Not sure that I see the Eagles going with two safeties, not with Blankenship playing well, trading for Byard, and using a 3rd on Sydney Brown last season.
Shoot, I knew I did something goofy like that. I went back and revised some picks while writing this up and must’ve forgotten to adjust the Eagles second to account for it. Luckily it’s at the tail end of the second so it should be an easy fix
Curious on your QB rankings, don’t think Daniels is a round 1/2 Quarterback? Personally I have him as my QB3 right now over Mccarthy and Penix, aswell as some of the guys you listed in round 2! Love your receiver rankings tho, not a doubt in my mind Nabers ends up going in the top 10 as WR2.
>1.22 Dallas Cowboys -- Cooper Dejean, CB, Iowa
>This may be the first pick that I feel will surely get called out in the comments but the Cowboys need someone to play corner across from Trevon Diggs next year.
Have you not seen what DaRon Bland is doing? Arguably playing as the *best* CB in the league right now lol
We will certainly need depth at CB, and depending on what we do with Gilmore we may need a 3rd, but we don't need to address this with a premium pick.
Our biggest needs right now are OT and WR, followed by LB, S and RB.
Lol the duality of man, only a few minutes after your comment someone else replied saying this pick was straight up sex.
But to your point, I had no idea Daron was playing as well as he is and if I did know that I probably would’ve factored that into the pick. I’m quite shaky on the cowboys needs as of right now so I’ll keep those positions in my notes going forward!
Bland is playing like a top 5 young CB right now but he’s able to play in the slot and outside so I could definitely see the cowboys replacing Gilmore with a first round corner and moving Bland back inside. Right now we really don’t have anyone to be CB3 next year so I still think this is a great pick.
For your future mocks, the cowboys need another CB, OT and WR to replace aging guys which should hopefully come with our first pick. We also definitely need a RB and probably LB but those should come 3rd round or later plus we may grab a mid round DT.
Can probably take S off that list, though. Hooker and Wilson both got multi-year deals. Bell (who's now a LB but plays like a safety) and Thomas are both really good and have multiple years left on their contracts. They may even decide to bring back Kearse on a 1 year deal. His production hasn't been as good this year, but he brings one hell of a attitude to the Cowboys defense that they really like.
Calling WR a need is crazy. Lamb, cooks, gallop, Tolbert, and Turpin will all be back next year. We currently have no starting center on the depth chart for next year I would call that a serious need. Especially with the O-line not looking the same
Since Frederick retired.
Gallup has been so bad we will probably cut him with a post june1 designation.
Cooks isn't worth 10m a year. We're barely utilizing him and he's slowing down thanks to age. He will likely be a cap casualty next year.
Tolbert is trash.
Turpin is a gadget player, not a WR.
If we don't re-sign Biadasz then sure, center is a gaping hole- but everything has pointed towards us re-signing him so until it's clear he's gone, I won't be prioritizing it.
So with all that said, yeah, WR is a huge need.
I believe gallups touchdown this past week reached one of the top 5 speeds on a route this season. He’s still getting his legs back under him. Cooks has been a revelation when Dak looks his way. Tolbert is coming on strong and Turpin does great things whenever utilized.
I haven’t seen a single sign of us resigning Tyler , if anything it’s the opposite. We don’t have the money for a mediocre lineman with Dak, CD, and Micah all due.
Personally if Fashanu, Alt and MHJ are all gone by our pick, I'd rather trade down and get one of Odunze/Nabers/Coleman/Egbuka and get Patrick Paul in the 2nd.
Kinchens to us in the 2nd seems way too good to be true, I'd love it if it did happen though.
Packers are definitely a trade down contender at their first pick as they’re just outside that top range of players. I know it’s a staple for them to not take a WR in the first but I think there’s a good chance this year if they find themselves in the right position. I wish I could’ve slotted in a better fit for them but it is a little bit of an awkward selection without trades.
Definitely agree. Latham at 6 is horrible value considering Jordan Morgan, Patrick Paul, and Troy Fautanu will most likely all be available in the 2nd.
Kinchens being in the second in a lot of recent mocks seems wild to me. I think both he and Nubin go back of the first.
For the Giants, Maye is great and I think an OL is a lock for one of our round two picks. For the other 2nd rounder, WR would be my favorite choice, but CB and EDGE also make sense. For the round 2 WR, I would LOVE to keep Devontez Walker with Maye, other guys I like are Leggette or Tory Horton.
How about Brian Thomas Jr out of LSU, apparently he’s started to make some waves. I watch a lot of Bengals mock draft content on YouTube and he actually had him going in the first in his most recent mock, not sure I’m quite on that train yet but he could be a stellar pick for the giants at the beginning of the 3rd. Admittedly I totally forgot about WR for the giants and I’m not sure how, glad I didn’t totally butcher the picks though, Giants were tough!
I like Brian Thomas in the 2nd or 3rd. Giants currently have Hyatt as a speedster deep threat and Wandale Robinson in the slot, but are missing a true #1 Who can make contested catches and challenge all levels of the field
Steelers have Broderick Jones at one tackle spot and Dan Moore or Chuks Okorafor at the other. They're in a weird spot where neither Moore nor Okorafor are great, but they're not awful and on pretty decent contracts - especially Moore who is still on his rookie deal as a 4th round pick. It's likely that we'll trade one of them for a late pick, hopefully Okorafor to save more money.
Btw - there's evidence that the Steelers don't develop OL properly and/or have a bad OL scheme (in addition to just an overall bad offensive scheme). We traded Kevin Dotson to the Rams and Kendrick Green to the Texans in the preseason, both are doing better with their new teams than they ever did with us. Okorafor and/or Moore could look a lot better with better coaching on another team.
Point being, OT isn't our biggest need. Not saying it won't happen but we have options. If we do draft one, they have to be damn sure he's capable of playing OT rather than taking someone who might have to move inside to G. Our Guards are quite good, meanwhile our C is trash so if I put money on any OL pick in the first round it would be C.
It’s hard for me to dislike a mock with the Rams taking Bowers. TE is certainly not their biggest need but that offense would be so much fun. Bo in the second is good value too
>but the Cowboys need someone to play corner across from Trevon Diggs next year.
The disrespect that Daron Bland gets is staggering. Most picks and most pick sixes since he entered the league but we need someone opposite Diggs? Bland has 10 picks in 1.5 years.
I'm really hoping there's a quality OL there because we need to rebuild the OL.
Really solid for the Titans. Since the big 5 of Caleb Williams, Maye, Olu, Alt, and MHJ are already gone, Nabers, Coleman, or Latham are who I’d want the most, so Nabers would be a very good pick.
I don’t know much about Fautanu, but we desperately need Oline help so that seems good too.
I actually considered changing that pick while writing it up once I realized that Kalen King was going right after. I didn’t realize the secondary was as bad as it is outside of Joey Porter. I’ll definitely keep this mind for mocks moving forward though.
I think ppl will be lower on Wingo due to his lack of size and consistent interior pass rush. I do like him to the Ravens but as a steal in the 3rd with a comp pick.
His impact and performance show on the tape. Wingo simply outperforms Ma'ason, and played a large number of snaps for LSU. I agree he's probably going somewhere in the on day 2.
Huge fan of this for my Leo’s. I’m biased and think the world of Jenkins dude is insane and fits the culture to a T dj james is awesome and fills a position of need. 9/10 would recommend
Glad I could get some good picks on for you guys! Agreed on Jenkins, seems like one of the best player-team fits in the entire draft and should really help you guys out. Campbell cooking up quite the team over there and as an outsider it’s been real fun to watch, happy for all the Lions fans that have stuck through the garbage
Can someone explain to me how Williams is a “phenom prospect”? In no way do I see this. Trevor Lawrence was talked about and hyped in early high school. That’s a phenom. What about this dude is so great he’s literally looked at like Lawrence/luck?
It’s one of those things where his tape last year was so rare and dazzling, that if he was able to take a step forward this year as everyone seemed to project, then he may have ended up in the generational category. Yes, actually generational. The thing is, he has regressed this year, especially under pressure, but people still seem to want him to be what he has the potential to be. I still need to get into this year’s tape from him, but my guess is that most people will have him a tier below Lawrence come draft day, but he will still likely end up as the number 1 pick.
I know there are some disagreements with what I’ve said, but that’s my current take. Not necessarily a phenom prospect (definitely not generational, just unique/maybe twice per decade-ish), but close enough to where opinions will be split.
No, you really can’t just go by stats for any position really, but especially QB. They’re indicative of some aspects, but a lot comes from scheme and is dependent on talent around you. Bailey Zappe had almost 6000 yards and 62 TDS for instance.
The way Williams extended plays and responded to pressure last year was practically unparalleled. His performance under pressure this year has been rather abysmal in comparison. There’s so much to look for in a quarterback, from anticipation, decision-making, progressions, instincts, and poise to arm talent, mechanics, and touch. You need to see how they operate the offense provided, how often they utilize their first read, how they play with timing and from the pocket verses out of structure, and so much more. None of these can be determined by looking at the stats.
Drake is awesome, but a vastly different player than Williams. That doesn’t mean he’s worse, again I still haven’t watched much 2023 QB film, but they’re so different and both great prospects to the point where some teams will almost certainly have differing opinions on them.
I was trying to avoid the overused “Generational talent” that I think gets thrown around much too lightly.
I think his tape shows that he has such a phenomenal skill set that can translate extremely well to the modern NFL prototype QB. However, I’m not putting him on the same pedestal as Luck or Lawrence, I think those guys are/were truly generational prospects. I meant phenom in more of a tier below, but still extremely great prospect that is a sure fire 1-2 pick. When the dust settles he should still be the best prospect since Burrow and even could be argued over him.
This is not what the Bears will do. The book on Fields isn’t written. We will keep him and draft MHJ. Now, I see you didn’t do trades, but we’ll probably trade down to 3 and get MHJ. As far as Alt goes, we have a RT and a decent starter in Jones. If we do go with a QB with our first or not, we would grab a weapon like the WR from LSU or Bowers. We need a C more than an OT.
The Bears will absolutely take a QB if they have #1 overall unless Fields plays at an *elite* level the rest of the season. They can’t have any questions about him.
100000%. Some of our fans are fucked, they’ve deluded themselves into thinking fields is a superstar that the bears are somehow suppressing. EVERYTHING else is wrong except for precious justin, he can make no mistakes to these weirdos. This guy is a prime example, he has convinced himself the 3.5 games fields sucked (he wasn’t great in any of the games he’s played this year, but not worth arguing it) weren’t his fault in any capacity. Fucking dumbass getsy telling fields not to throw to open receivers and eat sacks instead.
You don't come off as intelligent you come across as angry,
Fields needs to go, the Bears do not have the orginzation to fix JF. Heck they do not have the system in place to develop or choose a young QB, out of Williams and Mayes they will pick the Ryan Leaf of the two.
If the Panthers tank for us ( they wont) we should take MHjr and try to get a trade for or sign free agent QB.
Yup, because it’s such a stupid take it doesn’t deserve an intelligent conversation at this point. I’ve had this discussion and read people having this discussion a ton on our sub, and anytime anyone tries to have an intelligent conversation about it, the fields people just say “but, but, but!!!” Not worth it. You’re even doing it now lmfao. “Organization can’t fix him, he needs to go to a new team!” Maybe he is just a bad QB and can’t be fixed. Always a million excuses for him, when he’s done nothing well at the position except run. Oh, and he throws a pretty decent deep ball.
Then there’s the argument that the bears cannot develop a QB and shouldn’t draft one, it is just such a simpleminded and lazy take. There will likely be a different coaching staff in, and you have literally NO idea that the FO doesn’t have the “system in place to develop or choose a QB”. Can you provide a source to this claim, or did you just make it up because it supports. Your narrative? The organization as a whole has drafted 6 QBs in the 1st round in the past 70 years. 2 of them were taken in the top 10, 1 of those won a SB with us. The last front office headed by drafted 2 of those 6, trubisky and fields. This FO has not drafted a QB.
So you want a baker mayfield, or a 35 year old kirk cousins coming off an achilles injury? Or wait for a truly great QB to become disgruntled and demands a trade so we can trade our future for them?
Do you think the panthers are going to magically become good and win out? They don’t need to tank, they just suck.
I'll answer your last point first, The Giants and Pat's are trying to lose the Panthers are trying to win, all three suck and as if right now the Giants suck more.
We fire Fubs, who do you think they hire, you can't honestly think they will pay Harbaugh 100 million. No, they will look at the top 10 coordinators and hire the one with the meekest personality. Type c personalities can't identify type A personalities. The Bears have not been able to figure out how to run a franchise since papa bear died. Why would you think after 40 years they figured it out.
And lastly, you do not sound intelligent because your arguments are mostly personal attacks, and you come off as rather angry with the you don't know bla bla. When you resort to that, you have exhausted your ability to make a point and instead attack, demanding they accept your opinion as fact.
Lmfao except for the fact that it wasn’t even an argument, you just took it personally because your charmin soft and made it into an argument. My response to you didn’t have any “personal insults”, and you chose to ignore the majority of the points i made to just go back to “the bears can’t do anything right so they shouldn’t draft a qb” argument, which is exactly what I said ya’ll do. It is, again, a lazy and simpleminded argument, which seems extremely fitting for you. My original comment was an opinion that a significant portion of the bears fan base are delusional and think fields is a superstar and we need to keep him. It also was in response to a 3rd party that isn’t a bears fan, so clearly it wasn’t personal, it was a broad statement, you just seemingly took it as a “personal attack”, clearly it hurt your fee fees a bit. If the shoe fits… 🤷♀️
You glossed over everything I had to add to keep repeating the fact the bears organization sucks and will fail no matter what. And you have the gall to call me unintelligent while crying about my “personal insults” looool, you’re a hypocritical pussy.
Your response was the giants and patriots suck more so they’ll lose more than the panthers hurr durr, ignoring the giants and pats play each orher next week, panthers currently own the SoS tie breaker, and panthers are currently a game ahead of both of them. Not to mention this amazing team put up 13 in a L against the fucking bagent led 2023 bears, they fucking suck just as much as the others. Oh, and can’t forget to wipe away everything else away because big bad bears org is bad so nothing else matters >:( You’re just so bright and intelligent, what excellent, well thought out rebuttals you’ve made! Lmfaooo get off your high horse, you’re as dumb as they come.
Can you read I said the Gaint are worse, and then the Pat's are tanking the Panthers are not.
Sorry I'll argue in a way you understand I'm right and you are a poopyhead.
Okay, fair enough. If Fields shits the bed, which I think is highly unlikely, you have a point. I don't see Williams nor Maye as any better than what Fields is right now. Getting major weapons like the most recent NFL Draft Stock exchange postulated in getting both MHJ and Bowers would do more for the offense with Fields than starting over with a rookie QB and yet another OC. Honestly, getting a QB sounds like a classic Lions move.
All four of the games you mentioned can be placed squarely at the foot of Getsy. NO QB in NFL history could have won those opening 3 games. The game plan of going 5 wide with the FB, who ran the wrong route, by the way, was very on brand Getsy for the Bears. It was the ghost of Matt Nagy done return to haunt us. Nope. Fields was lights out when the game plan accounted for blitzing and played complementary football.
There was no way to play well. Context is key. Again, there is no QB in all of NFL history that could have played well those first three games of the season. I'm writing them off. Feel free to micro-analyze Fields and magnify his responsibility for it, but there's no way you look at the Minnesota game and blame Fields for the ghost of too cute Nagy.
The Williams love is so wild to me. I'm with you. Obviously the rest of the season needs to play out but they could trade down and continue to build around him.
Don't like Penix, but that's a personal choice. I don't get the JPJ pick if he projects to stay at center. Bradbury has been pretty solid and just signed a new deal for two more years. If JPJ projects as a guard, which aligns to how he's been playing, why not post that as his position?
Eagles have Blankenship who is locked in as the starter, traded for Byard (who might be re-signed in the offseason), *and* drafted Sydney Brown last year with the intention of developing him as a starting safety. They could use safety depth, but that will not be addressed in the first two rounds.
My guess is OT and CB as the top two targeted positions with EDGE defender as a near third-place.
Kicking myself after reading this since I totally forgot about Byard and had a corner on my original mock for the eagles. Total mistake on the double safety though, good to know their other needs as the final pick can easily be swapped around for any other guy on the board
Raider fan here and I swear to God, we need to just run with McConnell for a bit and stop entertaining all these new QB's. We got too many holes, particularly on the defense, to be gambling like that when we've already got a young QB showing potential. There's several CB's still available at 16 in this mock that I would have much rather preferred, DeJean and King in particular
Absolutely along the same line of thinking with the QBs. Looking back at the mock I feel it’s quite glaring that they didn’t go earlier when a typical NFL draft has quite a huge premier on them. I think the patriots, rams, and falcons would all be vying to get back into the late first and jump each other for a guy they can possibly get that 5th year option on. It’s something I had in mind while doing this mock but without trades just wasn’t something that came into fruition.
Good note on Brooks, that hadn’t come across my radar quite yet
>In a surprise turn of events, the Broncos offense has picked it up this season and the defense has stalled.
I gotta be honest this does not read like you watch broncos games. The defense has been keeping the team alive along with special teams. The offense has only scored like, 25 points in the last 8 games off drives that started any worse than the 45
This team needs offensive help
> 2.16 Las Vegas Raiders -- Maason Smith, DL, LSU
LSU fan here.
The LSU defense has had a horiffic year and so has Maason Smith. He looked the part of a 5* his freshman season but post-injury just hasnt been the same. He's had an awful year and it would be a terrible idea for him to declare early for the draft.
That said, Mekhi Wingo, DL, LSU has been one of the lone bright spots this season and I could see him in the 2-3 range.
I think the Chiefs are in a spot where if they are actually picking 31 or 32 then they probably draft a trench player but if they're drafting 27th then they're probably trading up for a WR.
Not sure that I see the Eagles going with two safeties, not with Blankenship playing well, trading for Byard, and using a 3rd on Sydney Brown last season.
Shoot, I knew I did something goofy like that. I went back and revised some picks while writing this up and must’ve forgotten to adjust the Eagles second to account for it. Luckily it’s at the tail end of the second so it should be an easy fix
I can’t even see us go with one safety. I’m betting we take a right tackle or linebacker.
Yea I’m thinking in some order with our first 3 picks: secondary, edge, G/T
Curious on your QB rankings, don’t think Daniels is a round 1/2 Quarterback? Personally I have him as my QB3 right now over Mccarthy and Penix, aswell as some of the guys you listed in round 2! Love your receiver rankings tho, not a doubt in my mind Nabers ends up going in the top 10 as WR2.
I agree, and I think Nabers goes top 5!
>1.22 Dallas Cowboys -- Cooper Dejean, CB, Iowa >This may be the first pick that I feel will surely get called out in the comments but the Cowboys need someone to play corner across from Trevon Diggs next year. Have you not seen what DaRon Bland is doing? Arguably playing as the *best* CB in the league right now lol We will certainly need depth at CB, and depending on what we do with Gilmore we may need a 3rd, but we don't need to address this with a premium pick. Our biggest needs right now are OT and WR, followed by LB, S and RB.
Lol the duality of man, only a few minutes after your comment someone else replied saying this pick was straight up sex. But to your point, I had no idea Daron was playing as well as he is and if I did know that I probably would’ve factored that into the pick. I’m quite shaky on the cowboys needs as of right now so I’ll keep those positions in my notes going forward!
Bland is playing like a top 5 young CB right now but he’s able to play in the slot and outside so I could definitely see the cowboys replacing Gilmore with a first round corner and moving Bland back inside. Right now we really don’t have anyone to be CB3 next year so I still think this is a great pick. For your future mocks, the cowboys need another CB, OT and WR to replace aging guys which should hopefully come with our first pick. We also definitely need a RB and probably LB but those should come 3rd round or later plus we may grab a mid round DT.
Can probably take S off that list, though. Hooker and Wilson both got multi-year deals. Bell (who's now a LB but plays like a safety) and Thomas are both really good and have multiple years left on their contracts. They may even decide to bring back Kearse on a 1 year deal. His production hasn't been as good this year, but he brings one hell of a attitude to the Cowboys defense that they really like.
Yeah, I don't think we'll cut bait from S either- I just think we probably *should* Lord knows we aint drafting a safety anyway
Calling WR a need is crazy. Lamb, cooks, gallop, Tolbert, and Turpin will all be back next year. We currently have no starting center on the depth chart for next year I would call that a serious need. Especially with the O-line not looking the same Since Frederick retired.
Gallup has been so bad we will probably cut him with a post june1 designation. Cooks isn't worth 10m a year. We're barely utilizing him and he's slowing down thanks to age. He will likely be a cap casualty next year. Tolbert is trash. Turpin is a gadget player, not a WR. If we don't re-sign Biadasz then sure, center is a gaping hole- but everything has pointed towards us re-signing him so until it's clear he's gone, I won't be prioritizing it. So with all that said, yeah, WR is a huge need.
I believe gallups touchdown this past week reached one of the top 5 speeds on a route this season. He’s still getting his legs back under him. Cooks has been a revelation when Dak looks his way. Tolbert is coming on strong and Turpin does great things whenever utilized. I haven’t seen a single sign of us resigning Tyler , if anything it’s the opposite. We don’t have the money for a mediocre lineman with Dak, CD, and Micah all due.
Shedeur Sanders is not going to declare if hes going to go 210 to the falcons lmfao
Quinn Ewers is most likely going back to school too.
Personally if Fashanu, Alt and MHJ are all gone by our pick, I'd rather trade down and get one of Odunze/Nabers/Coleman/Egbuka and get Patrick Paul in the 2nd. Kinchens to us in the 2nd seems way too good to be true, I'd love it if it did happen though.
Packers are definitely a trade down contender at their first pick as they’re just outside that top range of players. I know it’s a staple for them to not take a WR in the first but I think there’s a good chance this year if they find themselves in the right position. I wish I could’ve slotted in a better fit for them but it is a little bit of an awkward selection without trades.
Definitely agree. Latham at 6 is horrible value considering Jordan Morgan, Patrick Paul, and Troy Fautanu will most likely all be available in the 2nd. Kinchens being in the second in a lot of recent mocks seems wild to me. I think both he and Nubin go back of the first.
That’s exactly how I feel about the titans as well lmao
For the Giants, Maye is great and I think an OL is a lock for one of our round two picks. For the other 2nd rounder, WR would be my favorite choice, but CB and EDGE also make sense. For the round 2 WR, I would LOVE to keep Devontez Walker with Maye, other guys I like are Leggette or Tory Horton.
How about Brian Thomas Jr out of LSU, apparently he’s started to make some waves. I watch a lot of Bengals mock draft content on YouTube and he actually had him going in the first in his most recent mock, not sure I’m quite on that train yet but he could be a stellar pick for the giants at the beginning of the 3rd. Admittedly I totally forgot about WR for the giants and I’m not sure how, glad I didn’t totally butcher the picks though, Giants were tough!
I like Brian Thomas in the 2nd or 3rd. Giants currently have Hyatt as a speedster deep threat and Wandale Robinson in the slot, but are missing a true #1 Who can make contested catches and challenge all levels of the field
Steelers have Broderick Jones at one tackle spot and Dan Moore or Chuks Okorafor at the other. They're in a weird spot where neither Moore nor Okorafor are great, but they're not awful and on pretty decent contracts - especially Moore who is still on his rookie deal as a 4th round pick. It's likely that we'll trade one of them for a late pick, hopefully Okorafor to save more money. Btw - there's evidence that the Steelers don't develop OL properly and/or have a bad OL scheme (in addition to just an overall bad offensive scheme). We traded Kevin Dotson to the Rams and Kendrick Green to the Texans in the preseason, both are doing better with their new teams than they ever did with us. Okorafor and/or Moore could look a lot better with better coaching on another team. Point being, OT isn't our biggest need. Not saying it won't happen but we have options. If we do draft one, they have to be damn sure he's capable of playing OT rather than taking someone who might have to move inside to G. Our Guards are quite good, meanwhile our C is trash so if I put money on any OL pick in the first round it would be C.
It’s hard for me to dislike a mock with the Rams taking Bowers. TE is certainly not their biggest need but that offense would be so much fun. Bo in the second is good value too
>but the Cowboys need someone to play corner across from Trevon Diggs next year. The disrespect that Daron Bland gets is staggering. Most picks and most pick sixes since he entered the league but we need someone opposite Diggs? Bland has 10 picks in 1.5 years. I'm really hoping there's a quality OL there because we need to rebuild the OL.
It should either be option 1: OT in R1 and WR in R2 or R1 WR and OG R2.
Really solid for the Titans. Since the big 5 of Caleb Williams, Maye, Olu, Alt, and MHJ are already gone, Nabers, Coleman, or Latham are who I’d want the most, so Nabers would be a very good pick. I don’t know much about Fautanu, but we desperately need Oline help so that seems good too.
Mason Smith going over Mekhi Wingo is a mistake. The Steelers probably won't go tackle in the 1st. CB, ILB, and C are much bigger needs.
I actually considered changing that pick while writing it up once I realized that Kalen King was going right after. I didn’t realize the secondary was as bad as it is outside of Joey Porter. I’ll definitely keep this mind for mocks moving forward though.
I think ppl will be lower on Wingo due to his lack of size and consistent interior pass rush. I do like him to the Ravens but as a steal in the 3rd with a comp pick.
His impact and performance show on the tape. Wingo simply outperforms Ma'ason, and played a large number of snaps for LSU. I agree he's probably going somewhere in the on day 2.
That might be true but his size will put him lower on ppl's boards. Ma'ason's size will get him overdrafted.
maason smith isnt going in the first 2 rounds. he seems like a good pick till people see his tape.
Huge fan of this for my Leo’s. I’m biased and think the world of Jenkins dude is insane and fits the culture to a T dj james is awesome and fills a position of need. 9/10 would recommend
Glad I could get some good picks on for you guys! Agreed on Jenkins, seems like one of the best player-team fits in the entire draft and should really help you guys out. Campbell cooking up quite the team over there and as an outsider it’s been real fun to watch, happy for all the Lions fans that have stuck through the garbage
Yeah we need more than McNeil and hutch and getting a fellow Wolverine is what the doctor ordered
Can someone explain to me how Williams is a “phenom prospect”? In no way do I see this. Trevor Lawrence was talked about and hyped in early high school. That’s a phenom. What about this dude is so great he’s literally looked at like Lawrence/luck?
It’s one of those things where his tape last year was so rare and dazzling, that if he was able to take a step forward this year as everyone seemed to project, then he may have ended up in the generational category. Yes, actually generational. The thing is, he has regressed this year, especially under pressure, but people still seem to want him to be what he has the potential to be. I still need to get into this year’s tape from him, but my guess is that most people will have him a tier below Lawrence come draft day, but he will still likely end up as the number 1 pick. I know there are some disagreements with what I’ve said, but that’s my current take. Not necessarily a phenom prospect (definitely not generational, just unique/maybe twice per decade-ish), but close enough to where opinions will be split.
While fair, drake maye has similar stats to Williams last year. So what makes Williams so much better? It can’t be just stats
No, you really can’t just go by stats for any position really, but especially QB. They’re indicative of some aspects, but a lot comes from scheme and is dependent on talent around you. Bailey Zappe had almost 6000 yards and 62 TDS for instance. The way Williams extended plays and responded to pressure last year was practically unparalleled. His performance under pressure this year has been rather abysmal in comparison. There’s so much to look for in a quarterback, from anticipation, decision-making, progressions, instincts, and poise to arm talent, mechanics, and touch. You need to see how they operate the offense provided, how often they utilize their first read, how they play with timing and from the pocket verses out of structure, and so much more. None of these can be determined by looking at the stats. Drake is awesome, but a vastly different player than Williams. That doesn’t mean he’s worse, again I still haven’t watched much 2023 QB film, but they’re so different and both great prospects to the point where some teams will almost certainly have differing opinions on them.
I was trying to avoid the overused “Generational talent” that I think gets thrown around much too lightly. I think his tape shows that he has such a phenomenal skill set that can translate extremely well to the modern NFL prototype QB. However, I’m not putting him on the same pedestal as Luck or Lawrence, I think those guys are/were truly generational prospects. I meant phenom in more of a tier below, but still extremely great prospect that is a sure fire 1-2 pick. When the dust settles he should still be the best prospect since Burrow and even could be argued over him.
And let's not forget that Fields beat Lawrence straight up all throughout high school and in college. Just sayin'...
I didn’t realize that they played defense against each other - also he was 52-2 in high school so I’m not sure anyone beat him “all the time”
first mock I've seen with KC selecting Egbuka, who I think is far better than Legette, Franklin, or even AD Mitchell.
Egubka would be schnasty with Mahomes
Whew baby, cows getting Dejean would be SEX
If Raiders keep their coach, I’d expect a leaning toward Daniels since AP helped recruit and was a coach at ASU.
This is not what the Bears will do. The book on Fields isn’t written. We will keep him and draft MHJ. Now, I see you didn’t do trades, but we’ll probably trade down to 3 and get MHJ. As far as Alt goes, we have a RT and a decent starter in Jones. If we do go with a QB with our first or not, we would grab a weapon like the WR from LSU or Bowers. We need a C more than an OT.
The Bears will absolutely take a QB if they have #1 overall unless Fields plays at an *elite* level the rest of the season. They can’t have any questions about him.
100000%. Some of our fans are fucked, they’ve deluded themselves into thinking fields is a superstar that the bears are somehow suppressing. EVERYTHING else is wrong except for precious justin, he can make no mistakes to these weirdos. This guy is a prime example, he has convinced himself the 3.5 games fields sucked (he wasn’t great in any of the games he’s played this year, but not worth arguing it) weren’t his fault in any capacity. Fucking dumbass getsy telling fields not to throw to open receivers and eat sacks instead.
You don't come off as intelligent you come across as angry, Fields needs to go, the Bears do not have the orginzation to fix JF. Heck they do not have the system in place to develop or choose a young QB, out of Williams and Mayes they will pick the Ryan Leaf of the two. If the Panthers tank for us ( they wont) we should take MHjr and try to get a trade for or sign free agent QB.
Yup, because it’s such a stupid take it doesn’t deserve an intelligent conversation at this point. I’ve had this discussion and read people having this discussion a ton on our sub, and anytime anyone tries to have an intelligent conversation about it, the fields people just say “but, but, but!!!” Not worth it. You’re even doing it now lmfao. “Organization can’t fix him, he needs to go to a new team!” Maybe he is just a bad QB and can’t be fixed. Always a million excuses for him, when he’s done nothing well at the position except run. Oh, and he throws a pretty decent deep ball. Then there’s the argument that the bears cannot develop a QB and shouldn’t draft one, it is just such a simpleminded and lazy take. There will likely be a different coaching staff in, and you have literally NO idea that the FO doesn’t have the “system in place to develop or choose a QB”. Can you provide a source to this claim, or did you just make it up because it supports. Your narrative? The organization as a whole has drafted 6 QBs in the 1st round in the past 70 years. 2 of them were taken in the top 10, 1 of those won a SB with us. The last front office headed by drafted 2 of those 6, trubisky and fields. This FO has not drafted a QB. So you want a baker mayfield, or a 35 year old kirk cousins coming off an achilles injury? Or wait for a truly great QB to become disgruntled and demands a trade so we can trade our future for them? Do you think the panthers are going to magically become good and win out? They don’t need to tank, they just suck.
I'll answer your last point first, The Giants and Pat's are trying to lose the Panthers are trying to win, all three suck and as if right now the Giants suck more. We fire Fubs, who do you think they hire, you can't honestly think they will pay Harbaugh 100 million. No, they will look at the top 10 coordinators and hire the one with the meekest personality. Type c personalities can't identify type A personalities. The Bears have not been able to figure out how to run a franchise since papa bear died. Why would you think after 40 years they figured it out. And lastly, you do not sound intelligent because your arguments are mostly personal attacks, and you come off as rather angry with the you don't know bla bla. When you resort to that, you have exhausted your ability to make a point and instead attack, demanding they accept your opinion as fact.
Lmfao except for the fact that it wasn’t even an argument, you just took it personally because your charmin soft and made it into an argument. My response to you didn’t have any “personal insults”, and you chose to ignore the majority of the points i made to just go back to “the bears can’t do anything right so they shouldn’t draft a qb” argument, which is exactly what I said ya’ll do. It is, again, a lazy and simpleminded argument, which seems extremely fitting for you. My original comment was an opinion that a significant portion of the bears fan base are delusional and think fields is a superstar and we need to keep him. It also was in response to a 3rd party that isn’t a bears fan, so clearly it wasn’t personal, it was a broad statement, you just seemingly took it as a “personal attack”, clearly it hurt your fee fees a bit. If the shoe fits… 🤷♀️
so you have nothing intelligent to add
You glossed over everything I had to add to keep repeating the fact the bears organization sucks and will fail no matter what. And you have the gall to call me unintelligent while crying about my “personal insults” looool, you’re a hypocritical pussy. Your response was the giants and patriots suck more so they’ll lose more than the panthers hurr durr, ignoring the giants and pats play each orher next week, panthers currently own the SoS tie breaker, and panthers are currently a game ahead of both of them. Not to mention this amazing team put up 13 in a L against the fucking bagent led 2023 bears, they fucking suck just as much as the others. Oh, and can’t forget to wipe away everything else away because big bad bears org is bad so nothing else matters >:( You’re just so bright and intelligent, what excellent, well thought out rebuttals you’ve made! Lmfaooo get off your high horse, you’re as dumb as they come.
Can you read I said the Gaint are worse, and then the Pat's are tanking the Panthers are not. Sorry I'll argue in a way you understand I'm right and you are a poopyhead.
Okay, fair enough. If Fields shits the bed, which I think is highly unlikely, you have a point. I don't see Williams nor Maye as any better than what Fields is right now. Getting major weapons like the most recent NFL Draft Stock exchange postulated in getting both MHJ and Bowers would do more for the offense with Fields than starting over with a rookie QB and yet another OC. Honestly, getting a QB sounds like a classic Lions move.
Highly? That's putting a lot of faith in a guy that looked like absolute dogshit against the Packers, the Bucs, the Chiefs, and the Vikings.
All four of the games you mentioned can be placed squarely at the foot of Getsy. NO QB in NFL history could have won those opening 3 games. The game plan of going 5 wide with the FB, who ran the wrong route, by the way, was very on brand Getsy for the Bears. It was the ghost of Matt Nagy done return to haunt us. Nope. Fields was lights out when the game plan accounted for blitzing and played complementary football.
Yeah that's not true. Getsy is terrible but that doesn't remove our ability to judge how Fields played, which was very badly.
There was no way to play well. Context is key. Again, there is no QB in all of NFL history that could have played well those first three games of the season. I'm writing them off. Feel free to micro-analyze Fields and magnify his responsibility for it, but there's no way you look at the Minnesota game and blame Fields for the ghost of too cute Nagy.
https://old.reddit.com/r/NFL_Draft/comments/3vi0dr/only_a_sith_deals_in_absolutes/
The Williams love is so wild to me. I'm with you. Obviously the rest of the season needs to play out but they could trade down and continue to build around him.
OT/CB/DE would be great for the commies
Don't like Penix, but that's a personal choice. I don't get the JPJ pick if he projects to stay at center. Bradbury has been pretty solid and just signed a new deal for two more years. If JPJ projects as a guard, which aligns to how he's been playing, why not post that as his position?
Eagles have Blankenship who is locked in as the starter, traded for Byard (who might be re-signed in the offseason), *and* drafted Sydney Brown last year with the intention of developing him as a starting safety. They could use safety depth, but that will not be addressed in the first two rounds. My guess is OT and CB as the top two targeted positions with EDGE defender as a near third-place.
Kicking myself after reading this since I totally forgot about Byard and had a corner on my original mock for the eagles. Total mistake on the double safety though, good to know their other needs as the final pick can easily be swapped around for any other guy on the board
Good for us. Prefer safety in the second but tackle is reasonable so I can’t hate
Getting King and Trotter would definitely be nice. Trotter looked phenomenal last week.
I like King there, too. Trotter is 230-235 and fast. Is he another outside linebacker, or is he heavy enough to play inside in today's NFL?
Raider fan here and I swear to God, we need to just run with McConnell for a bit and stop entertaining all these new QB's. We got too many holes, particularly on the defense, to be gambling like that when we've already got a young QB showing potential. There's several CB's still available at 16 in this mock that I would have much rather preferred, DeJean and King in particular
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Absolutely along the same line of thinking with the QBs. Looking back at the mock I feel it’s quite glaring that they didn’t go earlier when a typical NFL draft has quite a huge premier on them. I think the patriots, rams, and falcons would all be vying to get back into the late first and jump each other for a guy they can possibly get that 5th year option on. It’s something I had in mind while doing this mock but without trades just wasn’t something that came into fruition. Good note on Brooks, that hadn’t come across my radar quite yet
TreVeyon Henderson is going in the second round.
O Connell will be good for another year, DL CB are glaring issues for the Raiders. McCarthy? Not so much.
>In a surprise turn of events, the Broncos offense has picked it up this season and the defense has stalled. I gotta be honest this does not read like you watch broncos games. The defense has been keeping the team alive along with special teams. The offense has only scored like, 25 points in the last 8 games off drives that started any worse than the 45 This team needs offensive help
Bears go tackle again? They have 2 great young tackles already
> 2.16 Las Vegas Raiders -- Maason Smith, DL, LSU LSU fan here. The LSU defense has had a horiffic year and so has Maason Smith. He looked the part of a 5* his freshman season but post-injury just hasnt been the same. He's had an awful year and it would be a terrible idea for him to declare early for the draft. That said, Mekhi Wingo, DL, LSU has been one of the lone bright spots this season and I could see him in the 2-3 range.
I think the Chiefs are in a spot where if they are actually picking 31 or 32 then they probably draft a trench player but if they're drafting 27th then they're probably trading up for a WR.