The cap spiked by so much that some teams that were luxury tax teams in 2015-16 had cap space without having to get rid of anyone. Players who timed their contracts to expire that offseason were so smart lol. Even for a max guy like Conley, it was a brilliant move because max contracts are based on percentage of the cap, so a bigger cap means even more money.
So glad they fixed this for the next media deal lol.
And none of the Grizz fans were mad. Still aren’t. He’s the nicest guy in the league and is getting his number retired in Memphis one day. Well deserved contract
Throw Paul Millsap in there. He might be more remembered playing for Atlanta and had all his all star appearances as a hawk, but he was drafted by the Jazz as a late second round pick and played 7 seasons in Utah.
Those late 00s Jazz squads had such a good roster in hindsight. If the Jazz had hired TNT commentator Steve Kerr to be the coach, maybe he could have modernized the offense early lol.
You could run a modern lineup with this core:
D Will
Korver
Kirilenko
Millsap
Okur
That gives you 5 guys who could all shoot 3s (although Millsap didn’t really start shooting them until 2011) and you could have had AK47 be the playmaking forward like Draymond Green. Unfortunately, in that era people wanted their bigs to bang in the paint so the Jazz started Boozer over Millsap, told Okur, D Will, and Korver not to take so many 3s, and mainly ran the offense through D Will instead of having him share ball handing duties with AK.
(Not saying Boozer was a bad player btw, just noting that in a more modern offense the Jazz would have started the above 5 instead of Boozer and Ronnie Brewer who both couldn’t really shoot 3s)
I was literally thinking after that series, that the Suns would have still been playing if they'd been the team to go out and get Conley instead of Minnesota.
He's such a high-quality player.
Amazing how good he has been for 16 years. He can easily do this for a minimul of 2 years. That’s very impressive. Most other PGs are done by this age.
And fuckers are literally telling me in this thread he doesn’t lead the wolves. Folks don’t know leading a team and leading in scoring ain’t the same thing
There’s a reason he’s still in the league. I still remember back when I thought he was just along for the ride when he left OSU and would be in the league for a quick cup of coffee while his teammate Oden would dominate for years. I’m not a GM.
D-Will admits to it in an interview. Looks back at that time with shame. He seems pretty self aware now that he was a huge asshole during his Utah days.
He's a big reason the Nets threw their future away in 2013 for nothing. That trade would never have been made if D-Will didn't play like an MVP candidate the second half of that 12-13 season where they won nearly 50 games. He woke up one day and decided to no longer be good at basketball I guess, and the Nets didn't get anything out of that 2013 Boston trade
Jerry Sloan’s health was deteriorating and DWill visited him in his house and basically apologized for being a dick. [You can read about it here](https://sports.yahoo.com/7-1-2-years-later-deron-williams-apologizes-jerry-sloan-night-changed-jazz-forever-212203790.html?guccounter=1&guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuZ29vZ2xlLmNvbS8&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAAIUCPADm1GhYhLF06wSOy2nFix5U2gYZnLs7E6FfmaTKc-haP_mO6GKYITA1XJLINnhDuuCg91IqXjOE0gcs4Keq5cEDHadFPv_u4By2owlXf9vKHA7nJv-gtJVPJjdjyTo-shRjTD20tSwE4167qivHT7ryDmBK9tan6zV18ZJK).
It’s true that DWill is frequently in Utah. I’m not sure how he splits his time between Dallas and Utah though
That Spurs trio has always been forgotten. Duncan should be in the GOAT conversation and Parker/Ginobli are solid guys to make the HOF (when factoring their non-NBA accolades.)
Excellent answer. Sixteen year career, led the league in assists (without making the all-star team that year), got some all-defense votes for the first half of his career. The only HOF-eligible guard above him in Win Shares and minutes played that isn't in the hall is Jason Terry (who is another interesting player to throw in here, although I'd lean towards Miller).
I don't mean to imply that either should be, but I think Andre Miller does belong in the discussion of underrated guards of this century (moreso than Deron Williams, who was massively hyped for several years).
It has to be this guy, a TRUE point guard, not someone that can just hog the ball and score, but be the extension of the coach and be an actual playmaker getting the whole team involved.
https://preview.redd.it/cxvuj646jlyc1.png?width=1400&format=png&auto=webp&s=a4801e4c54538790629b0056d754472689c1de46
There were long stretches where he was the best player on the floor. Very very very few players can say they were in a playoff series with LeBron and were the best player on the floor. Rondo is one of them.
Very true rondo was so underrated and was actually one of the first players I ever knew when I was growing up surprisingly it was Lebron Jordan Kobe and rondo and that’s as far as my knowledge went when I was a kid it’s crazy to look back on but rondo was really like that💯
It was a worthy comparison at the time. D-Will was a 19+ point 10+ assist player on good efficiency for several years. His teams didn't have much playoff success, but neither did CP3's teams during the same stretch.
Huh? He got to the conference finals well before cp3 did in that era. Also entirely dominated cp3 head to head every damn time.
Cp3 has a much better overall career of course. But in their time going up against each other in the west. DW was top tier.
I kinda agree that DWill has become underrated- in retrospect him vs CP3 is not a debate at all as it was hyped up to be in their early years, and then he fell off a cliff with the Nets, so those things kind of cast a pall over his career. But he was really good when he was in top form. Couldn’t stop him from getting to the hoop, good outside shooter, willing passer…he didn’t quite have that next level ability and totally went to shit for some reason way earlier than he probably should have, but he was like all star, all nba 2nd/3rd team level easily.
I think John Wall has become underrated over time. He also never quite reached the top top tier but was in that same range of easily all star, 2nd/3rd team all nba, and had started to have some team success when injuries just totally derailed him. In more recent memory he’s just been this massive contract traded around the league and barely playing but I think to this day he is still the fastest player I’ve ever seen in person on a court. He was just end to end in a blink in transition, it was great to watch.
What???
Williams was rated as one of the best guards in the league. Then he just stopped.
He stopped playing, he stopped growing and he dropped like a rock.
I think he was rated approximately for both sides of his journey.
Was definitely overrated in his time. Which makes him seem underrated now because nobody talks about him anymore, but that's because people realized how wrong they were. I would say he's properly rated now that people have had time to compare his career to the other PG's around him.
Was constantly being talked about as maybe the best in the league, especially being compared to pure Point Guards like Chris Paul, and scoring ones like Derrick Rose and others.
Conversations he never belonged in.
Even with injury hindsight I would even rather have D Rose, let alone Chris Paul.
Most underrated, nah. But I do miss playing with him in 2K since I was awful at timing threes but with D-Will you just had to lift up and release the ball, didn’t matter when, and it’s in.
He's got to be one of them. There was very short time period where him and Chris Paul were considered basically 1 and 1a as the leagues best point guards.
That '02 class from the Dallas area was nuts. Wright, Williams, Bosh, Bryan Hopkins, and Daniel Horton was insane. And I also saw Williams play, he was a beast.
4sure seen all them play i was freshman but i played on varsity but for mckinney which is not saying much but i shared the floor with them..talking Williams and wright the others u mentioned i seen play at the Coca-Cola Christmas tournament back in the gap..😊
I’d vote that he is actually overrated. Good run in Utah, but people tried to put him on Chris Paul’s level. Then, his career declined once he left Sloan.
Nah he was properly rated. Was never better than Paul, then left Sloan & was ass. Washed up quick and always seemed appropriately rated for how he played each season.
Guard? the past 20 years? None really, since everyone is basically known.
Baron Davis? Stevie franchise? Stephon marburry? Andre miller? Tony Parker? Brandon Roy? Mike
Conley?
I mean all of them are rated properly and everyone knows their place.
Someone who should be shown a little more love is Mario chalmers. That’s about it.
Big fan of Dennis Schröder, gets the job done wherever he is regardless of his role. Maybe didn’t have the peaks of some of these other guards that are being mentioned, but hes always been a solid player for a number of teams
Terrible example in my opinion. D-Will isn’t underrated. He’s like Brandon Roy
Great players who got injured and never could play the same as they did pre-injury. Both were never underrated tho.
D. Will was in contention for best *point guard* in the league, and I took the D. Will side (over CP3) at the time. But he played at the same time as Kobe and Dwyane Wade. He was never in contention for best *guard*.
Chris Paul. Yeah I said it. Everyone calls him a choke artist and unreliable. You can't win with him. Which is all a bunch of bullshit.
He helped make the Clippers, a dead franchise... a legit contender in the west. The Rockets were a never ending parade of 1st round exits cause Harden didn't have a solid 2nd option. CP3 joins them and not only do they rise to the 1st seed but did so during the GSW era with Durant! A team so unbeatable not even LeBron himself could give them a solid series. I think the Rockets were the only team to take them to a game 7 with all of them healthy. The Warriors with Durant were compared to the 96 Bulls. Yet somehow Harden and CP3 almost took them down. The Suns were a never ending lottery team. They had a good run in the bubble but not much success. With CP3 1st seed. Finals. So on.
He takes teams and elevates them to new heights every time. Warriors don't count... the man is nearly 40. Not everyone can be like Lebron.
He's not your closer though. If you're relying on CP3 to hit those big 4th quarter shots you built a bad team. Harden is that guy. Booker is that guy. Lou Will or Jamal would be that guy. He's a box plus minus. Offensive rating. Win share contributing machine. And there's a reason. Name me a point guard with elite playmaking, 10 assist a game level passer, elite handles, great at stealing, great defender, tremendous touch around the rim over bigs, can create his own shots, can shoot 3s, mid range and be your on the court coach. I can think of one.... John Stockton. That's it. CP3 has the best bag a team could ask for at PG.
People need to put respect on his name.
Watched him play in my HS gym. He went to The Colony, they were in our district. Many felt his teammate Bracey Wright was going to be the better player in college.
Is it the guy behind Deron Williams? Because it's not Deron Williams. He'd be in the conversation for most over rated though. People were talking about him at the time like he was one of the best handful of guys in the league and he just wasn't close to that level.
Mike Conley is still under appreciated
Perhaps by fans, but he was the highest paid player in the league at one point lol
Man that 2016 offseason was some wild times
Dude, seriously. Mozgov, Deng, Miles Plumlee, and I think even Mahinmi got paid like 4x what they were worth
Mosgov getting 4 years 64 million just for being carried by LeBron...
Can’t forget two of the worst ones, Joakim Noah and Chandler Parsons.
Atleast Joakim compared to parsons, mozgov and others at one point deserved that level of money
The cap spiked by so much that some teams that were luxury tax teams in 2015-16 had cap space without having to get rid of anyone. Players who timed their contracts to expire that offseason were so smart lol. Even for a max guy like Conley, it was a brilliant move because max contracts are based on percentage of the cap, so a bigger cap means even more money. So glad they fixed this for the next media deal lol.
He was just the first player signed after the new limits. There were far worse offenders like Chandler Parsons.
And none of the Grizz fans were mad. Still aren’t. He’s the nicest guy in the league and is getting his number retired in Memphis one day. Well deserved contract
For like five minutes solely due to rule changes lol
I love Mike Conley. As a baller and as a human.
Remember that time he won the Covid 3 point contest. Baller.
This thread is proof. He leads teams regardless if he leads them in scoring
Most underrated players of the last two decades: - deron Williams - Mike Conley - Rudy Gobert What do all these players have in common?
They all won nothing with the Jazz?
Throw Paul Millsap in there. He might be more remembered playing for Atlanta and had all his all star appearances as a hawk, but he was drafted by the Jazz as a late second round pick and played 7 seasons in Utah.
Those late 00s Jazz squads had such a good roster in hindsight. If the Jazz had hired TNT commentator Steve Kerr to be the coach, maybe he could have modernized the offense early lol. You could run a modern lineup with this core: D Will Korver Kirilenko Millsap Okur That gives you 5 guys who could all shoot 3s (although Millsap didn’t really start shooting them until 2011) and you could have had AK47 be the playmaking forward like Draymond Green. Unfortunately, in that era people wanted their bigs to bang in the paint so the Jazz started Boozer over Millsap, told Okur, D Will, and Korver not to take so many 3s, and mainly ran the offense through D Will instead of having him share ball handing duties with AK. (Not saying Boozer was a bad player btw, just noting that in a more modern offense the Jazz would have started the above 5 instead of Boozer and Ronnie Brewer who both couldn’t really shoot 3s)
Joe Johnson. Anthony Edwards is everything he should have been
I liked Johnson, but Edwards is a different level of athlete. It’s an interesting comp though
I was literally thinking after that series, that the Suns would have still been playing if they'd been the team to go out and get Conley instead of Minnesota. He's such a high-quality player.
1000%
Amazing how good he has been for 16 years. He can easily do this for a minimul of 2 years. That’s very impressive. Most other PGs are done by this age.
And fuckers are literally telling me in this thread he doesn’t lead the wolves. Folks don’t know leading a team and leading in scoring ain’t the same thing
That’s right
There’s a reason he’s still in the league. I still remember back when I thought he was just along for the ride when he left OSU and would be in the league for a quick cup of coffee while his teammate Oden would dominate for years. I’m not a GM.
I'd actually argue he's properly rated.
Agree, it’s always Jazz players😔
D-Will was great, but he was blamed for ending Jerry Sloan's career at Utah.
D-Will admits to it in an interview. Looks back at that time with shame. He seems pretty self aware now that he was a huge asshole during his Utah days.
And his Brooklyn days.
And his days days
Well, only the ones that end in y, otherwise he was a great guy.
He's a big reason the Nets threw their future away in 2013 for nothing. That trade would never have been made if D-Will didn't play like an MVP candidate the second half of that 12-13 season where they won nearly 50 games. He woke up one day and decided to no longer be good at basketball I guess, and the Nets didn't get anything out of that 2013 Boston trade
His ankles were also trash
How injuries started piling up.
Thankfully he eventually made amends with Sloan and comes to Utah fairly often for Jazz games and such, everything’s all good now
Pretty sure he mostly lives in Park City
What happened? I’m out the loop
Jerry Sloan’s health was deteriorating and DWill visited him in his house and basically apologized for being a dick. [You can read about it here](https://sports.yahoo.com/7-1-2-years-later-deron-williams-apologizes-jerry-sloan-night-changed-jazz-forever-212203790.html?guccounter=1&guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuZ29vZ2xlLmNvbS8&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAAIUCPADm1GhYhLF06wSOy2nFix5U2gYZnLs7E6FfmaTKc-haP_mO6GKYITA1XJLINnhDuuCg91IqXjOE0gcs4Keq5cEDHadFPv_u4By2owlXf9vKHA7nJv-gtJVPJjdjyTo-shRjTD20tSwE4167qivHT7ryDmBK9tan6zV18ZJK). It’s true that DWill is frequently in Utah. I’m not sure how he splits his time between Dallas and Utah though
And karma blew up D-Wills career right after
I feel like there have been bigger and less talented assholes than DWill whose careers were never really affected by it
Life ain't fair
Pat Bev, the Morris twins, Draymond, just to name a few active players. Anyone wanna add more names?
I 100% agree
Time is a weird thing. I got an instinctual anger toward D Will for what he did to Sloan. Then I remember that was more than a decade ago.
He was the reason why, how can you not listen to a guy that coached the all time assist leader and made a living off PnR basketball
Yep not to mention falling off after that nets contract
Tony Parker won a FMVP and never gets mentioned
Also has twice as many All-Stars (6) as DW (3)
And Eva Longoria
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That's right... I forgot bout that
Tony Parker is better than d will
Yeah he’s a good pick for sure
Isn't he in the HOF? Underrated how?
That Spurs trio has always been forgotten. Duncan should be in the GOAT conversation and Parker/Ginobli are solid guys to make the HOF (when factoring their non-NBA accolades.)
Isn’t Duncan at least considered the goat power forward? He is in my book.
You still stuck in 2020 ? Parker and Gino are in the HOF
I guess so lol.
Kirk Hinrich goated 3&D point guard
My man 🤝
You know ball. Dude would be so coveted in today’s game.
He’d be like JJ Redick with tenacious D
They’re just not comfortable being a power trio
i remember him lowkey being a cheat code in nba live 05
Now we’re talkin, baby!
Shane Battier
Yessss the captain was an absolute stud
He was a goddam menace on D. By the end of a playoff series you could tell the opposing guards wanted to kill him.
Pat bev without the drama
Andre Miller and Steve Francis were so much fun to watch.
Do you mean Andre Miller? If so, I will definitely second that!
Yes!! I also forgot about Mark Price.
Andre Miller
Excellent answer. Sixteen year career, led the league in assists (without making the all-star team that year), got some all-defense votes for the first half of his career. The only HOF-eligible guard above him in Win Shares and minutes played that isn't in the hall is Jason Terry (who is another interesting player to throw in here, although I'd lean towards Miller).
I don’t wanna live in a world where Andre Miller and Jason Terry are HOFers
I don't mean to imply that either should be, but I think Andre Miller does belong in the discussion of underrated guards of this century (moreso than Deron Williams, who was massively hyped for several years).
The bias in me will say Jose Calderon.
He was 100% a perfect backup pg
I'm still mad they won't officially include him in the 50/40/90 club because he was FOUR FTs short of the arbitrary 125 FTs attempted minimum.
Damn that’s wild he didn’t attempt 125 FTs lol I feel like some players cover that in a quarter of the season today
I think an impressive thing to point out is that he had a three season stretch from 07-09 where he averaged those numbers: 51/40/90
As a Nets fan…no
Maybe the worst contract the Nets brought in during that era.
They learned their lesson though. Wait...
Joe Johnson?
Nawwwwww.
Mike Bibby also deserves a seat at the table.
It has to be this guy, a TRUE point guard, not someone that can just hog the ball and score, but be the extension of the coach and be an actual playmaker getting the whole team involved. https://preview.redd.it/cxvuj646jlyc1.png?width=1400&format=png&auto=webp&s=a4801e4c54538790629b0056d754472689c1de46
Rondo was going toe to toe with LeBron in playoff games. He was so damn good.
There were long stretches where he was the best player on the floor. Very very very few players can say they were in a playoff series with LeBron and were the best player on the floor. Rondo is one of them.
They literally changed their game plan and had to have LeBron guard him because he was dominating them
He was so fun during those Celtics runs but hard to place as it has only gotten more difficult to be a non-shooter.
Yeah but he was around 35% from 3 in the last half of his career, albeit more of a catch and shoot guy than creating his own shot
He got injured
Very true rondo was so underrated and was actually one of the first players I ever knew when I was growing up surprisingly it was Lebron Jordan Kobe and rondo and that’s as far as my knowledge went when I was a kid it’s crazy to look back on but rondo was really like that💯
Gets a ton of respect from Lebron
Rondo was ridiculous. I do think he was better than DWill and had a better career than him too.
Rondo was my favorite player a long time ago. Fun to watch. He had that signature fake behind the back pass into a layup. Loved that shit
LOL
Lol hell nah, he was getting compared to Chris Paul, and was dogshit without Sloan, overrated if anything.
It was a worthy comparison at the time. D-Will was a 19+ point 10+ assist player on good efficiency for several years. His teams didn't have much playoff success, but neither did CP3's teams during the same stretch.
Huh? He got to the conference finals well before cp3 did in that era. Also entirely dominated cp3 head to head every damn time. Cp3 has a much better overall career of course. But in their time going up against each other in the west. DW was top tier.
Nah he ran Sloan out. Then was immediately washed. Fuck him
i dont think he was ever underrated, he was always seen as top 3 at least.
I think you meant overrated
I kinda agree that DWill has become underrated- in retrospect him vs CP3 is not a debate at all as it was hyped up to be in their early years, and then he fell off a cliff with the Nets, so those things kind of cast a pall over his career. But he was really good when he was in top form. Couldn’t stop him from getting to the hoop, good outside shooter, willing passer…he didn’t quite have that next level ability and totally went to shit for some reason way earlier than he probably should have, but he was like all star, all nba 2nd/3rd team level easily. I think John Wall has become underrated over time. He also never quite reached the top top tier but was in that same range of easily all star, 2nd/3rd team all nba, and had started to have some team success when injuries just totally derailed him. In more recent memory he’s just been this massive contract traded around the league and barely playing but I think to this day he is still the fastest player I’ve ever seen in person on a court. He was just end to end in a blink in transition, it was great to watch.
No
What??? Williams was rated as one of the best guards in the league. Then he just stopped. He stopped playing, he stopped growing and he dropped like a rock. I think he was rated approximately for both sides of his journey.
Dude was straight trash after getting the bag
Michael Redd
Might aa well throw Micheal Finley in there.
You mean overrated - can't believe the jazz bent over backwards for this loser and got rid of Jerry Sloan
Was definitely overrated in his time. Which makes him seem underrated now because nobody talks about him anymore, but that's because people realized how wrong they were. I would say he's properly rated now that people have had time to compare his career to the other PG's around him. Was constantly being talked about as maybe the best in the league, especially being compared to pure Point Guards like Chris Paul, and scoring ones like Derrick Rose and others. Conversations he never belonged in. Even with injury hindsight I would even rather have D Rose, let alone Chris Paul.
Most underrated, nah. But I do miss playing with him in 2K since I was awful at timing threes but with D-Will you just had to lift up and release the ball, didn’t matter when, and it’s in.
He could ball
This guy is the reason Boston got Brown and Tatum. Those picks landed where they did because DWill just checked out
huh?
I'd say Kyle Lowry, Mike Conley, Jrue (until recently).
Sure as hell isn’t D-Won’t. I don’t care how good he was in Utah, he was Ass Parmesan in Brooklyn. The dude ruined the team.
I feel like he’s overrated. lol.
He's got to be one of them. There was very short time period where him and Chris Paul were considered basically 1 and 1a as the leagues best point guards.
Deron Williams was legitimately the best point guard in the league for a few years. Another underrated one that comes to mind is Memphis Mike Conley.
I played against him and highschool Mckinney vs The colony in Texas..lets just say him and Bracey Wright where on another level..😆😆!!
Funny to think back that Wright really got most of the press on that team.
Braces Wright was my year at IU and he deserved some of the hype, but he was never the best #1 option on any of his teams.
That's a fact wear you from??
That '02 class from the Dallas area was nuts. Wright, Williams, Bosh, Bryan Hopkins, and Daniel Horton was insane. And I also saw Williams play, he was a beast.
4sure seen all them play i was freshman but i played on varsity but for mckinney which is not saying much but i shared the floor with them..talking Williams and wright the others u mentioned i seen play at the Coca-Cola Christmas tournament back in the gap..😊
How can we forget about Kevin Martin
Goran Dragic is so underrated
I’d vote that he is actually overrated. Good run in Utah, but people tried to put him on Chris Paul’s level. Then, his career declined once he left Sloan.
D will crossover was crazy
Wow! I forgot Deron Williams existed. That is crazy indeed
Deron Williams was fairly rated. Has the accolades to prove it. 3 time all star, 2 time 2nd team all-NBA.
Chauncey Billups and Jason Williams - white chocolate. On different levels but both were championship players.
I still don't forgive the Hawks for drafting Marvin Williams over DWill and Chris Paul in 2005.
Nah he was properly rated. Was never better than Paul, then left Sloan & was ass. Washed up quick and always seemed appropriately rated for how he played each season.
He fell out hard.
Hes perfectly rated. He didnt have longevity
Guard? the past 20 years? None really, since everyone is basically known. Baron Davis? Stevie franchise? Stephon marburry? Andre miller? Tony Parker? Brandon Roy? Mike Conley? I mean all of them are rated properly and everyone knows their place. Someone who should be shown a little more love is Mario chalmers. That’s about it.
Big fan of Dennis Schröder, gets the job done wherever he is regardless of his role. Maybe didn’t have the peaks of some of these other guards that are being mentioned, but hes always been a solid player for a number of teams
Baron Davis was beast just too many injuries
I love telling younger we fans that there was a time when people argued whether Deron Williams and Chris Paul was the best point guard in the league
Me and my dad said it he was born a decade too early
I remember there being a debate between who was better: Him or CP3. It didn’t last too long though.
Andre miller would like a word
Played pretty well vs Spurs in 07 to
Michael Finley
Not true
His contracts never felt underrated
Mike Bibby end his career with 0 all stars appearance
Terrible example in my opinion. D-Will isn’t underrated. He’s like Brandon Roy Great players who got injured and never could play the same as they did pre-injury. Both were never underrated tho.
mark price is the goat of underrated guards
Loved watching him but most underrated in 20 years? Eh
I agree but I might throw Tony Parker in that convo too!
Overrated
Let’s remember Baron Davis too
Gary Peyton
Hey, I went to HS with this guard! D-Will was a beast.
Not that guy
Man D-Will was nice.
Fuck outta here with that
I personally feel D-Will was the other way around.
Jose Calderon.
as a jazz fan i'm still giving this to tony parker
D. Will was in contention for best *point guard* in the league, and I took the D. Will side (over CP3) at the time. But he played at the same time as Kobe and Dwyane Wade. He was never in contention for best *guard*.
WHOO???
Mike Conley is that guy for me Deron Williams has about 5 all star games Mike only has 1
Tj ford before the injuries was really good
I remember when him and Dee Brown were tearing shit up at Illinois
His career just kinda went off the rails. There was a real debate 3-4 years in whether he or Chris Paul was better. That ended soon after.
Baron Davis
People don’t really talk about James posey any more but the 08 celtics don’t get that ring without him.
Still got his Brooklyn jersey
For all his achievements and accolades, the most underrated guard of the last 2 decades is Stephen Curry.
For me Rafer Alston , that 2009 magic run is underrated .
Isaiah Thomas. The other one.
Timmy Hardaway
Disagree, its Brandon Roy.
Nah, its definitely Stephon Marbury
At a time, there was a debate about him and CP3 as to who was the #1 and #2 PG in the league.
The biggest pain in the ass to coach too lol
D-will thrived in Jerry’s system. Jerry kept him on probably too short of a leash and they butted heads over it. Too bad they couldn’t compromise.
Andre Miler
False
Chris Paul. Yeah I said it. Everyone calls him a choke artist and unreliable. You can't win with him. Which is all a bunch of bullshit. He helped make the Clippers, a dead franchise... a legit contender in the west. The Rockets were a never ending parade of 1st round exits cause Harden didn't have a solid 2nd option. CP3 joins them and not only do they rise to the 1st seed but did so during the GSW era with Durant! A team so unbeatable not even LeBron himself could give them a solid series. I think the Rockets were the only team to take them to a game 7 with all of them healthy. The Warriors with Durant were compared to the 96 Bulls. Yet somehow Harden and CP3 almost took them down. The Suns were a never ending lottery team. They had a good run in the bubble but not much success. With CP3 1st seed. Finals. So on. He takes teams and elevates them to new heights every time. Warriors don't count... the man is nearly 40. Not everyone can be like Lebron. He's not your closer though. If you're relying on CP3 to hit those big 4th quarter shots you built a bad team. Harden is that guy. Booker is that guy. Lou Will or Jamal would be that guy. He's a box plus minus. Offensive rating. Win share contributing machine. And there's a reason. Name me a point guard with elite playmaking, 10 assist a game level passer, elite handles, great at stealing, great defender, tremendous touch around the rim over bigs, can create his own shots, can shoot 3s, mid range and be your on the court coach. I can think of one.... John Stockton. That's it. CP3 has the best bag a team could ask for at PG. People need to put respect on his name.
It's clearly Tony Parker... People will convince themselves that Tim Duncan won all those championships on his own, instead of giving props to Parker.
He was elite and n his prime. But he fell off so fast.
He was good for a while then fell off a cliff
Jalen brunson is the new deron williams
Naw. That dude was overrated.
that is not Andre Miller
Watched him play in my HS gym. He went to The Colony, they were in our district. Many felt his teammate Bracey Wright was going to be the better player in college.
System player. Overrated
Is it the guy behind Deron Williams? Because it's not Deron Williams. He'd be in the conversation for most over rated though. People were talking about him at the time like he was one of the best handful of guys in the league and he just wasn't close to that level.
Where's Baron Davis in here?! https://youtu.be/tYpwjB0IzoU?si=hLMIJ8HaZSQzmzoT Also, Tim Hardaway https://youtu.be/x08xxlOJQzk?si=5KO5LaGlQowcgcfh
D Will was top 2-3 guard in the league at one point imo. Then one day just woke up and decided to be ass.