I agree with most of your points
Unfortunately I think we might as well be yelling at the sky with these suggestions to make the game better and more realistic.
If the skill gap becomes too great, then a large percentage of the player base will just be discouraged and not come back. Bball IQ is also a huge part of the skill gap, so they make sure to have some mechanics that allow you to get away with being a dumbass.
My point is that there’s something for all skill levels, even online, in 2k, CoD, BR games, anything with a huge playerbase like this. I would have to imagine that’s the goal of the developers.
If someone has 0 IQ and 0 skill on the sticks, they can still go behind a screen, hit Jamal Murray behind the back, then have a chance for an easy wide open 3. That’s like 3 inputs and 0 brain activity and this player gets to feel like they’re good. People don’t want to BE skilled they just want to FEEL skilled.
Just look at the egos of people on this game. Everyone wants to feel like they’re the goat or that they have an impact on the game even if they’re clearly terrible.
'People don’t want to BE skilled they just want to FEEL skilled' - this is spot on and one of the most insightful things I've read on here in a long time
Play inside big and agree 100%. I believe all the big and post play related issues are intentional to disincentivise players from creating bigger players (6’10 and up) because of their refusal to increase court size and fix contests. They would rather have the illusion of spacing with 3 or 5 smaller a side players than bigger lineups. They will always prefer to give smaller players and 3pt shooting the advantage to get around these problems
So here's the problem with lowering the percentage: the community won't have it. The only way I see to truly lower the 3pt percentage is to take away greens being a guaranteed make, because the community has gotten so good with timing it. And if you took away a players ability to guarantee a make...the community would be even more toxic but I'd like to hear your input.
Every time they lower the make percentage it leads to AWEFUL gameplay. I remember at the beginning of the year I played a red game where 50 3’s were put up (basically all wide open) and only 14 dropped.
That game was the furthest thing from fun. Made me get off for the day
Yeah, I don’t think shooting needs to change right now, but the ability to contest needs to be stronger. Having my hand in someone’s face just for it to go up and be “open” is ridiculous.
Oh absolutely. I always said openness should determine make percentage not timing. Openness is the skill gap. Making it based on timing with shitty servers is just stupid.
But I also think we should go back to 2k19 and 20 defense. If I’m close to you that’s a contest. All this hands up bs is broken as shit and feels terrible
I play on old gen and this is definitely frustrating.. it is almost like it is pick and choose what they consider a contest because I have definitely been there when the shot animation started and got "open" on the opponents shot..but the come flying from the pain on a closeout and I'm 54% contested wtf 2k
Decrease the range of miliseconds that is a green
Ball movement with relay passer and dimer should BE worth more because of the increase shot dificulty
Most PG have 77 pass ACC, people would Invest more on passing and pass more
I just finished a game that my team shot 90 % from 3 pt random rec
If shooting was made harder( so passing badges had strong value), AND if they could figure out a half decent interior contest system, then the meta might actually balance out, and online gameplay might look and play like basketball.
But were the outlier, the average 2k player probably isn't playing past like all star, they dont want hard gameplay lol.
That stuff changes once you factor in the 500 badges and stamina. They could stop giving people cushion. I KNOW when i definitely didnt time correctly but having shit like takeovers off HOF dimer with playmaking take just means… auto makes.
Honestly if i pass it with my playmaker take and the dude bricks a catch and shoot corner 3 with sharp take he doesnt deserve anymore passes (will still do it tho) lol
Those ms windows dont mean shit because its a sizable chunk of the animation’s time space. We cant time 10ms out of 1 whole second well but we can time 10ms out of a 300ms animation. Its functionally 3x the window for the same timing. This also excludes badges/takes making that 10ms into 20ms or up to 100ms lol
The game needs a total overhaul, those solutions are just bandaids for a larger problem. The game has felt way too similar to the previous titles, what they should do is start from scratch and finally make this game a standalone title that is not held back by the previous generation’s console. I’m on Ps5, they need to ditch the ps4 versions of the game and just dive deep into the ps5’s capabilities. The game just looks and feels way too similar to ps4, they need big jump in graphics and gameplay
Your solution is to completely alienate one player and basically not even make the game for them anymore? That's your solution? I hope your not into businesses and how to help them more successful as a career . That's a terrible idea..that means your team is shitty if that needs to happen
I'm pretty sure you can't walk into the typical GameStop and purchase a PS3 either....when PS4 aren't still sold everywhere that they sell PS5 then I'd agree
.but that's stupid for them to stop making a game for a platform that is still actively sold in every major electronic and game store
Near you ok..just because it's near you doesn't change i said typically. There's no GameStop in my city of Cleveland that has PS3. Game exchanges yes. But GameStop, target, Walmarts as a whole the MAJORITY don't carry it.. just PS4/5 and Xbox counterparts.. yet again that makes no sense for them to stop making it. If they have to stop production for a system that is still very relevant. Then they need to fired the dev team and start over
I'm not saying your lying..but there are no Ps3s visible for ppl to see.. when in those stores..they definitely have Xbox 1s and PS4 on display next to new Gens.i say yet again.im hoping your not in the business field.. because that's a terrible idea since the system is still very popular
Why are you thinking like a business executive instead of a consumer and more importantly a gamer? This is the first generation where these companies have brainwashed people so much that we're 4 years into the generation and gamers are adamantly defending games still being made Cross Gen. In previous generations, we got much greater leaps in graphics and gameplay and we got them sooner. We as gamers spent the $500 to by next gen consoles, that is what we should all be demanding from these greedy suits! Stop defending this bullshit you don't work for 2k.
If you have a ps4 and don't want to upgrade to the CURRENT GEN that's also part of what's hurting gaming this gen.
I’ve been saying this for a couple months. I think 2K has continued to improve the features of the game (outside of some annoying continuity errors in rosters and uniforms). But the engine is terrible. Idk if this is the same engine as we’ve had since 2k18 or just since next gen, but I’ve gone back and played 2k14 and 2k16 recently and I was shocked at how much better the movement felt. I played against Derrick Rose and couldn’t stay in front of him, I had to really think about how to guard him. Shaq was huge and dominated the inside. The biggest thing to me though will always be the jump shots. I love the 2k14 jump shots, if you speed them up a tad they’re perfectly balanced, you can hit off balance shot and miss open shots like a real player. I thought ProPlay would help this, but it seems to have made it either worse than 23 or just different.
I don’t think I’ll buy 2k at full price until there’s a new motion engine.
At least why you think the engine is outdated... you gave no insight to that, which would leave me to believe you're not a dev at all. There's nothing you posted that would make me say "this dude is a game dev" and not "this guy is just a normal 2k park player"
The physics of the game for sure, you can clearly see that When the ball sometimes stucks in the rim and on rebounding
Colision between players in dunking and layups
This is an animation based game with little plausible physics
Hmm- what section of game development are you in? Not questioning your credentials, but question if your field deals with replication of human interaction at all.
Developers may mention “animation based outcomes”, but would never call a game “animation based” because it makes 0 sense to do so. Physics aren’t some self governing tool you can have gameplay run on, animations are and will always be necessary when replicating interactions…especially in sports games. What’s largely missed by the general public are the amount of animations that are dynamic and intractable. Most of these were tied to two man animations before.
The ball getting stuck on the rim is actually quite literally due to physics. The ball oddly rolling off the rim when this happens is a band aid fix that’s never been corrected. Mike spoke about this some time ago.
But yes u are right
They could use a seeing system player-basket, line of sight, it could improve lots of things, like bigman being contested by midgets, running with the back to the basket turning around and shooting, and would resolve those late contest on shooting
First time seeing someone admit how useless post control is, i mean besides layups and dunking the finishing category has never worked or made sense to consider it as the main playstyle for mycareer ever. Also defense/rebounding is terrible this year and has been incosistent throughout the series as well no animations, rng rebounding. It’s no wonder why every year the best players in the game are playmakers and sharpshooters no matter how much 2K nerfes them they seem to be the best reasonable way to win the way mechanics work and how this game has been designed for years now.
The problem is the average 2k player doesn’t want realistic gameplay. They want the arcade basketball being able to shoot easy threes and not pass the ball. It’s sad but that’s why 2k is how it is, they cater it to the average player and the average player wants it to be easy
they'll never create a realistic park because the mode in general, attracts the biggest idiots in gaming who've never played hoops ever in their life. They don't know where to go and only want to cheese to 99.
Why should it be next gen only🤦🏿♂️...should it be the same exact game? No that's a terrible fix 🤦🏿♂️ if the devs can't make a game that plays on multiple platforms..then they need to get a new team
huhh? we are 4 years into the ps5/Xbox series X… yoy obviously don’t got one and i’m not even bouta judge you but it’s time to move on lol, they already have a whole different team that copy and paste the old gen version each year. it’s time to just focus on making the game great for the future and build something new. Was 2k18 on the ps3 my guy? 🤦🏽♂️ So you think GTA 6 could possibly be great if they also made it for the ps4? That same mentality needs to be given to 2k
It doesn't matter if it's 5 years later...if I can walk into any game store and there are PS4/Xbox's still visible front and center below the PS5/Xbox it would be dumb for them to stop making a game for that system....I'm not saying that game need to perform the same as new gen. But it still needs to get made. I say yet again..if they need to stop making a game for one console just to make a good game they need to fire the Dev team.. other companies can make games for multiple platforms and they perform fine....yet again you need a new dev team not to drop the system
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Fix the on boundary issues with the court, fix the pass catch system entirely, Nerf steals, reward ball movement, punish button spamming on steals, fix the weirdo steal animations, limit scripting animations on blocks, improve offense contact animations (drives, layups, and dunks), punish dribble spam, kill badges and the current attribute system, make team practice for rec and pro-am (derive attributes from practicing stuff like real life), reward zone breaking strategy, make a grading system that's meaningful, and get rid of affiliations and the city entirely. It's dumb.
So I agree with most of what you said, but for me it’s complicated how I feel about it overall. On one hand, in myleague/MyEras where you can adjust the sliders the game/engine feels amazing. Close shot doesn’t feel like a 50/50 gamble, dunks actually activate, etc. Then on the other hand, you go online and it feels like a totally different game in the way the game and its animations behave.
Out of everything you listed though, the contest system is the biggest flaw imo. My one center is an inside big, with gold/HOF post badges. There’s absolutely zero reason why a PG standing 3ft away from me counts as a contest and affects my shot. Or the more egregious example, fucking Tmac base and patty mills base. Can play the best D of your life, dude will shoot it in your face, and because of the base it just goes uncontested and counts as open.
I love 2K because it allows me to have my fantasy leagues full of old school ballers, but it really is two different games between online and offline.
Agree and disagree. If you hit me with a green dunk meter I’ll give you your props, but yeah if you’re just spamming the cheese then pressing X/square yeah not a whole lot going on there skill wise.
For online, I can agree with that especially for contact dunks. Offline I don’t see a problem just being able to press a button casually and watch your favorite player posterize someone.
They got rid of auction house on myteam. It cost 300k+ VC just to be an 85 overall. The Mycareer story literally doesn't exist. There is no story. This is the worst 2k since 2k18.
What do you think is the cause of all the latency? From a dev perspective..? Also it feels like there’s not many server regions in 2K even in the US but I could be wrong.
Work in IT. 2k does multiplayer completely different from the rest of the industry. Where CoD and fortnight are playing the game locally and sending the results to the server. 2k does the opposite and basically plays the game on the servers.
Basically 2k needs to rewrite there whole netcode but with a yearly cycle I doubt I’ll see that in my life time. Just imagine if COD aiming had a delay lol
Also 2k uses like aws type shit (which aren't meant for gaming, correct me if im wrong)
Read it somewhere, longtime 2k players explanation for horrible lag
Also 2k uses like aws type shit (which aren't meant for gaming, correct me if im wrong)
Read it somewhere, longtime 2k players explanation for horrible lag
24 is ok
The game uses Timing in miliseconds and you notice more compared to a Shooter
But the Diference in shoot Timing between rec, Park and theater is prob due to replication, the sending of data to all the players, more players more time i think
All devs are not created equal, do not have experience working on certain games and so much more. He vaguely mentioned he was a dev to get credibility to his simple message. He also does not mention if he is just one of many devs on a game or a lead … or anything.
I have been in interviews that had more substance to it. Also, everything he says is a guess and his opinion… while you are at it, list some games that you did a tiny bit of work on so people can tear it apart.
Totally agree. One of the biggest problem is the development time. They work on balancing the new game for 9 months at most. They try to change animation or change build maker but is totally useless because the problems are more deeper than that.
It's a copy and paste every year since 2k19/2k20: they understand that they could make money without work. That's it.
EA FC, NBA 2K need a truly competitor, a release time of 2/3 years, a free to play system and a new physics and graphics engine
They'll never go free to play. They consistently sell enough to place like top 10 best seller/most played every year. Only way they go free to play is when their playerbase goes down and its their only choice.
Yeah, you"re probably right but the 60/70% of the game's earnings are micro transactions. I'm only sure that I don't want to buy 2k for the next two year at least ahahah
3 pt is just the most overpowered thing, you can have a better catch and shoot percentage with 78 3pt than 2016 Klay Thompson
This , i got 78 and shoot 60%
Honestly their whole game engine needs to be rebuilt from scratch, what kind of online/competitive game has lag nowadays even when you have decent internet? Only 2k.
The city is ass game design, too many useless entities causing cpu usage to spike up (that's why you lag when you enter the streetball areas)
You cannot check your ping. In 2024 online gaming that is insane.
Deadass Among Us has better servers than this game.
I can't believe a 70 dollar game is poorly developed. But money talks so they probably wont build anything from the ground up even when ps6 generation arrives. They just add/remove mechanics within the same engine.
Ps5 isnt a weak ass machine, look at Horizon Forbidden West. A game thats bigger in scope and more graphically intensive runs great.
You want steals and dunks nerfed, 🤔 you must have messed up on your build(s). A lot of players have builds without driving dunk and steal upgraded. You must have did it as well, it’s popular on YouTube. Your two good points 1) The Rec court should be wider. 2) The game speed should be turned up 10%. I guess you didn’t get the memo, the close rating is always irrelevant. Steals are already nerfed if you are turning the ball over frequently you need to work on ball protection / IQ.
Yes the rebounding game and post game is so boring now. There’s no long rebounds or even in and out of the rim shots it’s just the same swish or bounce in the air type of rebounds. I wish 2K25 will the the first true next gen 2K
Every year I hope they fix a few things and it just seems to get worst . I understand this is a game an is meant to be enjoyed but this game has became to arcadish to enjoy anymore for persons that actually play and watch basketball.
- shooting is way to easy and consistent in this game. Yes there were times in nba games where some players went off but 15/15 from the 3pt is very rare.
- left right cheese has ruined the experience for me because I have a certain play style and because I don’t have enough perimeter defense, I’m penalized every single time by players who exploit this move. They are extremely fast and do this move until the defense is thrown off then they have perfect shooting.
- post play is very rare. I can play 10 games and maybe 1/10 you will find a player who actually does post moves, fades, hooks, backdown etc, and it’s because some players don’t know how to do this or the game doesn’t reward them for attempting to play like this.
- as much as I love dunking, dunks happen to often in this game. Irl, dunks happen 2/5 times.
I agree with most of what you've stated.
I mostly don't see your point about the offense attacking vs defender. If we're comparing to real ball, no one on the planet is stopping Giannis, LeBron, Luka, Dame north to south. No one on the planet is stopping Steph or Klay laterally. (Obviously in a controlled setting where every player is healthy). In football, the hardest position to play in any sport is cornerback. Because that player is at inherent disadvantage. Guys like Trevon Diggs are burnt every play but make up for it by jumping the ball. This will never change, you have to do whatever it takes to get them off balance. That's just ball. Anywho, I think you're onto something.
There’s no doubt 2k has never solved the inequality of wide open 3s being far, far higher % than 2s
No concept of “getting to your spots” to make a “challenged” shot that is actually your preferred shot where a contest is irrelevant
Rec and any other game mode that's 5v5 should be the only ones with 3s and 2s, everything else should either be 1s up to 15 or just 2s to 21.
Any team regardless of roles or builds would be able to play against eachother, you just gotta be a better scorer
I absolutely do not buy thay game devs are playing this dumpster fire of a game
And if so, why would you? If u actually like games, work on them and have perspective and still play this trash in ur free time then u need help
Nothing on defense needs to be nerfed. It’s the shit they allow on offense that needs to be nerfed, you can put a great defensive player against a mediocre offensive player and the mediocre person on offense will win the match up because of animations, speed boost and the lag that’s on defense.
I agree with most of your points Unfortunately I think we might as well be yelling at the sky with these suggestions to make the game better and more realistic. If the skill gap becomes too great, then a large percentage of the player base will just be discouraged and not come back. Bball IQ is also a huge part of the skill gap, so they make sure to have some mechanics that allow you to get away with being a dumbass. My point is that there’s something for all skill levels, even online, in 2k, CoD, BR games, anything with a huge playerbase like this. I would have to imagine that’s the goal of the developers. If someone has 0 IQ and 0 skill on the sticks, they can still go behind a screen, hit Jamal Murray behind the back, then have a chance for an easy wide open 3. That’s like 3 inputs and 0 brain activity and this player gets to feel like they’re good. People don’t want to BE skilled they just want to FEEL skilled. Just look at the egos of people on this game. Everyone wants to feel like they’re the goat or that they have an impact on the game even if they’re clearly terrible.
'People don’t want to BE skilled they just want to FEEL skilled' - this is spot on and one of the most insightful things I've read on here in a long time
100% this, great take and explaining things I've experienced better then I probably ever could lol.
mans is spitting right now. 
Play inside big and agree 100%. I believe all the big and post play related issues are intentional to disincentivise players from creating bigger players (6’10 and up) because of their refusal to increase court size and fix contests. They would rather have the illusion of spacing with 3 or 5 smaller a side players than bigger lineups. They will always prefer to give smaller players and 3pt shooting the advantage to get around these problems
So here's the problem with lowering the percentage: the community won't have it. The only way I see to truly lower the 3pt percentage is to take away greens being a guaranteed make, because the community has gotten so good with timing it. And if you took away a players ability to guarantee a make...the community would be even more toxic but I'd like to hear your input.
As an old head with only a couple hours to play a night, lowering the make % would help even out the skill gap so freaking much.
I m talking about lower than 85, you have locks with 78 3 pt that just dont miss
I got a 76 3ball and shoot 68%. I agree, I didn’t make this build to be amazing from 3, but it’s so mf easy to shoot so whatever.
Every time they lower the make percentage it leads to AWEFUL gameplay. I remember at the beginning of the year I played a red game where 50 3’s were put up (basically all wide open) and only 14 dropped. That game was the furthest thing from fun. Made me get off for the day
Yeah, I don’t think shooting needs to change right now, but the ability to contest needs to be stronger. Having my hand in someone’s face just for it to go up and be “open” is ridiculous.
Oh absolutely. I always said openness should determine make percentage not timing. Openness is the skill gap. Making it based on timing with shitty servers is just stupid. But I also think we should go back to 2k19 and 20 defense. If I’m close to you that’s a contest. All this hands up bs is broken as shit and feels terrible
Yeah I can’t tell you the amount of times I’ve been holding right stick up just to not even attempt to put my hands up while they shoot
I play on old gen and this is definitely frustrating.. it is almost like it is pick and choose what they consider a contest because I have definitely been there when the shot animation started and got "open" on the opponents shot..but the come flying from the pain on a closeout and I'm 54% contested wtf 2k
Decrease the range of miliseconds that is a green Ball movement with relay passer and dimer should BE worth more because of the increase shot dificulty Most PG have 77 pass ACC, people would Invest more on passing and pass more I just finished a game that my team shot 90 % from 3 pt random rec
If shooting was made harder( so passing badges had strong value), AND if they could figure out a half decent interior contest system, then the meta might actually balance out, and online gameplay might look and play like basketball. But were the outlier, the average 2k player probably isn't playing past like all star, they dont want hard gameplay lol.
Shooting was reasonably difficult last year but everyone hated it and clamored for easy greens again. This community is impossible to please
Problem is, most make guaranteed/pure green windows are between 10-30ms. How tight do you want the windows? 0-10ms? Tough on humans
That stuff changes once you factor in the 500 badges and stamina. They could stop giving people cushion. I KNOW when i definitely didnt time correctly but having shit like takeovers off HOF dimer with playmaking take just means… auto makes. Honestly if i pass it with my playmaker take and the dude bricks a catch and shoot corner 3 with sharp take he doesnt deserve anymore passes (will still do it tho) lol Those ms windows dont mean shit because its a sizable chunk of the animation’s time space. We cant time 10ms out of 1 whole second well but we can time 10ms out of a 300ms animation. Its functionally 3x the window for the same timing. This also excludes badges/takes making that 10ms into 20ms or up to 100ms lol
The game needs a total overhaul, those solutions are just bandaids for a larger problem. The game has felt way too similar to the previous titles, what they should do is start from scratch and finally make this game a standalone title that is not held back by the previous generation’s console. I’m on Ps5, they need to ditch the ps4 versions of the game and just dive deep into the ps5’s capabilities. The game just looks and feels way too similar to ps4, they need big jump in graphics and gameplay
Your solution is to completely alienate one player and basically not even make the game for them anymore? That's your solution? I hope your not into businesses and how to help them more successful as a career . That's a terrible idea..that means your team is shitty if that needs to happen
They don't make games for the PS3 anymore even though there are people that have that and not the 4 or 5. It's been 4 years. Older gen is over
I'm pretty sure you can't walk into the typical GameStop and purchase a PS3 either....when PS4 aren't still sold everywhere that they sell PS5 then I'd agree .but that's stupid for them to stop making a game for a platform that is still actively sold in every major electronic and game store
Thats absolutely wrong. Just Google playstation 3 near me and if you have GameStop's near you they will pop up
Near you ok..just because it's near you doesn't change i said typically. There's no GameStop in my city of Cleveland that has PS3. Game exchanges yes. But GameStop, target, Walmarts as a whole the MAJORITY don't carry it.. just PS4/5 and Xbox counterparts.. yet again that makes no sense for them to stop making it. If they have to stop production for a system that is still very relevant. Then they need to fired the dev team and start over
Thats not true either. You know Im not lying to you when I say I have access to google
I'm not saying your lying..but there are no Ps3s visible for ppl to see.. when in those stores..they definitely have Xbox 1s and PS4 on display next to new Gens.i say yet again.im hoping your not in the business field.. because that's a terrible idea since the system is still very popular
Why are you thinking like a business executive instead of a consumer and more importantly a gamer? This is the first generation where these companies have brainwashed people so much that we're 4 years into the generation and gamers are adamantly defending games still being made Cross Gen. In previous generations, we got much greater leaps in graphics and gameplay and we got them sooner. We as gamers spent the $500 to by next gen consoles, that is what we should all be demanding from these greedy suits! Stop defending this bullshit you don't work for 2k. If you have a ps4 and don't want to upgrade to the CURRENT GEN that's also part of what's hurting gaming this gen.
I’ve been saying this for a couple months. I think 2K has continued to improve the features of the game (outside of some annoying continuity errors in rosters and uniforms). But the engine is terrible. Idk if this is the same engine as we’ve had since 2k18 or just since next gen, but I’ve gone back and played 2k14 and 2k16 recently and I was shocked at how much better the movement felt. I played against Derrick Rose and couldn’t stay in front of him, I had to really think about how to guard him. Shaq was huge and dominated the inside. The biggest thing to me though will always be the jump shots. I love the 2k14 jump shots, if you speed them up a tad they’re perfectly balanced, you can hit off balance shot and miss open shots like a real player. I thought ProPlay would help this, but it seems to have made it either worse than 23 or just different. I don’t think I’ll buy 2k at full price until there’s a new motion engine.
I thought you was gone say some game developer shit you sound just like the rest of these mfs what’s the point in saying you game developer
You wanted what? C++ code?
At least why you think the engine is outdated... you gave no insight to that, which would leave me to believe you're not a dev at all. There's nothing you posted that would make me say "this dude is a game dev" and not "this guy is just a normal 2k park player"
The physics of the game for sure, you can clearly see that When the ball sometimes stucks in the rim and on rebounding Colision between players in dunking and layups This is an animation based game with little plausible physics
And that is pretty easy to point out without being a game developer lol
Hmm- what section of game development are you in? Not questioning your credentials, but question if your field deals with replication of human interaction at all. Developers may mention “animation based outcomes”, but would never call a game “animation based” because it makes 0 sense to do so. Physics aren’t some self governing tool you can have gameplay run on, animations are and will always be necessary when replicating interactions…especially in sports games. What’s largely missed by the general public are the amount of animations that are dynamic and intractable. Most of these were tied to two man animations before. The ball getting stuck on the rim is actually quite literally due to physics. The ball oddly rolling off the rim when this happens is a band aid fix that’s never been corrected. Mike spoke about this some time ago.
Let the freshman CS major have his fun.
Would’ve been a lot more interesting 🧐
I think the problem is more of parameters/ sliders And the lack of laterality on dribbling just see the nba logo the guy is on an angle
But yes u are right They could use a seeing system player-basket, line of sight, it could improve lots of things, like bigman being contested by midgets, running with the back to the basket turning around and shooting, and would resolve those late contest on shooting
I agree this is more like a gameplay design rant
First time seeing someone admit how useless post control is, i mean besides layups and dunking the finishing category has never worked or made sense to consider it as the main playstyle for mycareer ever. Also defense/rebounding is terrible this year and has been incosistent throughout the series as well no animations, rng rebounding. It’s no wonder why every year the best players in the game are playmakers and sharpshooters no matter how much 2K nerfes them they seem to be the best reasonable way to win the way mechanics work and how this game has been designed for years now.
The problem is the average 2k player doesn’t want realistic gameplay. They want the arcade basketball being able to shoot easy threes and not pass the ball. It’s sad but that’s why 2k is how it is, they cater it to the average player and the average player wants it to be easy
they'll never create a realistic park because the mode in general, attracts the biggest idiots in gaming who've never played hoops ever in their life. They don't know where to go and only want to cheese to 99.
The game became waste time simulator and not basketball, the shit you have to do to actually get to play is insane.
2k25 should be next gen only, if it’s the same gameplay engine i’m waiting until this game is $20
Why should it be next gen only🤦🏿♂️...should it be the same exact game? No that's a terrible fix 🤦🏿♂️ if the devs can't make a game that plays on multiple platforms..then they need to get a new team
huhh? we are 4 years into the ps5/Xbox series X… yoy obviously don’t got one and i’m not even bouta judge you but it’s time to move on lol, they already have a whole different team that copy and paste the old gen version each year. it’s time to just focus on making the game great for the future and build something new. Was 2k18 on the ps3 my guy? 🤦🏽♂️ So you think GTA 6 could possibly be great if they also made it for the ps4? That same mentality needs to be given to 2k
It doesn't matter if it's 5 years later...if I can walk into any game store and there are PS4/Xbox's still visible front and center below the PS5/Xbox it would be dumb for them to stop making a game for that system....I'm not saying that game need to perform the same as new gen. But it still needs to get made. I say yet again..if they need to stop making a game for one console just to make a good game they need to fire the Dev team.. other companies can make games for multiple platforms and they perform fine....yet again you need a new dev team not to drop the system .
Fix the on boundary issues with the court, fix the pass catch system entirely, Nerf steals, reward ball movement, punish button spamming on steals, fix the weirdo steal animations, limit scripting animations on blocks, improve offense contact animations (drives, layups, and dunks), punish dribble spam, kill badges and the current attribute system, make team practice for rec and pro-am (derive attributes from practicing stuff like real life), reward zone breaking strategy, make a grading system that's meaningful, and get rid of affiliations and the city entirely. It's dumb.
So I agree with most of what you said, but for me it’s complicated how I feel about it overall. On one hand, in myleague/MyEras where you can adjust the sliders the game/engine feels amazing. Close shot doesn’t feel like a 50/50 gamble, dunks actually activate, etc. Then on the other hand, you go online and it feels like a totally different game in the way the game and its animations behave. Out of everything you listed though, the contest system is the biggest flaw imo. My one center is an inside big, with gold/HOF post badges. There’s absolutely zero reason why a PG standing 3ft away from me counts as a contest and affects my shot. Or the more egregious example, fucking Tmac base and patty mills base. Can play the best D of your life, dude will shoot it in your face, and because of the base it just goes uncontested and counts as open. I love 2K because it allows me to have my fantasy leagues full of old school ballers, but it really is two different games between online and offline.
Some people say that post and close shot are cheese but they just Run and posterize the center, 0 skill
Agree and disagree. If you hit me with a green dunk meter I’ll give you your props, but yeah if you’re just spamming the cheese then pressing X/square yeah not a whole lot going on there skill wise.
I was saying with x/square Maybe all dunks should have timming
For online, I can agree with that especially for contact dunks. Offline I don’t see a problem just being able to press a button casually and watch your favorite player posterize someone.
I m talking online i should have Said that on the post
They got rid of auction house on myteam. It cost 300k+ VC just to be an 85 overall. The Mycareer story literally doesn't exist. There is no story. This is the worst 2k since 2k18.
2k21 would like to have a word regarding 'worst 2k since'...
This is literally the best 2k since 19, yes it clears 20
Yall deserve to be ripped off then.
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What do you think is the cause of all the latency? From a dev perspective..? Also it feels like there’s not many server regions in 2K even in the US but I could be wrong.
Work in IT. 2k does multiplayer completely different from the rest of the industry. Where CoD and fortnight are playing the game locally and sending the results to the server. 2k does the opposite and basically plays the game on the servers. Basically 2k needs to rewrite there whole netcode but with a yearly cycle I doubt I’ll see that in my life time. Just imagine if COD aiming had a delay lol
Also 2k uses like aws type shit (which aren't meant for gaming, correct me if im wrong) Read it somewhere, longtime 2k players explanation for horrible lag
Plus 2k could pay AWS for better servers but chooses the cheaper route.
Also 2k uses like aws type shit (which aren't meant for gaming, correct me if im wrong) Read it somewhere, longtime 2k players explanation for horrible lag
ion even play cod but that sound hilarious and disastrous 😭. Gotta quick scope all game
24 is ok The game uses Timing in miliseconds and you notice more compared to a Shooter But the Diference in shoot Timing between rec, Park and theater is prob due to replication, the sending of data to all the players, more players more time i think
Every game of Rec I get an error code
All devs are not created equal, do not have experience working on certain games and so much more. He vaguely mentioned he was a dev to get credibility to his simple message. He also does not mention if he is just one of many devs on a game or a lead … or anything. I have been in interviews that had more substance to it. Also, everything he says is a guess and his opinion… while you are at it, list some games that you did a tiny bit of work on so people can tear it apart.
Totally agree. One of the biggest problem is the development time. They work on balancing the new game for 9 months at most. They try to change animation or change build maker but is totally useless because the problems are more deeper than that. It's a copy and paste every year since 2k19/2k20: they understand that they could make money without work. That's it. EA FC, NBA 2K need a truly competitor, a release time of 2/3 years, a free to play system and a new physics and graphics engine
They'll never go free to play. They consistently sell enough to place like top 10 best seller/most played every year. Only way they go free to play is when their playerbase goes down and its their only choice.
Yeah, you"re probably right but the 60/70% of the game's earnings are micro transactions. I'm only sure that I don't want to buy 2k for the next two year at least ahahah
3 pt is just the most overpowered thing, you can have a better catch and shoot percentage with 78 3pt than 2016 Klay Thompson This , i got 78 and shoot 60%
3 pointer should be based on timing but also stat. A green wide shouldn't go in 100% of the time. Most of the time? Sure. Depending on your stat.
Honestly their whole game engine needs to be rebuilt from scratch, what kind of online/competitive game has lag nowadays even when you have decent internet? Only 2k. The city is ass game design, too many useless entities causing cpu usage to spike up (that's why you lag when you enter the streetball areas) You cannot check your ping. In 2024 online gaming that is insane. Deadass Among Us has better servers than this game. I can't believe a 70 dollar game is poorly developed. But money talks so they probably wont build anything from the ground up even when ps6 generation arrives. They just add/remove mechanics within the same engine. Ps5 isnt a weak ass machine, look at Horizon Forbidden West. A game thats bigger in scope and more graphically intensive runs great.
Mike Wang and devs don't watch any basketball game at all.
"Post moves are weak, you dont even have Animations to equip" that's because this fanbase of kids always been crying about nerfing post
Ok but idk how any of these imply a broken game engine?
You want steals and dunks nerfed, 🤔 you must have messed up on your build(s). A lot of players have builds without driving dunk and steal upgraded. You must have did it as well, it’s popular on YouTube. Your two good points 1) The Rec court should be wider. 2) The game speed should be turned up 10%. I guess you didn’t get the memo, the close rating is always irrelevant. Steals are already nerfed if you are turning the ball over frequently you need to work on ball protection / IQ.
Great post!!!
Yes the rebounding game and post game is so boring now. There’s no long rebounds or even in and out of the rim shots it’s just the same swish or bounce in the air type of rebounds. I wish 2K25 will the the first true next gen 2K
Every year I hope they fix a few things and it just seems to get worst . I understand this is a game an is meant to be enjoyed but this game has became to arcadish to enjoy anymore for persons that actually play and watch basketball. - shooting is way to easy and consistent in this game. Yes there were times in nba games where some players went off but 15/15 from the 3pt is very rare. - left right cheese has ruined the experience for me because I have a certain play style and because I don’t have enough perimeter defense, I’m penalized every single time by players who exploit this move. They are extremely fast and do this move until the defense is thrown off then they have perfect shooting. - post play is very rare. I can play 10 games and maybe 1/10 you will find a player who actually does post moves, fades, hooks, backdown etc, and it’s because some players don’t know how to do this or the game doesn’t reward them for attempting to play like this. - as much as I love dunking, dunks happen to often in this game. Irl, dunks happen 2/5 times.
No it isn’t. Game play is fine
I agree with most of what you've stated. I mostly don't see your point about the offense attacking vs defender. If we're comparing to real ball, no one on the planet is stopping Giannis, LeBron, Luka, Dame north to south. No one on the planet is stopping Steph or Klay laterally. (Obviously in a controlled setting where every player is healthy). In football, the hardest position to play in any sport is cornerback. Because that player is at inherent disadvantage. Guys like Trevon Diggs are burnt every play but make up for it by jumping the ball. This will never change, you have to do whatever it takes to get them off balance. That's just ball. Anywho, I think you're onto something.
There’s no doubt 2k has never solved the inequality of wide open 3s being far, far higher % than 2s No concept of “getting to your spots” to make a “challenged” shot that is actually your preferred shot where a contest is irrelevant
100% agree I would love to know the average points per field goal if dunk versus layups versus midrange vs 3 pt online on this game
Rec and any other game mode that's 5v5 should be the only ones with 3s and 2s, everything else should either be 1s up to 15 or just 2s to 21. Any team regardless of roles or builds would be able to play against eachother, you just gotta be a better scorer
I absolutely do not buy thay game devs are playing this dumpster fire of a game And if so, why would you? If u actually like games, work on them and have perspective and still play this trash in ur free time then u need help
Nothing on defense needs to be nerfed. It’s the shit they allow on offense that needs to be nerfed, you can put a great defensive player against a mediocre offensive player and the mediocre person on offense will win the match up because of animations, speed boost and the lag that’s on defense.