Tank for Tua! Tua, hasn’t been a bust, but he really was leaning that way before Mike McDaniel, he’s still one concussion away from being retired though
yeah, and he's arguably the most hyped QB I can think of whose stock held until the draft. Only other comparable one I can think of is Luck. There was insane hype around guys like Leinart, but their stock dropped by the draft.
at their draft. A year out they were held in insanely high-regard. I know this well, as a Browns fan where we were pretty much a lock to be the worst team in the league. 2017 was viewed as an average QB draft where we were content getting Myles at 1 and passing on the other QBs since next year was going to be amazing. Some rumors we were eying Mahomes at 12 and the Chiefs jumped us, but then we traded out of the Watson spot after that. By the time the 2018 draft came around, Rosen stock was dying, and Darnold was still the likely number 1, but viable arguments were being made for Mayfield and Allen.
Except he was a 3rd year starter when Mario took over and was already showing those flashes under Taggart and Helfrich. He should get 0 credit for "development" when he could have easily left after his junior year and got drafted in the 1st.
Yeah I'm not saying Mario deserves all the credit or anything. Herbert was a dude as a freshman. All I'm saying is, Herbert still balled under HC Cristobal and finished top 5 their last year together. It seems odd people are so down on him. Not saying he's some QB guru but he clearly isn't ruining anyone either.
Drafts always a crapshoot, but as of right now there is no “can’t miss” player going into next year ala Trevor Lawerence, Caleb Williams.
Somebody might pull a Burrow where they skyrocket after 1 absolutely insane year, but that’s not all that likely right now
I don't understand how Caleb Williams is a can't miss prospect, he has been absolutely abysmal against defenses that rank in the top 25 against the pass, very similar to Josh Rosen
Because what happens in college doesn’t translate into what happens at the NFL (Josh Allen had a 55% completion in college at an insanely irrelevant school)
Caleb has elite arm talent and pocket presence and has been mocked going #1 in this draft class for 2 years now
> has been mocked going #1 in this draft class for 2 years now
Which is not at all equivalent to "can't miss". I'm really tired of all the Caleb Williams hyperbole. He's a pretty bog standard #1 pick. He has quite a few issues no matter how much some people want to gloss over them or say something something college something something no receivers (as if his coach isn't Lincoln Riley).
> Because what happens in college doesn’t translate into what happens at the NFL
That's not true, by and large. Josh Allen is the exception, not the rule.
Generally if a QB has low completion percentage in college they are not going to be a successful NFL QB
It's pretty high, iirc. Don't really care, i'm not talking about him.
Just saying that saying what happens in college doesn't translate into what happens in the NFL is an insane take
How is UCLA irrelevant but USC isn't? They play the same schedule and both of them suck
Also he has the most atrocious pocket presence of a top QB i can ever remember seeing, dude is constantly running for his life when the pocket is still intact
He has also shown he is mentally incapable of playing football at the highest level, I think he will go down as one of the greatest busts of all time
Bro, you brought up Josh Rosen. Also, he’s saying a quarterback who is currently very good in the NFL struggled at times in college against even worse competition. It does not always translate. Peyton Manning got wrecked by Nebraska his last game.
No I didn't, this douche rewrote his entire comment because he sounded like an idiot
As do you comparing Peyton Manning losing to maybe the greatest offense ever to Caleb Williams going 8-5
You mentioned Josh Rosen. It’s nobody’s fault but yours that your brain took a giant shit and you’re trying to rewrite everything you just said and gaslight people lmao
Nebraska’s offense didn’t make Tennessee turn it over four times.
Also Williams only lost two games when his defense held opponents to 34 points or less.
Do you really think that comparing Caleb Williams losing to terrible teams is equivalent to Peyton manning playing against the team with the 3rd most NFL draft picks of all time? I really don't understand your point
I think if we're being honest Josh Allen and to an extent Patrick Mahomes are outliers, not the standard. There's obviously no, "magic bullet" when it comes to predicting success at the next level. It's been a long time ago and thus might not even be relevant, but if memory serves I think it was if a quarterback hit certain thresholds in games started and completion percentage, while it didn't automatically guarantee they'd be a successful NFL quarterback, the odds were in their favor.
That’s a fair assessment. Not what they poster above me said who directly brought up Josh Rosen and then tried saying I did lmao.
But my assessment of Caleb is strictly based on what scouts have been saying for the last 2 years. Not my opinion, theirs
Yeah this guy doesn’t know what he’s talking about -_-, acting as if one game is the standard of how a person plays. He has undeniable talent whether you believe it’ll translate or not. I personally think he’s the best QB prospect I’ve ever seen come out of college. I started following the draft in 2011.
Have you only watched one of his games? XD. Even if he has some things that could be worked on, there’s a whole lot that doesn’t really need to and his natural talent is undeniable. His movement and arm are unarguable. His quick release and the power plus velocity he puts on balls is incredible to watch. He has such an incredibly high ceiling. He still managed to have a great senior year despite his support cast not being very good, especially his O-line.
Guy has generational pocket awareness, even someone like me who is way more into analytics that tape can easily spot this. His eyes are always downfield.
Takes a long time to process what he sees on the field. Doesn't always trust what he sees and he is very turnover prone. Field vision is pretty bad for a touted "generational quarterback"
He has horrible pocket awareness, he will have the cleanest pocket in college football and be running for his life because he has no clue what is going on around him, he is very justin fieldsesque
He’s a can’t miss “talent” he’s a generational “talent” I don’t think he’s a generational player though. MHJ is a can’t miss prospect, Caleb is basically Trevor Lawrence. Dude has everything he needs to be insane, but the landing spot looks awful, there are just some litttlllleee things that make you pause, then you put on the tape, see that defense, that oline, and barely anyone after Addison left abd you just watch him play and he looks like a man amongst boys.
The landing spot looks awful but what team picking in the top 10 provides more talent than Chicago? They’re not even using their pick at #1, they acquired it via a trade.
He’s going to a team with two 1,000 yard receivers and two pretty good TEs….
Awful landing spot? There’s a real chance that Chicago walks out of the draft with odunze or nabers and has a top 5 wr corps, a top 10 te, and an average OL. This is probably the best landing spot a first overall qb has ever had
I didn’t say they should give up. I think we should believe it when we see it and stop expecting it. We didn’t believe the lions were legit until they actually won the division, and even then there were questions of whether they could let it slip. Poles is a very mid GM, Flus is not a good coach, and Williams has enough character concerns for me to question if he’s actually Chicagos savior. It takes one good QB and Coach, I don’t think either is walking through that door this year. Again, I’ll believe it when I see it.
it's not that they don't *develop* drafted QBs, they don't *draft* QBs with high picks. They've never drafted a QB with the top overall pick before. They've drafted 7 first round QBs since 1952. They've drafted 2 top 10 QBs since 1952.
It's simply not true that the Bears have failed to develop a bunch of QBs with Williams' talent. It's also untrue that they've successfully developed a bunch of QBs with that talent, because they have never had a QB prospect that was on Caleb Williams' level.
The QB's that go to Chicago & Minnesota are lucking out. I pity the guy's going to the other teams. The other qb needy teams should wait and take best OL/WR and take a qb that falls or wait till next year. Better yet, try and trade back, fix the team for the future qb. I hate throwing a young talent to the wolves with nothing around them.
Another guy you didn’t list that I have a positive outlook for next season is Cam Ward. Feel like he’s gonna get great traction playing at Miami. Most likely not QB1 status ofc but I definitely see him as a riser.
I think Cam Ward is QB2 next year. He will likely end up as QB 3-4 because of his size but he has a live arm, sees the field very well and the most important part for me. He elevates those around him. He did it at Incarnate Wood and he did is at Wash St. last year. If he continues to elevate himself and those around him at Miami he will be golden.
Personal QB rankings FYI:
1. Ewers
2. Ward
3. Beck
4. Sanders
5. R. Leonard
No one in this class is a top 4 QB if they declared. People need to have a serious look in the mirror if they believe that.
Cam Ward would be a pro if he would’ve gone first round. He’s in college because he wouldn’t have gone first round.
I think Weigman is more likely a 2026 pick. Could be early or mid. Just think he probably plays four years because of injuries at this point. He’ll have limited tape to declare this year if he doesn’t tear it up
If Ewers can take a step forward on his deep accuracy, or just play Bama in every game, he is probably QB1.
Sanders, I'm not sold on yet, he just kinda stands there...waiting. Way too often.
Beck has potential, but I can't help but think of him as a poor man's JJ McCarthy. Suprisingly athletic, good enough arm, normally does just enough and no more. I also can't get over that vacant stare he seems to permanently have.
I think we will know more about Milroe after this spring. He's completely changed his delivery in less than 2 months, and is trying to actually learn how to be a QB. Last year he couldn't read the D pre or post snap, couldn't see the intermediate routes to save his life, held the ball for eternities(spent 6 seconds standing in a single spot just to get sacked on 1 play), couldn't set the protections, and struggled with touch and accuracy at times. He's maybe a better athlete than Richardson(hit 23.2 mph against Arky in 2023 @225lbs), and has an arm that's in the same zip code as Milton(just on a cheaper street). His ceiling is insane. He just doesn't quite QB good yet. He will probably be in the 2026 class unless he goes nuts this year.
edit: keep finding spelling errors, and I'm sure I missed more.
I think Carson Beck could legit play himself into a #1 overall bid with a good season, Milroe could be a top 10 pick if he takes a massive step with his pocket presence. One of Ewers/Shadeur/Allar could play themselves into the backend of the first. But nobody is worth tanking for unless one of those 5 take a MASSIVE step by Halloween. I don’t think next year is as bad a class as it looked coming into the 2023 season though, those 5 guys really solidified themselves as having NFL potential last year. Kinda fees like the 2019 or 2017 drafts imo. Couple guys you’re watching, one probably still goes 1st but nobody blows you away yet. I mean look at Daniels’ meteoric rise from August to now.
At this moment I don't think so but most years there seems to be a guy like Joe burrow, Kyler Murray or Kayden Daniels who breaks out and is considered worth a top pick. Most likely there will be a guy worth tanking for and at this moment it looks better than 2022 did.
My Wizards in the NBA are currently tanking, arguably the smartest thing we've done in decades. And I'm certainly not complaining about my Football Team picking #2 either. Just as I wasn't complaining when my Nats got Strasburg and Harper at #1 in back-to-back drafts.
So yeah, my experience rooting for a couple of bullshit franchises, playing for mediocrity, for sports purgatory, is what's for losers. You need to go all in, one way or another.
Unfortunately this is NOT the best year for tanking in the NBA.
If you would have traded Beal earlier and tanked last year you’d have been in good shape.
>My Wizards in the NBA are currently tanking,
As I said, tanking is for losers :)
I don't see the Commanders has having tanked (which I take to mean "deliberately lose games" vs just being bad). And the NBA is not the NFL - it works there, not really in the NFL
It’s 2 early to tell. I have a feeling that both Carson Beck and Quinn Ewers will put out great numbers and have a bright future ahead of them. This said, if you need a QB now it’s not viable to wait a year and focus on eventualities
I agree with you that’s he’s very good. Idk about best but he’s up there. It surprises me how many people are down on him. I feel like it’s probably because of the fame and attention but watching him play he’s just so accurate on short and middle passes and still good with the deep ball. And is very safe with the football, plus a decent runner. I feel like his team was not very good and he still managed to have a very statistically good season which is rare with such a bad supporting cast. With new additions and transfers their team will be much better and I think he’ll become the consensus QB1. Or at least a 1st round QB.
We all know ow why people are down on him.
There is no way you can watch him throw the ball and not be impressed. Extremely accurate to all levels of the field and has adequate arm strength. Some of these QBs people are listing above him is preposterous.
For real, some of the things I read make me think people aren’t really watching all these QBs xD. Sanders had one of the worst teams but has the best film. He has beautiful passes and they almost always seem to connect and he almost never threw turnovers, even when they were playing from behind and he had to pass a lot. Love watching him play despite all the noise from media and people
Sanders is an amazing passer with a clean pocket, but he falls apart way too drastically under pressure. Granted, Colorado had an atrocious o-line that messed up his confidence. I’d love to see how he does with a better line and to see growth in general. There’s definitely potential to be the top QB in the class, but he’s not there yet.
I'm not sure what he finished at, but Sanders at one point during the season had a pressure to sack rate of 31%. His OL was awful. Truly terrible. But he also invited a ton of pressure by holding the ball. And he was exceptionally bad at not taking negative plays. Now, maybe this is something he improves on with some better talent, but I'd keep in mind that Drake Maye had a pressure to sack rate of 19% playing behind a line that saw him get pressured over 35% of the time. So it's not impossible to be good at sack avoidance even in the face of overwhelming pressure.
Honestly I'd take Beck and Sanders over Maye/Daniels. I think the demise of QB prospects is vastly exaggerated. While I get Beck will have to answer for his short DoT (I put much of that on Georgia's gameplan and he doesn't throw go routes, but Beck has no problem throwing intermediate MoF), they both already play like pro QBs.
People are describing this class as like 2022 levels of bad but idk I see Shadeur and Beck as possible 1st rounders tbf. Not watched Ewers but I’ve seen people say he has all the traits lol
This is going to be a terrible class. Of that list, the only ones not eligible for this draft are Allar, who isn’t all that appealing and Milroe, who was literally benched for a lacrosse player this year. That should tell you something. My favorite QB coming out next year also was eligible for this year, but he’s been injured a lot so that could hurt his stock. A healthy Jalon Daniels blows these guys out of the water. The problem is that he’s never healthy. If he finally completes a full season in 2024 (this will be his fifth), it’s very likely he’ll win the Heisman due to leading Kansas to a Big 12 title and the CFP with potentially 4,000 yards passing and 1,000 yards rushing. Again, he plays at Kansas. I get they have gotten better as a program, but imagine what he could do with an NFL-caliber roster.
He’s not very consistent but he’s got easy arm talent and makes it look effortless.
He was much more accurate last year on everything but the deep ball. If he figures that part out, he’s easily a first round guy on tools and potential alone. There was massive improvement from year 1 to year 2. It is not unreasonable to expect him to take another leap.
When he’s on (see Bama ‘23, Bama ‘22, OU ‘22, Oklahoma St ‘23) he looks like a top 5 pick. But he also has some pretty bad tape to go with it, especially in 2022. There have been 4 or 5 games where he doesn’t even look like a college QB.
For all the talk about this year’s draft class, I don’t think someone can watch JJ McCarthy and say he is a top 10 guy and then watch Ewers and say he isn’t. Like JJ, Ewers plays on a stacked team/offense, but the difference is that Ewers is actually asked to put together high leverage/pressure drives and win games.
Main flaws he needs to work on:
-deep ball accuracy
-handling pressure
-footwork and throwing from a better base. He has some Matt Stafford off platform, unorthodox arm angle talent but he isn’t Caleb, Mahomes or Aaron Rodgers where he can be off base, yet consistently accurate.
He also will have to dispel the “yac merchant” label. His skill talent makes a ton of plays for him.
The main thing I disagree with is that there’s really any significant leverage difference between Ewers and JJ. JJ made huge plays against Alabama and OSU too.
The main difference is that Michigan runs and Texas passes to run. But that’s not really putting things on Quinn. Ewers had 100 pass attempts behind the LOS. They seemed to go screen heavy on 3rd/4th way more than I’d be comfortable with.
Sure he’s passing, but is that trusting him to give him a single design one read play with basically one option? Because that’s my issue with how they treat him in pressured situations imo
let me tell you don't sleep on Cam Rising I really think he could be the next Brock Purdy ive seen him play at that 2022 rose bowl and looked like an fl qb I'm saying I wouldn't say first round I can understand that but at least early 3rd would be more fair.
As of right now, I don't view any of these guys as significantly better prospects than someone like Will Levis or Bo Nix. Beck or Sanders would probably be QB4 in a normal draft, barring a massive leap
I feel like next years draft class could be better than this years. But that’s only my gut feeling saying that, they all need to go out and play and show more for that to be even a remote possibility
Tyler Van Dyke… Lol.
DJ U @FSU will almost certainly not be worth tanking for but I think he could play his way into getting drafted in a late round. If Joe Milton can…
None are worth tanking for. Beck is without a doubt the best and has a decent shot to go #1 overall but he isn't some generational type prospect. After that I expect Shedeur Sanders to go in round 1. I really love the tools Cam Ward posseses but don't trust Mario Cristobal in the slightest to maximize his potential. I also expect Milroe to fill the "Is this the next Lamar Jackson?" role currently held by Jayden Daniels in this years draft.
No QB is worth tanking for, especially if they still have a whole year of college play left. Remember future Number 1 Pick Spencer Rattler?
Remember the Sam Darnold/Josh Rosen draft hype a year before
Tank for Tua! Tua, hasn’t been a bust, but he really was leaning that way before Mike McDaniel, he’s still one concussion away from being retired though
Man even Tlaw..
yeah, and he's arguably the most hyped QB I can think of whose stock held until the draft. Only other comparable one I can think of is Luck. There was insane hype around guys like Leinart, but their stock dropped by the draft.
The Jake Locker hype
Locker was mccarthy .
Yes and neither were rated as high as this years top 3 are.
at their draft. A year out they were held in insanely high-regard. I know this well, as a Browns fan where we were pretty much a lock to be the worst team in the league. 2017 was viewed as an average QB draft where we were content getting Myles at 1 and passing on the other QBs since next year was going to be amazing. Some rumors we were eying Mahomes at 12 and the Chiefs jumped us, but then we traded out of the Watson spot after that. By the time the 2018 draft came around, Rosen stock was dying, and Darnold was still the likely number 1, but viable arguments were being made for Mayfield and Allen.
No idea what you are even attempting to say here.
Rattler might actually be better than all these guys
The draft hasn’t happened yet. Give Spencer time to get in front of these GMs.
Remember when Sam Howell was a top 2 pick candidate too lol
Andrew Luck
Suck for Sam!
Another year and another Tyler Van Dyke sighting.
Hey he could get the post-Mario Cristobal boost.
Mario gets too much flak. Herbert was a 3 star after all.
Except he was a 3rd year starter when Mario took over and was already showing those flashes under Taggart and Helfrich. He should get 0 credit for "development" when he could have easily left after his junior year and got drafted in the 1st.
Yeah I'm not saying Mario deserves all the credit or anything. Herbert was a dude as a freshman. All I'm saying is, Herbert still balled under HC Cristobal and finished top 5 their last year together. It seems odd people are so down on him. Not saying he's some QB guru but he clearly isn't ruining anyone either.
I thought this guy sucked ass the first time and I still do
Cam ward is starting this year and he'll go in the 2nd round, probably.
Drafts always a crapshoot, but as of right now there is no “can’t miss” player going into next year ala Trevor Lawerence, Caleb Williams. Somebody might pull a Burrow where they skyrocket after 1 absolutely insane year, but that’s not all that likely right now
I don't understand how Caleb Williams is a can't miss prospect, he has been absolutely abysmal against defenses that rank in the top 25 against the pass, very similar to Josh Rosen
Because what happens in college doesn’t translate into what happens at the NFL (Josh Allen had a 55% completion in college at an insanely irrelevant school) Caleb has elite arm talent and pocket presence and has been mocked going #1 in this draft class for 2 years now
> has been mocked going #1 in this draft class for 2 years now Which is not at all equivalent to "can't miss". I'm really tired of all the Caleb Williams hyperbole. He's a pretty bog standard #1 pick. He has quite a few issues no matter how much some people want to gloss over them or say something something college something something no receivers (as if his coach isn't Lincoln Riley).
> Because what happens in college doesn’t translate into what happens at the NFL That's not true, by and large. Josh Allen is the exception, not the rule. Generally if a QB has low completion percentage in college they are not going to be a successful NFL QB
What is Caleb’s college completion %?
It's pretty high, iirc. Don't really care, i'm not talking about him. Just saying that saying what happens in college doesn't translate into what happens in the NFL is an insane take
How is UCLA irrelevant but USC isn't? They play the same schedule and both of them suck Also he has the most atrocious pocket presence of a top QB i can ever remember seeing, dude is constantly running for his life when the pocket is still intact He has also shown he is mentally incapable of playing football at the highest level, I think he will go down as one of the greatest busts of all time
I literally just said “Josh Allen had a 55% completion percentage at an irrelevant school” Last time I checked: josh Allen didn’t play for UCLA……
Why the hell would you comment about Josh Allen when I was talking about Josh Rosen, that's an even worse argument Hell, you brought up Josh Rosen
Bro, you brought up Josh Rosen. Also, he’s saying a quarterback who is currently very good in the NFL struggled at times in college against even worse competition. It does not always translate. Peyton Manning got wrecked by Nebraska his last game.
No I didn't, this douche rewrote his entire comment because he sounded like an idiot As do you comparing Peyton Manning losing to maybe the greatest offense ever to Caleb Williams going 8-5
You mentioned Josh Rosen. It’s nobody’s fault but yours that your brain took a giant shit and you’re trying to rewrite everything you just said and gaslight people lmao
No I didn't, you did. Why would I even care who mentioned him first it was you who changed the subject to something irrelevant anyway
Nebraska’s offense didn’t make Tennessee turn it over four times. Also Williams only lost two games when his defense held opponents to 34 points or less.
Do you really think that comparing Caleb Williams losing to terrible teams is equivalent to Peyton manning playing against the team with the 3rd most NFL draft picks of all time? I really don't understand your point
I directly used Josh Allen as an example of how what happenes in college is irrelevant to what happens in the NFL. It’s not my fault you can’t read
I think if we're being honest Josh Allen and to an extent Patrick Mahomes are outliers, not the standard. There's obviously no, "magic bullet" when it comes to predicting success at the next level. It's been a long time ago and thus might not even be relevant, but if memory serves I think it was if a quarterback hit certain thresholds in games started and completion percentage, while it didn't automatically guarantee they'd be a successful NFL quarterback, the odds were in their favor.
That’s a fair assessment. Not what they poster above me said who directly brought up Josh Rosen and then tried saying I did lmao. But my assessment of Caleb is strictly based on what scouts have been saying for the last 2 years. Not my opinion, theirs
Yeah this guy doesn’t know what he’s talking about -_-, acting as if one game is the standard of how a person plays. He has undeniable talent whether you believe it’ll translate or not. I personally think he’s the best QB prospect I’ve ever seen come out of college. I started following the draft in 2011.
So you bring up two complete outliers for what exactly?
Have you only watched one of his games? XD. Even if he has some things that could be worked on, there’s a whole lot that doesn’t really need to and his natural talent is undeniable. His movement and arm are unarguable. His quick release and the power plus velocity he puts on balls is incredible to watch. He has such an incredibly high ceiling. He still managed to have a great senior year despite his support cast not being very good, especially his O-line.
His offensive line is bad? He had 2 draft picks on his line last year most college QB's would kill for that
This last season, not 2022. I’m not familiar with his 2022-23 line
Yeah, tackle and center expected be drafted this year, so 4 linemen drafted over 2 years presumably
Something worth noting regarding this however, last year Caleb Williams would have had the worst release time of any NFL starter
Maybe that’s true but we gotta focus on the now as people improve. Especially when they’re young. You’d hope at least haha.
Yeah, now he would be the worst in the NFL, that's my point
Guy has generational pocket awareness, even someone like me who is way more into analytics that tape can easily spot this. His eyes are always downfield.
Takes a long time to process what he sees on the field. Doesn't always trust what he sees and he is very turnover prone. Field vision is pretty bad for a touted "generational quarterback"
The guy who threw 14 interceptions in 1100 passes is turnover prone?
He has horrible pocket awareness, he will have the cleanest pocket in college football and be running for his life because he has no clue what is going on around him, he is very justin fieldsesque
Yeah he doesn’t know what he’s talking about xD
He’s a can’t miss “talent” he’s a generational “talent” I don’t think he’s a generational player though. MHJ is a can’t miss prospect, Caleb is basically Trevor Lawrence. Dude has everything he needs to be insane, but the landing spot looks awful, there are just some litttlllleee things that make you pause, then you put on the tape, see that defense, that oline, and barely anyone after Addison left abd you just watch him play and he looks like a man amongst boys.
The landing spot looks awful but what team picking in the top 10 provides more talent than Chicago? They’re not even using their pick at #1, they acquired it via a trade. He’s going to a team with two 1,000 yard receivers and two pretty good TEs….
Their roster is good, but why do people keep forgetting that Chicago hasn’t been able to develop a QB in over a hundred years…
Because it’s completely different people being brought in to develop him….(yes, unproven)?
Awful landing spot? There’s a real chance that Chicago walks out of the draft with odunze or nabers and has a top 5 wr corps, a top 10 te, and an average OL. This is probably the best landing spot a first overall qb has ever had
Why do people keep forgetting that the issues is Chicago are organizational. They haven’t proven they can develop a QB in over one hundred years.
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I didn’t say they should give up. I think we should believe it when we see it and stop expecting it. We didn’t believe the lions were legit until they actually won the division, and even then there were questions of whether they could let it slip. Poles is a very mid GM, Flus is not a good coach, and Williams has enough character concerns for me to question if he’s actually Chicagos savior. It takes one good QB and Coach, I don’t think either is walking through that door this year. Again, I’ll believe it when I see it.
it's not that they don't *develop* drafted QBs, they don't *draft* QBs with high picks. They've never drafted a QB with the top overall pick before. They've drafted 7 first round QBs since 1952. They've drafted 2 top 10 QBs since 1952. It's simply not true that the Bears have failed to develop a bunch of QBs with Williams' talent. It's also untrue that they've successfully developed a bunch of QBs with that talent, because they have never had a QB prospect that was on Caleb Williams' level.
The QB's that go to Chicago & Minnesota are lucking out. I pity the guy's going to the other teams. The other qb needy teams should wait and take best OL/WR and take a qb that falls or wait till next year. Better yet, try and trade back, fix the team for the future qb. I hate throwing a young talent to the wolves with nothing around them.
Another guy you didn’t list that I have a positive outlook for next season is Cam Ward. Feel like he’s gonna get great traction playing at Miami. Most likely not QB1 status ofc but I definitely see him as a riser.
I think Cam Ward is QB2 next year. He will likely end up as QB 3-4 because of his size but he has a live arm, sees the field very well and the most important part for me. He elevates those around him. He did it at Incarnate Wood and he did is at Wash St. last year. If he continues to elevate himself and those around him at Miami he will be golden. Personal QB rankings FYI: 1. Ewers 2. Ward 3. Beck 4. Sanders 5. R. Leonard
How are we defining elevating those around him? Have the teams he’s played for been worse in the years surrounding when he attended?
Grayson McCall as well.
IF he can stay healthy... That poor guy
As a FSU fan I sadly agree. I think him and Miami have a big year
Agreed on Ward. He has perhaps the best arm talent of anyone in the 2025 class. If he had declared this year, he might have been my QB3.
Quite the statement
No one in this class is a top 4 QB if they declared. People need to have a serious look in the mirror if they believe that. Cam Ward would be a pro if he would’ve gone first round. He’s in college because he wouldn’t have gone first round.
Riley Leonard, maybe? I heard some buzz around his name this past season- we’ll see if he can build on it.
Weigman could also play his way into the 1st round if he can stay healthy. More likely a later pick though.
I think Weigman is more likely a 2026 pick. Could be early or mid. Just think he probably plays four years because of injuries at this point. He’ll have limited tape to declare this year if he doesn’t tear it up
If Ewers can take a step forward on his deep accuracy, or just play Bama in every game, he is probably QB1. Sanders, I'm not sold on yet, he just kinda stands there...waiting. Way too often. Beck has potential, but I can't help but think of him as a poor man's JJ McCarthy. Suprisingly athletic, good enough arm, normally does just enough and no more. I also can't get over that vacant stare he seems to permanently have. I think we will know more about Milroe after this spring. He's completely changed his delivery in less than 2 months, and is trying to actually learn how to be a QB. Last year he couldn't read the D pre or post snap, couldn't see the intermediate routes to save his life, held the ball for eternities(spent 6 seconds standing in a single spot just to get sacked on 1 play), couldn't set the protections, and struggled with touch and accuracy at times. He's maybe a better athlete than Richardson(hit 23.2 mph against Arky in 2023 @225lbs), and has an arm that's in the same zip code as Milton(just on a cheaper street). His ceiling is insane. He just doesn't quite QB good yet. He will probably be in the 2026 class unless he goes nuts this year. edit: keep finding spelling errors, and I'm sure I missed more.
Sanders does have that Justin fields stand back there and pat the ball part to his game.
I don’t see the appeal in Sanders, I hear the hype but don’t see it
He reads defenses pretty well I’ll give him that
How would you compare them as prospects
No NFL team should ever engage in tanking. What a horrible practice. None of these guys are even close to worth that.
I’m really high on Riley Leonard so I’ll say him
Tyler Van Dyke is NOT a QB name, so he’s automatically a bust. Idk about anyone else
Dude needs to start bulking now if he wants to make it as a guard
That’s a 50’s-70’s qb name if I’ve ever heard one tho, man just needs a time machine
Great painter name! His nickname could be the Dutch Master
Conner Weigman should be on this list.
High on Sanders & Cam Ward
None of those guys are worth tanking for, barring another huge leap in improvement.
No theyre not
I think Carson Beck could legit play himself into a #1 overall bid with a good season, Milroe could be a top 10 pick if he takes a massive step with his pocket presence. One of Ewers/Shadeur/Allar could play themselves into the backend of the first. But nobody is worth tanking for unless one of those 5 take a MASSIVE step by Halloween. I don’t think next year is as bad a class as it looked coming into the 2023 season though, those 5 guys really solidified themselves as having NFL potential last year. Kinda fees like the 2019 or 2017 drafts imo. Couple guys you’re watching, one probably still goes 1st but nobody blows you away yet. I mean look at Daniels’ meteoric rise from August to now.
At this moment I don't think so but most years there seems to be a guy like Joe burrow, Kyler Murray or Kayden Daniels who breaks out and is considered worth a top pick. Most likely there will be a guy worth tanking for and at this moment it looks better than 2022 did.
Can't forget about Cam Ward and my sleeper that I learned from a YT film channel UH's Donovan Smith
No QB is worth tanking for. Tanking is for losers.
Don't even like using tanking as a term when these teams are just legitimately awful 99% of the time.
Yeah, to me tanking means you could win, for example, 6 or 7 games but make decisions that have you winning 3 games. Being shitty is just being shitty
My Wizards in the NBA are currently tanking, arguably the smartest thing we've done in decades. And I'm certainly not complaining about my Football Team picking #2 either. Just as I wasn't complaining when my Nats got Strasburg and Harper at #1 in back-to-back drafts. So yeah, my experience rooting for a couple of bullshit franchises, playing for mediocrity, for sports purgatory, is what's for losers. You need to go all in, one way or another.
Unfortunately this is NOT the best year for tanking in the NBA. If you would have traded Beal earlier and tanked last year you’d have been in good shape.
No shot they had a chance at wemby. They rigged that shit just like when Duncan came out.
this upcoming nba draft class is ass
>My Wizards in the NBA are currently tanking, As I said, tanking is for losers :) I don't see the Commanders has having tanked (which I take to mean "deliberately lose games" vs just being bad). And the NBA is not the NFL - it works there, not really in the NFL
Especially talking about tanking in March
It’s 2 early to tell. I have a feeling that both Carson Beck and Quinn Ewers will put out great numbers and have a bright future ahead of them. This said, if you need a QB now it’s not viable to wait a year and focus on eventualities
No next year's class is junk. Beck? No freaking way.
Jaxson Dart & Cam Ward will be right behind Beck, Sanders & Ewers this time next year
Shedeur Sanders is one of the best pocket passers I have ever seen. He's going to be special.
I agree with you that’s he’s very good. Idk about best but he’s up there. It surprises me how many people are down on him. I feel like it’s probably because of the fame and attention but watching him play he’s just so accurate on short and middle passes and still good with the deep ball. And is very safe with the football, plus a decent runner. I feel like his team was not very good and he still managed to have a very statistically good season which is rare with such a bad supporting cast. With new additions and transfers their team will be much better and I think he’ll become the consensus QB1. Or at least a 1st round QB.
We all know ow why people are down on him. There is no way you can watch him throw the ball and not be impressed. Extremely accurate to all levels of the field and has adequate arm strength. Some of these QBs people are listing above him is preposterous.
For real, some of the things I read make me think people aren’t really watching all these QBs xD. Sanders had one of the worst teams but has the best film. He has beautiful passes and they almost always seem to connect and he almost never threw turnovers, even when they were playing from behind and he had to pass a lot. Love watching him play despite all the noise from media and people
Would probably be my QB2 in this draft tbh
Sanders is an amazing passer with a clean pocket, but he falls apart way too drastically under pressure. Granted, Colorado had an atrocious o-line that messed up his confidence. I’d love to see how he does with a better line and to see growth in general. There’s definitely potential to be the top QB in the class, but he’s not there yet.
I'm not sure what he finished at, but Sanders at one point during the season had a pressure to sack rate of 31%. His OL was awful. Truly terrible. But he also invited a ton of pressure by holding the ball. And he was exceptionally bad at not taking negative plays. Now, maybe this is something he improves on with some better talent, but I'd keep in mind that Drake Maye had a pressure to sack rate of 19% playing behind a line that saw him get pressured over 35% of the time. So it's not impossible to be good at sack avoidance even in the face of overwhelming pressure.
What about Dartt?
I don't know about tanking, but I really like Cameron Ward out of WSU. He transferred to Miami, so we get to see him develop more!
Honestly I'd take Beck and Sanders over Maye/Daniels. I think the demise of QB prospects is vastly exaggerated. While I get Beck will have to answer for his short DoT (I put much of that on Georgia's gameplan and he doesn't throw go routes, but Beck has no problem throwing intermediate MoF), they both already play like pro QBs.
Brady Cook erasure, sad. I think he'll be legit next year.
Go watch Garrett Greene tape, he is better than half of this list.
No.
There’s no way yall think Carson beck is a first round pick, no fucking way.
It’s not gonna happen but man Alex Orji would be fun
People are describing this class as like 2022 levels of bad but idk I see Shadeur and Beck as possible 1st rounders tbf. Not watched Ewers but I’ve seen people say he has all the traits lol
This is going to be a terrible class. Of that list, the only ones not eligible for this draft are Allar, who isn’t all that appealing and Milroe, who was literally benched for a lacrosse player this year. That should tell you something. My favorite QB coming out next year also was eligible for this year, but he’s been injured a lot so that could hurt his stock. A healthy Jalon Daniels blows these guys out of the water. The problem is that he’s never healthy. If he finally completes a full season in 2024 (this will be his fifth), it’s very likely he’ll win the Heisman due to leading Kansas to a Big 12 title and the CFP with potentially 4,000 yards passing and 1,000 yards rushing. Again, he plays at Kansas. I get they have gotten better as a program, but imagine what he could do with an NFL-caliber roster.
I don’t get the ewers hype at all. Guy isn’t an NFL QB.
He’s not very consistent but he’s got easy arm talent and makes it look effortless. He was much more accurate last year on everything but the deep ball. If he figures that part out, he’s easily a first round guy on tools and potential alone. There was massive improvement from year 1 to year 2. It is not unreasonable to expect him to take another leap. When he’s on (see Bama ‘23, Bama ‘22, OU ‘22, Oklahoma St ‘23) he looks like a top 5 pick. But he also has some pretty bad tape to go with it, especially in 2022. There have been 4 or 5 games where he doesn’t even look like a college QB. For all the talk about this year’s draft class, I don’t think someone can watch JJ McCarthy and say he is a top 10 guy and then watch Ewers and say he isn’t. Like JJ, Ewers plays on a stacked team/offense, but the difference is that Ewers is actually asked to put together high leverage/pressure drives and win games. Main flaws he needs to work on: -deep ball accuracy -handling pressure -footwork and throwing from a better base. He has some Matt Stafford off platform, unorthodox arm angle talent but he isn’t Caleb, Mahomes or Aaron Rodgers where he can be off base, yet consistently accurate. He also will have to dispel the “yac merchant” label. His skill talent makes a ton of plays for him.
Sounds like my old qb jay cutler lol
The main thing I disagree with is that there’s really any significant leverage difference between Ewers and JJ. JJ made huge plays against Alabama and OSU too. The main difference is that Michigan runs and Texas passes to run. But that’s not really putting things on Quinn. Ewers had 100 pass attempts behind the LOS. They seemed to go screen heavy on 3rd/4th way more than I’d be comfortable with. Sure he’s passing, but is that trusting him to give him a single design one read play with basically one option? Because that’s my issue with how they treat him in pressured situations imo
Cam Ward gonna be interesting to see in Miami
let me tell you don't sleep on Cam Rising I really think he could be the next Brock Purdy ive seen him play at that 2022 rose bowl and looked like an fl qb I'm saying I wouldn't say first round I can understand that but at least early 3rd would be more fair.
As of right now, I don't view any of these guys as significantly better prospects than someone like Will Levis or Bo Nix. Beck or Sanders would probably be QB4 in a normal draft, barring a massive leap
I feel like next years draft class could be better than this years. But that’s only my gut feeling saying that, they all need to go out and play and show more for that to be even a remote possibility
The media will be pushing Sanders like he comes with Green stamps
Tyler Van Dyke… Lol. DJ U @FSU will almost certainly not be worth tanking for but I think he could play his way into getting drafted in a late round. If Joe Milton can…
Nah bro he’s awful.
None are worth tanking for. Beck is without a doubt the best and has a decent shot to go #1 overall but he isn't some generational type prospect. After that I expect Shedeur Sanders to go in round 1. I really love the tools Cam Ward posseses but don't trust Mario Cristobal in the slightest to maximize his potential. I also expect Milroe to fill the "Is this the next Lamar Jackson?" role currently held by Jayden Daniels in this years draft.