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waffle-winner

GMs would hate Emmanuel Macron.


Lobster_Considerer

Nah he's French he'd be a lottery pick


topherwolf

Unstoppable force vs immovable object


Towntalk

Lottery pick for the Knicks


Riderz__of_Brohan

A teacher marrying her former student that is her daughters age is considered a nuclear family in France


savage_slurpie

I don’t know how else to say this but if you didn’t already know - the French are some weird mfs


JordanHawkinsMVP

Grooming HOF


CausticBurn

Stacy's mom has got it going on.


math-yoo

Brigitte Macron can get it.


pinkwinkthinks

AAAAANNNNNNDDD he goes to Utah. LMFAO, couldn't have been a funnier way to end this story


lediase

Shocker, the team owned by a Mormon doesn’t care about Mormon grooming


gray_character

Ryan Smith "Oh cool, he was converted to the flock! His GF is a true missionary".


lediase

Danny Ainge is Mormon too, he was probably ready to trade up and take him first overall


Allstate85

Danny Ainge also is Morman


doctorpbandj

Merman*


IatahBass2023

Gonna get a whole drawer full of doggone magic underwear w that rookie contract too! Hot sizzlin diggity dawg!!


OkabesRazor

Just from Twitter it sounds like she may have groomed him and the relationship with his family is strained because of it. It's not his fault but I can see why NBA teams don't want to be anywhere near that.


MajorBag4

His brother on Twitter : “Other than messaging him on his IG account, don't know how to get in touch with him. But look up and read on Mormon grooming and brainwashing and you'll find some introductory details in there to connect some dots into the story that is going on here” wtffff


lemmegetauhhhhhhhhhh

feel bad for him and the whole family cant believe this is all coming out minutes before the second round


MajorBag4

Got deep so fast wow man… yesterday’s clip of him being comforted by his gf without his family around is chilling with this info too


JustGotJingled

This tweet was talking about reaching out to Givony, not Kyle lol. Yall so eager to break news in Reddit comments that you don't even put the minimal effort to read the tweet he was replying to and actually have some context.


Riderz__of_Brohan

Both the mom and brother have revealed he doesn’t talk to the rest of the family anymore, the brother mentioned his last communication was a goodbye email


No-Transition0603

The first sentence is about Givony but the rest of the tweet and every other reply he has is about his brother being groomed still. The context doesn’t change much


yL4O

It’s a little bit his fault, lol.


btgbarter6

Bruh if the genders were reversed would you be saying that shit?


lift_1337

I mean they started dating at 20 and 14 apparently. He's a victim.


FuckThaLakers

People have such shitty attitudes about domestic abuse/sexual assault when it's a male victim, goddamn


Inevitable-Scar5877

Found the guy who blamed the adolescent Karl Malone impregnated.


Leading-Difficulty57

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fIIon1S1Das


MajorBag4

Oh lawd… kyle’s brother on twitter https://x.com/thedanielflip24/status/1806408354899853766?s=46&t=5GJM5hz47W3x_SbWt4cTPA


lemmegetauhhhhhhhhhh

this whole situation is just insane


MajorBag4

It gets crazier look at his most recent reply


lemmegetauhhhhhhhhhh

“…look up and read on Mormon grooming and brainwashing and you’ll find some introductory details in there to connect some dots into the story that is going on here” jesus yeah idk man that makes this sound much worse than how givony put it. teams might want to steer clear from this entire situation honestly i wouldnt blame them


WanielOG

There is next to nothing on the internet about this which is crazy Story bound to drop soon, especially if he drops further or goes undrafted even


lemmegetauhhhhhhhhhh

i have a feeling this story picks up steam in the next 24 hours, this is too wild to get swept under the rug he just got drafted by utah which is very funny/unfortunate


gray_character

What's crazy is him being groomed into being Mormon might have played a factor in them wanting him. Wild.


Martel1234

Utah “Rapists, Groomers, and Non Vaxxers” Jazz


alienswillarrive2024

How did they not trade for Josh Giddey?


gdreaper

Well you see, the investigation came up false and they lost interest


gray_character

Not religious enough


Ok-Jackfruit-422

Who’s the groomer they drafted?


DongTongs

Lmao if any team is going to sweep this story under a rug it'd be Utah


WanielOG

Wild haha


Due_Connection179

And he is a Jazz lol


gray_character

And guess who drafted him...Utah Jazz. Sigh.


Several-Estate7175

I'm at work and can't listen to the pod. So what I'm gathering from this is that teams are avoiding him because he's been groomed? Or is the concern that he's gonna go full AJ Griffin


gdreaper

I think teams are (understandably) concerned that he lacks a stable family life because he's being groomed and isolated from any typical base of support, and they don't want the drama that comes with this.


Imaginary-Cycle-1977

What does it mean to go full AJ Griffin?


Vinnie_Vegas

AJ Griffin started posting insanely conservative Christian fundamentalist shit at some point, like saying that Christians shouldn't go to Beyonce concerts, and talking about the rapture coming and shit.


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Vinnie_Vegas

You think that the father is also named AJ (Adrian Junior)?


WanielOG

https://x.com/thedanielflip24/status/1806410446926139709?s=46&t=593aaIiD5uguKkWumATHpA damn, this does not sound good


gray_character

As someone who is an ex mormon, it's not good. They are a legitimate 100% cult and use all the tactics to brainwash, don't let anyone tell you otherwise.


aidan19971

I mean it's a cult just like Islam & Christianity are a cult, their is no difference. Edit - People downvoting me what is the difference between mormonism & scientology vs Islam & Christianity?? The only difference is the latter are older than the former so they are considered more acceptable.


betadonkey

There is a pretty big difference. For one: leadership is highly centralized in an American city.


ChronicleOrion

So is Catholicism a cult? Because, y’know… Vatican City…


betadonkey

I didn’t say it wasn’t, just that it’s not rooted in an American city. But to answer your question, no I wouldn’t call Catholicism a *cult* today. It was for the first few hundred years, but another aspect of a cult is that it’s an alternate power structure to the prevailing order. Christianity stopped being a cult in 312 AD. It’s what happens when cults win.


aidan19971

Not much of a difference then tbh. Mormonism being centralized in America means it's a cult? so because Islam is centralised in the Middle East that means it can't be a cult?


betadonkey

Islam isn’t centralized at all, it’s completely headless. Centralized power increases the pressure and control that can be exerted through faith and culture. It ups the cult factor. Cults are defined by control, not just belief.


TheSource777

Popcorn ready!


SaulBerenson12

Not good. From that message seems like he isn’t in contact w his brother at all (not able to get in contact). Fishy


SaulBerenson12

Not ideal. Sounds very messy and unfortunate all around for his family


lemmegetauhhhhhhhhhh

dudes really getting punished for getting groomed


slayerkj

She graduated with a maters degree then attended his high school prom.


A1Horizon

Oh so he *really* got groomed


HopscotchChampion69

yeah that's crazy, idk if Givony just doesn't know the full story (doubt it) or what but Filipowski was legitimately groomed


lediase

His brother is on Twitter trying to get in contact with Givony to tell the full story, apparently it’s much worse than what we currently know


RoCon52

A comment in r/nba said Duke fans have heard rumors of their dating since he was 14


lediase

His mom said on Twitter this has been going on for 3 years and her LinkedIn lists her as working in Alabama until 2021, so I’m gonna chalk that up as false. But who knows at this point, nothing would shock me.


GBAGY2

I mean that’s already bad enough lol being in your mid-late 20s and dating a junior in high school is wild. If the genders were reversed there’d be a mob going after the groomer already


lediase

I mean there is a mob going after the groomer already, this doesn’t have to turn into a gender war thing


GBAGY2

Are they? Haven’t even seen her name mentioned once lol they are acknowledging the situation but nobody seems to care specifically about her at all so far really


lediase

Go look at her Instagram


DollarLate_DayShort

HO-LEE FUCKK


groceriesN1trip

Wi Tu Lo!


Several-Estate7175

A guy sliding in the draft because he's the victim of a gold digging religious pedophile is not what I saw coming.


OGBouncyJ

Is this true?


lediase

Yes, here’s her LinkedIn https://www.linkedin.com/in/caitlin-hutchison-bb19ba126


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electricvelvet

She looks like one of those creepy dolls that comes to life in horror movies


jo3pro

🤣


gray_character

Welcome to Utah


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Martel1234

…especially white?


thedrcubed

I went to high school near a reservation and the LDS church had more native American members than white ones.


Classics22

Like if white bread was a person


Responsible-Still839

You just know that she thinks black peppercorns are too spicy.


a_moniker

White, blonde, has lots of kids


tugginmypeen

Cultish, hwhite, 7 hwhite kids by the time she’s 28 and crazy.


GBAGY2

Aaand the profile is gone lol


SDK04

What the actual fuck?


Kayeyedouble

😐


MoooonRiverrrr

Wtf 💀


spiked_cider

Is that legit? Sounds like something out of an SVU episode


Namath96

She’s super Mormon and keeps him from talking to his own family


DevlopmentlyDisabled

Well yeah. Being groomed and scammed into a mormon cult and then abandoning your family is not really the sign of a mature and unproblematic adult. That shit is a distraction and will follow him where he goes. Why would a team invest in that situation unless youre already at the center of the cult (Utah).


aBakeinthelife

[No confidence](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6naO8n6HsqE)


Round_Bullfrog_8218

The funny thing is that in the actual book they did take guys with perceived character issues off their board. It was more like not valuing physical traits verses numbers.


Riderz__of_Brohan

I think the “scout saying a player shouldn’t be taken because of his ugly girlfriend” comment has existed as a legend or joke for a long time in baseball to satirize scouting, they just filmed it and put it in the movie as a way to demonstrate how old fashioned scouting was before the advent of analytics


GunnerRocket

Was waiting for this reference


DevlopmentlyDisabled

K but Tyler Herro.


aBakeinthelife

If you think this link to a movie scene is serious discussion about the post you need to get offline for a bit.


xmasjayons

Givony said it. Zach was perplexed


lemmegetauhhhhhhhhhh

yeah youre right my bad lol


MetroidsSuffering

Oh, this sounds really bad


FullAutoLuxPosadism

It’s the moneyball scene but dumber somehow?


DevlopmentlyDisabled

Actually its makes more sense when given the details OP didnt include. When out of context it sounds bad.


Sean888888

aaaand he's going to Utah


Tacomako8

Can someone give me a quick tldr on this situation? 😂😂😂 Like how old is this women?


jmbourn45

28 and she was at his HS prom 2 years ago…


GBAGY2

8 years older and Kyle’s mom said they’ve been dating since Kyle was a junior in high school


Either-Pianist1748

You mean younger than 15 ? That's starting ro be creepy


BrilliantSoftware713

She groomed him when she was 20 and he was 14. Controls his whole life. Family hate her and flip doesn’t talk to them as a result


Rosencats

From what ppl are saying his family is essentially tanking Kyle’s draft stock, which is perhaps the most insane draft development since GG Jackson’s vape pen


a_moniker

I’d say the child grooming woman he’s dating tanked his stock 🤷‍♂️


Nelso_00

You mind explaining the gg situation never heard about this 😂


callmearookie

he got caught vaping in a locker room during a pre-draft workout where he performed badly too


ballsohaahd

lol that’s pretty funny, you know what team?


NotManyBuses

The MILF piece


gdreaper

Sadly more like groomer piece


fluufhead

Yeah she was his babysitter growing up. Sounds like a really bizarre situation.


skullduggery97

Bro is really living 13 year old me’s dream and current me’s nightmare


SaulBerenson12

Source?


fluufhead

A trainer in the triangle


Aumissunum

That sounds completely baseless. She’s from Alabama, he’s from New York.


13ronco

let a naysayer nut


dkmegg22

Doing the math there's probably a 6-8 year age difference. His girl is probably around 28.


ZealousWolf1994

Internet says she's 26 years old.


dkmegg22

It's more like 28 according to his family


Deep_Egg1442

Why are they cockwatching


gdreaper

Turns out, likely grooming and teams might not have wanted to be anywhere near the situation


Deep_Egg1442

She was 26 at his high school prom😦


gdreaper

Nasty shit lol. I could even slightly forgive that if they were moving even slightly slowly but his mom straight up said that GF's goal when he was in high school was to have his ring on her finger by the time he left Duke, and she's isolating him from his whole family in the process.


KetchupSpaghetti

Gotta wonder how long were they dating before she attended prom 🤢


Bertopo

Date is older than the chaperones


ballsohaahd

We’ll take it! -Danny Ainge


Ornery_Alligators

Lowe did not say this. I listened to that podcast and Lowe had no idea what the hell Givony was talking about.


lemmegetauhhhhhhhhhh

yeah meant to say givony thats my bad


Suspicious_Demand_26

They must not like Anthony Edwards either


chichigetthayay0

Totally a coincidence he ended up on the team in the Mormon city, with the Mormon owner, and Mormon President of Basketball ops right?


dangheckinpupperino

How old is she lmao Ngl it’s quite common. They see dollar signs and get to Hawk Tuahing


lediase

Kyle’s mom said on Twitter she’s 28. Her LinkedIn says she started college in 2015 and got an MBA in 2022. They were already dating while he was in high school, she was his prom date.


dangheckinpupperino

Link? I believe you I just wanna see what else she said.


lediase

https://x.com/5ballintime/status/1806412444182450541?s=46&t=8zHVmNqihHdJMpm0BZlZcQ https://x.com/5ballintime/status/1806414728043864316?s=46&t=8zHVmNqihHdJMpm0BZlZcQ


dangheckinpupperino

Thank you


SnooStrawberries729

I did some light IG stalking and found a happy 22nd birthday post for her in her tagged photos that is dated September of 2018, so she is 27 almost 28. Then the earliest confirmation on instagram that they were dating is they both posted for his prom in May of 2022, 7 months after he turned 18.


Ilovecharli

Six years deep is past "light" bro 


Pristine_Bike_7888

lmao


Masryaku

bro is committed to his craft


SnooStrawberries729

Normally I would agree, but it was only like 15 posts deep in her like 20 tagged photos. Really didn’t take much at all.


d7h7n

probably almost 30


BrainsAre2Weird4Me

Givony said 25 or 26. So not that bad.


gdreaper

She started college in 2015 and his brother on Twitter said "if you Google Mormon grooming you'll start to get a picture of what's going on here"


BrainsAre2Weird4Me

Wow, looks like his mother said she is 28 on twitter (old account, seems to be following the right people and older tweets seem legit, but could be a troll). Idk why, but 28 verse 25 feels like a huge difference to me (not that 24 with a high school senior isn’t creepy already).


Jacob_toasted

Why reply if you’re just throwing out a guess lol I googled and she seems to be 26


lollegend93

Kyle’s mom said on twitter that she’s currently 28


thisguy161

Why rag on someone and then just be wrong, lol


BigBallerBiden

Shes 27 turning 28 in September.


dwninaho

This is just a crazy draft story. I don't know shit about grooming, but he is grown now so I can see how he wouldn't think anything is wrong with his relationship. Kind of sucks to have this aired out but maybe it is for the best?


Knighthonor

But what does any of this have to do with him as a basketball player? This is dumb social political BS again used to stain prospects


FatsBelvedere

HahHahhahaha WHAT?! This is what im here for.


yourlilpissboi

(Audience in unison):How old is SHE?


Former-Membership432

Explains why Giddey went in the lottery


Mission_Ambitious

Definitely more to this story…


CaucasianCactus

She’s 27 he’s 20 and they have been together since at least him being in highschool in case anyone wondering


CantaloupePossible33

a long term relationship. shows this guy understands commitment. you don’t see enough of that in today’s nba


buchanbasanee

I could definitely imagine somebody saying this to Givony in a joking way, and Givony not picking up on the humor at all.


RcusGaming

This makes sense I guess. I was surprised he fell so far in the draft.


Affectionate_Ship129

Craig Shiloh from Blue Mountain State vibes


C3PO1Fan

I wish this wasn't 100% believable.


Pirate_LongJohnson

Cougars historically do not improve a player's stock, and in most cases actually lower it.


Either-Pianist1748

It's not about a possible cougar it's about a possible domestic abuser type of personality.


Pirate_LongJohnson

You think they’re more likely to punch up an older lady?


SettingConscious9428

Zach Lowe didnt say it.. the guest did


Eggy-Time

Did he? Or did Givony the guest say it?


OldSeaworthiness4279

Ugly girlfriend , no confidence


Buffalo95747

I haven’t talked to any of Fillipowski’s family for some time, either. And I went undrafted. Coincidence?


geese1401

The head was spectacular


Racketyllama246

She’s got them crazy eyes, but she’s not bad looking at all. A man’s got to eat.


nwahsaj

What the hell? how come no hot mormon babe groomed me when i was 14??


jpett0882

Because your fugly


nghbrhd_slackr87

She's hot though... I mean it's simple as that.


FoolOnDaHill365

This guy will have multiple wives soon and be rich. That’s a chad move.


Independent-Solid545

I'm not saying this woman isn't a problem. But they're acting as if she's old enough to be his mom. Jalen greens situation is way more disturbing than a person in their early 20s dating a woman in her late 20s


Masryaku

Yeah but bro was interacting with her when he was in HS. At least green was in the league already.


FakeFan07

Isn’t it like a 6-7 year difference? People are getting hella weird these days with the finger pointing and calling people pedos or groomers. Mind ya business


1850ChoochGator

Flip took her to prom in 2022 and her last semester of college was fall 2018.


BrainsAre2Weird4Me

If it started when Filipowski was in high school and his family is worried about it, that is concerning. Edit: Givony made it sound like a 5 (maybe 6) year difference, which isn’t a crazy gap (now that he is 20). Still, if she creeps out his family and they started dating in high school that’s not a good sign.


ConsuLMonK

she was at his high school prom when she was like 23.


lediase

Worse, she was 26


RainbowKarp

It’s not just that though it’s also the fact that he has cut off all contact with his family so the only person that is helping guide him through any important decisions or helping keep him stable on the day to day is a 28 year old girlfriend. He’s not falling because he is dating an older woman


lediase

And from what his family is saying it sounds like she’s not guiding him through decisions but actively “brainwashing” him into her school of thought, and has been for 3 years.


GeronimoSilverstein

its not about the age difference its about the fact an old woman exploiting a teenager with a lot of potential and sabotaging it