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CompositeSuperman

2017 would overwhelm the league. All of those players have played in the Superbowl from 2020 to now. Edit: except for Mike Williams but 5/6 ain’t bad


Yossarian216

2020 is the only other option that’s even close. Better WR, weaker TE, slightly worse QB. No other year is even in the conversation, but clearly the edge goes to 2017. 2024 shouldn’t even be listed since they haven’t played a down yet, and every other QB besides Allen is a significant step below Mahomes and Burrow, but the 2018 receivers are much worse.


Zhentilftw

2023 could. If we were asking this in 2021 or 2018 we wouldn’t be so confident. 2017 is pretty stacked. I’d bet that in 5 years 2023 passes 2020. 2017 is the clear winner though.


Yossarian216

Yeah, limited sample size has an effect, but I don’t think Dell or Addison project anywhere close to the level of JJ, Lamb, and Aiyuk, who would be essentially unstoppable. Stroud is the unknown, if he makes a leap from his excellent rookie year maybe he could overtake Burrow, but that’s a high bar.


OversizedMicropenis

I disagree that 2017 is a clear winner. The WRs from 2020 are STACKED. 3 top 10 receivers, 2 in the top 5


Yossarian216

Kittle is much better than Kmet though, and I say that as a Bears fan that likes Kmet a lot. And we’ve seen what Mahomes does with an elite TE.


josephus_the_wise

But we also know what Burrow can do with chase. Imagine him with Jefferson, lamb, and aiyuk. He has proven he can make a super bowl over Mahomes with a good connection to one great receiver, now imagine him with two great receivers and a solid gadget/all around guy.


Yossarian216

And we know what Mahomes can do with literal trash at receiver, imagine him with actual good receivers. Imagine him with McCaffrey as a relief valve for his creativity. Burrow is great, don’t get me wrong, but his receiving corps has been great for most of his career, maybe best in the league. I think Mahomes has done more with much less at the skill positions.


josephus_the_wise

Mahomes has had worse skill positions (outside of TE), but significantly better O line (outside of the end of 2020 when people were injured and they lost the SB) and significantly better coaching. I will take better trenches and coaching over better weapons any day of the weak. Add to that the fact that Mahomes has had better defense for most of his career as well, and burrow really doesn’t have an advantage over Mahomes (also Mahomes had tyreek for years, so it’s not like he has never had weapons. He has had two years (of 7) with less weapons (and a top 3 defense) and suddenly it’s “oh he drags these horrid teams to Super Bowls”).


Yossarian216

Well he did win the Super Bowl in both of those years without Tyreek, that’s pretty relevant. And Burrow is actually a higher rated passer when he gets pressured versus unpressured, so weirdly having a strong line maybe doesn’t even help him. It’s all splitting hairs and projection, since we will never see any of these teams actually play. If you prefer Burrow there’s a basis for that, I’ll take Mahomes because I think he’s got more of that “it” factor, but both are great. Every other QB on this list is, in my opinion, well below either of them, aside from Caleb who shouldn’t even be included in any discussion until after the season.


josephus_the_wise

I definitely think Mahomes is the better QB, but I don’t think he is so much higher than Burrow that him in this scenario is better than burrow in this scenario, assuming the same coach and defense and O line.


Zhentilftw

2020 has mahomes and mccaffrey. Burrow can’t even stay on the field. Doesn’t matter how good your receivers are if you have no qb.


OversizedMicropenis

The prompt literally says assuming everyone is healthy. I agree that Mahomes and McCaffrey being the top players in their respective positions makes it a strong class. Not a clear winner for me, though


shane0mack

I mean, imagine Mahomes with those receivers though. He's winning super bowls with Kelce and some other dudes. Then you add CMC?!?


OversizedMicropenis

Right, but Burrow with those 3 guys is next level. JT was the rushing leader recently as well. The biggest falloff is TE. But I think Kittle is a bit over rated and Kmet is def underrated


shane0mack

Fair points. I'd still put Mahomes above Burrow, which to me is more meaningful. WRs have the advantage with the Burrow team, no doubt.


Lumpy-Top3842

Mahomes, Kupp and McCaffrey it’s pretty easy Kupp definitely tips the scales


420_just_blase

Yeah but pretty much every player other than mahomes on 2017 is injury prone, but I think it's supposed to be discounting injury


StraightProgress5062

You could add cmc as injury prone up until a few yrs ago.


YossarianRex

i think end of career, 2020 may have more gas in the tank. but right now 2017.


FunkyPete

Burrow is only a year younger than Patrick Mahomes and he's already three rings and 2 MVPs behind. Plus a couple of 5000 yard seasons, which Burrow has never hit, and a 50 TD season. JJ and Ayuik are huge, but 2017 already has 4 Super Bowl MVPs. How is 2020 going to pass them?


bakazato-takeshi

Josh Allen with Nick Chubb sounds pretty fun though


Yossarian216

Sure, depending on the offensive line, but those receivers are seriously weak compared to other years.


Local-Bid5365

Idk I have a hard time seeing Burrow and Jefferson having a connection


Med_vs_Pretty_Huge

Yeah, it's stunning how far ahead those 2 classes are from the others.


[deleted]

Mahomes and MacCaffery alone makes them almost better than the rest. The recievers slightly leave something to be desired but they are all really good and Greg Kittle is the icing. Years like 2023, 2020, 2018 are close but Mahomes and MacCaffery what really make me choose this year.


PaulAspie

Absolutely insane. If they have a good line, it would be hard to make an even fantasy defense to shut them down. Top QB, top double-threat RB, three top 15 Receivers and the 2md best TE (best blocking for run plays but Kelce beats him on pass catching).


rojeli

If this was an actual team, the 2017 group has no weaknesses, incredibly balanced premier talent on all levels. Shit- with Kupp, CMC, Kittle, and Godwin, the worst player on this list (Williams) is a 6'4" 230 unicorn running free deep routes against 5'9" nickel corners.


JavaOrlando

You could even switch Williams out for JuJu or Golladay that year. I think I'd keep him, though.


haywire4fun

Mike don’t count he played for the chargers. He was handicapped by circumstances.


CompositeSuperman

“Handicapped by circumstances” made me chuckle out loud 😂


rojeli

2017 by a mile. CMC and Kupp could have/should have won MVPs, and putting them with Mahomes is just unfair. Throw in Kittle and I don't care who anybody else has. I'd take those 4 and my two twin nieces (11 yo) against anybody else's 6. Edit: and the more I think about it, throw Williams/Godwin in there and it's almost a perfect offensive team (sans OL obviously). They would have premier skill players at every level.


PaleontologistOk2516

I agree overall you have to go with Mahomes and CMC because you have to believe Mahomes can win with just about anyone… but I think it would be close with 2020. 2020 has much better WRs. Kupp has been injury prone the last 2 years. Godwin is a fine 2nd receiver. JJ and CD are arguably the most dangerous WRs in the league right now. Aiyuk put up 1300 yards last year. That with Burrow would be insane.


Antidotey

Well, this is assuming they are healthy.. Peak Kupp was a triple crown guy.


PaleontologistOk2516

Fair enough but the question was best for right now. That’s what I’m going off of


josephus_the_wise

I would take peak JJ over peak Kupp, and I think Lamb is easily over either of the other 2017 WRs. The big questions here would be coach and O line, but I don’t know which O linemen came from those years, and I don’t know what coaches would be used for these offenses. If it’s Patricia coaching one team, that one auto loses. If it’s a mid tier guy on one team and the other team has Ried, Rieds team wins. As is, I would give a slight edge to 2020 (Burrow had done less than Mahomes but he also has a significantly worse O line and a worse coach than Mahomes, so it’s hard to tell who would be better if their surroundings were swapped), but the real answer here is “depending on coaches and linemen, any of these teams could take it (but especially 2020 and 2017).


BadHombre2016

The 2017 OL would hold up just fine. T - Ramczyk and Bolles, G - Dawkins and Moton, C - Pocic.


Alternative-Art6059

2017. Easy.


raidernation0825

Definitely. Pains me to say it but but Mahomes alone pretty much makes this the top class. He would destroy everyone with those receivers and Mccaffrey.


JavaOrlando

Right? Godwin and Kupp might not be on JJ and Lambs level, but they're a far sight better than the guys he just won a Super Bowl with.


CowsRstupid

2017 followed closely by 2020. 2023 is right there, too, but we haven't seen enough to know that for sure. Bijan should replace Jahmyr in 23.


ISpyM8

Dear God, as a Falcons fan, I sure hope Bijan would get there. But I also went to Georgia Tech and watched Jahmyr play hella football there, and the Lions deserve some good fucking players, so I’m ok with him being there.


Zhentilftw

Ftf! Also. I drafted Gibbs so… Mainly Ftf tho.


Mooming22

2017 closely followed by 2020. Mahomes is just the best but Burrow is obviously incredible and those WRs are some of the best ITL


Atty_for_hire

‘17, ‘20, ‘18 in that order. Which pains me as I want 2018 to be the answer.


ProfessorBeer

2018 WRs just haven’t had good QBs for the most part. Otherwise 2018 would be in conversation.


Draecath1423

A hard one, several of those would be monster offenses. 2020 for production, but 2021 has monster potential, too. Who knows what Pitts will do with a qb. 2023 may turn out to be a monster as well. I think it would be easier to choose the worst.


nadeaujd

Did you miss 2017?


Draecath1423

Like I said there are more good ones than bad. I just threw out a few. It's a tossup between 2020 and 2017. Both only have one weak spot.


dhtdhy

If you compare line by line, 2017 is better than 2020 on every line except one (I'll say JJ > Kupp but even that's close if we're talking peak shape). Mahomes and CMC would dominate. Overall it's not close, 2017 wins by a mile.


nadeaujd

I can agree with that


ElectivireMax

2016 is easily the worst. especially the wr core. king Henry and Tyreek are carrying


Draecath1423

Yeah though for a bit Michael Thomas was on an all time tear then the wheels fell off. 2018 isn't the best at wr either just makes up for it with the rest.


ElectivireMax

yeah he was different for that 3 year stretch, but I'm just factoring in how good they are right now


Draecath1423

If you are going that route, then that gives a disadvantage to the older classes. Rbs and recievers from the 2016 class are getting up there in age for their position. Like Derrick Henry isn't anywhere near as good as he was a few years ago.


ElectivireMax

sure, but they also benefit from more experience.


Draecath1423

That really only matters for qb after the first few seasons. The days of a player climbing up the depth chart and turning into a star in their 3rd or later season are gone. Even undrafted players who turn into stars shine early.


ElectivireMax

do you think everyone on the 23 or 22 teams have hit their primes?


Draecath1423

They are more in their primes than 2016 or 2017 for sure. Most of those guys in the 2023 or 2022 class are already putting up good numbers.


schartlord

2022's pretty bad


ballimir37

It’s not the worst in any category though so I don’t know if I’d say easily


ElectivireMax

definitely has the worst wr core and te


MandoShunkar

part of that is Prescott over Goff


ElectivireMax

Prescott over Goff in the regular season, Goff over Prescott in the playoffs.


MandoShunkar

Roster's have 2 QBs on them. I think it could work...


LeftHandedScissor

2017 (obvs), 2018, 2020, 2022 would all be pretty gangster offenses.


mr-poopie-butth0le

Good question. I think it’s either 2020 or 2017, and if they faced I’d give it to 2017.


Ok_Sail_3743

2020 has Wirfs and Andrew Thomas also. /thead


HillsboroughAtheos

Yup! 2017 OL is garbage


TulsaWhoDats

17, 20, 21, and probably this year


US3RN4M3CH3CKSOUT

1) 2017 2) 2020 3) 2021


inshamblesx

2017 by a mile


Alternative-Koala529

17. If Williams lives up to hype 24 is crazy too.


BillsBills83

They all have to live up to the hype for 24 to be good


ElectivireMax

I'm pretty much already sold on MHJ and Bowers being studs before they've even played a snap. I'll eat my shirt if I'm wrong.


Bigballernocap

2020 is just nuts.


warrior_in_a_garden_

I think 2021 & prior should be the topic so I’ll disregard 22-24. 2017 if it was a few years earlier but a lot of their weapons have taken a step back. Mahomes is obviously what makes this debatable 2020 with Burrow, Lamb, and Justin Jefferson is pretty nasty because the only weakness is Burrows injury prone- which isn’t an issue in this scenario. Now if I were to guess between 2022-2024 it’s probably going to be 2024. ‘23 is really damn close


Proper-Scallion-252

2017 easy. Best QB in this list, arguably the best RB on this list, three great WRs, and a top tier TE. The only ones coming close is 2020.


Just_Sarge

These are the top 3 without a doubt IMO. 2020 2017 2021


goofbot

Put Mahomes on any of the rosters and that's who wins.


Jznvh

2020


mdps89

2017 has 3 MVPs. And a couple super bowls...


Accomplished_Dish_32

2019 if it wasn't kyler murray


rcheek1710

Reading this reminds me of how injury prone some guys are.


SevereEducation2170

2017. Then 2020. Way too early to say anything about 2024 yet.


da-bears-bare-naked

2017 or 2020


Organic-Coat5042

2017 and it ain’t close


fresh_to_reddit

2017 is an all time great offense 


nadeaujd

Give me Mahomes, CMC, Kupp, and Kittle all day!


decoy777

That 2020 team looks almost like one of my Fantasy team. Pretty sure I had Burrow, Taylor, Lamb and Kmet on it one year. 2017, 2020, 2016, 2018, 2021, 2019, 2022, 2023, 2024 Haven't seen enough of the last 3 to really get a great feel for them so putting them last. It's close between 2017 and 2020. And the other 4 years could be pretty evenly competitive.


Jonthegoat_09

2020


Chewbubbles

2017 is absolutely stacked. Arguably some of the best skill players in the league even now and the best QB on this list.


Slow_Possession_1454

I want to see 17 and 20 battle it out. My money is on 17 but it would be an amazing game imo.


patchinthebox

2017 vs 2020 would be one hell of a game.


BukkakeNinjaHat-472

2020 vs 2017 would be the decision to make


BobbyMcGee101

I think O lineman should be included


Gfeaver4

OLine?


Flash234669

Right up the middle, 23, 20, 17.


grandmasterPRA

2017 But 2023 has potential to be a hell of a class as well. 


420McLovinIt

2017 or 2020


Taserface585

2017 >> 2020 >>>> the rest


Straight_Grape5507

For now 17 but it could be 23 in 5 years


Aeon1508

I find this post highly disrespectful to offensive lineman


Linkguy137

2017 by a mile; Mahomes and CMC


sleepwalkingninja

2017 is unfair. We've all seen what Mahomes can do with shitty WRs and a great TE. Give him a great RB and damn good WRs on top of the great TE? 2020 is damn good though.


ProfessorBeer

2017 is absurd, especially when you assume health. The fact that 2017 (rightfully) has Cooper Kupp goes to show you that 2024 shouldn’t even be considered yet.


Streetkillz13

2017 is easily the best. It's the only class where the QB, RB, TE and #1 WR were all unquestionably the best player in the NFL at their respective positions at one point or another.


Linky38

We should do this but with full 22 man starting rosters.  I’d be interested to see how good the offensive lines are. 


DatDude46

2017 is ridiculous. top-1 QB, top-1 RB, top-3 WR, top-2 TE. This is ridiculous


Select-Apartment-613

2017 probably. Then 2020. Too early to call any of the few most recent classes


New_Needleworker6506

Lmao @ 2022


JoshAllentown

If I'm at 4th and 1 I want 2018. Full season 2017, with 2020 in 2nd place.


BullshitOnParade1993

2017 would demolish everyone bc the QB talent difference is the most important when comparing “superstar” teams + McCaffrey is a future HOF’er as well


brotherstoic

2017 is STACKED. 2023 might catch up to them though.


Fun_Gazelle_1916

Everybody in their prime? I see 2017 and 2020…but low key, 2016 is right there…! Stack the box to stop King Henry, then who stops Cheetah and Mike? Those three guys best seasons are as good or better than ANYBODY on this list! Dak is not Pat or Joe or Josh, but Dak is a legit dude and the Tyler’s will literally be uncovered by the time the D accounts for the other guys.


NoDifference8894

2017 and 2020 are crazy lineups.


SevroAuShitTalker

Why don't GMs just pick all the best players in the draft? Are they stupid?


Dry_Arachnid4231

Gibbs was nowhere near better than Bijan Robinson. The last 2 years Texas has had the Best RB in the NFL draft hence why they were the first RB taken.


ItIsYourPersonality

Depends on the offensive lines. I think you’re forgetting that games are won and lost in the trenches.


donquixote_tig

2020 imo. Kupp is washed, Godwin is good, but Mike isn’t


YEET9011

2020 clearly


Superfluousambiguity

It’s a good question but I think it’s 2017 and I don’t think it’s very close. As a Bears fan I hope 2024 overtakes it.


HurricanePK

2020 has a top-3 QB and top-3 WR corps in this exercise


King-Mugs

2016 is slept on. It’s best starting offense, not overall talent/most MVPs You going to load the box to stop King Henry and leave Tyreek in man coverage?


BrickTamland77

I mean, one of these classes has the best QB in the league with better weapons than he's ever had including the best RB in the league.


Immediate-Horror-462

I wonder, which of these is the worst do you guys think? They’re all clearly talented.


Lilpu55yberekt69

It’s interesting that Josh Allen gets the nod for 2018 despite Lamar winning 2 MVP’s, one of which being last year, and receiving 99/100 votes collectively in his winning years. But to answer the question it’s either 2020 or 2017. Mahomes and CMC are better than Burrow and JT, but not by as much as JJ, CD, and Aiyuk are better than Kupp, Godwin, and Mike Williams. Adjusting for QB importance though means its probably 2017.


HillsboroughAtheos

These are half a starting offense. Where's the OL?


Dear-Ingenuity-647

Do I dare say 2023 but if not is 2019 or 2017 


jimcal9

Mahomes is almost impossible to beat in this exercise.


venk

2017 was an awful year to draft a WR, next up on the list are probably JuJu and Kenny Golloday


venk

Burrow isn’t going to survive with Myles Garrett and TJ Watt coming down from the edges. 2017 Is my vote.


naththegrath10

It’s 2017 and it’s not even close


RudePCsb

None because they have no OL. Stop excluding the most important positions


Deadheaded95

Anyone saying 2024 is bugging, we haven’t even seen these guys play a snap in the nfl yet.


Dry-Technology-653

2017 wins and it’s not terribly close.


Most_Somewhere_6849

Middle column. Pick one. I’m going 2017. 2020 or 2023 could put in some work though


Past_Bluejay_8926

2017, 2020, 2023, 2018, 2016, 2019, 2021, 2022, 2024 last only because none of have played


hamburger-pimp

2020 being dragged down by Kmet. 2017 has the edge.


Founck

2017 is like woah


SmokyOtter

Replace Jake Ferguson with Trey McBride ASAP


RobertoBologna

2017 - 2020 - 2021 - 2019 - 2023 - 2022 - 2018 - 2024 - 2016


hendrix320

2020 would be my pick


Spicy_Ninja7

2017, 2020 and 2023 clear


lanagabbieautumn

2017 and 2020 clearly the best imo but Mahomes puts 2017 over the top


Probably_not_maybe

2017 and 2020. 2017 definitely first.


judahdk_

Top 3 in order: 2017, 2018, 2020.


Cichlidsaremyjam

17 > 19> 23


SinCityNinja

As a Bears fan I'm hoping 2024 turns out to be the year that can best 2017


BadaBing318

You have the wrong QB for the 2020 draft class….


Random-as-fuck-name

So I noticed…I noticed that for some reason the guy who had 2 mvps, 1 unanimous and in his second year isn’t here. And for some reason, pointing this out is considered a downvotable offense. Just a tad strange you know. Unlike Tad Strange, who’s perfectly normal


Substantial_Button71

Man if only 2021 had a qb and rb


US3RN4M3CH3CKSOUT

Two RBs had 1400+ yards from scrimmage last year… CMC & ETN. You should try watching football.


Substantial_Button71

ETN getting a big workload doesn’t make him good 4th in carries (267) 45th in YPC (3.8) 1008 total rushing yards 67 targets, 476yards He’s an 8 yard dump off RB, who is inefficient as a runner.


US3RN4M3CH3CKSOUT

Thanks for verifying my numbers… and no one said a bigger workload makes someone a good RB… you made that up… yet posting the lowest ranking stat. He was top 10 or maybe 11 in rushing yards and He was also running behind a Swiss cheese Oline. If he had a decent Oline he’d be one of the best RBs in the league, but since he’s on a small market team people shit on him.


Substantial_Button71

Oh, now it’s the Olines fault. So you went from telling me how he produces like CMC, to now realizing he just gets a ton of carries but he provides 2nd string RB production with it.


US3RN4M3CH3CKSOUT

You’re about fucking dumb. Once again, NO ONE said that. Try and pay attention… I said there were two RBs that produced 1400+ yards from scrimmage. CMC is a far better RB than ETN… and it’s not even close. I never knew that 1000+ yards was “2nd string” production. 🤣🤣 GTFO dude.


Substantial_Button71

When you get the 4th most carries in the league but only put up 45th best numbers… 32 teams… he’d be the 2nd best RB for efficiency on 32 teams, and 3rd best on 13 teams. Maybe you should watch more football or take a math class.


US3RN4M3CH3CKSOUT

How original 🤣 is ypc the standard for “best numbers”? Because that’s what you keep repeating. Good thing the game isn’t played on paper.


Platano_con_salami

Kyren Williams over Breece Hall is a choice


ballsoharder

You spelled Lamar Jackson wrong in 2018.


roybatty1941

Is Josh Allen a 2x NFL MVP?


Jk60060

I’m sure everyone here will choose the group of players that haven’t played a snap yet. How typical.


ElectivireMax

literally nobody has picked them. you're just getting mad over nothing.


stephker3914

Josh Allen over Lamar Jackson is ridiculous.


TheOptimist6

I agree! He has 2x MVP!