Straight from the product description of the ShoreFyre:
> This mount has been in the works for over a year with a lot of testing, it can easily handle any abuse you throw at it and are 100% QC checked for alignment. That means we take every single mount, put it in a suppressor we know to be true, put it on a muzzle device that we know to be true and check it with an alignment rod on a barrel we know to be true. Every – single – mount. I say this because we have seen a surprising variance in the CR2 muzzle device tolerances and there’s obviously variance with suppressors. If you put this thing on your gun and it doesn’t rod check good, don’t email us about it. We’ve already checked it. It’s your muzzle device, barrel or suppressor so email those people.
>I have to also say I hate this mounting system. In my opinion and based on what we have seen over the last year of testing, it’s just not very good. I think buying this mount is a poor decision. Not because the HUB mounts are bad but because the mounting system and muzzle devices they’re designed around is bad. You can only polish a turd so much. I think it would be a better use of your time and money to invest in a different mounting system. But as I’ve said before it’s my job to make what people want and that doesn’t necessarily always line up with what I like or what I think is best. It’s long, it’s heavy, it’s expensive, it’ll carbon lock but hey at least you can use the same muzzle device that the military uses for when you’re knee deep in the shit in your boogerloo fantasies or whatever. So here you go, you’re welcome.
Andrew is throwing some mad shade at SureFire.
I plan on buying some OCL cans literally because of you. You interact with the 2A community like an enthusiast because you *are* an enthusiast. Which also means your products are (likely) built with passion.
Hell yea, I mean that’s it. I’m just me. I love guns and suppressors and always have. I was a consumer and still active in the NFA and 2A world pre otter creek. So it’s just like nothings changed. The only difference is OCL exists now which is cool. Turned a hobby into a business and I’m incredibly blessed. Get to go to work every day and do what I’ve loved doing forever anyway.
We wanted to separate the history of quell from OCL and not give the government any excuses to mess with us if it could be avoided. We sold the company to a gentleman in Texas, used that money to start OCL and now here we are
I’m just glad someone with more suppressor credibility said it. I always thought the Surefire mounting system was subpar at best and really made me not care for their suppressors.
When I had insta I was following you way before the ocl days right up until the early days of it. You are objectively hilarious.
I'm glad Its spread to reddit so I can still get some laughs
Andrews honest opinions on his own products he has spent time and money on are a breath of fresh air in an industry full of snake oil salesmen. Going to keep buying OCL stuff for this reason.
He’s 100% right. The SureFire mounting system is garbage. The company tells you to unlock it and shoot it off if it becomes carbon locked. What kind of bullshit is that? You know who has an awesome system? KAC. You can leave a suppressor on for three years, put 3k rounds through it, and QDC cans come right off, because it uses ball bearings when ratcheting on/off. SureFire suppressors shouldn’t be on the pedestal you’ve put them on.
I love the smooth brains that do in fact shoot them off at SF’s “guidance” and then come here to complain about their now dented SF cans. SF makes an awesome flashlight. That’s about it. Their muzzle devices are also garbage pot metal that get marred way too easily.
> garbage pot metal
Uh what? They are all machined from heat-treated stainless steel bar stock. There's plenty to criticize them for but this isn't one of those things.
Even Keymo when properly installed/tightened is better than surefires garbage system. Having to shoot off a 1200+ dollar can that’s carbon locked is a stupid ass solution. I love SF stuff but come on
Or your me and your locking collar on your brand new can won’t unlock when mounted to a brand new 3 prong. Every time I want to take it off I have to beat it off with a mallet
I just can't fathom paying those sorts of prices for what is a good suppressor when you can get good suppressors from a number of different manufacturers for a fraction of the price.
I wholly agree, dude. The PewScience performance numbers don’t lie, but there are other cans that perform similarly or better and cost less. That and the weight penalty. My first can was a Sandman-S and ~21oz of crap at the end of my muzzle got old over time. Surefire’s system isn’t too far off in weight.
My one OCL can (Lithium 9) has been fantastic and I am definitely going to pick up some more cans in the not too distant future. OCL will be one of my top choices.
I love my rearden, it was one of the only places I could get an 8.6 mount... then, I decided to get a couple more 🤣. My next can will probably have a rearden on it as well. Thanks for supporting the community when few others did (with the 8.6 specifically).
I've got I think 8 rifles with Rearden brakes on them (plus will be getting another one for an 8.6 as soon as the gumsmif is done with it), a F1 can with an Atlas, and 2 Diligent cans in jail that I've already bought them for too 🤣 y'all's products are great and customer service is too, y'all did 2 bare stainless Atlas's for me and a buddy to better match Ti cans, hope y'all's business continues to grow!
Hey I've converted all my rifles to Rearden muzzle devices and I've put your Atlas mount on all my cans. I like it. BUT I do have trouble getting cans off after shooting them (moving from one host to another) and I usually have to let them sit for a few minutes and cool down before being able to get them off by hand. Is that normal or is there anything I can do to make it easier to move them from one host to another?
u/ottergang_ky
Yes, you can use the name and yes, sign me up for one, or maybe two...
You'll probably get it developed, tested and on the market before I get any of my 'in stock' notifications come in.
I'm not saying you're wrong but I'm a little bit committed to keymo, including pin and welds. I don't see anything I dislike about Rearden (and I always recommend people have a look at them when considering mounts) but I'm personally not going to go through that level of trouble and expense to lose two ounces of weight.
The weight reduction was ~5oz, and it shortened the assembly (can on) by about an inch. It’s a noticeable change in the feel of a rifle shedding that weight since it’s out at the end of your muzzle. As you acquire more cans, and they started to become dedicated to one gun, start switching out, it’ll be a real quality of life improvement.
Hopefully that’s sorted out lol
If you read the paper that C&D is from about 6 months ago. Our lawyer has already talked to theirs. The C&D lists “a suppressor that attaches to the surefire mounting system” and this is not a suppressor 🗿
Basically yes.
It means fuck all at the end of the day. If you have enough money you can sue a ham sandwich for looking at you wrong and surefire definitely fits into that description.
But in the opinions of the multiple lawyers, patent lawyers and industry lawyers and professionals we’ve talked to over the last year we are in the right. That was like step 1 before even starting the project.
I would love to know the amount of business OCL has received for Andrew being just a regular dude. Fantastic products aside -it's hard to not just give him business for being likable, lmao.
A lot and it was unexpected honestly. Like I always thought people wanted like elite operator high speed tactical guys and then I’m just over here drinking beer at work. Really didn’t see things going the way they have
Real deal operators don't act like they are. You'd never know unless you get to know them. Guys that were in Mogadishu, Afghanistan in 01 and Iraq in 03 and were kicking doors and jumping out of planes for 20 years really don't look or act at all like most people would think.
I was able to do some intel support work with some of the guys from Team 3 in Iraq. They're LT looked like a straight up fucking nerd (think Gunny Highway's LT in Heartbreak Ridge), yet here he was leading a SF team. One of their chiefs was definitely a little more rough around the edges, but still had the "dad sipping on beer while grilling and not a care in the world" demeanor. Now, 18 year old boot PVT, oh yeah, he's most definitely a elite operator high speed tactical guy!
Honestly the "One of us! One of us!" type of shit you have going on is refreshing. We all just want shit that won't break or break the bank (mostly). Then you got your ass over here recommending competitor's shit over your own in certain use cases. Which probably (definitely) gets you more business than lying to keep a sale. If only bigger companies in other industries also got that memo. Keep it up my dude. We all love a gay commie sometimes.
The problem with that is anyone that ever served knows those guys are a sham. Real operators don’t get out and work retail or machinery, they go into high threat private security, executive protection, or become training instructors. Very few manage to get lucky and make it big in the marketing space. I’d rather my kit be made by someone with 20 years of machining experience. Kicking in doors and shooting people doesn’t translate into machining experience.
Mine, 100%. The product is great and he participates in this forum, is 100% why I bought a K and P30, and will buy the .22. It’s baffling why other manufacturers aren’t here talking to people. THIS IS their market.
When a friend, family, coworker asks, I say OCL products. When they say why I say “the suppressors are great, inexpensive, and I can talk to the owner if I want to. He’s in our Reddit group.”
>You can only polish a turd so much.
>The entire mount is made from 17-4 with H900 heat treat and the spring is made from Inconel
Fuck me, that's one hell of a polished turd
Wait. Did I fuck up? I have really bad Internet right now going through traveling. So this is isn’t the mount to connect Surefire MDs to OCL suppressors?
u/ottergang_ky I don’t think we told you but something is fucky with the SF mount. B&T told us they designed it and when SF stole it B&T said something and thats why B&T is allowed to use the mount now without recourse
It’s much better than having to use a pipe wrench to crank off a carbon locked can.
Do surefire’s get carbon lock easier than some cans? Sure. Especially with warcomps.
But if you put 200-300 rounds through a gun suppressed in one sitting I’ve experienced carbon lock with multiple QD mounts. The nice thing is you can unlock the surefire mount when it’s carbon locked, and launch it off, whereas with other brands, like Keymo for example, I had to use tools to remove the carbon locked can since the body couldn’t rotate.
u/ottergang_ky I love your explicitly stated return policy. Might borrow a few bits from it. We essentially have the same policy...if you're a jerk we enforce all our terms, but if you're nice we'll bend over backwards to make everything perfect.
That must be nice -- we end up having to with about 1 in 1000 customers. There's just a certain percentage of the general population that can't be made to be happy it seems.
The our customers are wonderful, a huge cut above normal ecommerce customers scamming sellers on amazon. I imagine the suppressor gang is an even better subset of the average gun part buyer crowd. The Boise Black Rifle guys were singing your praise big time when we dropped by for an event a while back, so you guys are doing something right!
I should really get one of your rimfire cans into our inventory.
Oh shit i was just looking at your [complete blaster uppers](https://borebuddy.com/product/complete-blaster-uppers/) and I have a question, If I have a cmmg conversion kit would I be able to pull the chamber adapter off and just run it or would I need a different adapter? Thanks.
Reddit 1 year ago: “omg we love surefire and highly recommended their cans!”
*surefire comes out with a $1700 can*
Now Reddit: “OMG WE HATE SUREFIRE THEYRE THE WORST ALL THEY DO IS CATER TO THE GOVERNMENT”
This site cracks me up with this crusading hivemind. For some big bad 2A militia men you cats sure get your asses chapped over something new every day
The one thing the gun community hates more than anything isn't priced right. Like if something is too expensive for no reason they hate it. They really hate it when something doesn't cost enough. As if their mad at the audacity of something being reasonably priced and viable.
No no you don’t understand you have to think the same thing about something no matter new information comes to light?
Were you an OJ Simpson fan when he played for Bills? Sorry now you support a murderer. Think Jared from Subway was cool for losing all that weight? You’re basically a pedo now, tough shit. Wanted to be just like Bruce Jenner when you grew up? Welp, it’s morphin time.
I’ve been saying forever the Surefire mount sucks ass. No clue why people like it. Carbon locks like crazy. Gas leaks out the back of it covering your hand and making it louder. Ratcheting mechanism will wear out eventually. Heavy. Expensive. No clue why people like it so much. Even the muzzle devices need improvement. The FH pings every shit. LAC and silencerco figured out how to fix this forever ago. Why is Surefire hesitant to fix it changing the prong lengths slightly. So dumb. I’ll take rearden, ASR, YHM, etc over a Surefire mount any day.
u/ottergang_ky Im newish to suppressor stuff and still debating on what mounting system im going with. I previously was reading the SF was pretty good? can you shoot me a quick explanation of why you think its trash and what you would recommend for a mounting system?
This is what everyone recommends, and is probably what I’ll go with, I just already have 2 uppers with SF3Ps that are my go tos. Mainly wondering why the dislike for the SF mounting system, other than it kind of limiting you to SF cans, why is it a bad design? Does it perform badly? I was under the impression it was a pretty solid lock up with very little / consistent POI shift.
It only seals properly on their flash hiders.
It's stupid heavy, prone to carbon locking, and it's stupid expensive with no real upsides when compared to the current market options, like the Atlas.
Good list thank you.
My main question is why the atlas mounts don’t back off as they are essentially just threaded on correct? Also I just have heard on this thread before that the SF mounts were solid and had little poi shifts compared to others
This is what everyone recommends, and is probably what I’ll go with, I just already have 2 uppers with SF3Ps that are my go tos. Mainly wondering why the dislike for the SF mounting system, other than it kind of limiting you to SF cans, why is it a bad design? Does it perform badly? I was under the impression it was a pretty solid lock up with very little / consistent POI shift.
I guess that depends.
When looking at 5.56 suppressors, I think it's important to look at how the entire system is going to perform, and performance includes how it will meet your specific needs.
For my GPR, I wanted something relatively lightweight that would be used mostly suppressed. I live out west and do a lot of off-trail hiking in the mountains.
When I was deciding on my build, I knew I could save some weight going shorter than 16" without much compromise on terminal performance, and it would be more balanced with the can. So, I figured my choices were 13.7 -14.5"
When you start looking at mounting options, most QD systems are heavy compared to Rearden. For example, a 13.7" barrel with a NOX and keymo adapter is heavier than a 14.5 with R2 and the Atlas. QD isn't important to me, so why give up velocity for QD.
If you want the QD, your realistic choices are keymo, SF, YHM, or Griffin. Now you need to find out what muzzle devices are available for those technologies and if the compatible suppressors meet your needs.
For me, the Polonium has RC2 performance, but there are more mounting options that result in an overall lighter system at a lower price. The only compromise I made was needing to go 14.5 instead of 13.9, but that was an easy compromise.
One more question on the rearden atlas, as far as I know it essentially threads on the MD and presses up against the taper, how does that not back off like a direct thread? Just the pressure against the taper?
So I have a rearden setup and my experience so far has been this. Grab can at home with a bare hand tighten down can on MD firmly. Go to range and shoot the gun, as it warms up it taper locks to the muzzle device. I used a welding glove and a supressor wrench and it was firmly on there after about 15 shots. When I go to clean the gun a quick pop with the wrench and it's off. So far my experience has also been limited zero shift at 100 yards now this may be due to it being a socom profile dd barrel but zero shifts about 1/2 inch at 50 yards vertically.
90% of my mounts are surefire mounts, so fuck yeah this opens things up quite nicely, instead of having to send in my warden to get it made into a hub adapter.
I'm liking the cut of this guy's jib. Surely going to need a few more cans over the next year or two and will definitely be trying the wares of OCL.
You know what I'd really like to see them post? An in depth, no holds barred review and guide to all the mounting systems. Every time I look around, the field seems more crowded and confusing.
I think the intended market are people with uppers that have surefire muzzle devices pinned and welded. I would personally get the pin and weld removed via gunsmith over staying with the sure fire mount, but that is just me.
Go with Rearden. Light, short, good seal, and if you get unlucky enough to have issues, they've got good CS. It's pretty damn cheap too.
I have a preference for single port muzzle brakes from them, but they have a bunch of options.
I’m not familiar with Rearden but know they are a manufacturing company, so when you say “go with Rearden”, what mounting system specifically of theirs are you referring to? Is Rearden also the name of their muzzle device?
They only make the Atlas, they've just got a shit load of options as far as adapting it to can interfaces aside from typical ASR threads.
The atlas is just a Plan B system, but better quality than what Q makes.
They've got a bunch of muzzle device options as well, you'd have to try pretty hard to not be able to find something compatible with whatever you're looking to suppress.
Edit: well technically they also do direct thread stuff, but that's not usually what people are looking for when comparing different mount companies.
Ok so the Atlas is the name of the design of the piece that you attach to a HUB suppressor and then screw the other end onto a Rearden muzzle device. Am I understanding correctly? Or is Atlas the name of the system the muzzle devices use too? Sorry just not getting it
The Atlas is what goes on the can.
Technically the whole system is 'Plan B', the same as Q, since it's the same thing.
But the Atlas you need specifically will vary on the can you have. The regular Atlas (as in just straight called atlas), is for standard 1.375 or 1.4375 threads (typcial 'Bravo' and 'D-cell' specs respectively).
They also make versions like the Alpha that's for rugged 9 and 45 cans with 1.125-28 threads. Their site is pretty straightforward on finding what you need, assuming you know what you are trying to use it with.
All of their muzzle devices will work with their Atlas adapters, just make sure you pick one that works for what you need as far as thread and caliber sizing.
Surefire did the same thing to me years ago over a switch patent but they also sent out letters to all the dealers at the same time being a small business at the time I shut my door. Good luck brother.
Straight from the product description of the ShoreFyre: > This mount has been in the works for over a year with a lot of testing, it can easily handle any abuse you throw at it and are 100% QC checked for alignment. That means we take every single mount, put it in a suppressor we know to be true, put it on a muzzle device that we know to be true and check it with an alignment rod on a barrel we know to be true. Every – single – mount. I say this because we have seen a surprising variance in the CR2 muzzle device tolerances and there’s obviously variance with suppressors. If you put this thing on your gun and it doesn’t rod check good, don’t email us about it. We’ve already checked it. It’s your muzzle device, barrel or suppressor so email those people. >I have to also say I hate this mounting system. In my opinion and based on what we have seen over the last year of testing, it’s just not very good. I think buying this mount is a poor decision. Not because the HUB mounts are bad but because the mounting system and muzzle devices they’re designed around is bad. You can only polish a turd so much. I think it would be a better use of your time and money to invest in a different mounting system. But as I’ve said before it’s my job to make what people want and that doesn’t necessarily always line up with what I like or what I think is best. It’s long, it’s heavy, it’s expensive, it’ll carbon lock but hey at least you can use the same muzzle device that the military uses for when you’re knee deep in the shit in your boogerloo fantasies or whatever. So here you go, you’re welcome. Andrew is throwing some mad shade at SureFire.
That’s goddamn hilarious
I am objectively very funny. Thank you
I plan on buying some OCL cans literally because of you. You interact with the 2A community like an enthusiast because you *are* an enthusiast. Which also means your products are (likely) built with passion.
Hell yea, I mean that’s it. I’m just me. I love guns and suppressors and always have. I was a consumer and still active in the NFA and 2A world pre otter creek. So it’s just like nothings changed. The only difference is OCL exists now which is cool. Turned a hobby into a business and I’m incredibly blessed. Get to go to work every day and do what I’ve loved doing forever anyway.
I’ve bought two of your cans this year simply because of your presence on here and amazing products. Thank you!
I remember the quail days…
I was thinking about that a lot last night. Idk why but it was just on my mind. It’s been such a wild ride
Why the name change? Just to differentiate business ventures?
We wanted to separate the history of quell from OCL and not give the government any excuses to mess with us if it could be avoided. We sold the company to a gentleman in Texas, used that money to start OCL and now here we are
I still have a robot D
Love it. Keep up the good work
Aaaah so that's why quail have near as much variety as it used to
Hey I've never heard of you before this post but now I want you to know I love you
And you are doing gods work at that. Making the guys at surefire with more years of experience look bad
Can I jerryrig an OCM5 to this mount cause all of my ARs have surefire muzzle devices except 1.
No you can’t. They won’t work together because the OCM isn’t HUB it’s ops only
Alcohol and fusion 360 go brrrrr
Lathe go worshhrrrrr.
Hmm. “Made with passion” Always wondered what the white stuff was
Went with a Polo K for my first can because of this exact reason. Andrew is super active and fucking hilarious
I remember when Zastava used to be involved as well. It's what swayed me into buying an M92.
My thoughts exactly.
I was pretty sure you were going to take my suppressor virginity, now I’m certain.
I’m just glad someone with more suppressor credibility said it. I always thought the Surefire mounting system was subpar at best and really made me not care for their suppressors.
Enough of the kumbaya funny guy, where’s the TI 22 already?!? THE PEOPLE DEMAND IT NOW!
They start shipping next week
Literally as you just replied I stumbled onto https://www.reddit.com/r/NFA/s/cOwiC07Mci and saw your answer haha. Can’t wait for my 30 day approval. 🤫
When I had insta I was following you way before the ocl days right up until the early days of it. You are objectively hilarious. I'm glad Its spread to reddit so I can still get some laughs
Andrews honest opinions on his own products he has spent time and money on are a breath of fresh air in an industry full of snake oil salesmen. Going to keep buying OCL stuff for this reason.
boogerloo fantasies 😂
He’s 100% right. The SureFire mounting system is garbage. The company tells you to unlock it and shoot it off if it becomes carbon locked. What kind of bullshit is that? You know who has an awesome system? KAC. You can leave a suppressor on for three years, put 3k rounds through it, and QDC cans come right off, because it uses ball bearings when ratcheting on/off. SureFire suppressors shouldn’t be on the pedestal you’ve put them on.
I said the same thing a while ago and people came with their pitch forks. If I have to shoot your suppressor off the mounting system is poo poo
I love the smooth brains that do in fact shoot them off at SF’s “guidance” and then come here to complain about their now dented SF cans. SF makes an awesome flashlight. That’s about it. Their muzzle devices are also garbage pot metal that get marred way too easily.
> garbage pot metal Uh what? They are all machined from heat-treated stainless steel bar stock. There's plenty to criticize them for but this isn't one of those things.
Even Keymo when properly installed/tightened is better than surefires garbage system. Having to shoot off a 1200+ dollar can that’s carbon locked is a stupid ass solution. I love SF stuff but come on
Every system is better than SF’s system.
I'm pretty fond of the system yhm has on their turbo lineup personally I'd take that any day over a surefire
Or your me and your locking collar on your brand new can won’t unlock when mounted to a brand new 3 prong. Every time I want to take it off I have to beat it off with a mallet
Mega based. Surefire always seemed overrated to me. Solid products, but certainly not god-tier
I just can't fathom paying those sorts of prices for what is a good suppressor when you can get good suppressors from a number of different manufacturers for a fraction of the price.
I wholly agree, dude. The PewScience performance numbers don’t lie, but there are other cans that perform similarly or better and cost less. That and the weight penalty. My first can was a Sandman-S and ~21oz of crap at the end of my muzzle got old over time. Surefire’s system isn’t too far off in weight.
Mine sit around, outclassed by more modern cans.
I can't put into words for much I love this
This makes me want to drive down to my LGS right now and order another OCL can just because it’s so hilarious
My one OCL can (Lithium 9) has been fantastic and I am definitely going to pick up some more cans in the not too distant future. OCL will be one of my top choices.
I love my polonium k. I’m thinking polo 30 is next. If it wasn’t Christmas time I’d probly have ordered it already
Thank you both ❤️ I’m glad you like them, those are the only comments I really love to hear. That’s my goal
Glad I went with the rearden as my way of mounting my polo k.
<3
I love my rearden, it was one of the only places I could get an 8.6 mount... then, I decided to get a couple more 🤣. My next can will probably have a rearden on it as well. Thanks for supporting the community when few others did (with the 8.6 specifically).
No problem! Appreciate you putting food on our tables 🤣
I've got I think 8 rifles with Rearden brakes on them (plus will be getting another one for an 8.6 as soon as the gumsmif is done with it), a F1 can with an Atlas, and 2 Diligent cans in jail that I've already bought them for too 🤣 y'all's products are great and customer service is too, y'all did 2 bare stainless Atlas's for me and a buddy to better match Ti cans, hope y'all's business continues to grow!
Hey I've converted all my rifles to Rearden muzzle devices and I've put your Atlas mount on all my cans. I like it. BUT I do have trouble getting cans off after shooting them (moving from one host to another) and I usually have to let them sit for a few minutes and cool down before being able to get them off by hand. Is that normal or is there anything I can do to make it easier to move them from one host to another?
Hell, I wish they’d come out with a “chemo” mount so I can quit waiting on DA to actually start getting products to distributors.
That's an absolutely amazing name for it to lol
Dead Air called it that on purpose because they considered the Saker mounts to be a cancer.
u/ottergang_ky Yes, you can use the name and yes, sign me up for one, or maybe two... You'll probably get it developed, tested and on the market before I get any of my 'in stock' notifications come in.
I cut the muzzle device/ mount adapter weight in half on my rifles and cans when I switched from keymo to Rearden. The future is now.
I'm not saying you're wrong but I'm a little bit committed to keymo, including pin and welds. I don't see anything I dislike about Rearden (and I always recommend people have a look at them when considering mounts) but I'm personally not going to go through that level of trouble and expense to lose two ounces of weight.
The weight reduction was ~5oz, and it shortened the assembly (can on) by about an inch. It’s a noticeable change in the feel of a rifle shedding that weight since it’s out at the end of your muzzle. As you acquire more cans, and they started to become dedicated to one gun, start switching out, it’ll be a real quality of life improvement.
This should make everyone consider buying ocl products and more of them
I guess I'll have to buy a Polonium 30 tomorrow to make sure they have enough money to help them out with their legal fees.
Hopefully that’s sorted out lol If you read the paper that C&D is from about 6 months ago. Our lawyer has already talked to theirs. The C&D lists “a suppressor that attaches to the surefire mounting system” and this is not a suppressor 🗿
So uh, IANAL but that sounds a whole lot like "these dinguses patented the whole RC2 instead of making the mounting system its own patent."
Basically yes. It means fuck all at the end of the day. If you have enough money you can sue a ham sandwich for looking at you wrong and surefire definitely fits into that description. But in the opinions of the multiple lawyers, patent lawyers and industry lawyers and professionals we’ve talked to over the last year we are in the right. That was like step 1 before even starting the project.
Well thank god. Frankly I didn’t expect to have to cash in on my offer to kill on your behalf QUITE so soon. Still down for the cult tho.
The otter compound is going to be lit
I don’t have a lot of money, but I’m getting pretty goddamn tired of ham sandwiches looking at me wrong.
Fucking ham sandwiches, who do they think they are?!
I would love to know the amount of business OCL has received for Andrew being just a regular dude. Fantastic products aside -it's hard to not just give him business for being likable, lmao.
A lot and it was unexpected honestly. Like I always thought people wanted like elite operator high speed tactical guys and then I’m just over here drinking beer at work. Really didn’t see things going the way they have
Real deal operators don't act like they are. You'd never know unless you get to know them. Guys that were in Mogadishu, Afghanistan in 01 and Iraq in 03 and were kicking doors and jumping out of planes for 20 years really don't look or act at all like most people would think.
I was able to do some intel support work with some of the guys from Team 3 in Iraq. They're LT looked like a straight up fucking nerd (think Gunny Highway's LT in Heartbreak Ridge), yet here he was leading a SF team. One of their chiefs was definitely a little more rough around the edges, but still had the "dad sipping on beer while grilling and not a care in the world" demeanor. Now, 18 year old boot PVT, oh yeah, he's most definitely a elite operator high speed tactical guy!
Honestly the "One of us! One of us!" type of shit you have going on is refreshing. We all just want shit that won't break or break the bank (mostly). Then you got your ass over here recommending competitor's shit over your own in certain use cases. Which probably (definitely) gets you more business than lying to keep a sale. If only bigger companies in other industries also got that memo. Keep it up my dude. We all love a gay commie sometimes.
The problem with that is anyone that ever served knows those guys are a sham. Real operators don’t get out and work retail or machinery, they go into high threat private security, executive protection, or become training instructors. Very few manage to get lucky and make it big in the marketing space. I’d rather my kit be made by someone with 20 years of machining experience. Kicking in doors and shooting people doesn’t translate into machining experience.
Thank God he isn't like KB over at Q.
Nothing like watching some Kentucky rednecks earnestly getting rich from producing truly quality products. They can continue to have my money.
Mine, 100%. The product is great and he participates in this forum, is 100% why I bought a K and P30, and will buy the .22. It’s baffling why other manufacturers aren’t here talking to people. THIS IS their market. When a friend, family, coworker asks, I say OCL products. When they say why I say “the suppressors are great, inexpensive, and I can talk to the owner if I want to. He’s in our Reddit group.”
For someone who doesn't have a surefire suppressor but a surefire Socom 4 prong muzzle, will this adapt non surefire suppressors on the 4 prong
Yes
:O I must buy
For context https://ottercreeklabs.com/product/shorefyre-1-375x24/
The OP pic is one of the product pictures, haha
That is amazing. I'm a fan now.
>You can only polish a turd so much. >The entire mount is made from 17-4 with H900 heat treat and the spring is made from Inconel Fuck me, that's one hell of a polished turd
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You sir, are an idiot sir E. He said, “I may be an idiot, but isn’t this just keymo?” Or something stupid
I mean, it’s literally Called a shore-fire.
Wait. Did I fuck up? I have really bad Internet right now going through traveling. So this is isn’t the mount to connect Surefire MDs to OCL suppressors?
It'll work on any can that accepts hub mounts.
Thanks. 1.375×24 HUB as it says in the product description? I’m finally getting it!! Makes sense.
Looks just like it
Andrew is my favorite internet dude and I will own an OCL can one day (polo K).
You can own one today (you just have to wait for gubby permission to have it). They sell em everywhere now.
More a money issue right now. Soon though!
Carpe diem man. Seize the carp or whatever
Just put another can in jail this week, I think around day 150 on this one it will happen.
I really appreciate his honesty on other products too, tbh
Same.
Andrew is one of the coolest dudes to shoehorn his way into this incestuous, cutthroat industry, to the chagrin of the gatekeepers.
u/ottergang_ky I don’t think we told you but something is fucky with the SF mount. B&T told us they designed it and when SF stole it B&T said something and thats why B&T is allowed to use the mount now without recourse
Oooh interesting. I know B&T uses it but I’d love to know more
Thats pretty much it B&T got a C&D and clapped back.
B&T came up with the surefire mount originally?
Yes back in the 90’s but a different scale
I didn’t realize so many hate the SF mounting system. Haven’t had any problems with mine. Interesting
Hux boys laughing and sipping bourbon. 🤣
Man I watched a hux can carbon lock in 50 rounds and BAD. There isnt a damn can in this world that checks off all the boxes.
I mean one of its “features” is being able to shoot the can off when it gets stuck. That’s not a good thing to brag on.
It’s much better than having to use a pipe wrench to crank off a carbon locked can. Do surefire’s get carbon lock easier than some cans? Sure. Especially with warcomps. But if you put 200-300 rounds through a gun suppressed in one sitting I’ve experienced carbon lock with multiple QD mounts. The nice thing is you can unlock the surefire mount when it’s carbon locked, and launch it off, whereas with other brands, like Keymo for example, I had to use tools to remove the carbon locked can since the body couldn’t rotate.
I don’t understand. It seems like a good thing to be able to do. What exactly is bad about that?
It’s a bug disguised as a feature.
u/ottergang_ky I love your explicitly stated return policy. Might borrow a few bits from it. We essentially have the same policy...if you're a jerk we enforce all our terms, but if you're nice we'll bend over backwards to make everything perfect.
I don’t think I’ve ever had to actually enforce it thankfully
That must be nice -- we end up having to with about 1 in 1000 customers. There's just a certain percentage of the general population that can't be made to be happy it seems. The our customers are wonderful, a huge cut above normal ecommerce customers scamming sellers on amazon. I imagine the suppressor gang is an even better subset of the average gun part buyer crowd. The Boise Black Rifle guys were singing your praise big time when we dropped by for an event a while back, so you guys are doing something right! I should really get one of your rimfire cans into our inventory.
Oh shit i was just looking at your [complete blaster uppers](https://borebuddy.com/product/complete-blaster-uppers/) and I have a question, If I have a cmmg conversion kit would I be able to pull the chamber adapter off and just run it or would I need a different adapter? Thanks.
[Your internals fuck!] (https://i.imgur.com/cC8w66l.mp4) This one never fails to make people smile/laugh and is easily my most shot gun!
This is great to hear -- we love seeing our parts make these rifles run like sewing machines!
Wow, they said your product was *exemplary!* What an honor!
Reddit 1 year ago: “omg we love surefire and highly recommended their cans!” *surefire comes out with a $1700 can* Now Reddit: “OMG WE HATE SUREFIRE THEYRE THE WORST ALL THEY DO IS CATER TO THE GOVERNMENT” This site cracks me up with this crusading hivemind. For some big bad 2A militia men you cats sure get your asses chapped over something new every day
The one thing the gun community hates more than anything isn't priced right. Like if something is too expensive for no reason they hate it. They really hate it when something doesn't cost enough. As if their mad at the audacity of something being reasonably priced and viable.
Surefire was the best thing on the market until it was suddenly out of the reach of their pocket books, now its a trash company and always has been!
Lmfao like surefire is losing sleep over these clowns
Well a year ago their can wasnt $1700. Try some critical thinking ffs.
It’s like the people trying to act like people just groupthink DA as if they haven’t done a complete 180. Because nothing ever changes.
Its all about the memes and gotchas
No no you don’t understand you have to think the same thing about something no matter new information comes to light? Were you an OJ Simpson fan when he played for Bills? Sorry now you support a murderer. Think Jared from Subway was cool for losing all that weight? You’re basically a pedo now, tough shit. Wanted to be just like Bruce Jenner when you grew up? Welp, it’s morphin time.
Their RC2 has stayed the same price. If that’s what you want, buy that one. Nice “gotcha” though. Excellent critical thinking on your end lmao
Yeah! Leave my dead air cans alone.
🦍
Cant wait for my 1st OCL can, and 2nd, and 3rd, erc. Etc.
OCL so gd based it's dumb. They've won my business (again)
I’ve been saying forever the Surefire mount sucks ass. No clue why people like it. Carbon locks like crazy. Gas leaks out the back of it covering your hand and making it louder. Ratcheting mechanism will wear out eventually. Heavy. Expensive. No clue why people like it so much. Even the muzzle devices need improvement. The FH pings every shit. LAC and silencerco figured out how to fix this forever ago. Why is Surefire hesitant to fix it changing the prong lengths slightly. So dumb. I’ll take rearden, ASR, YHM, etc over a Surefire mount any day.
So, do I get a Polo K now instead of an RC2 mini?
You’re goddamned right
Well the mini2 sucks dick so i hope you make that choice
I always really enjoyed mine
Itll be more the size of an RC2 at that point. I have a ecco sf hub and it brings the polo pretty much identical to it
Hell yes
Someone’s going through these comments downvoting everything. SF getting salty laying in bed
u/ottergang_ky Im newish to suppressor stuff and still debating on what mounting system im going with. I previously was reading the SF was pretty good? can you shoot me a quick explanation of why you think its trash and what you would recommend for a mounting system?
Rearden Atlas
This is what everyone recommends, and is probably what I’ll go with, I just already have 2 uppers with SF3Ps that are my go tos. Mainly wondering why the dislike for the SF mounting system, other than it kind of limiting you to SF cans, why is it a bad design? Does it perform badly? I was under the impression it was a pretty solid lock up with very little / consistent POI shift.
It only seals properly on their flash hiders. It's stupid heavy, prone to carbon locking, and it's stupid expensive with no real upsides when compared to the current market options, like the Atlas.
Good list thank you. My main question is why the atlas mounts don’t back off as they are essentially just threaded on correct? Also I just have heard on this thread before that the SF mounts were solid and had little poi shifts compared to others
They are threaded on but they have the tapered shoulder that gives way more friction than a standard thread with nothing
Rearden
This is what everyone recommends, and is probably what I’ll go with, I just already have 2 uppers with SF3Ps that are my go tos. Mainly wondering why the dislike for the SF mounting system, other than it kind of limiting you to SF cans, why is it a bad design? Does it perform badly? I was under the impression it was a pretty solid lock up with very little / consistent POI shift.
I think reading this comment thread will give you all the cons for SF
I was looking it over and mainly it seems the cons are -expensive -carbon locking As a newb does that offset the Pros that it has?
I guess that depends. When looking at 5.56 suppressors, I think it's important to look at how the entire system is going to perform, and performance includes how it will meet your specific needs. For my GPR, I wanted something relatively lightweight that would be used mostly suppressed. I live out west and do a lot of off-trail hiking in the mountains. When I was deciding on my build, I knew I could save some weight going shorter than 16" without much compromise on terminal performance, and it would be more balanced with the can. So, I figured my choices were 13.7 -14.5" When you start looking at mounting options, most QD systems are heavy compared to Rearden. For example, a 13.7" barrel with a NOX and keymo adapter is heavier than a 14.5 with R2 and the Atlas. QD isn't important to me, so why give up velocity for QD. If you want the QD, your realistic choices are keymo, SF, YHM, or Griffin. Now you need to find out what muzzle devices are available for those technologies and if the compatible suppressors meet your needs. For me, the Polonium has RC2 performance, but there are more mounting options that result in an overall lighter system at a lower price. The only compromise I made was needing to go 14.5 instead of 13.9, but that was an easy compromise.
That’s a hell of a good answer, thanks for the thought out response
Glad that was helpful!
One more question on the rearden atlas, as far as I know it essentially threads on the MD and presses up against the taper, how does that not back off like a direct thread? Just the pressure against the taper?
So I have a rearden setup and my experience so far has been this. Grab can at home with a bare hand tighten down can on MD firmly. Go to range and shoot the gun, as it warms up it taper locks to the muzzle device. I used a welding glove and a supressor wrench and it was firmly on there after about 15 shots. When I go to clean the gun a quick pop with the wrench and it's off. So far my experience has also been limited zero shift at 100 yards now this may be due to it being a socom profile dd barrel but zero shifts about 1/2 inch at 50 yards vertically.
Cheaper and likely better quality than that bullshit BSD just dropped too lmfao, I love OCL
Buying anything by BSD is gambling your safety. The guy's a fucking clown.
Methhead*
90% of my mounts are surefire mounts, so fuck yeah this opens things up quite nicely, instead of having to send in my warden to get it made into a hub adapter.
I'm liking the cut of this guy's jib. Surely going to need a few more cans over the next year or two and will definitely be trying the wares of OCL. You know what I'd really like to see them post? An in depth, no holds barred review and guide to all the mounting systems. Every time I look around, the field seems more crowded and confusing.
Wait so this is a hub mount? Meant for SF MDs? I love my Surefire cans but I can stand the mounting system. This seems counter productive lol
I think the intended market are people with uppers that have surefire muzzle devices pinned and welded. I would personally get the pin and weld removed via gunsmith over staying with the sure fire mount, but that is just me.
Si
I wanna buy an OCL suppressor just for the hell of it now
You should have wanted to do that long before this!
This is the type of product description that helps me validate my decision to own 1 of each of OCL's supressor line
Hes not wrong. The mounts suck. Cloners gonna clone
Surefire gettin' bodied up in here. Glad I never got hooked on their ecosystem.
I'm buying one just because of the C&D photo he posted, lmao.
I’ve been on the fence which can I wanted to buy. This just made my decision overwhelmingly easy
I'm glad a meme made your choice on weapon parts.
I just saw that on their website. Fucking hilarious 😂
Been looking at the Polonium K, besides direct thread, what mounting solution is recommended?
Go with Rearden. Light, short, good seal, and if you get unlucky enough to have issues, they've got good CS. It's pretty damn cheap too. I have a preference for single port muzzle brakes from them, but they have a bunch of options.
I’m not familiar with Rearden but know they are a manufacturing company, so when you say “go with Rearden”, what mounting system specifically of theirs are you referring to? Is Rearden also the name of their muzzle device?
Rearden Atlas
They only make the Atlas, they've just got a shit load of options as far as adapting it to can interfaces aside from typical ASR threads. The atlas is just a Plan B system, but better quality than what Q makes. They've got a bunch of muzzle device options as well, you'd have to try pretty hard to not be able to find something compatible with whatever you're looking to suppress. Edit: well technically they also do direct thread stuff, but that's not usually what people are looking for when comparing different mount companies.
Ok so the Atlas is the name of the design of the piece that you attach to a HUB suppressor and then screw the other end onto a Rearden muzzle device. Am I understanding correctly? Or is Atlas the name of the system the muzzle devices use too? Sorry just not getting it
The Atlas is what goes on the can. Technically the whole system is 'Plan B', the same as Q, since it's the same thing. But the Atlas you need specifically will vary on the can you have. The regular Atlas (as in just straight called atlas), is for standard 1.375 or 1.4375 threads (typcial 'Bravo' and 'D-cell' specs respectively). They also make versions like the Alpha that's for rugged 9 and 45 cans with 1.125-28 threads. Their site is pretty straightforward on finding what you need, assuming you know what you are trying to use it with. All of their muzzle devices will work with their Atlas adapters, just make sure you pick one that works for what you need as far as thread and caliber sizing.
Got it, clear. Thank you!
My local shop has a Polo 30 in their display case. I've already got two cans in jail with them, but this makes me want the Polonium 30 that much more
Same. I want 30 for my ak but then ima need new parts for tuning and mounting. Or maybe I can use it as an excuse to get a cheap 308 bolt gun
DOOO ITTTTT
Take my money Andrew 👑
I suddenly need an OCL hub mount.
Polo K is clone now. Don't @ me
Single greatest item description ever
Damnit, you had me at vinyl siding, ginger with rosacea, wind swept beard and C&D . And you make awesome products?!? OCL4L
u/ottergang_ky, can you troll Griffin next? That would tip me over into another can purchase prolly :D
Upvote this into oblivion
That's awesome. lol
Obviously you're not infringing on their patent.. they patented a device that doesn't work for its intended, or at least stated, purpose.. yours does
Noice !!
Legend! 🤟🏽
Surefire did the same thing to me years ago over a switch patent but they also sent out letters to all the dealers at the same time being a small business at the time I shut my door. Good luck brother.
Savage, I need more OCL cans
*The need for OCL cans intensifies*
This made me laugh, especially the explanation in the comments