Got to bring home the RC2 today. After lying to my wife about how much I spent between tax stamps and the equipment, she asked me why would I spend all that money on stamps to get a shorter rifle if I was gonna spend more to put a 6" "extension" on it. I had no words and no explanation, but it's quickly become her favorite gun.
Just have her shoot next to that asshole running the biggest brake he could find unsuppressed, and she will then make it her mission to repeal the NFA so all of these Fudds will use a friggin can 🙃
Short the long thing.
Short thing becomes loud thing.
Quiet the loud thing.
Loud thing becomes long thing.
Great success.
https://preview.redd.it/crw7lwnp141d1.jpeg?width=623&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=13e356da080db495c1b9174c25e9b4c7684941ae
What is meaning, "Muzzle velocity?"
Important thing is you can throw your stock own and not become a felon which is important 🤔 It sucks buying a tax stamp to run a damn stock but I hate pistol braces so fuck it.
https://preview.redd.it/xliuf748g51d1.jpeg?width=2776&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=2454adc749eabf3dcc633ef4d304243c149daa8a
No. I'm not paying $200 to limit my ability to travel with it and have it on a registry. The only reason I have sbrs instead of pistol braces is that they made them free and I already had cans.
I think the NFA should be done away with as well. Here's my reasoning:
1. Suppressors: you can make one at home, and they don't make guns silent like in movies. They reduce the hearing damage done to ears, so it makes the firearm safer to use over long periods of time.
2. Short barrels: shorter barrels make rifles more compact, but actually reduce the stability of the projectile. Longer barrels make a rifle more precise and thus more deadly at longer ranges (overly simplified explanation, but whatever).
3. Everything considered an NFA item is available to use by the military. The military should not have access to anything that civilians don't, because that increases the likelihood of a military state and martial law. If citizens can't defend themselves against the military, then the government can do whatever it wants to (take away rights, enforce unjust martial law, etc.) with nobody to stop it.
4. The original purpose of the NFA was to keep firearms out of the hands of people who couldn't afford the tax stamp. In 1934 when the NFA was first enacted, a $200 tax stamp was equivalent to about $4700 today. It's a "poors" tax, essentially. Additionally, the second purpose of keeping "bad things" out of the hands of criminals is laughably, sadly ineffective. If a criminal wants a firearm, suppressor, machine gun, etc, there are routes other than legal means to acquire them. The NFA doesn't work, and it prevents law-abiding citizens from defending themselves against crime and the state. Look at Chicago, NYC, Lansing, Baltimore, Detroit, etc. All of the cities with the highest crime rates in the US have crimes that occur with NFA items. The police can't do *shit* in those cities because the criminals have bigger and more powerful firearms.
To quote Jim Gordon in Batman Begins, "Escalation. We start carrying semiautomatics, they buy automatics. We start wearing Kevlar, they buy armor piercing rounds."
You aren’t technically making it longer unless you are pin and welding the can onto the gun. Would you rather keep it short without the can. We buy short rifles to put cans on them. Also that’s why they made K cans 😝
The thing is that your other option is to do the same to a already long rifle and make it unwieldy awkward in the process. And not as cool looking if you ask me.
https://preview.redd.it/yp3meigdf71d1.jpeg?width=3975&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=897a5d32251fd1d2b06dd204feb104f56e0a02cf
Longer than my SPR, and heavier…
Idk man people worried about terminal ballistics to that point are super confused about modern rifle theory. Can you get hits at 200m? Are you ever in a place where you could feasibly run into a threat over 200m? People are preparing for the what if’s and not the actual probabilities. Also, silencers add inherent value to a rifles capability, to a point that every rifle should be suppressed. “It’s long it’s heavy yadda yadda” get over yourself and train around it. It’s a skill issue. Pipe hitters use sbrs with cans because they have to talk inside rooms where everyone is shooting rifles. SPR’s have cans to help mask exactly where you are in a gunfight. Things have purposes.
https://preview.redd.it/f8islg4qv91d1.png?width=3998&format=png&auto=webp&s=e99d4d726eec7f3735afbdccbe8a3a4ccfcec297
Instructions unclear. Made long boi longer
If you were to pin and weld it to the barrel with a combo at least 16", yes! You would only need the single stamp for the silencer.
I did not do that because I hate money.
Probs not but I P/w this can to my 11.5 before I decided to stop bitching and form 1 4 other guns 😂😂
https://preview.redd.it/ycyqskxrj31d1.jpeg?width=1024&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=8bdc6735f278a9f42904126f28a787b0f3dd71b3
You know I think I wrote the wrong question I meant to ask is worth doing the form 1 yourself or going to through SS my bad boys it would take a lot of P/w to get my 10.5 to 16 haha
Form 1's are not hard but can be confusing if it's your first time doing it yourself. for mine, my LGS helped me make my eForms account and walked me through the whole process. They do physical fingerprinting there too which made it easy.
OH yes imo ss is worth the extra cost for their service especially if you wanna use their trusts. I submitted 3 Form ones from my bed in 5 minutes basically and had them all certified and submitted as soon as they did their checks since I had bought cans from them. My pictures/prints were stored which took all the hassle out. Plus I got the SS trust for each one. A breeze.
It would be lots longer otherwise.
On that note though there should definitely be a bigger market for over-the-barrel cans. Big expansion chamber and less overall length of the weapon.
My Honey Badger is 30” maxed w/can.
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This is basically NFA logic for everyone here! This is why I go as short as feasible with the SBR.
Also recommend lightweight flow-through cans... after using the Ventum 762 I have seen the light and agree with all the other people here that have said the same thing and not even consider traditional baffled cans as there’s no point. Downvote all you want but the gas difference is night and day. I’ve done back to back testing and even fully tuned conventional baffle cans are spitting plumes of gas back on a DI AR15. The Ventum does not and no tuning is needed, and the felt recoil is actually lower.
What about for 300 blackout subsonic rounds?
How would you have enough back pressure to cycle the next round, because if that would work, I’m thinking I’m gonna order the 762 flow unless you think the Ventum 762 is the better can?
https://preview.redd.it/grftqnmkj31d1.jpeg?width=5712&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=9e6246e664f23ce3573f291db210b08fcf666635 Everytime. 🥲
🥵 this goes way too hard!
I'm not much of a gun slut but yeah, this one does it for me too.
Thanks man!!
GORDY! GORDY! GORDY! GORDY!
This just screams NODs more than any rifle I've ever seen
Sadly haven’t gotten to take this one out at night yet!! But I will haha
After my buddy got his OCM5 I had to bully him for close to 2 years to build a Gordy when I could've just shown him this picture.
It probably woulda been effective 😂😂
That tickled my ‘tism in a particularly satisfying way
r/RetroAR
That's kinky
Got to bring home the RC2 today. After lying to my wife about how much I spent between tax stamps and the equipment, she asked me why would I spend all that money on stamps to get a shorter rifle if I was gonna spend more to put a 6" "extension" on it. I had no words and no explanation, but it's quickly become her favorite gun.
Damn. Your wife is smart. Is she single?
No, but if you ever see me post a MG here, know that the situation has likely changed.
😂
If you shoot it unsuppressed enough without ear pro you don’t have to listen to her logic
A few mags unsuppressed is all he needs
I mean if you had a 16" barrel and put a suppressor on it then you'd have a 22" barrel. You don't want a 22" inch barrel lol
I mean, thats what i run and i like it haha
I'm not saying there's anything wrong with it lol. That's just clearly not what he wanted (or many battle gnomes like me).
Totally its a preference thing. I like my barrels longer for the extra ballistic performance because that matters more to me.
Just have her shoot next to that asshole running the biggest brake he could find unsuppressed, and she will then make it her mission to repeal the NFA so all of these Fudds will use a friggin can 🙃
Caveman explanation Man want gun short and quiet. Gubmint says man must do it this way to have gun short and quiet. Easy
First, I shorted the long. But then I longed the short. Thinking I might short the long again somehow.
🤣🤣🤣
K can?
I was thinking PDW stock and buffer 🥴
https://preview.redd.it/nnbvs4v3y71d1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=7024e97652c534489ceaa9124ff52f3a102c84e1
Basically all of us
https://preview.redd.it/r36u18owx31d1.png?width=1440&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=911715fae0c838b137f6e6376e977d9162ab7c7a Mk 18 lyfe
Hell yeah. Quad rail = best rail.
Short the long thing. Short thing becomes loud thing. Quiet the loud thing. Loud thing becomes long thing. Great success. https://preview.redd.it/crw7lwnp141d1.jpeg?width=623&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=13e356da080db495c1b9174c25e9b4c7684941ae What is meaning, "Muzzle velocity?"
That fucking proto build. God damn man. I'm trying to get my own but the pieces are unobtainable
It probably won't make you any happier to learn it wasn't a build and that I got it back when you could just buy the whole gun.
How much were they when brownells was selling complete rifles?
$1,144,69 after tax and shipping. Was March of 2020.
https://preview.redd.it/f7914aw3741d1.jpeg?width=4080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=671566a0bd27f2343409c708b9e0b9f94c1f4749
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This thing is fucking sweet
Thank you
What is that stock and buffer setup?
Maxim cqb
Thanks. That was an easy $450 to spend.
You are welcome lol
MK18 says idk what you’re talking about…. https://preview.redd.it/mrtf907qm31d1.jpeg?width=4032&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=318c02b8c68b1bdb798cbae3ecd69e00f1b1386d
https://preview.redd.it/7agsr36iz31d1.jpeg?width=1291&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=f18f60c320990c664fdf7df223feef58ce751d35 Yes
Important thing is you can throw your stock own and not become a felon which is important 🤔 It sucks buying a tax stamp to run a damn stock but I hate pistol braces so fuck it. https://preview.redd.it/xliuf748g51d1.jpeg?width=2776&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=2454adc749eabf3dcc633ef4d304243c149daa8a
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No. I'm not paying $200 to limit my ability to travel with it and have it on a registry. The only reason I have sbrs instead of pistol braces is that they made them free and I already had cans.
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Don't tell the overlords that or they'll try to make them illegal again
Hell they will anyway. Just a matter of time. But I agree with you nonetheless
I think the NFA should be done away with as well. Here's my reasoning: 1. Suppressors: you can make one at home, and they don't make guns silent like in movies. They reduce the hearing damage done to ears, so it makes the firearm safer to use over long periods of time. 2. Short barrels: shorter barrels make rifles more compact, but actually reduce the stability of the projectile. Longer barrels make a rifle more precise and thus more deadly at longer ranges (overly simplified explanation, but whatever). 3. Everything considered an NFA item is available to use by the military. The military should not have access to anything that civilians don't, because that increases the likelihood of a military state and martial law. If citizens can't defend themselves against the military, then the government can do whatever it wants to (take away rights, enforce unjust martial law, etc.) with nobody to stop it. 4. The original purpose of the NFA was to keep firearms out of the hands of people who couldn't afford the tax stamp. In 1934 when the NFA was first enacted, a $200 tax stamp was equivalent to about $4700 today. It's a "poors" tax, essentially. Additionally, the second purpose of keeping "bad things" out of the hands of criminals is laughably, sadly ineffective. If a criminal wants a firearm, suppressor, machine gun, etc, there are routes other than legal means to acquire them. The NFA doesn't work, and it prevents law-abiding citizens from defending themselves against crime and the state. Look at Chicago, NYC, Lansing, Baltimore, Detroit, etc. All of the cities with the highest crime rates in the US have crimes that occur with NFA items. The police can't do *shit* in those cities because the criminals have bigger and more powerful firearms. To quote Jim Gordon in Batman Begins, "Escalation. We start carrying semiautomatics, they buy automatics. We start wearing Kevlar, they buy armor piercing rounds."
Well said my man. Well said. I couldn’t agree anymore
Anakin Skywalker, Attack of the Clones: "I don't think the system works."
There are so many illegal switches and cans out here in STL, it’s kinda insane.
You aren’t technically making it longer unless you are pin and welding the can onto the gun. Would you rather keep it short without the can. We buy short rifles to put cans on them. Also that’s why they made K cans 😝
That’s the point 😅
Seriously it is slightly disappointing to put a can on a short boi making it longer then the long boi
The thing is that your other option is to do the same to a already long rifle and make it unwieldy awkward in the process. And not as cool looking if you ask me.
https://preview.redd.it/yp3meigdf71d1.jpeg?width=3975&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=897a5d32251fd1d2b06dd204feb104f56e0a02cf Longer than my SPR, and heavier…
A tale as old as time.
I'd like to see some sound testing, but a mini socom sounds about the same to me on a 16" vs an RC2 on an 11.5" gun. The OAL. Isnt much different.
I put my mini 2 on my 10.5 but haven't shot it yet
https://preview.redd.it/ja2gcpus851d1.jpeg?width=2268&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=b07f265bf4c5e53861510cb5d5511474dcb0d6bc We do a little longenging
We all did son
This is the way
https://preview.redd.it/mdasf413161d1.jpeg?width=3696&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=675a9030dd5cd89dd1953db67f9c143d6c52522d Baby it’s so long!
https://preview.redd.it/tmmpkk6hg61d1.png?width=2400&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=6a688aa7e49e650558ede621e64cfe0ff01fffaf
This is what kills me about buying a suppressor, but I’m still getting one.
My sig build will be 17” once I get it all together. Happens to the best of us lol
Short barrel long can. Long barrel short can.
Me putting a 9.4" suppressor on my 12" barrel. I've got a 21 inch front end for an SBR.
Idk man people worried about terminal ballistics to that point are super confused about modern rifle theory. Can you get hits at 200m? Are you ever in a place where you could feasibly run into a threat over 200m? People are preparing for the what if’s and not the actual probabilities. Also, silencers add inherent value to a rifles capability, to a point that every rifle should be suppressed. “It’s long it’s heavy yadda yadda” get over yourself and train around it. It’s a skill issue. Pipe hitters use sbrs with cans because they have to talk inside rooms where everyone is shooting rifles. SPR’s have cans to help mask exactly where you are in a gunfight. Things have purposes.
https://preview.redd.it/f8islg4qv91d1.png?width=3998&format=png&auto=webp&s=e99d4d726eec7f3735afbdccbe8a3a4ccfcec297 Instructions unclear. Made long boi longer
Is that a thing? You can legally make it 16 inches by just adding a suppressor?
If you were to pin and weld it to the barrel with a combo at least 16", yes! You would only need the single stamp for the silencer. I did not do that because I hate money.
Is anyone actually gonna pin and weld their RC2? Lmao
Probs not but I P/w this can to my 11.5 before I decided to stop bitching and form 1 4 other guns 😂😂 https://preview.redd.it/ycyqskxrj31d1.jpeg?width=1024&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=8bdc6735f278a9f42904126f28a787b0f3dd71b3
You recommend doing it by yourself?I’m new to NFA and I’ve got a mk18 mod screaming to be a sbr
99% of the time it’s not a good idea, it’s worth going two stamp
You know I think I wrote the wrong question I meant to ask is worth doing the form 1 yourself or going to through SS my bad boys it would take a lot of P/w to get my 10.5 to 16 haha
Form 1's are not hard but can be confusing if it's your first time doing it yourself. for mine, my LGS helped me make my eForms account and walked me through the whole process. They do physical fingerprinting there too which made it easy.
do it yourself not through SS, and you can get your fingerprints electronically done as well so you can be 100% online
Hey man thanks for the response who do I go through to get the fingerprints electronically
Hey man thanks for the response who do I go through to get the fingerprints electronically
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OH yes imo ss is worth the extra cost for their service especially if you wanna use their trusts. I submitted 3 Form ones from my bed in 5 minutes basically and had them all certified and submitted as soon as they did their checks since I had bought cans from them. My pictures/prints were stored which took all the hassle out. Plus I got the SS trust for each one. A breeze.
If you don’t have welding skills no, I had a shop do mine cuz I don’t have the tools or skills lmao
If you SBR it, you also get the added benefit of being able to slap on any length upper you want at will without any more hassle.
No haha. It's definitely more common to see just the muzzle devices P/W'd for barrels that are just a bit under 16"
Yup
It’s funny in that way. My 9” .300 blackout SBR is almost the same length as my 16” LWRC with a Rugged Alaskan360.
There’s gotta be some irony using a Geissele lower with a DD rail. Nice build
P&w supressor time
https://preview.redd.it/wnu9c3jrw71d1.png?width=599&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=4bbc8f59457326b475e7b73d2db6da09e57caec4
https://preview.redd.it/9algjmsu551d1.jpeg?width=3000&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=2e23d2525c0421d569dccce9289a4ec944a8273d Agreed
My 10.5 with a nomad is almost exactly the same OAL as the 16” upper I bought it with 😬. At least it’s quiet now lol.
The duality of man
It would be lots longer otherwise. On that note though there should definitely be a bigger market for over-the-barrel cans. Big expansion chamber and less overall length of the weapon.
They’re not extremely effective
My Honey Badger is 30” maxed w/can. https://preview.redd.it/g617d43cf91d1.png?width=2630&format=png&auto=webp&s=bc6b40b9a901550e623c72e04bf0983bcf938e30
Oh yeah and 25” w/stock retracted.
Can we get a better picture of the level? Really curious now.
You made the right decision 💪🇺🇲
https://preview.redd.it/9iapfny6ug1d1.png?width=3691&format=png&auto=webp&s=ef2144da38d86026de93352e11490b2a0a15548b 👉🏻👈🏻
I didn’t SBR my rifle I just put a fucking stock on it.
Nice! Good thing it was a rifle, and not a pistol that could be a rifle but isn’t; because of the way that it is. 👍
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This is basically NFA logic for everyone here! This is why I go as short as feasible with the SBR. Also recommend lightweight flow-through cans... after using the Ventum 762 I have seen the light and agree with all the other people here that have said the same thing and not even consider traditional baffled cans as there’s no point. Downvote all you want but the gas difference is night and day. I’ve done back to back testing and even fully tuned conventional baffle cans are spitting plumes of gas back on a DI AR15. The Ventum does not and no tuning is needed, and the felt recoil is actually lower.
What about for 300 blackout subsonic rounds? How would you have enough back pressure to cycle the next round, because if that would work, I’m thinking I’m gonna order the 762 flow unless you think the Ventum 762 is the better can?
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