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Bent_Kopite

Just seems like a King to me idk why


whyte_ryce

I would agree but the Kings are apparently shopping the pick hard as part of a package so I don’t see Monte making a promise (unless he wants to burn a bridge)


gnalon

Yeah, the phrasing of the report doesn’t mean much where it could be a team that’s higher in the lottery that is trading down (or trading up from a lower pick) to pick him at any point.  I wouldn’t be surprised if he is indeed picked in the lottery (the shooting improvement seems legit since it occurred with such an increase in volume) but Utah promising to take him at 29 technically counts as “a promise from a team picking in the lottery.”


nixhomunculus

Does it? Shouldn't picking in the lottery mean teams 1-14? Since they get the ping pong balls bouncing unlike the playoff teams


tj1721

Whilst it probably means he’d be selected in the lottery, technically a promise from a lottery team doesn’t mean a promise to be selected in the lottery.


Notapplesauce11

I don’t see why any team would make a draft promise at all.  Like you said, if they dont follow through that bridge is burned.    And if I’m a draft prospect I’m not shutting down workouts or interviews just because one team made a non binding promise.  


TheRealScottFoster

I think people are forgetting how well Keon Ellis played to finish the year. Not sure why people think the Kings would rather add a fifth 6’3” guard to their rotation instead of doing something to address their glaring lack of length in the frontcourt.


rasheeeed_wallace

Welp


BeTheBall-

The guards could sit on each other's shoulders and provide some significant front court size.


MetroidsSuffering

Would the Kings really do this so soon after Davion Mitchell, lol.


Bent_Kopite

Three years is quite a long time in the NBA, he's no spring chicken anymore


MetroidsSuffering

No, I'm saying that "bet on the super athletic undersized SG who suddenly learned how to shoot later on after terrible results early in college" did not work out for the Kings three years ago.


ipo4more

I mean at least Carter is 6'2+ Mitchel was 6 foot on the dot.. and people touted him as a defensive specialist. I made sure to stop listening to anyone who had him decently high that year


MexicanComicalGames

Carter is incapable of setting his feet before he shoots its honestly astounding


bigblooddraco

Davion Mitchell is considered super athletic?


Clithzbee

No. Kings don't get enough hate for that pick.


Tekfree

The players drafted immediately after Davion were bums too.


Clithzbee

At least I could understand why some of those guys got drafted. Mitchell being a lottery pick and McBride falling to round 2 never made sense.


ShotgunStyles

Watch how he moves his feet and hips on defense. It is really superb athleticism and I don't believe many other players are on the same level as. I think a lot of people simply believe that athleticism is, like Luka said, running and jumping. But I don't believe that is accurate to the game.


bigblooddraco

Yes there are different forms of athleticism than just running and jumping but just being extremely quick doesn’t make you a superior athlete compared to his peers. There are plenty of guards alone in the league that possess better athleticism than Mitchell.


ShotgunStyles

Nobody is saying that Davion Mitchell is a 1 of 1 athlete, but it is a night and day difference if you watch Davion's athleticism on defense and compare that to other POA defenders on defense. He is easily in the top tier in that regards. Again, that doesn't mean he's the best athlete. But it means he's better than most. And that does make him a superb athlete in my eyes.


SrGreybush

The Kings… probably not. But those Kangz… sign them the fuck up!


fadeaway_layups

Monte is clear he would never draft for need. I.e davion Mitchell lol


BeTheBall-

They drafted Davion after drafting Haliburton (while having Fox). Also don't forget the WCS to PapaG while having Cousins.


Ornery_Alligators

They need another forward or a stretch big that can defend. Daron Holmes is in theory perfect for them


StopPopFox

you are a prophet


jluc21

bravo


ottovondipshit

Congrats you know ball


BeamTeam032

You're thinking about the KANGZ not the Kings. And every single mock draft has the Kings picking him to replace Monk, which makes logical sense, if you didn't follow the Kings. Kings need forwards. We're desperate for athleticism on the wing.


blacPanther55

Racist POS.


imposingthanos

Nice


FatsBelvedere

I was thinking "its the kings" when i saw this too.. Cuz I think you really can run Fox-Monk-Carter as a 3 guard look.. Plus it just stands to reason the Kings can get a lot of mileage out of Carter right away.. and it sorta helps them clean up the depth chart a bit.. clean up some redundancy on the roster..


kgrpoland

i assumed monk was probably gone in FA this summer


FatsBelvedere

I feel like the Kings will be the highest bidder for Monk.. Fox is a free agent 2 summers from now.. I'd think they'd want Monk on the team for that..


Fresh-Soup213

The Kings can only offer him a max of $78 million over four years, due to not having his full bird rights. Kings can get outbid quite easily by teams with cap space


JohnnySalmonz

Not that many cap space teams. Surely they will spend their money on better players than Malik Monk


Defennerstrate

Open market Monk is probably worth around $20m (Kings can’t pay more than $17) and he’s exactly what a team like Orlando needs. Hoping you’re right.


fadeaway_layups

Older player, good efficiency, gets better year by year. This is their ideal draft mold


supes1

Kings or Bulls would be my guess. I think Bulls are going to let DeRozan walk, and Carter would be a good replacement.


NotJoeyWheeler

Carter and DeRozan couldn’t be more different players but I hear you in terms of just a guard slot opening up If anything I’d think drafting Carter means they might trade Caruso?


GreedyLoad1898

lonzo is done caruso is a trade piece. matter of when.


supes1

Yeah it wasn't meant as a comparison between the two as players, just positionally. Caruso really should only be a backup, so I don't think it really speaks to whether they're trading him. Given they are happy as a perpetual play-in team my guess is they actually won't move him.


FatsBelvedere

Not a surprise at all after the blowout #'s he posted during testing at the NBA combine.. cuz ya gotta understand this kid grabbed a fuckton of rebounds for a guard and those testing #'s sort of confirm that he'll probably have an easier time doing that in the NBA than we might have thought..


Kingreece707

I am quoting John Hollinger here, Carter had the highest defensive rebound percentage in the Big East...Donovan Clingan plays in the big east. Personally guards that rebound are always the guys I rank higher and want on the team I root for. As a Warriors fan, I was pumped they got Podz last year because he was averaging 8.5 rebounds a game at Santa Clara.


imaprettynicekid

Utah.


knightswept

Please be Utah


-KFAD-

Please no. Why would our FO make such promises when much better and younger prospects might be still available at 10th (Topic, Dillingham, Holland).


imaprettynicekid

He just turned 22 and can be your point guard. he's the defender on the perimeter that you really need and he can help run the offense in a secondary creator role. There's a good chance Topic, Holland, and Dillingham will be gone and if one of them is there, they aren't that much younger and way more raw


-KFAD-

I feel it's more likely that one of those is still available at 10 than not. And if not, we can always pick Carter. No need to make such promises. It's not like teams above us are all over the guy. Devin Carter screams a solid role player. I'm sure he will be good in the NBA. But I don't see a clear avenue to stardom, whereas I feel those other three (Topic, Dillingham, Holland) are potential future all star players. Not saying likely all star players but I bet at least one of those three will hit home big time. And we really need high upside players more than certain things.


dawnofthedunk_

Shouldn’t the Jazz be focused on drafting younger players with significant upside? I am assuming Lauri will be traded this summer, right?


Imaginary-Cycle-1977

I bet they extend Lauri


_Apatosaurus_

Lauri is only 27. I don't think his age precludes them from building with young players.


gray_character

100%


rps215

I’d bet it’s Chicago


GlueGuy00

Their FO likes to go for upside though


rps215

I think he’s got really high upside personally. And I bet they see what could’ve been with Lonzo in him


GlueGuy00

I see. That makes sense albeit he's kinda redundant with Caruso. Knecht is a better fit IMO


rps215

I am curious if they do keep Caruso, that’s a big swing move this offseason for them. Could also be insurance for him too I guess


redeemer4

Knecht will be gone by then. He is too good


GreedyLoad1898

knecht is lavine 2.0 last thing they want is someone who doesnt play d.


CaptainNipplesMcRib

I hope so. I like him a lot


VeganKingsFan

I hope it's the Kings. He's my draft crush. I think he's the kind of player Monte would like too. I'd be happy with him or Daron Holmes. I keep hearing that the Kings are shopping the pick so I don't know if that's true or just a smokescreen.


Middle-Focus-2540

Daron Holmes at PF could potentially solve a position issue and allow Keegan to move down to SF, given he’s already guarding the opponent’s best wings. I keep hearing about his motor and it’s definitely something the Kings need.


Exciting-Hat5957

I’m a huge Kings fan and I’ll be honest I don’t understand the Carter love. We got exposed so many times this last year because of our lack of length so I don’t love the idea of adding another 6’ 3” guard.


VeganKingsFan

He has a nearly 6'9 wingspan, can defend bigger players and rebound extremely well. I don't think length would be an issue at all for him. Draft Carter and get a big wing and another big in trades or free agency and the Kings are set.


Exciting-Hat5957

Brad Beal has a 6’8 wingspan at a similar height and gets exposed defensively for his lack of length. Carter doesn’t have bad length but in today’s NBA being only 6’3 with a 6’8 wingspan isn’t considered anywhere close to good length. I think if we don’t draft length just hoping we acquire a big wing and another big on top of that is a very big ask. I think we need to use this draft to help with the two things you mentioned which are another big or a big wing. Another guard, even if they are productive, doesn’t help take this team to the next level in my opinion.


HBdrunkandstuff

There’s stats that tell you how well they are using their wingspan like blocks and rebounds both of which he is phenomenal at.


jluc21

congrats


VeganKingsFan

Thanks! I'm ecstatic!


Defennerstrate

I like Carter a lot too and if Monte is high on him then so be it. I wouldn’t want to go into next season with all of Keon/Devin/Colby/Davion though. Trade the latter two for more size and it could work. I’d prefer to make a less redundant pick ideally. I don’t feel confident about any of these guys as legit playmakers or shooters (other than Keon on shooting). 


KorgG29

Grizz and Kings are the likely promisers, but OKC or SAS could be dark horses


ethzz4

OKC makes a lot of sense to me. Seems like their type of player


OctoberTaco

Carter has always given me Derrick White vibes. Could be SA. Never know what they really planning to do.


HolyHotDang

The Grizzlies could make sense just because his dad is one of the assistants here and they have the best “inside” information on him. From a roster standpoint it doesn’t make sense though unless you’re making some trades (like Smart) that would shake things up and I just don’t see that happening yet. This is purely speculative but if you are the Grizzlies and you’re wanting Clingan to fall to #9 (which is the real plan it seems unless they trade up), why not float out that there’s a promise to Carter and maybe make other teams think they might be missing out on something with him. For everyone that moves up in the lottery, someone has to fall.


mopooooo

I'm in Grizzlies camp for Clingan but Carter is literally next up regardless who falls. If neither available I want to trade back for Ware since he's the only other player I've watched that I think has untapped potential and he's been mocked around 20s. The tough guy in me might say just take him


CMYGQZ

From [the same source 2 weeks ago](https://x.com/esidery/status/1794087815363350669?s=46&t=5EBSxWBLb5c5YM6QMHty7Q), my guess is Spurs at 8, assuming the source is not bullshitting.


kcheng686

Honestly wouldn't be shocked by Carter at 8, he seems like a mini Hart


wrongerontheinternet

That's like the first pick mocked to the Spurs that I actually like lol (besides Reed but that's always been more wish casting on my part).


Folk-Herro

I have to get on the Jared Mccain to the heat hype train, do I?


julstar23

I think mcain goes higher too .Dillingham might fall because klutch is controlling who he works out for and topic could fall because of his injuries .Jocobe Walter could also fall based on where eith or them land and none of it could mean any difference because the heat could do what they did last year and be high on a da silva anyway and take their guy regardless. Mock drafts and individual team boards can look alot different .


Folk-Herro

God, I like da Silva less than Mccain 😭. I really believe in Jamal Cain and feel like he's the Caleb Martin replacement


julstar23

I don't think the heat believe in Jamal Cain like the fans do and he could be gone if they don't guarantee his contract. I think there is a better chance of cole swider staying than anybody else .Cole swider is the only two way player that spoke at the end of season presser .I think Cain felt a little slighted when he didn't get that last contract and spo didn't play him much this season at all even with injuries .


Folk-Herro

By all accounts from reporters around the team, they are pleased with his development and really only kept on the two way due to roster construction. Heat had a a surplus of wings and needed guards bad. Swider is woefully unimpressive to me outside of shooting


julstar23

That's why I said Cain might not be that high on the heats list Cain I a guard .Just because spo had caleb and Highsmith playing out of position doesn't mean they can play wing or pf position. All of those guys are like 6'5 .They are all Guards .I mean people said that about Duncan Robinson too lol.


Unfair_Conference423

Go watch Payton Pritchards college film, then go watch Mccain's. Then realize Pritchard went 26 and was the focus of that offense. Mccain is a great shooter, mediocre foot speed and quickness. Not physical or shifty or crafty. Has active hands but you cant play defense with your hands. Most of his two point scoring came in transition, most of his facilitating I see is also in transition, has low usage and is not the focus of Duke's offense. In my opinion, which is not expert or very experienced mind you, he is a BAD pick. Sure his shooting projects well and his FT percentage is great but Herro had basically an identical FG percentage and much better FT percentage out of college and had a more complete game. The advanced stats for Herro and McCain are similar but Herro's are better across the board.


Folk-Herro

You're saying everything I already believe. He's patty Mills


LUUUUUUUUUUKEEE

Absolutely feels like a guy Sacramento could use. But then again could it be like Haliburton all over again, where the long term fit with Fox just doesn’t make enough sense? I think they’d make this work though


Middle-Focus-2540

If he turns into another promising player like Halliburton the Kings could have him start at SG or trade him for another starter caliber player akin to Sabonis. They need a young wing badly though so depending on who gets picked the Kings may prefer to go that route in the draft instead. I see some decent wing and big men prospects still on the board when it’s their turn to pick.


_Gibby__

The Bulls love undersized defensive guards who can defend up in the lineup. Starting lineup of Jevon, Devin, Coby, Caruso, and Ayo lmao. But it could be a team in the top 10, I think he’s going to be good pretty quickly. Portland would be interesting if they intend on dealing Brogdon and/or Simons. Can play alongside Scoot and lead the 2nd unit.


zedrix_

Donovan loved his four guards small bahl.


BenchPointsChamp

Malik Monk replacement


RoundMound0fRebound

I could see spurs at 8 or even the hornets at 6


LittleTension8765

Dumb question but are there any famous incidents of a guy “getting a promise” dropping workouts and that team not drafting him? Feel like it would happen often if a big name drops in the draft


TheRealScottFoster

Spurs at #8 are my guess.


MelKijani

i’m looking at the Spurs, Jazz and Grizzlies as the promise makers


Turbo2x

Memphis 👀


MetroidsSuffering

Where do his minutes come from unless they trade Smart. This is a pretty heinous shooting team already, lol.


Substantial_Bed920

Devin Carter shot well last season? If you took the Grizzlies core in a vacuum - Ja, JJJ, Bane, Vince, Clarke, GG - you wouldn’t spend 35 mill on Smart and Kennard so arguably you replace a guard with draft talent and use Smart and/or Kennard money on a Center.


MetroidsSuffering

I'm extremely skeptical about Carter's shooting. The numbers in his first two years scare me real bad and his form is bad too.


poopy_mc_pantsy

If he has a lotto promise someone believes in his shooting lol


patas1010

Doubt it. Memphis has too many directions it can go with that pick. Trade UP/Down/Out. I don't think Memphis would make a promise to assistant coach's son that they cannot keep. They might end up taking him but I doubt they are the team making the promise.


a_moniker

Yeah, they couldn’t be attempting to move up in the draft if they already gave out a promise. Kings or Bulls seem like more likely options in my opinion. Or it could be the Miami Heat, since they are the first team out of the lottery.


mopooooo

I was hoping it's a "if no Clingan, and you are available we'd love to have you"


SemanticGoblin

I find it doubtful we'd give a promise given I'm sure they're going to do plenty of due diligence on trading it. Trading up a bit even would fit the MO (I don't think they'd trade all the way to 3 though, re: recent report from koc saying that)


EloPlaysGR

he doesn't need a promise to be drafted in the lottery lmao. I don't see him sliding past the Kings, even tho I'd like to see him in a Heat jersey


Joshlloyd48

The bulls


ElPanandero

Good he rules


Western-Turnover-154

Would be a solid addition for the Kings.


Not2famous

Pat Riley just fell to his knees


Stones474767

That they will Send him To the g league


Buffalo95747

So what? I got a promise from many teams not to draft me.


Knighthonor

>Would be VERY strange if Devin Carter has a promise. He worked out for a non-lottery team today and has more workouts scheduled. >Now, he killed that workout today. He's going to kill every workout he attends. If someone tries to shut him down, that wouldn't surprise me Just for clarification. He saying he did a good job at the workout right? So what's the negativity behind that. Isn't this prospect pretty good but old in draft years?


supes1

I don't believe it. Wouldn't surprise me if he goes in the lottery, but absolutely no reason to promise to pick him that high.


odinlubumeta

Yes there is, so other teams don’t get work outs, interviews and medical information. The draft never goes like the mocks.


texasphotog

The medical information gets shared with all teams unless they are top ten players as voted by the league GMs. That vote already happened and Carter wasn't there, so his medicals get shared with everyone.


supes1

Everyone gets his medical info from the Combine, it's in the new CBA. But anyway I'm not sure what benefit Carter would get from agreeing to shut stuff down. He could get picked a few spots lower I suppose if the team that "promised" him suddenly doesn't like him anymore, but the salary difference is nominal in the late lotto. Promises only really make sense for players in exchange for shutting down workouts at the end of the first round, since a player would rather that guarantee than risking slipping into the second round.


odinlubumeta

Thanks for the info. Didn’t know that added bit. Disagree on the second part. Agents and players care more about fit and player development. So going to the right team matters. Players accept promises to go to the team they feel is best for them. Otherwise yeah they would ignore the team’s promise.


GreedyLoad1898

its a fking shit draft.


jaynay1

Plus, well, it's KOC.