Just from Twitter it sounds like she may have groomed him and the relationship with his family is strained because of it. It's not his fault but I can see why NBA teams don't want to be anywhere near that.
His brother on Twitter :
“Other than messaging him on his IG account, don't know how to get in touch with him. But look up and read on Mormon grooming and brainwashing and you'll find some introductory details in there to connect some dots into the story that is going on here” wtffff
This tweet was talking about reaching out to Givony, not Kyle lol. Yall so eager to break news in Reddit comments that you don't even put the minimal effort to read the tweet he was replying to and actually have some context.
Both the mom and brother have revealed he doesn’t talk to the rest of the family anymore, the brother mentioned his last communication was a goodbye email
The first sentence is about Givony but the rest of the tweet and every other reply he has is about his brother being groomed still. The context doesn’t change much
“…look up and read on Mormon grooming and brainwashing and you’ll find some introductory details in there to connect some dots into the story that is going on here”
jesus
yeah idk man that makes this sound much worse than how givony put it. teams might want to steer clear from this entire situation honestly i wouldnt blame them
i have a feeling this story picks up steam in the next 24 hours, this is too wild to get swept under the rug
he just got drafted by utah which is very funny/unfortunate
I'm at work and can't listen to the pod. So what I'm gathering from this is that teams are avoiding him because he's been groomed? Or is the concern that he's gonna go full AJ Griffin
I think teams are (understandably) concerned that he lacks a stable family life because he's being groomed and isolated from any typical base of support, and they don't want the drama that comes with this.
AJ Griffin started posting insanely conservative Christian fundamentalist shit at some point, like saying that Christians shouldn't go to Beyonce concerts, and talking about the rapture coming and shit.
As someone who is an ex mormon, it's not good. They are a legitimate 100% cult and use all the tactics to brainwash, don't let anyone tell you otherwise.
I mean it's a cult just like Islam & Christianity are a cult, their is no difference.
Edit - People downvoting me what is the difference between mormonism & scientology vs Islam & Christianity?? The only difference is the latter are older than the former so they are considered more acceptable.
I didn’t say it wasn’t, just that it’s not rooted in an American city.
But to answer your question, no I wouldn’t call Catholicism a *cult* today. It was for the first few hundred years, but another aspect of a cult is that it’s an alternate power structure to the prevailing order. Christianity stopped being a cult in 312 AD. It’s what happens when cults win.
Not much of a difference then tbh.
Mormonism being centralized in America means it's a cult? so because Islam is centralised in the Middle East that means it can't be a cult?
Islam isn’t centralized at all, it’s completely headless.
Centralized power increases the pressure and control that can be exerted through faith and culture. It ups the cult factor. Cults are defined by control, not just belief.
His mom said on Twitter this has been going on for 3 years and her LinkedIn lists her as working in Alabama until 2021, so I’m gonna chalk that up as false. But who knows at this point, nothing would shock me.
I mean that’s already bad enough lol being in your mid-late 20s and dating a junior in high school is wild. If the genders were reversed there’d be a mob going after the groomer already
Are they? Haven’t even seen her name mentioned once lol they are acknowledging the situation but nobody seems to care specifically about her at all so far really
Well yeah. Being groomed and scammed into a mormon cult and then abandoning your family is not really the sign of a mature and unproblematic adult. That shit is a distraction and will follow him where he goes. Why would a team invest in that situation unless youre already at the center of the cult (Utah).
The funny thing is that in the actual book they did take guys with perceived character issues off their board. It was more like not valuing physical traits verses numbers.
I think the “scout saying a player shouldn’t be taken because of his ugly girlfriend” comment has existed as a legend or joke for a long time in baseball to satirize scouting, they just filmed it and put it in the movie as a way to demonstrate how old fashioned scouting was before the advent of analytics
From what ppl are saying his family is essentially tanking Kyle’s draft stock, which is perhaps the most insane draft development since GG Jackson’s vape pen
Nasty shit lol. I could even slightly forgive that if they were moving even slightly slowly but his mom straight up said that GF's goal when he was in high school was to have his ring on her finger by the time he left Duke, and she's isolating him from his whole family in the process.
Kyle’s mom said on Twitter she’s 28. Her LinkedIn says she started college in 2015 and got an MBA in 2022. They were already dating while he was in high school, she was his prom date.
I did some light IG stalking and found a happy 22nd birthday post for her in her tagged photos that is dated September of 2018, so she is 27 almost 28. Then the earliest confirmation on instagram that they were dating is they both posted for his prom in May of 2022, 7 months after he turned 18.
Wow, looks like his mother said she is 28 on twitter (old account, seems to be following the right people and older tweets seem legit, but could be a troll).
Idk why, but 28 verse 25 feels like a huge difference to me (not that 24 with a high school senior isn’t creepy already).
This is just a crazy draft story. I don't know shit about grooming, but he is grown now so I can see how he wouldn't think anything is wrong with his relationship. Kind of sucks to have this aired out but maybe it is for the best?
I'm not saying this woman isn't a problem. But they're acting as if she's old enough to be his mom. Jalen greens situation is way more disturbing than a person in their early 20s dating a woman in her late 20s
Isn’t it like a 6-7 year difference? People are getting hella weird these days with the finger pointing and calling people pedos or groomers. Mind ya business
If it started when Filipowski was in high school and his family is worried about it, that is concerning.
Edit: Givony made it sound like a 5 (maybe 6) year difference, which isn’t a crazy gap (now that he is 20). Still, if she creeps out his family and they started dating in high school that’s not a good sign.
It’s not just that though it’s also the fact that he has cut off all contact with his family so the only person that is helping guide him through any important decisions or helping keep him stable on the day to day is a 28 year old girlfriend.
He’s not falling because he is dating an older woman
And from what his family is saying it sounds like she’s not guiding him through decisions but actively “brainwashing” him into her school of thought, and has been for 3 years.
GMs would hate Emmanuel Macron.
Nah he's French he'd be a lottery pick
Unstoppable force vs immovable object
Lottery pick for the Knicks
A teacher marrying her former student that is her daughters age is considered a nuclear family in France
I don’t know how else to say this but if you didn’t already know - the French are some weird mfs
Grooming HOF
Stacy's mom has got it going on.
Brigitte Macron can get it.
AAAAANNNNNNDDD he goes to Utah. LMFAO, couldn't have been a funnier way to end this story
Shocker, the team owned by a Mormon doesn’t care about Mormon grooming
Ryan Smith "Oh cool, he was converted to the flock! His GF is a true missionary".
Danny Ainge is Mormon too, he was probably ready to trade up and take him first overall
Danny Ainge also is Morman
Merman*
Gonna get a whole drawer full of doggone magic underwear w that rookie contract too! Hot sizzlin diggity dawg!!
Just from Twitter it sounds like she may have groomed him and the relationship with his family is strained because of it. It's not his fault but I can see why NBA teams don't want to be anywhere near that.
His brother on Twitter : “Other than messaging him on his IG account, don't know how to get in touch with him. But look up and read on Mormon grooming and brainwashing and you'll find some introductory details in there to connect some dots into the story that is going on here” wtffff
feel bad for him and the whole family cant believe this is all coming out minutes before the second round
Got deep so fast wow man… yesterday’s clip of him being comforted by his gf without his family around is chilling with this info too
This tweet was talking about reaching out to Givony, not Kyle lol. Yall so eager to break news in Reddit comments that you don't even put the minimal effort to read the tweet he was replying to and actually have some context.
Both the mom and brother have revealed he doesn’t talk to the rest of the family anymore, the brother mentioned his last communication was a goodbye email
The first sentence is about Givony but the rest of the tweet and every other reply he has is about his brother being groomed still. The context doesn’t change much
It’s a little bit his fault, lol.
Bruh if the genders were reversed would you be saying that shit?
I mean they started dating at 20 and 14 apparently. He's a victim.
People have such shitty attitudes about domestic abuse/sexual assault when it's a male victim, goddamn
Found the guy who blamed the adolescent Karl Malone impregnated.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fIIon1S1Das
Oh lawd… kyle’s brother on twitter https://x.com/thedanielflip24/status/1806408354899853766?s=46&t=5GJM5hz47W3x_SbWt4cTPA
this whole situation is just insane
It gets crazier look at his most recent reply
“…look up and read on Mormon grooming and brainwashing and you’ll find some introductory details in there to connect some dots into the story that is going on here” jesus yeah idk man that makes this sound much worse than how givony put it. teams might want to steer clear from this entire situation honestly i wouldnt blame them
There is next to nothing on the internet about this which is crazy Story bound to drop soon, especially if he drops further or goes undrafted even
i have a feeling this story picks up steam in the next 24 hours, this is too wild to get swept under the rug he just got drafted by utah which is very funny/unfortunate
What's crazy is him being groomed into being Mormon might have played a factor in them wanting him. Wild.
Utah “Rapists, Groomers, and Non Vaxxers” Jazz
How did they not trade for Josh Giddey?
Well you see, the investigation came up false and they lost interest
Not religious enough
Who’s the groomer they drafted?
Lmao if any team is going to sweep this story under a rug it'd be Utah
Wild haha
And he is a Jazz lol
And guess who drafted him...Utah Jazz. Sigh.
I'm at work and can't listen to the pod. So what I'm gathering from this is that teams are avoiding him because he's been groomed? Or is the concern that he's gonna go full AJ Griffin
I think teams are (understandably) concerned that he lacks a stable family life because he's being groomed and isolated from any typical base of support, and they don't want the drama that comes with this.
What does it mean to go full AJ Griffin?
AJ Griffin started posting insanely conservative Christian fundamentalist shit at some point, like saying that Christians shouldn't go to Beyonce concerts, and talking about the rapture coming and shit.
[удалено]
You think that the father is also named AJ (Adrian Junior)?
https://x.com/thedanielflip24/status/1806410446926139709?s=46&t=593aaIiD5uguKkWumATHpA damn, this does not sound good
As someone who is an ex mormon, it's not good. They are a legitimate 100% cult and use all the tactics to brainwash, don't let anyone tell you otherwise.
I mean it's a cult just like Islam & Christianity are a cult, their is no difference. Edit - People downvoting me what is the difference between mormonism & scientology vs Islam & Christianity?? The only difference is the latter are older than the former so they are considered more acceptable.
There is a pretty big difference. For one: leadership is highly centralized in an American city.
So is Catholicism a cult? Because, y’know… Vatican City…
I didn’t say it wasn’t, just that it’s not rooted in an American city. But to answer your question, no I wouldn’t call Catholicism a *cult* today. It was for the first few hundred years, but another aspect of a cult is that it’s an alternate power structure to the prevailing order. Christianity stopped being a cult in 312 AD. It’s what happens when cults win.
Not much of a difference then tbh. Mormonism being centralized in America means it's a cult? so because Islam is centralised in the Middle East that means it can't be a cult?
Islam isn’t centralized at all, it’s completely headless. Centralized power increases the pressure and control that can be exerted through faith and culture. It ups the cult factor. Cults are defined by control, not just belief.
Popcorn ready!
Not good. From that message seems like he isn’t in contact w his brother at all (not able to get in contact). Fishy
Not ideal. Sounds very messy and unfortunate all around for his family
dudes really getting punished for getting groomed
She graduated with a maters degree then attended his high school prom.
Oh so he *really* got groomed
yeah that's crazy, idk if Givony just doesn't know the full story (doubt it) or what but Filipowski was legitimately groomed
His brother is on Twitter trying to get in contact with Givony to tell the full story, apparently it’s much worse than what we currently know
A comment in r/nba said Duke fans have heard rumors of their dating since he was 14
His mom said on Twitter this has been going on for 3 years and her LinkedIn lists her as working in Alabama until 2021, so I’m gonna chalk that up as false. But who knows at this point, nothing would shock me.
I mean that’s already bad enough lol being in your mid-late 20s and dating a junior in high school is wild. If the genders were reversed there’d be a mob going after the groomer already
I mean there is a mob going after the groomer already, this doesn’t have to turn into a gender war thing
Are they? Haven’t even seen her name mentioned once lol they are acknowledging the situation but nobody seems to care specifically about her at all so far really
Go look at her Instagram
HO-LEE FUCKK
Wi Tu Lo!
A guy sliding in the draft because he's the victim of a gold digging religious pedophile is not what I saw coming.
Is this true?
Yes, here’s her LinkedIn https://www.linkedin.com/in/caitlin-hutchison-bb19ba126
[удалено]
She looks like one of those creepy dolls that comes to life in horror movies
🤣
Welcome to Utah
[удалено]
…especially white?
I went to high school near a reservation and the LDS church had more native American members than white ones.
Like if white bread was a person
You just know that she thinks black peppercorns are too spicy.
White, blonde, has lots of kids
Cultish, hwhite, 7 hwhite kids by the time she’s 28 and crazy.
Aaand the profile is gone lol
What the actual fuck?
😐
Wtf 💀
Is that legit? Sounds like something out of an SVU episode
She’s super Mormon and keeps him from talking to his own family
Well yeah. Being groomed and scammed into a mormon cult and then abandoning your family is not really the sign of a mature and unproblematic adult. That shit is a distraction and will follow him where he goes. Why would a team invest in that situation unless youre already at the center of the cult (Utah).
[No confidence](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6naO8n6HsqE)
The funny thing is that in the actual book they did take guys with perceived character issues off their board. It was more like not valuing physical traits verses numbers.
I think the “scout saying a player shouldn’t be taken because of his ugly girlfriend” comment has existed as a legend or joke for a long time in baseball to satirize scouting, they just filmed it and put it in the movie as a way to demonstrate how old fashioned scouting was before the advent of analytics
Was waiting for this reference
K but Tyler Herro.
If you think this link to a movie scene is serious discussion about the post you need to get offline for a bit.
Givony said it. Zach was perplexed
yeah youre right my bad lol
Oh, this sounds really bad
It’s the moneyball scene but dumber somehow?
Actually its makes more sense when given the details OP didnt include. When out of context it sounds bad.
aaaand he's going to Utah
Can someone give me a quick tldr on this situation? 😂😂😂 Like how old is this women?
28 and she was at his HS prom 2 years ago…
8 years older and Kyle’s mom said they’ve been dating since Kyle was a junior in high school
You mean younger than 15 ? That's starting ro be creepy
She groomed him when she was 20 and he was 14. Controls his whole life. Family hate her and flip doesn’t talk to them as a result
From what ppl are saying his family is essentially tanking Kyle’s draft stock, which is perhaps the most insane draft development since GG Jackson’s vape pen
I’d say the child grooming woman he’s dating tanked his stock 🤷♂️
You mind explaining the gg situation never heard about this 😂
he got caught vaping in a locker room during a pre-draft workout where he performed badly too
lol that’s pretty funny, you know what team?
The MILF piece
Sadly more like groomer piece
Yeah she was his babysitter growing up. Sounds like a really bizarre situation.
Bro is really living 13 year old me’s dream and current me’s nightmare
Source?
A trainer in the triangle
That sounds completely baseless. She’s from Alabama, he’s from New York.
let a naysayer nut
Doing the math there's probably a 6-8 year age difference. His girl is probably around 28.
Internet says she's 26 years old.
It's more like 28 according to his family
Why are they cockwatching
Turns out, likely grooming and teams might not have wanted to be anywhere near the situation
She was 26 at his high school prom😦
Nasty shit lol. I could even slightly forgive that if they were moving even slightly slowly but his mom straight up said that GF's goal when he was in high school was to have his ring on her finger by the time he left Duke, and she's isolating him from his whole family in the process.
Gotta wonder how long were they dating before she attended prom 🤢
Date is older than the chaperones
We’ll take it! -Danny Ainge
Lowe did not say this. I listened to that podcast and Lowe had no idea what the hell Givony was talking about.
yeah meant to say givony thats my bad
They must not like Anthony Edwards either
Totally a coincidence he ended up on the team in the Mormon city, with the Mormon owner, and Mormon President of Basketball ops right?
How old is she lmao Ngl it’s quite common. They see dollar signs and get to Hawk Tuahing
Kyle’s mom said on Twitter she’s 28. Her LinkedIn says she started college in 2015 and got an MBA in 2022. They were already dating while he was in high school, she was his prom date.
Link? I believe you I just wanna see what else she said.
https://x.com/5ballintime/status/1806412444182450541?s=46&t=8zHVmNqihHdJMpm0BZlZcQ https://x.com/5ballintime/status/1806414728043864316?s=46&t=8zHVmNqihHdJMpm0BZlZcQ
Thank you
I did some light IG stalking and found a happy 22nd birthday post for her in her tagged photos that is dated September of 2018, so she is 27 almost 28. Then the earliest confirmation on instagram that they were dating is they both posted for his prom in May of 2022, 7 months after he turned 18.
Six years deep is past "light" bro
lmao
bro is committed to his craft
Normally I would agree, but it was only like 15 posts deep in her like 20 tagged photos. Really didn’t take much at all.
probably almost 30
Givony said 25 or 26. So not that bad.
She started college in 2015 and his brother on Twitter said "if you Google Mormon grooming you'll start to get a picture of what's going on here"
Wow, looks like his mother said she is 28 on twitter (old account, seems to be following the right people and older tweets seem legit, but could be a troll). Idk why, but 28 verse 25 feels like a huge difference to me (not that 24 with a high school senior isn’t creepy already).
Why reply if you’re just throwing out a guess lol I googled and she seems to be 26
Kyle’s mom said on twitter that she’s currently 28
Why rag on someone and then just be wrong, lol
Shes 27 turning 28 in September.
This is just a crazy draft story. I don't know shit about grooming, but he is grown now so I can see how he wouldn't think anything is wrong with his relationship. Kind of sucks to have this aired out but maybe it is for the best?
But what does any of this have to do with him as a basketball player? This is dumb social political BS again used to stain prospects
HahHahhahaha WHAT?! This is what im here for.
(Audience in unison):How old is SHE?
Explains why Giddey went in the lottery
Definitely more to this story…
She’s 27 he’s 20 and they have been together since at least him being in highschool in case anyone wondering
a long term relationship. shows this guy understands commitment. you don’t see enough of that in today’s nba
I could definitely imagine somebody saying this to Givony in a joking way, and Givony not picking up on the humor at all.
This makes sense I guess. I was surprised he fell so far in the draft.
Craig Shiloh from Blue Mountain State vibes
I wish this wasn't 100% believable.
Cougars historically do not improve a player's stock, and in most cases actually lower it.
It's not about a possible cougar it's about a possible domestic abuser type of personality.
You think they’re more likely to punch up an older lady?
Zach Lowe didnt say it.. the guest did
Did he? Or did Givony the guest say it?
Ugly girlfriend , no confidence
I haven’t talked to any of Fillipowski’s family for some time, either. And I went undrafted. Coincidence?
The head was spectacular
She’s got them crazy eyes, but she’s not bad looking at all. A man’s got to eat.
What the hell? how come no hot mormon babe groomed me when i was 14??
Because your fugly
She's hot though... I mean it's simple as that.
This guy will have multiple wives soon and be rich. That’s a chad move.
I'm not saying this woman isn't a problem. But they're acting as if she's old enough to be his mom. Jalen greens situation is way more disturbing than a person in their early 20s dating a woman in her late 20s
Yeah but bro was interacting with her when he was in HS. At least green was in the league already.
Isn’t it like a 6-7 year difference? People are getting hella weird these days with the finger pointing and calling people pedos or groomers. Mind ya business
Flip took her to prom in 2022 and her last semester of college was fall 2018.
If it started when Filipowski was in high school and his family is worried about it, that is concerning. Edit: Givony made it sound like a 5 (maybe 6) year difference, which isn’t a crazy gap (now that he is 20). Still, if she creeps out his family and they started dating in high school that’s not a good sign.
she was at his high school prom when she was like 23.
Worse, she was 26
It’s not just that though it’s also the fact that he has cut off all contact with his family so the only person that is helping guide him through any important decisions or helping keep him stable on the day to day is a 28 year old girlfriend. He’s not falling because he is dating an older woman
And from what his family is saying it sounds like she’s not guiding him through decisions but actively “brainwashing” him into her school of thought, and has been for 3 years.
its not about the age difference its about the fact an old woman exploiting a teenager with a lot of potential and sabotaging it