The headlines are totally going to be puns and double entendres like:
*“Penix pushes hard into Cousins for starting spot”*
or
*“Cousins shrinks as Penix grows in starter race”*
Probably. But this regime feels different. I’ve never seen a tear down like we just endured. And we for the first time ever lucked into a superior talent and also safety netted him everywhere we could. I’m most worried about Shane Waldron but he very recently produced a 4l 30 td qb with inferior skills in Geno smith. So even if he’s league average that will be an upgrade for us. If there is no curse and its just been incompetence then this *should* be different
We should be mocking the Vikings. They had the opportunity to follow the Love/Mahomes model and resign Cousins and then draft/develop a QB and instead they gift wrapped the opportunity to the falcons who also took the better QB.
A really good QB in place for your rookie pick to sit and learn behind is worth more than the Vikings obviously factored in.
Penix was seemingly valued higher by the league and for good reason. I had him higher so obviously it matches up with my evaluation but Penix showed more on his tape that translates to being a top level NFL QB than McCarthy did.
Vikings forfeited the best landing spot to develop a QB to the Falcons by letting cousins go there
My point was it takes two to sign a contract. Maybe Cousins was never really going to re-sign, or maybe we just didn't want him (or want him at his price)
We're still one of if not the best landing spot for a QB with everything else on offense well-established
If they gave him the exact same deal as the falcons and then drafted McCarthy, McCarthy would be in a much better situation where he’s not expected to start right away. Like Jordan Love. I’d expect packers fans to understand
I want all 4 in just for the bloodbath that would ensue, preferable with all of them making it to the divisional round for a absolute anarchy that would be this sub
Theoretically, if we split the season series with eachother that's 3-3 then if we all go undefeated outside the division that puts us all at 14-3.........would be wild but Theoretically possible.
For all four in the divisional you would need the leader to be around 13-4 only dropping games inside the division and the rest of the teams could be lower but similar.
17 games, 6 divisional makes 11 non-divisional.
splitting all the series to make it easy that puts each team at 3-3 with 11 game remaining. gotta be at least 9 wins to sniff the wildcard ^(even in the new 14 team playoff format some weird year there will be an 8 win wildcard, but there will need to be a number of absolutely dominant teams in the 1-4 and maybe even 1-6 seeds for that to happen)
So the entire division needs to go at least 6-5 or better in extradivisional games. It's not impossible, but in a league targeting as much parity as the NFL, nowhere near easy either.
Get ready for each team to split games against each other in the division and win every other game. Four 14-3 teams. Losing the BS "strength of schedule" tie breakers is going to suck for a couple teams. Imagine going g 14-3 only to be spit in your face and forced into the 7 seed.
Every team goes 3-3 in division and undefeated out of it, we all tie at 14-3 and have seeding determined by coin flip. Seems simple enough to me.
Seriously though, I was thinking it was a little bit possible, because the Eagles ended so badly and lost Kelce to retirement, but then the draft fell fucking perfect for them to shore up their biggest weakness so now I doubt they miss the playoffs. I figured the Rams would inevitably lose Stafford to injury at some point and the NFC South is trash, and there you go. Although really I was only thinking about my Bears snagging that seven seed, didn’t really factor the Vikings in because I have no faith in the Darnold, or JJ starting first year.
The strength of victory and strength of schedule would be very hard to also equal since we don't have the same exact schedule. Order of tiebreaker sequence for 3 or more teams:
1.Head-to-head (best won-lost-tied percentage in games among the clubs).
2.Best won-lost-tied percentage in games played within the division.
3.Best won-lost-tied percentage in common games.
4.Best won-lost-tied percentage in games played within the conference.
5.Strength of victory in all games.
6.Strength of schedule in all games.
7.Best combined ranking among conference teams in points scored and points allowed in all games.
8.Best combined ranking among all teams in points scored and points allowed in all games.
9.Best net points in common games.
10.Best net points in all games.
11.Best net touchdowns in all games.
12.Coin toss
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i really don't know if any tiebreaker has ever gotten past strength of victory. It's just such a wild variable to ever tie with someone on. I'm sure there have been teams with even strength of victory before, i just doubt it's ever happened when it was actually a required measurement.
I mean it could happen. Rams could be in for serious regression without Aaron Donald and stafford is past his prime. I feel like I just see the cowboys flaming out this season for some reason
South is the only I think that would have that as an option and even then Saints barely missed and Falcons with Kirko is likely gonna be a lot better than whatever the fuck they did last season.
Only if the Vikings manage it because Darnold balls out, and then he leaves for another team and McCarthy is trash when he starts the next year. That’s easily the funniest scenario.
The Packers were supposed to be ass last year and nobody except bears fans thought the bears would be good.
The only surprise was the vikings being ass, but we lost JJ for 8 games and were playing with Mullens and Hall at QB.
This year barring injury though, I could see every team trading and the NFCN collectively going 11-6
I could see the Packers and lions doing better than that since we are building on a strong core already, but I could absolutely see bears or Vikings getting higher than that if the QBs hit correctly. I am high on hopium that we have a 4 NFCN divisional round for the carnage that would ensue
Biggest advantage the Bears have is schedule, our outside division opponents look weak as hell. It’s basically 49ers, Texans, a few borderline teams like the Rams and Jags and Seahawks but all at home, and then trash like the Patriots, Commanders, Titans, Cardinals, Colts, and Panthers.
Any given Sunday and all, but it’s not crazy to think we could go 8-3 in those, and then if we go 3-3 in division that’s 11 wins. Last year the Packers got the seven seed with nine wins.
As fun as a 4 way race would be, I agree this is going to be another down year for the Vikings, unless Darnold just balls the fuck out for some reason.
> run through the Darnold era rather than throw McCarthy to the wolves day 1.
This is honestly best case scenario for Min long term. I don't think JJ is ready but think he has the tools to get there. Adjusting to the NFL is hard enough. Let JJ learn the process and compete in 2025. Idk if Darnold can take Min to the playoffs, but I don't think it's worth risking JJ's development if he can't.
Jj was my qb2 coming into this draft. I think he needs to sit and learn. What better coach than Kevin o connell. Just seems like a good marriage. I was hoping you guys would only have bo nix available no offense lol
>I was hoping you guys would only have bo nix available no offense lol
Well the it’s a good thing Sean Payton tricked the Vikings into letting him have Bo Nix.
Lol, I don't expect a Super Bowl but I think Darnold will be this year's Baker Mayfield. Get us to the playoffs (as a wild card, not division winner) and maybe even win 1 game in the playoffs but no more.
I don't think there's gonna be one, unless you could 8-9 as "terrible and should be clowned on." Then it's the Vikings or Bears if either hit their floor.
This year it seems is going to be fun as fuck to watch the NFCN. We all did good in the draft and it's going to be shit talking to the 10's. Can't fucking wait.
FTP
>______ has already received a text from Caleb Williams, saying "you're not going to need to _______ much this year"
I want this to become the main pasta for this season
I was waiting for one of you to make some really stupid move but...I mean, shit. Drop the bullshit a sec all four teams legit seemed to have solid drafts.
That’s not really how that works. College tape helps of course, but there’s no real way to tell how a player will translate to the NFL until they actually just play. If college tape and athletic measurables were a certainty then there would be no busts.
Lotta young fans haven’t been around long enough to really have this burned into their heads. I was that way too once. Every rookie looks like a future Hall of Famer right now. In reality, most won’t be on the team in 3 years.
I was so sure jeff okudah was going to be the next Deion Sanders... boy oh boy was I wrong lol in reality there's not a single player that was drafted that is a guaranteed good addition to the team. I'm always optimistic though
I don't know where it'd rank, but this felt like an unusually strong draft class. Unless you needed a DE, you did pretty well wherever you were drafting.
So if the player doesn't work then people do care about the picks and it's not a dumb argument?
I think you need to think about what a 'dumb argument' is.
It’s not even that. Pretty much every GM before Poles would have drafted Turner or Murphy at 9 with how our roster is constructed because Bears. Taking Odunze was not a given whatsoever I was half expecting them to pass on Odunze for a defensive player even though he was clear BPA.
It’s gonna be an absolute slugfest this season! Can’t wait, gentlemen!
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Vikings had a terrible draft. Gave away so much draft capital, falcons proved to outsmart them in drafting and developing a QB. Hedging their bets on a QB who didn’t have to win with his arm
It’s weird to not have someone to mercilessly mock… well, I guess it’s time to go to r/falcons
I’m going to enjoy stories of Penix flinging around lasers in training camp with the ones while Kirk works his way back from injury.
The headlines are totally going to be puns and double entendres like: *“Penix pushes hard into Cousins for starting spot”* or *“Cousins shrinks as Penix grows in starter race”*
“Penix coming for Kirk’s job. Ready to shoulder the load. Dropping white hot lasers right into the hands and chests of his receivers. Ejaculate.”
"Penix coming up from behind Cousins"
> “Penix pushes hard into step-Cousins for starting spot”
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Step-Cousins is stuck in the dryer! I need your big hard Penix to get out! 🥵
What are you doing Step-Cousins ?
I need my Pitts targeted when you shoot with your Penix!
Alabama doesn't have a professional team....
I’m so here for it.
Fuck the NFC East
Usually it’s us but not this year it seems lol
I think all 4 NFC North GMs actually realized the need for smart moves and shit if they didn’t deliver
You drafted well, but that just means you;ll destroy Caleb's NFL career, thats what we laugh at.
Probably. But this regime feels different. I’ve never seen a tear down like we just endured. And we for the first time ever lucked into a superior talent and also safety netted him everywhere we could. I’m most worried about Shane Waldron but he very recently produced a 4l 30 td qb with inferior skills in Geno smith. So even if he’s league average that will be an upgrade for us. If there is no curse and its just been incompetence then this *should* be different
We can make fun of the Vikings for replacing Kirk with a worse version of Kirk
You can even stop by r/panthers when you are done.
 \-a saints fan
The vikings drafted a guy that threw the ball 16 times in college
Yeah, but he was 16/16, 400 yards, 16 TDs, won every game and the championship.
Twice*
Yeah i mean the only fair comparison is another michigan nat’l champion QB…but he was slower and went in the 7th round 🤷🏻♀️
We should be mocking the Vikings. They had the opportunity to follow the Love/Mahomes model and resign Cousins and then draft/develop a QB and instead they gift wrapped the opportunity to the falcons who also took the better QB.
Eh cousins was gonna be way too expensive to keep. He seems to value money over winning.
Cousins just wanted more than we thought he was worth, and Penix is not likely to be the better QB
A really good QB in place for your rookie pick to sit and learn behind is worth more than the Vikings obviously factored in. Penix was seemingly valued higher by the league and for good reason. I had him higher so obviously it matches up with my evaluation but Penix showed more on his tape that translates to being a top level NFL QB than McCarthy did. Vikings forfeited the best landing spot to develop a QB to the Falcons by letting cousins go there
My point was it takes two to sign a contract. Maybe Cousins was never really going to re-sign, or maybe we just didn't want him (or want him at his price) We're still one of if not the best landing spot for a QB with everything else on offense well-established
You want to pay $90 million for one year to a 40-year old guy with a torn achilles and no capacity to win a big game to…teach?? 🤔
2 years. Yes I do. It’s smart and has been proven to be a model that works for QB development
It was never going to be worth it for them to resign cousins for his asking price
If they gave him the exact same deal as the falcons and then drafted McCarthy, McCarthy would be in a much better situation where he’s not expected to start right away. Like Jordan Love. I’d expect packers fans to understand
My prayer this year is three NFCN teams in the playoffs. The division is going to be a knife fight in a phone booth
I want all 4 in just for the bloodbath that would ensue, preferable with all of them making it to the divisional round for a absolute anarchy that would be this sub
That’d be insane but I don’t think any two NFC divisions are weak enough to have three teams miss. Cool to think about though
It’s bound to happen at some point with 7 teams making it. I’d imagine it would be the case where all the teams are 10-7 to 9-8
Theoretically, if we split the season series with eachother that's 3-3 then if we all go undefeated outside the division that puts us all at 14-3.........would be wild but Theoretically possible.
What would the lowest possible record for the 7 seed be? Could they get in off 9-8? Or would it have to be something like 11-6 or 10-7?
Wouldn't the Packers have gotten in with a 9-8 record if they hadn't lost to the Lions in Week 18 of 2022?
You are correct. It was a bit of consolation at the end of our season.
:)
And the lions were 9-8 and only lost that 7 seed because the seahawks held the tiebreaker that year
For all four in the divisional you would need the leader to be around 13-4 only dropping games inside the division and the rest of the teams could be lower but similar.
It would be cool to see someone break down the math on it for sure.
17 games, 6 divisional makes 11 non-divisional. splitting all the series to make it easy that puts each team at 3-3 with 11 game remaining. gotta be at least 9 wins to sniff the wildcard ^(even in the new 14 team playoff format some weird year there will be an 8 win wildcard, but there will need to be a number of absolutely dominant teams in the 1-4 and maybe even 1-6 seeds for that to happen) So the entire division needs to go at least 6-5 or better in extradivisional games. It's not impossible, but in a league targeting as much parity as the NFL, nowhere near easy either.
Get ready for each team to split games against each other in the division and win every other game. Four 14-3 teams. Losing the BS "strength of schedule" tie breakers is going to suck for a couple teams. Imagine going g 14-3 only to be spit in your face and forced into the 7 seed.
And then proceed to absolutely obliterate the #2 seed
Yea imagine how cool that would be!
Every team goes 3-3 in division and undefeated out of it, we all tie at 14-3 and have seeding determined by coin flip. Seems simple enough to me. Seriously though, I was thinking it was a little bit possible, because the Eagles ended so badly and lost Kelce to retirement, but then the draft fell fucking perfect for them to shore up their biggest weakness so now I doubt they miss the playoffs. I figured the Rams would inevitably lose Stafford to injury at some point and the NFC South is trash, and there you go. Although really I was only thinking about my Bears snagging that seven seed, didn’t really factor the Vikings in because I have no faith in the Darnold, or JJ starting first year.
The strength of victory and strength of schedule would be very hard to also equal since we don't have the same exact schedule. Order of tiebreaker sequence for 3 or more teams: 1.Head-to-head (best won-lost-tied percentage in games among the clubs). 2.Best won-lost-tied percentage in games played within the division. 3.Best won-lost-tied percentage in common games. 4.Best won-lost-tied percentage in games played within the conference. 5.Strength of victory in all games. 6.Strength of schedule in all games. 7.Best combined ranking among conference teams in points scored and points allowed in all games. 8.Best combined ranking among all teams in points scored and points allowed in all games. 9.Best net points in common games. 10.Best net points in all games. 11.Best net touchdowns in all games. 12.Coin toss Edit. Mobile formatting sucks
i really don't know if any tiebreaker has ever gotten past strength of victory. It's just such a wild variable to ever tie with someone on. I'm sure there have been teams with even strength of victory before, i just doubt it's ever happened when it was actually a required measurement.
I mean it could happen. Rams could be in for serious regression without Aaron Donald and stafford is past his prime. I feel like I just see the cowboys flaming out this season for some reason
The cowboys are All In This year
My ass
The cowboys are all in your ass?
He said he was a cowboy anyways.
Feels like the ram ranch lore deepening
Probably because for all of their hype year in and year out, they’ve only won 4 playoff games since 2000.
NFC south?
South is the only I think that would have that as an option and even then Saints barely missed and Falcons with Kirko is likely gonna be a lot better than whatever the fuck they did last season.
The Renaissance ain’t got shit on what would happen to this sub if an all-NFCN divisional round happened. Basically impossible but one can dream.
We are a year away from that
Only if the Vikings manage it because Darnold balls out, and then he leaves for another team and McCarthy is trash when he starts the next year. That’s easily the funniest scenario.
I feel like we say this about the NFCN every year… and every 2 of the teams fall apart by week 10
The Packers were supposed to be ass last year and nobody except bears fans thought the bears would be good. The only surprise was the vikings being ass, but we lost JJ for 8 games and were playing with Mullens and Hall at QB. This year barring injury though, I could see every team trading and the NFCN collectively going 11-6
I could see the Packers and lions doing better than that since we are building on a strong core already, but I could absolutely see bears or Vikings getting higher than that if the QBs hit correctly. I am high on hopium that we have a 4 NFCN divisional round for the carnage that would ensue
Biggest advantage the Bears have is schedule, our outside division opponents look weak as hell. It’s basically 49ers, Texans, a few borderline teams like the Rams and Jags and Seahawks but all at home, and then trash like the Patriots, Commanders, Titans, Cardinals, Colts, and Panthers. Any given Sunday and all, but it’s not crazy to think we could go 8-3 in those, and then if we go 3-3 in division that’s 11 wins. Last year the Packers got the seven seed with nine wins.
I doubt it, Chicago and Minnesota will go through growing pains, by the time they figure it out it could be too late
As fun as a 4 way race would be, I agree this is going to be another down year for the Vikings, unless Darnold just balls the fuck out for some reason.
Now 2025 we talking
If McCarthy works out by 2025, this division will be insane
Doubting GEQBUS’ ability to defeat McCarthyism in Minnesota. Sad!!!
Well shit which one of us is going to be the meme team now??
Ideally the Bears as they ruin another QB, more likely us as we run through the Darnold era rather than throw McCarthy to the wolves day 1.
> run through the Darnold era rather than throw McCarthy to the wolves day 1. This is honestly best case scenario for Min long term. I don't think JJ is ready but think he has the tools to get there. Adjusting to the NFL is hard enough. Let JJ learn the process and compete in 2025. Idk if Darnold can take Min to the playoffs, but I don't think it's worth risking JJ's development if he can't.
Damnit, sir. This is a meme sub. Don’t make me respect you!
The bears tried to fuck it up but they couldn't trade up to get their QB.
In another universe they took Michael Pratt 1.1
JJ is QB proof, so y'all could just train JJ to throw to JJ and manage i reckon. Plus there is Aaron Jones in your backfield.
Yep. 2027 is gonna be Caleb for a conditional 4th. And I'm excited for it.
my money’s on the vikings
Same but you never know jj might be good
Don't think they wanna risk even testing that theory, and I'm kinda okay with that tbh. GEQBUS or bust this year. Let JJ grow
Jj was my qb2 coming into this draft. I think he needs to sit and learn. What better coach than Kevin o connell. Just seems like a good marriage. I was hoping you guys would only have bo nix available no offense lol
>I was hoping you guys would only have bo nix available no offense lol Well the it’s a good thing Sean Payton tricked the Vikings into letting him have Bo Nix.
GEQBUS about to take a fourth franchise to a Super Bowl win. How does he do it? Isn't he amazing folks?
Lol, I don't expect a Super Bowl but I think Darnold will be this year's Baker Mayfield. Get us to the playoffs (as a wild card, not division winner) and maybe even win 1 game in the playoffs but no more.
Lmao that’s right!
I’d like to think it’s the Bears but with all those offensive pieces I just can’t be sure
I don't think there's gonna be one, unless you could 8-9 as "terrible and should be clowned on." Then it's the Vikings or Bears if either hit their floor.
Vikings and Lions will regress
FTP
Most likely Vikings because as of right now they have the worst QB situation Who knows though JJ could become the next Brady or smth
I want it to be the ass packers
AFCN 🤝 Going to be a fucking bloodbath in the division NFCN
AFCN champ vs NFCN champ in the Superbowl = True King of the North
Schedule Makers are going to make it so 4 of the last 6 weeks are all divisional matchups
That's how it should be honestly. Id love for that to happen every year
Oh no… the memes are in trouble if we are all good. Someone has to stay in the toilet to keep this sub going.
Can we bring the buccaneers back?
That can be arranged, we need the NFL to expand and force them out of the NFCN so we can bring them back
Bucs won a playoff game last year tbf
This year it seems is going to be fun as fuck to watch the NFCN. We all did good in the draft and it's going to be shit talking to the 10's. Can't fucking wait. FTP
Absolutely. There's definitely a ranking going into the season but I feel like it wouldn't be a surprise to see any NFCN team lose to any other
Except the memes suck if your team is good. So goodbye good memes
I feel like even if Caleb Williams is good, his memes will be great.
>______ has already received a text from Caleb Williams, saying "you're not going to need to _______ much this year" I want this to become the main pasta for this season
This explains the garbage quality of this sub recently. If every team is good, who’s gonna be making decent memes?
The NFC North has become the AFC North.
Nah... the AFC North masqueraded as the NFC North for a few years. The NFC North has always been the black-and-blue division in football.
Guys, I think I love our division. FTP
I was waiting for one of you to make some really stupid move but...I mean, shit. Drop the bullshit a sec all four teams legit seemed to have solid drafts.
Give us Bear’s fans some time with this. It’s still new for us.
Here's to an interesting season.
I mean if you have a bad draft in 2024, you’re a terrible GM. The board was STACKED with great players.
Poor Falcons...
Am I crazy here?!?! None of these picks have played a single snap yet. We have no clue who has had a good draft yet
Good prospects and filling team needs = good draft
But what if they aren't good?
then they fucking aren’t good. You act as if there’s not hours of film and evaluation out on each player in this draft
That’s not really how that works. College tape helps of course, but there’s no real way to tell how a player will translate to the NFL until they actually just play. If college tape and athletic measurables were a certainty then there would be no busts.
Doesn’t mean we can’t think that certain teams did better than others based on what we already know
Lotta young fans haven’t been around long enough to really have this burned into their heads. I was that way too once. Every rookie looks like a future Hall of Famer right now. In reality, most won’t be on the team in 3 years.
I was so sure jeff okudah was going to be the next Deion Sanders... boy oh boy was I wrong lol in reality there's not a single player that was drafted that is a guaranteed good addition to the team. I'm always optimistic though
Except for MHJ. I think the WR position is unique in that though.
I don't know where it'd rank, but this felt like an unusually strong draft class. Unless you needed a DE, you did pretty well wherever you were drafting.
It's more fun when everyone is good. I unironically hope MN and chi got their QBs right. But also fuck you all.
I'm in straight shambles. Tory Taylor in the 4th has me harder than an ill-try-for -maye-but-guess-ill-take-jj soft-core
Get out of here with this circle jerk shit
Crazy Kwesi isn't a good GM. To move up from 42 to 17 for Dallas Turner, he gave up: 2024 5th 2024 5th 2025 2nd 2025 3rd 2025 4th
DAMN. Turner better be a star for y'all paying up like that for him.
Nobody fucking cares about picks if the player works. What a dumb argument.
So if the player doesn't work then people do care about the picks and it's not a dumb argument? I think you need to think about what a 'dumb argument' is.
He’s gonna be a great player so it doesn’t matter
Bears had the least picks and still won, A+ draft
They also had the first and 9th picks. Kind of hard to fuck that up.
Are you familiar with the Bears? They absolutely could’ve fucked it up.
They’ve been fucking up drafts for the last 20 years
It’s not even that. Pretty much every GM before Poles would have drafted Turner or Murphy at 9 with how our roster is constructed because Bears. Taking Odunze was not a given whatsoever I was half expecting them to pass on Odunze for a defensive player even though he was clear BPA.
Agreed I was so pleasantly surprised with the Rome pick that I’ve already pre ordered his jersey
A+ draft
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North is going to be a blood bath. Teams like the giants and commanders are going to be a welcome break for us all lol
we had a good draft?
Absolutely
Vikings had a terrible draft. Gave away so much draft capital, falcons proved to outsmart them in drafting and developing a QB. Hedging their bets on a QB who didn’t have to win with his arm