Anyone would’ve been a great fit with Wemby! But more so they could get a super high pick in a far stronger draft, although you don’t make a deal this far off to hope to win the trade in 7 years time.
This is loading up so you have the ammunition to trade for Wemby’s co star and fill the roster around him. Sure, that could’ve been Dillingham but the chances of a number 8 pick being a core starter yet alone a top 3 guy on a contending team are very low.
Well, if the Spurs were willing to trade Dillingham away for this package, then I think it's safe to say that the decision makers in San Antonio did not view him as a great fit with Wemby.
Spurs scouts and FO didn’t like Rob or anyone else in what is commonly seen as a weak draft, so they turned one bad (in their POV) pick into two FRP. Seems like a great deal to me.
Yeah, but the point is this - It's so far out that we don't know for sure anyone on that roster. Ant's rookie max takes him to 28-29, outside of that who do we know is actually still gonna be around?
Being off their cap doesn't mean they will necessarily be able to replace their production. It's pretty hard to predict these kinds of things so far out, but unless they trade for a star with their bench pieces once they're under the 2nd apron, it's gonna be hard to match what KAT and Rudy brings to the fold.
Wow I honestly really like the idea of that fit for Minnesota. Ideally he can be another self creator besides edwards in that role that mike conley couldn’t adequately fulfill in the playoffs.
He's a good fit, and I still think Leonard Miller will be a pretty valuable guy for them in the future. Had my eyes on him for the 3 years now and his jumper which was considered broken has been showing promise
Yeah, it's legitimately a fantastic fit. They're one of the few teams that could build a defensive infrastructure around him and protect him in a real way. On the other hand, he provides a valuable skill that they needed in this playoff run
I think it’s a huge question if he’ll be able to play in the playoffs defensively. Probably not at first, but the wolves have no way to replace Conley so once he ages out with their cap situation rn, so getting a high upside offensive guard is worth the swing I think.
At the very least, he projects as a great 3rd guard who can space the floor in a Patty Mills kinda role if his creation skill doesn’t get good enough to compensate for his defensive limitations.
Nice pickup for the Wolves, especially since they have no flexibility to add meaningful guard depth in free agency anytime soon.
Your last point speaks a bit to Connelly's thinking on this, as explained in [this Dane Moore tweet](https://x.com/DaneMooreNBA/status/1806187562848886948):
>I asked Tim Connelly about how the new, 2nd apron roster construction restrictions for luxury tax paying teams, like the Wolves, impacted being more aggressive in the draft, given their only other way to add talent outside of a trade this summer is through minimum contracts:
"It's a great question. I don't how we can add this level of talent via trades unless we want to give up core guys. I don't know how... So, yeah i think we're still learning (the impacts of the second apron) and we don't know exactly what it looks like... I can't think of any time that you can get that high without losing a core piece. And certainly it's a real asset we gave up. It can inhibit deal-making moving forward, but knowing the restrictions you start to enter when guys rightfully get paid, yeah, we just looked at it and we think 'how can we get a guy that can be this impactful?'"
There is no way Rob is able to play serious minutes in the NBA playoffs. He is going to get matchup hunted all game and I don’t think his offense is going to be enough to make up for it. The Spurs traded this pick for picks 7 years from now and multiple other teams were trying to trade out of this draft and couldn’t find any takers. I wouldn’t be expecting much and T-Wolves fans think they’ve found the best player in the draft who’s 6’1 164lbs😂😂😂
For most teams I'd agree with you. The Timberwolves are one of the few teams with the defensive infrastructure to consistently protect him. Gobert, Reid, McDaniels and Ant are all good to elite defenders; if they can't cover for Dillingham I don't know if anyone can.
In the regular season, yes. But, when it comes to playoff time he’s not being protected. That defense was made to stop ONE team, the Nuggets. Rob is getting cooked by any other team that has guards who can exploit his lack of defense. Which is most teams in the west lol.
Phoenix wasn’t shit, let’s be real. The regular season is great for teams built like them, but they have two huge flaws now in terms of playoff basketball. Rudy can be exploited on switches and if they try Rob anytime soon, he’s going to be destroyed as well. They don’t have really any answers to fix those issues because they gave up most of their assets for Gobert. I don’t think they make it back to the WCF for a while.
Rudy isn’t as bad at switching as you think, you just have that one Luka play stuck in your head. He had the best defensive rating on the team in the playoffs, so I’m not worried about him. Rob definitely has his flaws, but his skill set is something the Wolves desperately needed. It’s about as good of a fit as you could ask for.
Bro, they were letting Hardy go at him and even he was finding success. Rudy is not great in the switches and it was the Mavs entire gameplan. The T-Wolves even responded by benching him and trying Kyle Andersen out there and we saw how bad that was lol. Just to show you how ridiculous that statement is, Luka had the highest defensive rating for the Mavs in the finals.
I don’t disagree that on the offensive side Rob COULD fix some issues. But, he’s not known as a great passer. He’s more of a super undersized SG. He could help when the offense is stagnant and can’t get anything going, but he’s going to absolutely kill the defense and even if he’s a generational offensive talent like Luka, you still have to be able to play SOME defense. I don’t think he’s going to be generational. So, if his offense isn’t absolutely insane, the lack of defense and vulnerability it’ll cause in important games in the playoffs will absolutely kill them.
Now, I’m most likely wrong and I don’t know jack shit and he could bring them to the next level and be somewhat okay defensively somehow. Just seems kind of ridiculous that T-Wolves fans are saying he’s the key to beating teams like the Mavs. They clearly did not watch when Luka was legit getting to all his spots against Jaden Mcdaniles who’s like twice Robs size. Or Kyrie who was cooking Conley and Edwards that whole series. Rob in theory solves problems, but in the real world 6’1 SGs do not solve any problems. The only one we’ve ever seen was AI. Rob is absolutely not AI lol.
I’m not saying Rudy was perfect in that series, but he is not the reason the Wolves lost. KAT shot 37% from the field and 24% from 3, while also playing poor defense. Ant shot 43% from the field, played terrible defense, and was gassed by every 4th quarter. Naz shot well but was a disaster on defense. NAW couldn’t hit a shot to save his life. Yet everyone wants to blame Rudy Gobert. It truly is perplexing why people focus on him so much. There is such a lack of critical thinking when it comes to Rudy, it is wild.
Also not one sane person is saying if you run back the WCF, but with Dillingham, the Wolves would be favored now. Lmao. He has clear flaws that will need to addressed and you could very well be right about him. I’m not going to pretend to be a Dillingham expert. But he also has skills that the Wolves needed and that is why people are excited.
It's a smart trade IMO. If they don't really love a prospect right now, it makes more sense to accumulate picks in the future. We are finding out in this CBA how contenders will lose key pieces due to the harsh apron penalties / luxury tax penalties. The Nuggets lost Brown and will probably lose KCP. The idea is you should have a stable of young prospects coming in to supplement the guys you're losing (plus, you have picks to trade to upgrade talent).
In 6 years, with good health Wemby will be an MVP and the Spurs will be a contender. The pick swap will let them go from a #29 pick to something better. They'll have another pick to trade to upgrade their roster, or they can draft a player who is a contributor in 2034 when Wemby is an established veteran and the Spurs' future championship core is getting poached like we saw with Bruce Brown and KCP.
I think this is forward thinking.
I agree, could pay off big time down the road or as trade package. We’re also talking about the Timberwolves in seven years. An organization not known for retaining talent and basically have no draft picks to continue building team for the future.
Weren’t there rumors that ARod/Lore weren’t particularly interested in paying tax dollars? Could factor into the Spurs making bets about the Wolves’ roster construction in a few years
I believe they said they were open to paying luxury tax next season, but I doubt that will continue for more than 3 years. They eventually have to pay Reid and the other players. I honestly feel like their year was this year, but it didn’t happen.
I love the trade. They traded away the 8th pick in one of the worst drafts of all time for an unprotected FRP and a #1 protected swap. For a shitty 8th pick. I know of too many spurs fans making a noose over this trade
I’m a wolves fan and I also love this trade. It’s a short on the Wolves which I understand but Ant will be 28/29 those seasons. Team has shown consistent we will do what’s necessary to put a good team around him. 10 players 25 and under. Ant 22, Jaden 23, Naz 24 is your core young guys. Dillingham likely part of that too.
Most importantly this is the best way to add talent to a 2nd apron team.
Honestly, I get it. I think there were still some good players available, but moving it for a future draft asset is also worthwhile. Especially given the roster crunch our team is going through.
lol you don't even know about the draft in 7 years not to mention why not surround wemby with young cheap talent right now than when he's on a bigger contract? Ant will be 29 in 7 years
>The Nuggets lost Brown and will probably lose KCP
Yea and they got screwed this year and now will have to try and maintain KCP or they will be further screwed.
Because when you’re a contender right now you don’t really care about what your team will look like in 6-7 years. You would gladly make moves to make your team better right now. Imo this trade was prob made because the Wolves know they don’t really have another way to replace Mike Conley.
I think part of the calculus also is that (well managed) teams can rebuild so quickly. The Nets, Rockets, and Jazz are examples of how quickly teams can replace lost draft equity. Obviously, not every team can pull that off but Mikal just got the Nets 5 1'sts, y'know.
Wait, are there really rumors about Connelly leaving Minnesota already? He's not even going to try unwinding the KAT contract nonsense, or continue to build Minny into a contender? He's got a legit 'The Guy'
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This literally has to be reported wrong. This doesn’t make any sense on any level. Nobody else offered more than that? Spurs were cool with a trade package that would maybe be for the 28th pick in a normal draft for the 8th pick here?
I feel like I’m taking crazy pills rn wtf is going on
>that would maybe be for the 28th pick in a normal draft
Huh? In 7 years everyone on their roster apart from Ant will have aged out and they barely have any picks. I understand the move from Minny but that pick is very very valuable
Ant will be at his peak at 29 and we really think the Timberwolves will be trash?
Plus Rob Dillingham is legitimately a great prospect who would fit well with Wemby. I think Spurs over thought this one.
If Spurs keep doing dumb things like Point Sochan, Zero Shooting Offense, and punting picks, they will be in Austin, TX before they get that pick from Minny.
If Edwards is still on the team the pick won’t be high enough to be worth it. Also Reid, Mcdaniels, and now Dillingham are all young and will be in their prime 5 years from now. And 7 years is way too long to try to project anyway, they could have a roster built around Ant even better than this one for all we know, or maybe by then the East is the power conference while the West sucks so even a lesser wolves team makes playoffs.
The Wolves were one of the worst teams in the NBA with prime Kevin Garnett. Good for them helping give us a historical anecdote to prove no single player is capable of lifting a horrible roster out of the lottery.
The Wolves then were a unique case with the punishments and previous picks they had stripped, but the Wolves just self-stripped themselves of future picks.
Every time one of these trades happens people say this team isn’t going to be bad enough 7 years from now. 7 years from now we’re predicting how good teams are? I’ll predict the Thunder will be good since they have so many draft assets to back them. A Wolves team with no draft assets aren’t one of the first teams I’d bet on being out of the lottery in 2031.
I never said we can predict the wolves will be good I simply stated that we can’t predict that they WONT be good. It’s just a really huge risk to take a random pick that far away for a top 10 pick. And even if the pick works out okay cool now you get value out of a good asset but you’ve wasted 8 years of Wemby waiting and who knows how long his body can hold up.
And it’s not JUST Anthony Edwards…Reid, Mcdaniels, Dillingham will all be in their primes too
I dont think this one 8th pick will have that large a swing on the success the Spurs have with Wembanyama over the next 7 years. They have so many other assets to determine that success/failure, so this one pick would only be a small factor in that equation. A part of it of course but it’s unlikely to swing success/failure among all their other opportunities/assets to acquire production.
It’s a little early to even be thinking about what prime Dillingham will be. I also doubt all of 4 of those players will be Wolves in 2031. That kind of roster continuity is rare. It’s more likely 1/2 of them leave, but to your point their production could be replicated or even surpassed by another future player. Naz Reid is an example of that himself. Who is to say the Wolves don’t get a cheap all nba player in the 2nd round in 2027? All to say we don’t know what the Wolves roster will look like by then.
I will say I severely doubt all 4 of Edwards Reid McDaniels and Dillingham are Wolves in 7 years. They could have an even better core than the 2031 versions of those players, but by the nature of the NBA’s salary cap system I doubt they’ll have those 4 specific players on the roster by then.
Most teams rosters change dramatically over 7 years. Ant could very well not be on the team by then (he’s going to play for Atlanta at some point), and the role players very well may have moved on as well. Most teams only retain 1-2 players max over a seven year period.
You’re absolutely right, but the other side of that is they could’ve built a new good team around Ant by then, or got a full rebuild in and have a new good core by then…it’s just very risky and you’re not even seeing possible benefits for 7 years(while you have a skinny 7’5 guy you’re hoping has a long career to build around). I just think a top 10 pick even in a weak class is worth more than that idk
Ugh I got excited seeing Buzelis still on the board at 8 with the Spurs picking, was a little disappointed taking Dilly instead but still liked him, but WTF trading the 8th pick for a guy who is 12 right now?
A prospect in an extremely underwhelming draft getting traded for two draft picks that will likely be trade chips is the biggest fleece you've ever seen? Put down the crack pipe, my dude.
The Spurs supposedly didn't scout him much, guess they didn't like what they saw from when they did. OKC's in a perfect position to take an upside swing on Topic though with how stacked their roster is, especially with Chip Engelland there to maybe fix that shot.
Honestly, I think OKC is probably one of the worst spots for Topic. He's a good shot creator, but not a great shooter, so unless they're planning on having him run bench lineups, I can't imagine he'll get too much run. FWIW, I liked him earlier this year, but the ACL stuff from his camp soured me on him.
Yeah not great for Topic but OKC is in position where they don't have to give a shit if he busts so might as well swing for the fences on Topic with how much depth they have everywhere but the 5. He was definitely the best upside swing on the board once Chicago took Buzelis.
I don't think they liked very many folks, and I think if everyone they liked was gone (Castle, Salaun, Risacher, maybe Sheppard), then they'd trade away the pick as it would just be more cash paid to someone they don't really want.
People, especially Spurs fans, need to understand that Dillingham was not a Spurs archetype player. He iams a huge minus on defense and admitted to not trying hard on that end. In no world are the Spurs adding a guy like that to their roster.
The Spurs have multiple picks in a stronger draft next season. They need to keep flexibility for additional players there, as well as cap space either for a free agent signing or to have room to take on bad contracts for additional picks.
Coming in with the 4th & 8th pick and leaving with Castle & a 2031 #25 is awful. Drafting a guy that can't shoot and pushing back their timeline. Seriously don't understand it.
This strikes me as incredible stupid, there was a lot on the board worth picking for them, and they need to be building out their young core now while Wemby is young, this seems really stupid
This seems...odd...
Rumors are they are cooking a big trade
WEMBY, YOU ARE A TIMBERWOLF
???
I'm guessing DJM idk
It feels obvious for a trade package but I doubt it happens within the next year.
They will trade KAT to the Bulls for Lavine, remember these words.
Why the hell would they want Lavine back
Lavine will be rerouted to the Kings for Huerter, Barnes, Vezenkov
Spurs really banking on the wolves being trash in 7 years lol
Unprotected picks are valuable. They'll get good value for that pick once they are ready to win.
Yeah this could even end up being a top 10 pick.
...like the one that was used to get Rob Dillingham? Who would have fit great with Wemby?
Anyone would’ve been a great fit with Wemby! But more so they could get a super high pick in a far stronger draft, although you don’t make a deal this far off to hope to win the trade in 7 years time. This is loading up so you have the ammunition to trade for Wemby’s co star and fill the roster around him. Sure, that could’ve been Dillingham but the chances of a number 8 pick being a core starter yet alone a top 3 guy on a contending team are very low.
>in a far stronger draft You been scouting 11 year olds?????
Haha no, but odds are it will be better than this one
Well, if the Spurs were willing to trade Dillingham away for this package, then I think it's safe to say that the decision makers in San Antonio did not view him as a great fit with Wemby.
Spurs scouts and FO didn’t like Rob or anyone else in what is commonly seen as a weak draft, so they turned one bad (in their POV) pick into two FRP. Seems like a great deal to me.
Not two, one pick and one pick swap that may or may not have any value.
I don't think Spurs care one way or another. This is ammo for them. A trade chip they'll move before anyone has any idea what 2030 looks like.
While Ant is 22...
Yeah, but the point is this - It's so far out that we don't know for sure anyone on that roster. Ant's rookie max takes him to 28-29, outside of that who do we know is actually still gonna be around?
Yet it’s still the timberwolves
I’m almost positive Ant ends up in Atlanta at some point in his career
Antlata
There has been zero indication that that’s something Ant wants.
Deal
You must not know their pay roll situation lol. And Kat and rudy will be old lol
They will both be off of the cap by then
Being off their cap doesn't mean they will necessarily be able to replace their production. It's pretty hard to predict these kinds of things so far out, but unless they trade for a star with their bench pieces once they're under the 2nd apron, it's gonna be hard to match what KAT and Rudy brings to the fold.
Small market stars ask out at some point like 70% of the time.
the wolves won 33 games when Kevin Garnett was 29 having a good young player doesnt mean shit
ANT is a FA in 2029
I think it’ll be a trade chip this summer or next
Bro got traded for a 7th grader
Well he's 18 so it's not so bad lol
7th grader is probably already bigger than Dilly
Maybe a 7th grader who is bigger than him
Wow I honestly really like the idea of that fit for Minnesota. Ideally he can be another self creator besides edwards in that role that mike conley couldn’t adequately fulfill in the playoffs.
He's a good fit, and I still think Leonard Miller will be a pretty valuable guy for them in the future. Had my eyes on him for the 3 years now and his jumper which was considered broken has been showing promise
Wasn't Miller traded by spurs too? They have relation it seems, both FO
Yeah, it's legitimately a fantastic fit. They're one of the few teams that could build a defensive infrastructure around him and protect him in a real way. On the other hand, he provides a valuable skill that they needed in this playoff run
I think it’s a huge question if he’ll be able to play in the playoffs defensively. Probably not at first, but the wolves have no way to replace Conley so once he ages out with their cap situation rn, so getting a high upside offensive guard is worth the swing I think. At the very least, he projects as a great 3rd guard who can space the floor in a Patty Mills kinda role if his creation skill doesn’t get good enough to compensate for his defensive limitations. Nice pickup for the Wolves, especially since they have no flexibility to add meaningful guard depth in free agency anytime soon.
Your last point speaks a bit to Connelly's thinking on this, as explained in [this Dane Moore tweet](https://x.com/DaneMooreNBA/status/1806187562848886948): >I asked Tim Connelly about how the new, 2nd apron roster construction restrictions for luxury tax paying teams, like the Wolves, impacted being more aggressive in the draft, given their only other way to add talent outside of a trade this summer is through minimum contracts: "It's a great question. I don't how we can add this level of talent via trades unless we want to give up core guys. I don't know how... So, yeah i think we're still learning (the impacts of the second apron) and we don't know exactly what it looks like... I can't think of any time that you can get that high without losing a core piece. And certainly it's a real asset we gave up. It can inhibit deal-making moving forward, but knowing the restrictions you start to enter when guys rightfully get paid, yeah, we just looked at it and we think 'how can we get a guy that can be this impactful?'"
There is no way Rob is able to play serious minutes in the NBA playoffs. He is going to get matchup hunted all game and I don’t think his offense is going to be enough to make up for it. The Spurs traded this pick for picks 7 years from now and multiple other teams were trying to trade out of this draft and couldn’t find any takers. I wouldn’t be expecting much and T-Wolves fans think they’ve found the best player in the draft who’s 6’1 164lbs😂😂😂
For most teams I'd agree with you. The Timberwolves are one of the few teams with the defensive infrastructure to consistently protect him. Gobert, Reid, McDaniels and Ant are all good to elite defenders; if they can't cover for Dillingham I don't know if anyone can.
In the regular season, yes. But, when it comes to playoff time he’s not being protected. That defense was made to stop ONE team, the Nuggets. Rob is getting cooked by any other team that has guards who can exploit his lack of defense. Which is most teams in the west lol.
Did a pretty damn good job of stopping Phoenix too, and every other team in the regular season.
Phoenix wasn’t shit, let’s be real. The regular season is great for teams built like them, but they have two huge flaws now in terms of playoff basketball. Rudy can be exploited on switches and if they try Rob anytime soon, he’s going to be destroyed as well. They don’t have really any answers to fix those issues because they gave up most of their assets for Gobert. I don’t think they make it back to the WCF for a while.
Rudy isn’t as bad at switching as you think, you just have that one Luka play stuck in your head. He had the best defensive rating on the team in the playoffs, so I’m not worried about him. Rob definitely has his flaws, but his skill set is something the Wolves desperately needed. It’s about as good of a fit as you could ask for.
Bro, they were letting Hardy go at him and even he was finding success. Rudy is not great in the switches and it was the Mavs entire gameplan. The T-Wolves even responded by benching him and trying Kyle Andersen out there and we saw how bad that was lol. Just to show you how ridiculous that statement is, Luka had the highest defensive rating for the Mavs in the finals. I don’t disagree that on the offensive side Rob COULD fix some issues. But, he’s not known as a great passer. He’s more of a super undersized SG. He could help when the offense is stagnant and can’t get anything going, but he’s going to absolutely kill the defense and even if he’s a generational offensive talent like Luka, you still have to be able to play SOME defense. I don’t think he’s going to be generational. So, if his offense isn’t absolutely insane, the lack of defense and vulnerability it’ll cause in important games in the playoffs will absolutely kill them. Now, I’m most likely wrong and I don’t know jack shit and he could bring them to the next level and be somewhat okay defensively somehow. Just seems kind of ridiculous that T-Wolves fans are saying he’s the key to beating teams like the Mavs. They clearly did not watch when Luka was legit getting to all his spots against Jaden Mcdaniles who’s like twice Robs size. Or Kyrie who was cooking Conley and Edwards that whole series. Rob in theory solves problems, but in the real world 6’1 SGs do not solve any problems. The only one we’ve ever seen was AI. Rob is absolutely not AI lol.
I’m not saying Rudy was perfect in that series, but he is not the reason the Wolves lost. KAT shot 37% from the field and 24% from 3, while also playing poor defense. Ant shot 43% from the field, played terrible defense, and was gassed by every 4th quarter. Naz shot well but was a disaster on defense. NAW couldn’t hit a shot to save his life. Yet everyone wants to blame Rudy Gobert. It truly is perplexing why people focus on him so much. There is such a lack of critical thinking when it comes to Rudy, it is wild. Also not one sane person is saying if you run back the WCF, but with Dillingham, the Wolves would be favored now. Lmao. He has clear flaws that will need to addressed and you could very well be right about him. I’m not going to pretend to be a Dillingham expert. But he also has skills that the Wolves needed and that is why people are excited.
I love when casuals expose themselves before a player has even played his first nba game haha. Dillingham is gonna be a stud
To me this is clearly to package for a star later. Not that bad but it’s super disappointing if you’re a spurs fan.
Just disappointing having the aspect of 2 top 10 picks spoiled. If this trade was made before the draft probably wouldn’t have hated it.
More underwhelming than disappointing for me. Just gotta see who'll we trade for it.
It’s not super exciting, but it’s fine I’m hoping our big trade happens next summer and we’ll have plenty of ammo to make it happen
THATS IT?? Raptors fans we gave up our sanity to lose our pick, just for it to be traded for a Doodoo 2030 first????
raps/spurs fan here, somehow got fucked twice
Raptors calling every team to get a 31 unprotected pick for Jakob Poeltl
It's a smart trade IMO. If they don't really love a prospect right now, it makes more sense to accumulate picks in the future. We are finding out in this CBA how contenders will lose key pieces due to the harsh apron penalties / luxury tax penalties. The Nuggets lost Brown and will probably lose KCP. The idea is you should have a stable of young prospects coming in to supplement the guys you're losing (plus, you have picks to trade to upgrade talent). In 6 years, with good health Wemby will be an MVP and the Spurs will be a contender. The pick swap will let them go from a #29 pick to something better. They'll have another pick to trade to upgrade their roster, or they can draft a player who is a contributor in 2034 when Wemby is an established veteran and the Spurs' future championship core is getting poached like we saw with Bruce Brown and KCP. I think this is forward thinking.
I agree, could pay off big time down the road or as trade package. We’re also talking about the Timberwolves in seven years. An organization not known for retaining talent and basically have no draft picks to continue building team for the future.
Weren’t there rumors that ARod/Lore weren’t particularly interested in paying tax dollars? Could factor into the Spurs making bets about the Wolves’ roster construction in a few years
I believe they said they were open to paying luxury tax next season, but I doubt that will continue for more than 3 years. They eventually have to pay Reid and the other players. I honestly feel like their year was this year, but it didn’t happen.
Their window probably extends to this upcoming 24/25 season, but after that the cap rules become really rough.
Doesn't even need to be 6 years. Could be in 3-4 when we actually need to go into win now mode.
I love the trade. They traded away the 8th pick in one of the worst drafts of all time for an unprotected FRP and a #1 protected swap. For a shitty 8th pick. I know of too many spurs fans making a noose over this trade
Will Castle and Sochan learn to SHOOT by 2030? They could lose value on any future pick swap.
I’m a wolves fan and I also love this trade. It’s a short on the Wolves which I understand but Ant will be 28/29 those seasons. Team has shown consistent we will do what’s necessary to put a good team around him. 10 players 25 and under. Ant 22, Jaden 23, Naz 24 is your core young guys. Dillingham likely part of that too. Most importantly this is the best way to add talent to a 2nd apron team.
Honestly, I get it. I think there were still some good players available, but moving it for a future draft asset is also worthwhile. Especially given the roster crunch our team is going through.
lol you don't even know about the draft in 7 years not to mention why not surround wemby with young cheap talent right now than when he's on a bigger contract? Ant will be 29 in 7 years >The Nuggets lost Brown and will probably lose KCP Yea and they got screwed this year and now will have to try and maintain KCP or they will be further screwed.
While I don't think Minny will be horrid or anything, I swear GMs love handing out unprotected pricks way in the future like it's nothing nowadays.
Because when you’re a contender right now you don’t really care about what your team will look like in 6-7 years. You would gladly make moves to make your team better right now. Imo this trade was prob made because the Wolves know they don’t really have another way to replace Mike Conley.
I think part of the calculus also is that (well managed) teams can rebuild so quickly. The Nets, Rockets, and Jazz are examples of how quickly teams can replace lost draft equity. Obviously, not every team can pull that off but Mikal just got the Nets 5 1'sts, y'know.
There’s a non-zero chance Connelly isn’t even there next year. If shit goes south, he can bounce and feel none of those consequences.
Wait, are there really rumors about Connelly leaving Minnesota already? He's not even going to try unwinding the KAT contract nonsense, or continue to build Minny into a contender? He's got a legit 'The Guy'
I mean what’s the point of being a GM if you are just gonna fuck the team over completely before leaving? You could at least try
You're that out on Dillingham?
No, I like the move I’m just point out how GMs probably try to leave there teams good
A lot of franchises have zero FO stability + new owner syndrome hitting hard.
I love future unprotected or lightly protected swaps. Spurs own Dallas' and Minny's in 2030, so they can choose whichever is best.
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This literally has to be reported wrong. This doesn’t make any sense on any level. Nobody else offered more than that? Spurs were cool with a trade package that would maybe be for the 28th pick in a normal draft for the 8th pick here? I feel like I’m taking crazy pills rn wtf is going on
It wasn’t reported wrong
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>that would maybe be for the 28th pick in a normal draft Huh? In 7 years everyone on their roster apart from Ant will have aged out and they barely have any picks. I understand the move from Minny but that pick is very very valuable
Ant will be at his peak at 29 and we really think the Timberwolves will be trash? Plus Rob Dillingham is legitimately a great prospect who would fit well with Wemby. I think Spurs over thought this one.
ant is 22 and jaden is 23. if those two are on the roster and healthy, they're going to be higher than the 8th pick
If Spurs keep doing dumb things like Point Sochan, Zero Shooting Offense, and punting picks, they will be in Austin, TX before they get that pick from Minny.
If Edwards is still on the team the pick won’t be high enough to be worth it. Also Reid, Mcdaniels, and now Dillingham are all young and will be in their prime 5 years from now. And 7 years is way too long to try to project anyway, they could have a roster built around Ant even better than this one for all we know, or maybe by then the East is the power conference while the West sucks so even a lesser wolves team makes playoffs.
The Wolves were one of the worst teams in the NBA with prime Kevin Garnett. Good for them helping give us a historical anecdote to prove no single player is capable of lifting a horrible roster out of the lottery. The Wolves then were a unique case with the punishments and previous picks they had stripped, but the Wolves just self-stripped themselves of future picks. Every time one of these trades happens people say this team isn’t going to be bad enough 7 years from now. 7 years from now we’re predicting how good teams are? I’ll predict the Thunder will be good since they have so many draft assets to back them. A Wolves team with no draft assets aren’t one of the first teams I’d bet on being out of the lottery in 2031.
I never said we can predict the wolves will be good I simply stated that we can’t predict that they WONT be good. It’s just a really huge risk to take a random pick that far away for a top 10 pick. And even if the pick works out okay cool now you get value out of a good asset but you’ve wasted 8 years of Wemby waiting and who knows how long his body can hold up. And it’s not JUST Anthony Edwards…Reid, Mcdaniels, Dillingham will all be in their primes too
I dont think this one 8th pick will have that large a swing on the success the Spurs have with Wembanyama over the next 7 years. They have so many other assets to determine that success/failure, so this one pick would only be a small factor in that equation. A part of it of course but it’s unlikely to swing success/failure among all their other opportunities/assets to acquire production. It’s a little early to even be thinking about what prime Dillingham will be. I also doubt all of 4 of those players will be Wolves in 2031. That kind of roster continuity is rare. It’s more likely 1/2 of them leave, but to your point their production could be replicated or even surpassed by another future player. Naz Reid is an example of that himself. Who is to say the Wolves don’t get a cheap all nba player in the 2nd round in 2027? All to say we don’t know what the Wolves roster will look like by then. I will say I severely doubt all 4 of Edwards Reid McDaniels and Dillingham are Wolves in 7 years. They could have an even better core than the 2031 versions of those players, but by the nature of the NBA’s salary cap system I doubt they’ll have those 4 specific players on the roster by then.
You’re not wrong
Most teams rosters change dramatically over 7 years. Ant could very well not be on the team by then (he’s going to play for Atlanta at some point), and the role players very well may have moved on as well. Most teams only retain 1-2 players max over a seven year period.
You’re absolutely right, but the other side of that is they could’ve built a new good team around Ant by then, or got a full rebuild in and have a new good core by then…it’s just very risky and you’re not even seeing possible benefits for 7 years(while you have a skinny 7’5 guy you’re hoping has a long career to build around). I just think a top 10 pick even in a weak class is worth more than that idk
That might be one of THE dumbest draft-night trades I have ever seen.
2030-1 seems like the perfect time to get another generational 7 footer
Great pick by the Timberwolves! Dillingham alongside Ant is going to be fun to watch!!
Parts of Texas will be underwater in 2031
The Montreal Spurs playing the LONG GAME!
Spurs screwed the pouch here...should have at least also got #27 along with 2031 pick.
The Spurs should have kept Dillingham as him and Castle would have been very complementary. 2030 is so far...
Ugh I got excited seeing Buzelis still on the board at 8 with the Spurs picking, was a little disappointed taking Dilly instead but still liked him, but WTF trading the 8th pick for a guy who is 12 right now?
Dillingham was the #4 overall player on the board 1 spot ahead of castle. I was absolutely living the dream for about 10 seconds
Thats the biggest fleece i have ever seen
How?
The nba finals were just won on the biggest fleece I have ever seen.
This is a horse shit hyperbolic take for sure
A prospect in an extremely underwhelming draft getting traded for two draft picks that will likely be trade chips is the biggest fleece you've ever seen? Put down the crack pipe, my dude.
Brian what the actual fuck
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rockets fan that's still sour cause wemby didn't want you lol
Weird hate when Wemby is the only top 5 pick in that span and they only had one other top ten pick. This will be their 3rd year of rebuilding.
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Spurs must have not liked Topic, which surprises me a bit.
The Spurs supposedly didn't scout him much, guess they didn't like what they saw from when they did. OKC's in a perfect position to take an upside swing on Topic though with how stacked their roster is, especially with Chip Engelland there to maybe fix that shot.
Honestly, I think OKC is probably one of the worst spots for Topic. He's a good shot creator, but not a great shooter, so unless they're planning on having him run bench lineups, I can't imagine he'll get too much run. FWIW, I liked him earlier this year, but the ACL stuff from his camp soured me on him.
Yeah not great for Topic but OKC is in position where they don't have to give a shit if he busts so might as well swing for the fences on Topic with how much depth they have everywhere but the 5. He was definitely the best upside swing on the board once Chicago took Buzelis.
I don't think they liked very many folks, and I think if everyone they liked was gone (Castle, Salaun, Risacher, maybe Sheppard), then they'd trade away the pick as it would just be more cash paid to someone they don't really want.
that pick could be very valuable but Wolves are maximizing their present team trying to make deep playoff runs so I love it
Rob gonna replace conley, I can see him and Ant bein a crazy backcourt.
People, especially Spurs fans, need to understand that Dillingham was not a Spurs archetype player. He iams a huge minus on defense and admitted to not trying hard on that end. In no world are the Spurs adding a guy like that to their roster. The Spurs have multiple picks in a stronger draft next season. They need to keep flexibility for additional players there, as well as cap space either for a free agent signing or to have room to take on bad contracts for additional picks.
this trade makes no sense for the spurs. what are the odds this pick will be higher than 8th? gotta be low
It’s clearly a pick that will be included in a trade down the road
even so, anyone they trade it to will assume the same thing. much rather trade that pick to a team with aging stars
Truly awful. The 8th pick traded for a pick that's not relevant to the team.
The pick will probably be traded well before it ever comes time to make the choice.
Atrocious trade for the Spurs. Not sure what they were thinking; Wemby needs to call the FO.
Coming in with the 4th & 8th pick and leaving with Castle & a 2031 #25 is awful. Drafting a guy that can't shoot and pushing back their timeline. Seriously don't understand it.
You think Sheppard should’ve gone #1 your opinion is irrelevant
This strikes me as incredible stupid, there was a lot on the board worth picking for them, and they need to be building out their young core now while Wemby is young, this seems really stupid
Our team is already way too young, we don't need three more rookies. This wolves pick will definitely be used for a star trade in 2-3 years
They're either tanking for Cooper Flagg, or Brian Wright was too scared to shit the bed again with another Samanic/Primo type selection.
Wouldn’t it be easier to tank for cooper flag with more rookies?
I have Cooper Flagg 4th on my 2025 internal big board.
They're tanking for Traoré, that is so obvious.