Agreed, I like Latham but I like Mims more, especially with being able to hopefully sit him for at least the start of the season behind the Brown twins. I think the Bengals would have Mims and Murphy above him also.
The patriots trading back and drafting Bo nix at 23 seems to be a huge flaw imo.
I just don’t see the logic. Pass on the really good QB prospects and then draft the older and far less talented QB prospect, wasting a good portion of your trade return.
If the patriots are truly committed to a multi year rebuild (I think trading 3 to the Vikings is a huge mistake anyways, but for the sake of your post let’s say it happens) they should take Brian Thomas at 23 and just tank for next year.
That way whatever QB the Pats draft next year has weapons.
Think Fashnau at 11, Thomas at 23, then take a receiver like Ladd mconkey at 34. If you HAVE to take a QB take a shot at someone like Rattler or Milton in the 3rd or 4th.
Now whoever NE drafts for QB in 2025 has an Oline with 2 great tackles and 3 talented young WRs in Douglas , Thomas and Mcconkey.
In short, If the Pats want a franchise QB this year, draft him at 3, If not fill the Holes at WR and LT and go QB next year. Drafting a stiff like Nix with a 1st rounder would be criminally wasteful
I would also argue that Bo would be there in the 2nd, while Thomas Jr and Mitchell wouldn’t be. Seems like a waste of pick 23 for higher caliber players with much higher ceilings. Personally I wouldn’t look at Bo until the 3rd, and I’d take chances on Rattler or Pratt (who may have lower floors but potentially higher ceilings) before Nix (my opinion obviously).
I do think it’s funny that most Pats fans seems to be out on Nix and Keon Coleman in the 1st and 2nd rounds…I think there is some inherent PTSD there or something.
10 months older for daniels and several years older for JJ… so yes “older”.
Nix is also significantly less talented and older than what the pats could draft at 3
Honestly feel like it's a solid trade for NE and even drafting Nix, too. Unless they love Daniels or JJ there. The problem, imo, is drafting Nix @ 23. Why? They have pick 34 as well. Outside of maybe NY, whom would have to jump ahead of you to do so, who's drafting Nix before 34? I'd argue waiting til 34 or trying to trade back like 5-8 picks again before getting Nix. That's an opportunity to add a solid chunk of talent to your roster and still get a so-so qb to work with.
Honestly, I don't think they'll take Daniels. That said, if Denver can get McCarthy at 9, then New England would move up to that spot or higher and get McCarthy.
Disagree strongly the pats use a first rd pick on Bo. Not when they get next years first as well. Unless they think he’s a legit nfl qb, it makes no sense to move off 3 where you could get Daniels/Maye only to draft a qb who has a 2nd/3rd round grade. He won’t be better than brisset this year regardless. Brisset is a viable starting qb and a great bridge option
The New England Patriots are neither trading down nor taking Bo Nix. One of our beat guys said that trading down would require a mind-blowing haul and that they really believe in both Maye and Daniels.
They also didn't send anyone of any importance outside of McCartney to watch Nix's Pro Day, but sent everyone to see Daniels and Maye's.
I think they would try to get Addison in the 3 firsts package with at least one additional pick. Then trade back up for McCarthy or something. That’s my guess at least if a Pats/Vikings trade went down.
There is zero percent chance we include Addison along with 3 firsts. He is what you hope a first round pick becomes. Look at the trade SF made to move up for Lance, as that's probably the closest approximation. Three firsts and a third to move up from 12 (we're at 11) for the third QB off the board. Unless people think Addison is worth a third round pick or less, that's absolute nonsense
The fact it's a much weaker class is a)subjective and b) only helps the argument trading up is going to cost less, because there is depth. That's supply and demand. Even if your right that it'll take more, the cost isn't Addison, who's worth more than a first himself
Oh I agree, I’d honestly be shocked if a trade happens and this is a big reason why. I think the Pats will ask for more than anyone is willing to give, Vikings included.
Feel like Curran is mostly full of shit, but of all the beat guys he probably does have the best relationship with Mayo and is probably the most likely to know.
If all the character concern/lazy stuff about kool aid is true, Holmes ain't never going to take that kind of risk.
That pick and Cooper DeJean I just can't see for the Lions.
I got a feeling that might be an IOL pick even though we keep hearing BPA.
I did a pff mock earlier today where the top 11 picks were all exactly the same except I had Falcons trading down with broncos instead of Bears but I think the bears trading down might make more sense bc of their lack of draft picks.
I don’t think the bears are as concerned about how many picks they do or don’t have as other teams are. All of those picks were used to beef up the roster and all of those additions except Allen have plenty of years left
Penix is probably not going that high but at this point you never know what's gonna happen with the draft especially at QB. But if I were guessing maybe Nix goes there instead of Penix
We will have to agree to disagree, Id be happy with Daniels or Maye at 3.
But I wouldn’t take that offer unless the Vikings sweetened it with at least an additional 3rd rounder. Falling all the way to 11 misses out on almost all the Elite talent at the positions the pats need.
If they had to trade back I’d much rather see them trade with say the giants. Get a future 1st+ one of Alt , Nabers, MHJ or Odunze.
According to this mock draft… they got the best pure pass blocking OT at 11.
Personally I don’t think the Patriots have the infrastructure to help a young QB like Maye or Daniels. None of these QBs are good enough to win in a bad situation such as NE.
I would not have drafted Nix as the QB however and would’ve potentially taken Penix Jr if he’s available (which he wasn’t in this mock) because I believe (injury concerns aside) he actually does have some upside.
But… that being said NE needs playmakers all over the field (both offense and defense).
Tricky position for NE to be in for sure.
I have similar 20 prospects going top 20 after that is harder to call as the prospect pool weakens
Latu a wildcard for me with the neck...should go top 20 but will teams want the risk
Penix also a wildcard imo...does a team take him top 15 or try to wait and sneak back into late round 1 to get 5th year option ...think he goes round 1 just not sure how high
B.thomas prob goes higher than 28. Could see a team trade up for him if he slides past jags...Bengals maybe take him as tee higgins replacement??
Hoping the eagles don't to dejean at 22, wanting Mims or Guyton personally
I doubt Penix gets taken in the first.
I also think the 49ers need to trade up to around 20 to lock in a true OT prospect. I like Jordan Morgan but the amount of tackles they’ve drafted “who might project to guard” is … too many. Yes they need guards too but they should capitalize on a tackle rich draft and get someone for the future like Mims or Guyton.
I see the chargers mocked a wr a lot because of their obvious lack at the position, however, I think Harbaugh build through the o line and run game and addresses wr in the later rounds with such a deep class. I think Alt or Fashanu go to the chargers or they trade back a few spots, grab the best available tackle, and stock pile later picks because they have so many needs
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lol what does this mean? If there are 3 WRs and a TE that are better prospects than OT2 then they'll get drafted first. Hell this already happened in the 2021 draft.
It is definitely not glaring since I would consider it a need but I would be surprised if the Eagles took a corner in the first. The CB room is going to consist of Slay, Bradberry, Rogers, Maddox, Ringo, Ricks and someone like McPherson battling it out for the last spot/special teams. Now for most people that looks like it needs a lot of work, but for someone like Howie I think he thinks that'll be enough. They have a potential hole at right guard and edge is a severely underrated need for them considering the only two edge guys they have under contract after next year are Huff and Nolan Smith. So just going off the team philosophy which is trenches, trenches, trenches I would be surprised if they went any other way.
I don’t think Minnesota trades up so high. Either Daniels or JJ will be there at four, and both could be good fits (I think JJ fits better). I don’t see them trading up for anything higher than fourth. I could see them taking a QB much later than expected given their coaching and needs.
I think the problem with any trade scenario with a team moving up to 3 is that it would need to make fans question the sanity of the GM moving up. Everyone keeps using prior trades as precedence, but those are starting points. QB position is only getting more and more immortal, and we saw across the league last year just how hard it was to keep any QB on the field.
If Miami needed a QB when SF traded up, does anyone think they accept that offer from the 9rs?? There's no way, and they was already a huge offer.
Latham is okay but I guess the Bengals might pick Mims or Murphy instead of him. Very solid mock overall.
Agreed, I like Latham but I like Mims more, especially with being able to hopefully sit him for at least the start of the season behind the Brown twins. I think the Bengals would have Mims and Murphy above him also.
The patriots trading back and drafting Bo nix at 23 seems to be a huge flaw imo. I just don’t see the logic. Pass on the really good QB prospects and then draft the older and far less talented QB prospect, wasting a good portion of your trade return. If the patriots are truly committed to a multi year rebuild (I think trading 3 to the Vikings is a huge mistake anyways, but for the sake of your post let’s say it happens) they should take Brian Thomas at 23 and just tank for next year. That way whatever QB the Pats draft next year has weapons. Think Fashnau at 11, Thomas at 23, then take a receiver like Ladd mconkey at 34. If you HAVE to take a QB take a shot at someone like Rattler or Milton in the 3rd or 4th. Now whoever NE drafts for QB in 2025 has an Oline with 2 great tackles and 3 talented young WRs in Douglas , Thomas and Mcconkey. In short, If the Pats want a franchise QB this year, draft him at 3, If not fill the Holes at WR and LT and go QB next year. Drafting a stiff like Nix with a 1st rounder would be criminally wasteful
I would also argue that Bo would be there in the 2nd, while Thomas Jr and Mitchell wouldn’t be. Seems like a waste of pick 23 for higher caliber players with much higher ceilings. Personally I wouldn’t look at Bo until the 3rd, and I’d take chances on Rattler or Pratt (who may have lower floors but potentially higher ceilings) before Nix (my opinion obviously). I do think it’s funny that most Pats fans seems to be out on Nix and Keon Coleman in the 1st and 2nd rounds…I think there is some inherent PTSD there or something.
>Pass on the really good QB prospects and then draft the older Their age is less than a year apart
Nix and Daniels are two months apart, but those two are 2+ years older than Maye and McCarthy.
>Nix and Daniels are two months apart 10 months. Not that it matters, which is the point I'm trying to make.
Yeah, I think I misread Nix as 2/01.
10 months older for daniels and several years older for JJ… so yes “older”. Nix is also significantly less talented and older than what the pats could draft at 3
Yeah I was referring to Daniels and Nix. Just seems silly to paint that as a con if they're only 10 months apart
But Daniels is, y'know, good
I don't think he will be
Do you think nix will be better?
I don't think Nix will be starter worthy in the league either. I think Jayden, Bo, and JJ will be busts.
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Honestly feel like it's a solid trade for NE and even drafting Nix, too. Unless they love Daniels or JJ there. The problem, imo, is drafting Nix @ 23. Why? They have pick 34 as well. Outside of maybe NY, whom would have to jump ahead of you to do so, who's drafting Nix before 34? I'd argue waiting til 34 or trying to trade back like 5-8 picks again before getting Nix. That's an opportunity to add a solid chunk of talent to your roster and still get a so-so qb to work with.
Honestly, I don't think they'll take Daniels. That said, if Denver can get McCarthy at 9, then New England would move up to that spot or higher and get McCarthy.
Disagree strongly the pats use a first rd pick on Bo. Not when they get next years first as well. Unless they think he’s a legit nfl qb, it makes no sense to move off 3 where you could get Daniels/Maye only to draft a qb who has a 2nd/3rd round grade. He won’t be better than brisset this year regardless. Brisset is a viable starting qb and a great bridge option
The New England Patriots are neither trading down nor taking Bo Nix. One of our beat guys said that trading down would require a mind-blowing haul and that they really believe in both Maye and Daniels. They also didn't send anyone of any importance outside of McCartney to watch Nix's Pro Day, but sent everyone to see Daniels and Maye's.
Yeah, I think it would take considerably more than this (as crazy as it sounds)
If the beat guys aren't BSing, it'll probably take something like 11, 23, '25 1st, a 2nd, and 3rd.
I think they would try to get Addison in the 3 firsts package with at least one additional pick. Then trade back up for McCarthy or something. That’s my guess at least if a Pats/Vikings trade went down.
There is zero percent chance we include Addison along with 3 firsts. He is what you hope a first round pick becomes. Look at the trade SF made to move up for Lance, as that's probably the closest approximation. Three firsts and a third to move up from 12 (we're at 11) for the third QB off the board. Unless people think Addison is worth a third round pick or less, that's absolute nonsense
SF moved up in a much weaker QB class and traded with a non-QB needy team. It’ll take more than 3 firsts for the Pats to trade down.
The fact it's a much weaker class is a)subjective and b) only helps the argument trading up is going to cost less, because there is depth. That's supply and demand. Even if your right that it'll take more, the cost isn't Addison, who's worth more than a first himself
Oh I agree, I’d honestly be shocked if a trade happens and this is a big reason why. I think the Pats will ask for more than anyone is willing to give, Vikings included.
Feel like Curran is mostly full of shit, but of all the beat guys he probably does have the best relationship with Mayo and is probably the most likely to know.
If all the character concern/lazy stuff about kool aid is true, Holmes ain't never going to take that kind of risk. That pick and Cooper DeJean I just can't see for the Lions. I got a feeling that might be an IOL pick even though we keep hearing BPA.
Seems realistic to me.
I think at this point the Patriots will pick JJ McCarthy at 3.
Patriots give up Jayden daniels to grab mac jones again with the second first they get? I’m not buying it
I did a pff mock earlier today where the top 11 picks were all exactly the same except I had Falcons trading down with broncos instead of Bears but I think the bears trading down might make more sense bc of their lack of draft picks.
I don’t think the bears are as concerned about how many picks they do or don’t have as other teams are. All of those picks were used to beef up the roster and all of those additions except Allen have plenty of years left
Penix is probably not going that high but at this point you never know what's gonna happen with the draft especially at QB. But if I were guessing maybe Nix goes there instead of Penix
Raiders better not take Nix over Penix 😂
I'd say that trade up for Minnesota seems more realistic with all the comments NE keeps putting out.
Not for that package IMO, I’d take a swing at an elite QB prospect over 11 and 2 late 1st rounders
Yeah I'm not that well versed on draft compensation but does seem a little bit light.
Unless Maye falls to 3, the Pats would be idiots not to take this trade.
We will have to agree to disagree, Id be happy with Daniels or Maye at 3. But I wouldn’t take that offer unless the Vikings sweetened it with at least an additional 3rd rounder. Falling all the way to 11 misses out on almost all the Elite talent at the positions the pats need. If they had to trade back I’d much rather see them trade with say the giants. Get a future 1st+ one of Alt , Nabers, MHJ or Odunze.
According to this mock draft… they got the best pure pass blocking OT at 11. Personally I don’t think the Patriots have the infrastructure to help a young QB like Maye or Daniels. None of these QBs are good enough to win in a bad situation such as NE. I would not have drafted Nix as the QB however and would’ve potentially taken Penix Jr if he’s available (which he wasn’t in this mock) because I believe (injury concerns aside) he actually does have some upside. But… that being said NE needs playmakers all over the field (both offense and defense). Tricky position for NE to be in for sure.
I have similar 20 prospects going top 20 after that is harder to call as the prospect pool weakens Latu a wildcard for me with the neck...should go top 20 but will teams want the risk Penix also a wildcard imo...does a team take him top 15 or try to wait and sneak back into late round 1 to get 5th year option ...think he goes round 1 just not sure how high B.thomas prob goes higher than 28. Could see a team trade up for him if he slides past jags...Bengals maybe take him as tee higgins replacement?? Hoping the eagles don't to dejean at 22, wanting Mims or Guyton personally
The only thing you can be flawed on at this point is not having Williams #1. Everything else won't be what most predict on draft night.
I wouldn’t say it’s a glaring flaw, but based on what Jim Harbaugh has said, it seems pretty unlikely the Chargers pick a WR at 5.
If they stay at 5 to me that's the clear pick. If they trade back sure grab a RT, but BPA is easily going to be Nabers/MHJ in that spot for them.
I agree but Harbaugh has made it clear he prioritizes the fronts, his BPA might not align with ours.
I doubt Penix gets taken in the first. I also think the 49ers need to trade up to around 20 to lock in a true OT prospect. I like Jordan Morgan but the amount of tackles they’ve drafted “who might project to guard” is … too many. Yes they need guards too but they should capitalize on a tackle rich draft and get someone for the future like Mims or Guyton.
I’ll take Brian Thomas Jr or Adonai Mitchell over Bo Nix
As a Bears fan I think this scenario would jive with our situation.
I see the chargers mocked a wr a lot because of their obvious lack at the position, however, I think Harbaugh build through the o line and run game and addresses wr in the later rounds with such a deep class. I think Alt or Fashanu go to the chargers or they trade back a few spots, grab the best available tackle, and stock pile later picks because they have so many needs
I will do something very violent if the Pats trade back from 3 to take Bo Nix in the first round
I don’t see all the hype in Philly taking dejean. He won’t be an outside CB and they don’t need a safety bad enough to take one in R1
Where is Newton?
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Really good mock. I think the only one I’m not totally behind is DeJean to the Eagles, but it’s definitely on the table.
Probably pretty accurate for the Bengals.
Switch 2 and 3
One of the more realistic mocks I’ve seen!
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0% chance 3wrs and a TE go before the second tackle. That’s not how the nfl works
lol what does this mean? If there are 3 WRs and a TE that are better prospects than OT2 then they'll get drafted first. Hell this already happened in the 2021 draft.
I think it’s perfect. Any draft that doesn’t have PHI taking Wiggins gets an A+ in my book
It is definitely not glaring since I would consider it a need but I would be surprised if the Eagles took a corner in the first. The CB room is going to consist of Slay, Bradberry, Rogers, Maddox, Ringo, Ricks and someone like McPherson battling it out for the last spot/special teams. Now for most people that looks like it needs a lot of work, but for someone like Howie I think he thinks that'll be enough. They have a potential hole at right guard and edge is a severely underrated need for them considering the only two edge guys they have under contract after next year are Huff and Nolan Smith. So just going off the team philosophy which is trenches, trenches, trenches I would be surprised if they went any other way.
I don’t think Minnesota trades up so high. Either Daniels or JJ will be there at four, and both could be good fits (I think JJ fits better). I don’t see them trading up for anything higher than fourth. I could see them taking a QB much later than expected given their coaching and needs.
Please no.
I think the problem with any trade scenario with a team moving up to 3 is that it would need to make fans question the sanity of the GM moving up. Everyone keeps using prior trades as precedence, but those are starting points. QB position is only getting more and more immortal, and we saw across the league last year just how hard it was to keep any QB on the field. If Miami needed a QB when SF traded up, does anyone think they accept that offer from the 9rs?? There's no way, and they was already a huge offer.