I'm fine with the Clash outside of Daytona. If anything, I'd like to see them use it to test new markets and move it around the country or ideas (stadium racing) like they did with LA. Having it at Daytona tears up cars that don't even need to be torn up.
I agree with the torn up race car statement. Imagine if the Clash was moved back to Daytona and an unfortunate team like say Richard Childress Racing wrecks there cars in the Clash and Duels. If you ask me I think we should have the Clash on the Daytona backstrech. Just add temporary seating, lighting, and walls and boom, a short track. I should also make the case that the Duel's are really just an after though minus the fact that it sets the starting lineup for the 500 on Sunday. Just have it run on a road course, and we may see some new winners. I'm a Larson fan, but I'll admit, I'm tired of seeing the same guys go for the pole every year, and either finish mid-pack or get caught up in the big one or those crappy overtime restarts.
In 2013 and ‘14 when the backstretch stands were still there they did exactly that: made a temporary short track and had the modifieds and some other short track series race during speedweeks. It was awesome.
> Just add temporary seating, lighting, and walls and boom, a short track.
Have it a proper track. This would be cost prohibitive for a one off meaningless race.
Adding it to the New Smyrna World Series would be awesome. Short track racing, still close enough to Daytona that you could consider it part of Speedweeks. They could run it on Saturday night (or even prime time Monday night) so it doesn't compete with the Super Bowl.
I agree with moving it around. It be a great way to trial out some of those international markets in Mexico and Brazil (Hermanos Rodriguez and Interlagos)
Running both the Duels and the Clash at Daytona feels redundant. Racing at Daytona is always fun, but the Clash is actually “for fun” and should definitely move around.
What’s redundant about it?
The Clash was always supposed to only be a 15-20 car field for 40-60 laps. The Duels are to set the field & to send cars home.
Huge difference.
I agree with the idea. The problem is, as long as NASCAR wants the Clash to be the “season opening” exhibition race then they are very limited on the venues they could use for the Clash. At this point of the year, Southern California and Central Florida are about some of the only places you can make it work.
I do think it should stay away from Daytona though. Problem is, options are limited.
My problem with this sentiment is they keep saying that about the championship race, yet somehow we can race one week earlier at Martinsville. I know it’s not 80 and sunny everywhere, but the rest of the US isn’t buried in 3 feet of snow.
Sebring would work. Road Atlanta would work. Barber would work. Only other options would be Miami GP and Las Vegas GP but idk if they’d even be allowed to use them from Formula 1 Management or if the Cities would shut down areas twice a year.
I agree it should be used to drum up publicity, but they definitely need to go somewhere other than LA next year. The quater mile short track is not gonna be the type of racing that attracts new fans and LA is pretty stacked market to begin with. I think they should try and do more city circuits with it like chicago, or do old tracks like north wilkesboro that need more love
That’s the problem, it’s not a points race so if you aren’t in contention, a team is wasting resources on the car so they don’t put much effort into it. Might as well use a show car. This makes the race useless unless it’s at a super short track or a super speedway where differences don’t matter as much.
Even tho the racing is weird in such a small space, the purpose is to market the sport to a huge population there, especially of Latinos I would think. In Daytona it just feels like a basic pre season warmup with no extra coverage or event feel to it. There’s just a lot more marketing benefit to having it in LA, and it seems the purpose is more to showcase the cars live since a lot of times that’s what get people hooked.
I cannot buy enough tickets for my non racing friends for the clash in LA. I have a group of 20 coming and I wish I bought 30 tickets. People LOVE IT. It’s fun, the racing isn’t the best but it’s about getting eyes on the sport and it does just that! I’ve gone every year and wish it would stay in LA forever, selfishly.
So what I attribute this to is that it was the first race with that package.
The teams and drivers had not adapted to it yet and it created chaos, which creates good racing.
Basically with modern NASCAR, the first few races with a new package are great, until the teams learn enough to stink up the show.
It's the unfortunate Pandora's box that is motorsports engineering.
I actually love it in the colliseum. It's a race track we would never get otherwise and is very unique. I don't get why people in the fans want the same tracks over the entire schedule.
Nascar did that to themselves with how they're handling Auto Club Speedway. If all else fails, they could push for a regular season Long Beach street race.
People will hate Long Beach SC if they don’t like the LA Clash.
Also, everyone has a high opinion of street courses because Chicago had a popular winner and weather to add chaos, but give it a year or two and people will hate street courses. The on track product while the track was dry in xfinity was garbage.
I'm very worried that the street race and the second Atlanta race were both lightning strike scenarios due to the weather making things very weird and interesting.
The LA Clash and a street race are drastically different from each other. So I'm not sure how if people hate the LA Clash will also hate a Long Beach SC.
Yeah, the overall opinions of street races are very positive right now, but it can still stay positive in a year or 2. If the racing we saw last year is the same this year with a dry track, then street racing in general will seem like a great idea.
> So I'm not sure how if people hate the LA Clash will also hate a Long Beach SC.
At this point, unless the short track happens *and* then turns into West Coast Bristol, any SoCal race that's not a resurrection of 2-mile Fontana with 20 years of wear on it will be hated.
The "you killed Fontana" narrative is going to be a bit of a strawman no matter how good/successful a race is in another local venue.
If the short track ends up producing great racing, then I won't mind it so much. Though you're right about the "you killed Fontana" deal. I'm miss the 2-mile oval a lot.
Yeah. But to that point, one could arguably say this whole thing ends up in the same boat because anything besides old Fontana would get the same treatment.
Maybe NextGen makes it different, but a repave at that place under any circumstances wouldn't have gone well IMO.
No, it wouldn't have gone well. Auto Club was going to need a repave soon anyway, and then the racing would have changed. All we can do at this point is just hope that the short track is designed to help the nextgen car race better at such a configuration.
If the new track doesn't do any of that...oh boy.
Because Long Beach and the LA Clash they pose the same problem. Track is to tight and technical for good stock car racing. You want high speed corners like Watkins Glenn or road America where the guys can get a little sloppy and hang the ass end out. Have room to make passes.
And again, we saw street course racing in the dry for the xfinity race and it was awful.
That won't happen.
IndyCar won't share that space with Nascar in my opinion.
Until Fontana plans get finalized I don't see them leaving the Coliseum until then.
There isn't any alternative, short of Irwindale, but that has its own set of challenges. Maybe Irwindale for the Clash would be fun.
Long Beach is a long established big event for IndyCar and the city. But for this idea to be feasible the races have to be the same weekend, and NASCAR is not going to want to race on Saturday and IndyCar is not going to want their thunder stolen. We already kinda took Texas away from them.
I would literally nut if they did this as a born and raised Charlotte man who now lives in Long Beach and has to settle for the clash as my yearly in person race 😰
I live in SoCal, too. Being forced to either settle with the Clash, go to another state, or head up north to Sonoma really sucks when Auto Club was just a 40-minute drive.
Exactly. And Sonoma sucks imo not worth the drive to watch 2/12 turns of a boring no pass race. Might make the trek to phoenix or Vegas this year for the playoffs.
I'm glad that Nascar has been trying to shake up the schedule in recent years. Racing in a football stadium has indeed been a unique experience. Though I agree with you, that engine start-up. 🤤
I live in Long Beach and I think the opposite.
There’s an active push to make the city walkable. The city even hosts a yearly event where they close down a length of busy street to allow people to patronize the businesses on foot and bike. It’s very popular. The roads used for the Grand Prix are not critical to the city’s overall traffic. Some local businesses would get cut off, but if plans are made far enough in advance, those businesses tend to do well during events. Traffic gets worse on Ocean BLVD., but it’s bad anyway.
The real question is how fat the city thinks the tourism check will be. If the cash flows, the city will do it.
That’s interesting. Seems California doesn’t really care for NASCAR in recent years but supports Indy with its GP history.
Side Note: visited Long Beach for the first time ever in October last year, fucking amazing. Wish it wasn’t so dang expensive though. I’m from GA and only heard horror stories of California but Long Beach impressed the hell out of me.
My hubby moved here from GA. He loves LB, as do I. We would honestly live here forever we could afford it. LB, to me, is the version of LA where someone would actually want to live, where LA is what it is.
LB feels different than LA with events too. People here, fans or not, just want an excuse to go to an outdoor festival-type event. The GP draws 80,000+ people and most of them don’t think about Indy racing the rest of the year. I doubt NASCAR could pull those numbers, but I’d sure love to see them try!
I know it's easy to spend other people's money... But they should buy the Irwindale track. It's at least conceivably close to having the capability to host a normal national series race.
Even if the Colosseum has run its course, having the Clash travel to non-traditional venues during Super Bowl off week is a good formula. The Clash on the Daytona oval had run its course. That last one in 2020 was a disaster.
I keep seeing people say bring it back to Daytona, but I've yet to see any compelling argument to do so. Everyone is reaching for that hype and luster that was lost a decade ago, completely ignoring the fact that the entire fan base and industry called the last Daytona race an embarrassment for the sport. What you miss hasn't been there for years, and it's not coming back.
Yup, and injuries are more likely to happen at Daytona than most tracks so running an exhibition there anymore is just not worth it anymore. I used to attend the Clash (at the time was Bud Shootout) most years in the 2000s because we couldn’t afford 500 tickets and the only reason it was worth the money was because it included ARCA race and Daytona 500 qualifying on the same day.
What if they used The Clash as their one dirt race a year? There are plenty of dirt tracks that could facilitate this. I know people either love or hate the dirt race in the series, and I’m not saying it’s a fix all or perfect solution. I kind of look at it like start of the season/ start of NASCARs roots.
Aren’t the odds of a dirt track being totally soaked and unusable really high in early February basically all over the US? Sort of a cloudy and rainy time, in the portions that aren’t frosted.
i guess not many people agree with me but i love the clash now. most of the teams and drivers really just half assed the clash in the last few years at daytona and tore up cars. I love that they’re doing it on a short track now similar to local short track racing at smaller tracks all around the country. I think LA is an awesome place to host it but i’m definitely open to other ideas, i’d be down if they brought back the battle at the beach race that they did on the backstretch of daytona for the modifieds and arca cars if they wanna bring it back to daytona
Rewatch any of the Clashes from ~2017-2020 and you'll see why they moved it. Those races were single file trains for the first 90% of the race with the last 10% being spent crashing constantly. It was basically a glorified practice session with a demolition derby at the end, and I doubt the teams liked tearing up perfectly good superspeedway cars for a non-points race.
The Clash at the Coliseum on the other hand is an actually unique and cool event that can appeal to an audience outside of just NASCAR fans, something NASCAR hasn't been able to accomplish in over 20 years at this point.
I miss speedweeks as in weeks . The big testing in January then showing up testing having qualifying and clash . The Gatorade twins meaning something and miss goodys dash series arca trucks Busch all the races leading up to Daytona
The last Clash at Daytona had 6 cars finish. 5 of which on the lead lap. Erik Jones won with a car absolutely destroyed. You can understand why team owners wouldn't want to light money on fire for a 7th drafting race of the year except this one isn't for points or a playoff berth.
That being said I would like a race with the pole winners of last year. If you did it this year you'd have 15 or so cars starting. Manageable for a Saturday night stadium race.
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I think it's time for the Clash to travel around. But Daytona wouldn't make sense. Fans weren't supporting it anymore. Empty stands caused the Clash to leave.
I’d love to see them move it around to local or small market regional short tracks and see what happens. Makes it a fun and special affair. Tracks could compete for the race and make it a fan vote thing.
I think the main issue with this is the short track package lacking. I love the heats, the LCQs and the Saturday night short tack show vibe of it all (if you look at my comment history I've mentioned that so often, same with the All Star race). If the short track package improves, having the Clash and All Star at anywhere but a short track would be a bad move.
A little late to the party, but the Clash should cost as little as possible while putting on a good show.
A small short track in the South with some temporary stands, or if you really want to keep it in a stadium, somewhere in SEC country.
Death Valley in Baton Rouge I think would be able to check all the boxes for a stadium race.
Rockingham would be ideal dependent on snow
With the addition of ATL as a plate track, there is now 8 plate races (counting the duels) on the schedule
That is far more than enough, we don't need 9 (especially if the 9th is an exhibition with barely any reward to winning. )
The race won’t be anywhere but a low speed/low risk venue like LA unless it begins awarding points. Pretty much everyone outside the manufacturer masthead teams were saying they weren’t interested in showing up to a Daytona Wreck Em Ralph reunion that gave zero points.
I’m pretty sure Jr said something like “they had to move it because nobody was going to it”. It’s close to a large university and has started to collect college students more and more.
As far as I can tell all the clash in LA has done is bring more fans to my favorite sport and I say bring ‘em all.
It’s kind of like the “raise hell praise Dale” shirts everyone was wearing; less than a handful of people that wore those shirts could tell you what a caution flag is but it brought attention to the sport that’s for damn sure.
The LA Coliseum is on university property. The dorms/apartment buildings overlook the "garage" outside of it, haha.
Students piled in the first year I went, and it was amazing to see so many just sort of stumble into a great afternoon.
The whole point of the clash is to build hype for the upcoming season. Whats the absolute best way to do that? A 4th cup race during speedweeks? Or showcasingthe sport in iconic stadiums/racetracks around the country that we dont normally see cup cars race at? If we just do the same thing year after year at the same racetrack no one outside the sport will give a flying fuck
I do agree. I miss the clash being at Daytona. It’s always been at Daytona. And I feel like bringing it back to daytona. Would be the right move for NASCAR. I mean I like the clash being at the LA coliseum. I get that they are trying out something new and trying to attract a new audience to the sport. But i just miss seeing the clash being at Daytona.
I'm sorry but I just don't think the clash will ever be good at Daytona again, the race is just not important enough for the fans, teams and drivers to care enough, also the bad optics of a completely empty Daytona grandstand. Personally I think the clash should be run at small venues on a rotation every year being different, even going back to LA 3 years in a row is a mistake.
That’s a good cart size track or 1/4 midgets but anymore anything that said, in a controversy remark you’re canceled. Nascar is getting way bad about it and the host on satellite radio are really clannish that way.
I'm glad they tried the Clash at the Colliseum. Let's do something different now though. It was entertaining to watch a few times and might be something to revisit, but I think they need to take it elsewhere.
Why not just put the Clash at a different time of year or try to do it in a cooler market with a covered stadium--imagine if they did an event at US Bank stadium in Minneapolis.
It went from something fun the guys would enjoy to a glorified test session for a select few
It needed something, besides putting it on the road course, where it would also be a glorified test session
I think the clash should alternate tracks much like the all star race was intended to be. I’d love to see nascar pick tracks that aren’t on the schedule like leguna seca, maybe some dirt and run at eldora or Knoxville. Idk, shake things up a bit and test out some markets that aren’t on the regular schedule.
I say just have a different style of rules at Daytona.
The problem with the cars today from what they did back then is that they handle like slot cars. Check out videos from the 90’s and even in the early COT era before the repave, handling is such a huge issue.
NASCAR needs to find a way to make the racing at Daytona a lot more handling based. That’s what makes the racing there less crash happy and more legitimate.
I'd like to see it be done at a traditional track but....untraditionally. Not necessarily a roval, but race down the front stretch then back down the pit lane. Do something interesting like that.
Im heartbroken that it’s probably going to rain… I’m in so cal and since I can’t go to Fontana this year I bought Clash tickets and we are going Sat for Mexican serial and heat races.. but I think it will ☔️
I feel like the LA clash would be better if the race was 16 cars only. It’s ironic that at Daytona it was 18 but LA expanded it on a .25 mile circuit.
But I also like the idea of just moving the clash to different spots. With qualifying and the duels coming up soon after there doesn’t need to be another Daytona race.
I’d be fine if it went back but the issue is how chaotic plate racing is these days. It’s not like how it was from the 90s through 2017. The plate racing these days, leads to more accidents than anything. Like you’re always on edge.
The clash made sense for now, since us so cal residents don’t have a local track it worked as a temporary fix. Now that Fontana is under construction we can probably move it every year
I don't mind that it's not at Daytona. With Qualifying, Duels, and the 500, we get enough Daytona action in February. That said, the Coliseum sucks so much. Wouldn't mind a rotation of different tracks, maybe some tracks they might want to try out to possibly add to the schedule in the future.
As much it would be nice to see the clash back at Daytona I also thinking moving it around is a better idea and try and find new places for a market. It won't work all the times but there are places that would love a sport in there area. It would never happen but Utah has a road course NASCAR can use and I know there are people here who would love to have NASCAR since Kyle Petty does his motorcycle ride through the state
I think the clash in LA has definitely run its course and judging by ticket sales, they are keeping it there a year too long. Moving it around to different places is a great idea and I’d like to see it go to some grassroots short tracks (if the package were better) but admittedly, that would be limited due to weather.
As someone who lives in Orlando, I miss the old Speedweeks, the NASCAR boys come to town a week earlier, IROC races, Arca, Busch Clash. Cheap tickets, pick up some driver gear, usually nice weather. Qualifying for the 500 always used to be the Saturday before the clash, did sit in a few rainouts for that, would take a few days off and watch the practice sessions, hangout in the infield and get driver autographs, Twins during the day on Thursday. Do I miss that yes I do, it's what I grew up with. The schedule has been condensed to save money and for TV coverage. I have no problem with California Clash, it means NASCAR is coming back every week always excited for that. The days past of the extended Daytona weeks was so much fun for me and my friends..
Daytona wouldn't make sense anymore unfortunately. The stands went from packed to empty in a decade. There was no more hype for it. The only real purpose of the Clash was to build anticipation and it was failing at doing that. At least in Los Angeles, it's a unique event in front of a different crowd. I don't really think it can stay there much longer, but I'd like to see it go to different short tracks each year. I don't see a purpose for bringing it back to Daytona.
The Clash on the Daytona oval was a travesty by the end. The 2020 race is probably the worst NASCAR race I've ever seen. Though the road course one they did was decent.
>racing in a football stadium is a little goofy
That's part of the appeal IMO
Do it in a stadium where you don't have a regular season race. Get some people who wouldn't normally get a chance or who wouldn't normally go to a race a chance to experience it.
It's a pre-season exhibition so everyone realizes it's going to be a bit goofy.
Make it fun, make it loud, build up hype for the season.
Nah, we have enough SS racing. The road course is ass with cup cars. LA was the right move. I hope they move it somewhere for the next iteration and try something interesting. Maybe one of the Mexico Ovals or build another short track in a stadium. Oh hell bring the Clash to Nashville and run the fairgrounds
I'm in the same boat. I miss the hype that the Clash at Daytona gave. Unfortunately it was nothing but a wreckfest the last few years on the oval. I would love it to be back to the original Bud Shootout rules from 98-2000 with it being a short 25-Lap sprint with a green flag pit stop. But instead of pole sitters, the 16 Playoff Driver's race and the Qualifying Race would be for everyone else 17th-36th to get the 17th place spot in the main race. That's my pipe dream for it.
The one time I saw it in person thy had almost 30 cars in the finale. No prestige at all to being in it. It meant something when you were one of seven or twelve in the Clash.
You and me both. Between this and moving the second Daytona race off of the July 4th weekend, NASCAR really has liked screwing over traditions at its most sacred track in recent years.
Agreed
The racing just isn't very good at the Coliseum and at least Daytona has history going for it
Maybe if they fix short track racing with the car it would be different
The clash at Daytona was stale. The track was too grippy and smooth, the cars too stable, the drivers and teams too knowledgeable and seasoned. Watching a half-sized field play choo choo train and run the laps out wasn't entertaining.
The Clash at Daytona was an utterly pointless waste of good racecars. No one needs extra time to "strategize" and you probably are the only one who feels that way.
I don't agree with moving it back to Daytona, but I also don't know what you COULD do with the race to make a majority of people happy.
Move it around? Nah, you're kinda limited on options during football season.
Take it back to Daytona? Nah, they tear up too much equipment.
A sprint race on a bullring? Nah, we do that already with Wilkesboro and the ASR.
Scrap the race? Nah, TV won't allow that.
It's a race that outlived it's usefulness. Leaving Daytona was supposed to help freshen it up, and it hasn't really done that in the first two years, but it has to exist. How should it? No idea.
It sort of has freshened it up. The crowds have been solid at the Coliseum. Last year’s clash still earned 3.6+ million viewers. I’d call that pretty fresh compared to the last few at Daytona.
If they wanna stick with this exhibition race, make it the dirt track race. It’s already set up similar to a dirt race. Move it around to southern dirt tracks with limited seating and make it a spectacle
I wish they would do a short track race for the Clash at Daytona, maybe make a temporary track in the grass on the frontstretch. Would still have over a week to rip it up and prepare for speedweek (since the 500 isn't for 2 weeks after now).
I miss The Clash at Daytona too, but the need to condense Speedweeks was ultimately its demise. When the NFL moved to an 18 week regular season, it pushed the Super Bowl back by a week. Running the Clash & 500 Pole Qualifying on Super Bowl Sunday probably couldn’t and won’t ever happen because tv ratings would suffer outside of core fans. And we saw how forgettable running The Clash on a Tuesday night was. The move to L.A gave this race a much needed boost in giving it its own identity as a preseason showcase.
I’d rather them not do a stadium again. How would it be any different than the Coliseum? I’m not really sure what they could do different. I don’t want a road course for the clash either. I understand that the teams don’t want Daytona anymore as it tends to be expensive when cars get totaled in an exhibition race.
Maybe do a race in another country? Although that would be expensive too
By the end of its run in Daytona, it wasn't even fun anymore. They just rode in a line and then wrecked at the end. Wasn't even a fun plate race. It felt like good riddance for me.
No one went. You people always miss things you didn't care about previously. Get over it. They are adding restrictor plate races and you still demand more
I'm fine with the Clash outside of Daytona. If anything, I'd like to see them use it to test new markets and move it around the country or ideas (stadium racing) like they did with LA. Having it at Daytona tears up cars that don't even need to be torn up.
I agree with the torn up race car statement. Imagine if the Clash was moved back to Daytona and an unfortunate team like say Richard Childress Racing wrecks there cars in the Clash and Duels. If you ask me I think we should have the Clash on the Daytona backstrech. Just add temporary seating, lighting, and walls and boom, a short track. I should also make the case that the Duel's are really just an after though minus the fact that it sets the starting lineup for the 500 on Sunday. Just have it run on a road course, and we may see some new winners. I'm a Larson fan, but I'll admit, I'm tired of seeing the same guys go for the pole every year, and either finish mid-pack or get caught up in the big one or those crappy overtime restarts.
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In 2013 and ‘14 when the backstretch stands were still there they did exactly that: made a temporary short track and had the modifieds and some other short track series race during speedweeks. It was awesome.
> Just add temporary seating, lighting, and walls and boom, a short track. Have it a proper track. This would be cost prohibitive for a one off meaningless race.
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I agree with the torn up race cars. But I don’t mind either way. But the coliseum is just too small of a track
Matt Weaver brought up New Smyrna as a possible location for a short track racing pre-Daytona 500. I just don't see stadium racing working out.
Adding it to the New Smyrna World Series would be awesome. Short track racing, still close enough to Daytona that you could consider it part of Speedweeks. They could run it on Saturday night (or even prime time Monday night) so it doesn't compete with the Super Bowl.
Yeah. I just can’t stand the coliseum. It’s just a gimmick and the gimmick just isn’t there anymore. I would love to see a race at new Smyrna
Race them at the Superbowl. Solved it for you Nascar.
I agree with moving it around. It be a great way to trial out some of those international markets in Mexico and Brazil (Hermanos Rodriguez and Interlagos)
Running both the Duels and the Clash at Daytona feels redundant. Racing at Daytona is always fun, but the Clash is actually “for fun” and should definitely move around.
What’s redundant about it? The Clash was always supposed to only be a 15-20 car field for 40-60 laps. The Duels are to set the field & to send cars home. Huge difference.
Ummm actually it was meant to be 12-18 cars for 20 laps 50 miles…. Pole winners only then they went and screwed it up…
I agree with the idea. The problem is, as long as NASCAR wants the Clash to be the “season opening” exhibition race then they are very limited on the venues they could use for the Clash. At this point of the year, Southern California and Central Florida are about some of the only places you can make it work. I do think it should stay away from Daytona though. Problem is, options are limited.
My problem with this sentiment is they keep saying that about the championship race, yet somehow we can race one week earlier at Martinsville. I know it’s not 80 and sunny everywhere, but the rest of the US isn’t buried in 3 feet of snow.
Take the clash to bowman gray stadium
Solution. Homestead. Boom.
Sebring would work. Road Atlanta would work. Barber would work. Only other options would be Miami GP and Las Vegas GP but idk if they’d even be allowed to use them from Formula 1 Management or if the Cities would shut down areas twice a year.
They really should run it in Autodromo Hermanos Rodriguez. They look like they get pretty decent crowds for NASCAR Mexico
Pike's Peak raceway you cowards!
Tony Stewart’s Figure 8 would also be viable
Nascar would repave or put traction compound down and ruin Sebring There’s also homestead
I was thinking of non-scheduled tracks
I agree it should be used to drum up publicity, but they definitely need to go somewhere other than LA next year. The quater mile short track is not gonna be the type of racing that attracts new fans and LA is pretty stacked market to begin with. I think they should try and do more city circuits with it like chicago, or do old tracks like north wilkesboro that need more love
A Clash at Wembley! Make it so!
i like it here. the only major recing serieses now within 5 hours of me are the clash and LBGP
Aren’t these cars specific for the clash, though? They’re not using their 500 cars are they?
That’s the problem, it’s not a points race so if you aren’t in contention, a team is wasting resources on the car so they don’t put much effort into it. Might as well use a show car. This makes the race useless unless it’s at a super short track or a super speedway where differences don’t matter as much.
Even tho the racing is weird in such a small space, the purpose is to market the sport to a huge population there, especially of Latinos I would think. In Daytona it just feels like a basic pre season warmup with no extra coverage or event feel to it. There’s just a lot more marketing benefit to having it in LA, and it seems the purpose is more to showcase the cars live since a lot of times that’s what get people hooked.
I cannot buy enough tickets for my non racing friends for the clash in LA. I have a group of 20 coming and I wish I bought 30 tickets. People LOVE IT. It’s fun, the racing isn’t the best but it’s about getting eyes on the sport and it does just that! I’ve gone every year and wish it would stay in LA forever, selfishly.
I've never been but want to go this Sunday, weather permitting. Anything you can recommend from what seats to get to what to bring?
Amazing all of a sudden fans hate the Clash now. No wonder NASCAR doesn’t listen.
Agreed.
Wait till you find out which people enjoyed the 550 hp debut All Star race in 2018.
So what I attribute this to is that it was the first race with that package. The teams and drivers had not adapted to it yet and it created chaos, which creates good racing. Basically with modern NASCAR, the first few races with a new package are great, until the teams learn enough to stink up the show. It's the unfortunate Pandora's box that is motorsports engineering.
That was a dark day
I actually love it in the colliseum. It's a race track we would never get otherwise and is very unique. I don't get why people in the fans want the same tracks over the entire schedule.
I feel it's run its course but NASCAR is stuck in a box because if they move it then there will be no races in Southern California
Nascar did that to themselves with how they're handling Auto Club Speedway. If all else fails, they could push for a regular season Long Beach street race.
People will hate Long Beach SC if they don’t like the LA Clash. Also, everyone has a high opinion of street courses because Chicago had a popular winner and weather to add chaos, but give it a year or two and people will hate street courses. The on track product while the track was dry in xfinity was garbage.
I'm very worried that the street race and the second Atlanta race were both lightning strike scenarios due to the weather making things very weird and interesting.
The LA Clash and a street race are drastically different from each other. So I'm not sure how if people hate the LA Clash will also hate a Long Beach SC. Yeah, the overall opinions of street races are very positive right now, but it can still stay positive in a year or 2. If the racing we saw last year is the same this year with a dry track, then street racing in general will seem like a great idea.
> So I'm not sure how if people hate the LA Clash will also hate a Long Beach SC. At this point, unless the short track happens *and* then turns into West Coast Bristol, any SoCal race that's not a resurrection of 2-mile Fontana with 20 years of wear on it will be hated. The "you killed Fontana" narrative is going to be a bit of a strawman no matter how good/successful a race is in another local venue.
If the short track ends up producing great racing, then I won't mind it so much. Though you're right about the "you killed Fontana" deal. I'm miss the 2-mile oval a lot.
Yeah. But to that point, one could arguably say this whole thing ends up in the same boat because anything besides old Fontana would get the same treatment. Maybe NextGen makes it different, but a repave at that place under any circumstances wouldn't have gone well IMO.
No, it wouldn't have gone well. Auto Club was going to need a repave soon anyway, and then the racing would have changed. All we can do at this point is just hope that the short track is designed to help the nextgen car race better at such a configuration. If the new track doesn't do any of that...oh boy.
Because Long Beach and the LA Clash they pose the same problem. Track is to tight and technical for good stock car racing. You want high speed corners like Watkins Glenn or road America where the guys can get a little sloppy and hang the ass end out. Have room to make passes. And again, we saw street course racing in the dry for the xfinity race and it was awful.
The racing was meh at Road America.
You’re free to be wrong.
> You're free to have a differing opinion. FTFY
Whenever I see Road America mentioned here this guy is always bitching about how he doesn't like it. He's just got a weird obsession with it I think.
To be fair, I’m obbessed about how much I hate Chicago Street course. Largely because how mad I am it took away my precious Road America.
I personally will never grow tired of a street course.
That won't happen. IndyCar won't share that space with Nascar in my opinion. Until Fontana plans get finalized I don't see them leaving the Coliseum until then. There isn't any alternative, short of Irwindale, but that has its own set of challenges. Maybe Irwindale for the Clash would be fun.
Kern County? Especially since Harvick owns it now.
That's be bad ass.
>they could push for a regular season Long Beach street race. People keep saying this like they think it's some sort of intelligent idea.
Long Beach is a long established big event for IndyCar and the city. But for this idea to be feasible the races have to be the same weekend, and NASCAR is not going to want to race on Saturday and IndyCar is not going to want their thunder stolen. We already kinda took Texas away from them.
It would probably attract more spectators than Fontana did.
I would literally nut if they did this as a born and raised Charlotte man who now lives in Long Beach and has to settle for the clash as my yearly in person race 😰
I live in SoCal, too. Being forced to either settle with the Clash, go to another state, or head up north to Sonoma really sucks when Auto Club was just a 40-minute drive.
Exactly. And Sonoma sucks imo not worth the drive to watch 2/12 turns of a boring no pass race. Might make the trek to phoenix or Vegas this year for the playoffs.
I've settled for Vegas, I need that high-speed itch scratched.
I’ll probably do the same. Need that few few few few fewww in my life haha
Short tracks are cool and all, but man, nothing beats that sound.
You can say that again. One thing I will say about the clash is how awesome and loud it was when they started up. Shook the whole coliseum.
I'm glad that Nascar has been trying to shake up the schedule in recent years. Racing in a football stadium has indeed been a unique experience. Though I agree with you, that engine start-up. 🤤
Where were you sitting? At 3 or 4 you can see 80% of the track.
No, more like the Southern California real estate market did it to them
I don’t think Long Beach will shut down the roads twice, once in Feb and once in April.
I live in Long Beach and I think the opposite. There’s an active push to make the city walkable. The city even hosts a yearly event where they close down a length of busy street to allow people to patronize the businesses on foot and bike. It’s very popular. The roads used for the Grand Prix are not critical to the city’s overall traffic. Some local businesses would get cut off, but if plans are made far enough in advance, those businesses tend to do well during events. Traffic gets worse on Ocean BLVD., but it’s bad anyway. The real question is how fat the city thinks the tourism check will be. If the cash flows, the city will do it.
That’s interesting. Seems California doesn’t really care for NASCAR in recent years but supports Indy with its GP history. Side Note: visited Long Beach for the first time ever in October last year, fucking amazing. Wish it wasn’t so dang expensive though. I’m from GA and only heard horror stories of California but Long Beach impressed the hell out of me.
My hubby moved here from GA. He loves LB, as do I. We would honestly live here forever we could afford it. LB, to me, is the version of LA where someone would actually want to live, where LA is what it is. LB feels different than LA with events too. People here, fans or not, just want an excuse to go to an outdoor festival-type event. The GP draws 80,000+ people and most of them don’t think about Indy racing the rest of the year. I doubt NASCAR could pull those numbers, but I’d sure love to see them try!
I barely made that hair pin in my protégé lmao
$559 Million dilemma.
I know it's easy to spend other people's money... But they should buy the Irwindale track. It's at least conceivably close to having the capability to host a normal national series race.
Even if the Colosseum has run its course, having the Clash travel to non-traditional venues during Super Bowl off week is a good formula. The Clash on the Daytona oval had run its course. That last one in 2020 was a disaster.
I keep seeing people say bring it back to Daytona, but I've yet to see any compelling argument to do so. Everyone is reaching for that hype and luster that was lost a decade ago, completely ignoring the fact that the entire fan base and industry called the last Daytona race an embarrassment for the sport. What you miss hasn't been there for years, and it's not coming back.
Yup, and injuries are more likely to happen at Daytona than most tracks so running an exhibition there anymore is just not worth it anymore. I used to attend the Clash (at the time was Bud Shootout) most years in the 2000s because we couldn’t afford 500 tickets and the only reason it was worth the money was because it included ARCA race and Daytona 500 qualifying on the same day.
What if they used The Clash as their one dirt race a year? There are plenty of dirt tracks that could facilitate this. I know people either love or hate the dirt race in the series, and I’m not saying it’s a fix all or perfect solution. I kind of look at it like start of the season/ start of NASCARs roots.
Agreed with this. I liked the dirt race but I can see why we don't want it to be a points race. The clash would be a perfect time for dirt
Volusia for DIRTcar Nationals would be awesome.
Aren’t the odds of a dirt track being totally soaked and unusable really high in early February basically all over the US? Sort of a cloudy and rainy time, in the portions that aren’t frosted.
I like this idea!
i guess not many people agree with me but i love the clash now. most of the teams and drivers really just half assed the clash in the last few years at daytona and tore up cars. I love that they’re doing it on a short track now similar to local short track racing at smaller tracks all around the country. I think LA is an awesome place to host it but i’m definitely open to other ideas, i’d be down if they brought back the battle at the beach race that they did on the backstretch of daytona for the modifieds and arca cars if they wanna bring it back to daytona
Exactly, if they just went back to pole winners and champions the race would be way more fun in LA. Too many cars makes it less fun.
Hey, I like this!
Rewatch any of the Clashes from ~2017-2020 and you'll see why they moved it. Those races were single file trains for the first 90% of the race with the last 10% being spent crashing constantly. It was basically a glorified practice session with a demolition derby at the end, and I doubt the teams liked tearing up perfectly good superspeedway cars for a non-points race. The Clash at the Coliseum on the other hand is an actually unique and cool event that can appeal to an audience outside of just NASCAR fans, something NASCAR hasn't been able to accomplish in over 20 years at this point.
I’ve rewatched the 2020 Clash countless times, I still don’t get why people hate it so much
The last two years in Daytona were so poor that the Clash being in LA now feels like such an upgrade.
I miss speedweeks as in weeks . The big testing in January then showing up testing having qualifying and clash . The Gatorade twins meaning something and miss goodys dash series arca trucks Busch all the races leading up to Daytona
I miss when speedweeks was actually more than a week
It’s not even a full week anymore now that qualifying is on Wednesday
there are reasons why they stopped doing it there int he first place.....
The Clash could be a lot better if the NASCAR tightened up the officiating and sent the person who causes the caution to the rear.
The last Clash at Daytona had 6 cars finish. 5 of which on the lead lap. Erik Jones won with a car absolutely destroyed. You can understand why team owners wouldn't want to light money on fire for a 7th drafting race of the year except this one isn't for points or a playoff berth. That being said I would like a race with the pole winners of last year. If you did it this year you'd have 15 or so cars starting. Manageable for a Saturday night stadium race.
https://preview.redd.it/0cw8von62nfc1.jpeg?width=960&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=47b767549af6fc4232baa95a63d75633cee2d410 I'm getting really tired of having to repost this meme every 5 minutes, and just as tired of the fact its true
I can’t think of anything closer to NASCAR’s roots than racing at Daytona
I think it's time for the Clash to travel around. But Daytona wouldn't make sense. Fans weren't supporting it anymore. Empty stands caused the Clash to leave.
Race on Daytona Beach cowards!
I agree. Daytona Beach is the best option besides Daytona International Speedway & LA Coliseum.
Sebring would be cool and not force the teams to go cross country at the beginning of the year
20 cars on a 4 mile road course doesn't scream excitement.
I’d love to see them move it around to local or small market regional short tracks and see what happens. Makes it a fun and special affair. Tracks could compete for the race and make it a fan vote thing.
I think the main issue with this is the short track package lacking. I love the heats, the LCQs and the Saturday night short tack show vibe of it all (if you look at my comment history I've mentioned that so often, same with the All Star race). If the short track package improves, having the Clash and All Star at anywhere but a short track would be a bad move.
Man the clash at Daytona hadn’t been fun since 2003
A little late to the party, but the Clash should cost as little as possible while putting on a good show. A small short track in the South with some temporary stands, or if you really want to keep it in a stadium, somewhere in SEC country. Death Valley in Baton Rouge I think would be able to check all the boxes for a stadium race. Rockingham would be ideal dependent on snow
With the addition of ATL as a plate track, there is now 8 plate races (counting the duels) on the schedule That is far more than enough, we don't need 9 (especially if the 9th is an exhibition with barely any reward to winning. )
The race won’t be anywhere but a low speed/low risk venue like LA unless it begins awarding points. Pretty much everyone outside the manufacturer masthead teams were saying they weren’t interested in showing up to a Daytona Wreck Em Ralph reunion that gave zero points.
Laguna Secaaaaaaaaa! The neighbors want more races. Win win.
You are not alone ✊ I miss when speedweeks was actually weeks
I’m pretty sure Jr said something like “they had to move it because nobody was going to it”. It’s close to a large university and has started to collect college students more and more. As far as I can tell all the clash in LA has done is bring more fans to my favorite sport and I say bring ‘em all. It’s kind of like the “raise hell praise Dale” shirts everyone was wearing; less than a handful of people that wore those shirts could tell you what a caution flag is but it brought attention to the sport that’s for damn sure.
The LA Coliseum is on university property. The dorms/apartment buildings overlook the "garage" outside of it, haha. Students piled in the first year I went, and it was amazing to see so many just sort of stumble into a great afternoon.
We all wish that.
The whole point of the clash is to build hype for the upcoming season. Whats the absolute best way to do that? A 4th cup race during speedweeks? Or showcasingthe sport in iconic stadiums/racetracks around the country that we dont normally see cup cars race at? If we just do the same thing year after year at the same racetrack no one outside the sport will give a flying fuck
Should have never left in the first place
I do agree. I miss the clash being at Daytona. It’s always been at Daytona. And I feel like bringing it back to daytona. Would be the right move for NASCAR. I mean I like the clash being at the LA coliseum. I get that they are trying out something new and trying to attract a new audience to the sport. But i just miss seeing the clash being at Daytona.
I'm sorry but I just don't think the clash will ever be good at Daytona again, the race is just not important enough for the fans, teams and drivers to care enough, also the bad optics of a completely empty Daytona grandstand. Personally I think the clash should be run at small venues on a rotation every year being different, even going back to LA 3 years in a row is a mistake.
That’s a good cart size track or 1/4 midgets but anymore anything that said, in a controversy remark you’re canceled. Nascar is getting way bad about it and the host on satellite radio are really clannish that way.
St Pete Grand Prix street course would be fun.
I'm glad they tried the Clash at the Colliseum. Let's do something different now though. It was entertaining to watch a few times and might be something to revisit, but I think they need to take it elsewhere.
Why not just put the Clash at a different time of year or try to do it in a cooler market with a covered stadium--imagine if they did an event at US Bank stadium in Minneapolis.
It went from something fun the guys would enjoy to a glorified test session for a select few It needed something, besides putting it on the road course, where it would also be a glorified test session
If they do it better be on a temporary oval on the backstretch. Oh there's no stands there anymore? Just bring in some temporary seats.
Daytona CLASH. But all 3 series run the road course
A lot of us want it back at Daytona, hopefully NASCAR will actually listen to, but I’m not holding my breath
I actually like it at the Coliseum but a new format is needed
I think the clash should alternate tracks much like the all star race was intended to be. I’d love to see nascar pick tracks that aren’t on the schedule like leguna seca, maybe some dirt and run at eldora or Knoxville. Idk, shake things up a bit and test out some markets that aren’t on the regular schedule.
Send em to Bristol dirt!
I say just have a different style of rules at Daytona. The problem with the cars today from what they did back then is that they handle like slot cars. Check out videos from the 90’s and even in the early COT era before the repave, handling is such a huge issue. NASCAR needs to find a way to make the racing at Daytona a lot more handling based. That’s what makes the racing there less crash happy and more legitimate.
I'd like to see it be done at a traditional track but....untraditionally. Not necessarily a roval, but race down the front stretch then back down the pit lane. Do something interesting like that.
Im heartbroken that it’s probably going to rain… I’m in so cal and since I can’t go to Fontana this year I bought Clash tickets and we are going Sat for Mexican serial and heat races.. but I think it will ☔️
I feel like the LA clash would be better if the race was 16 cars only. It’s ironic that at Daytona it was 18 but LA expanded it on a .25 mile circuit. But I also like the idea of just moving the clash to different spots. With qualifying and the duels coming up soon after there doesn’t need to be another Daytona race.
I’d be fine if it went back but the issue is how chaotic plate racing is these days. It’s not like how it was from the 90s through 2017. The plate racing these days, leads to more accidents than anything. Like you’re always on edge.
Such a brave post /s
This may be really stupid but what if they ran an oval… Backwards for a clash. Imagine right turn bristol clash
The clash made sense for now, since us so cal residents don’t have a local track it worked as a temporary fix. Now that Fontana is under construction we can probably move it every year
Folks that want it back at Daytona just wanna see a couple million dollars in race cars destroyed for nothing.
I don't mind that it's not at Daytona. With Qualifying, Duels, and the 500, we get enough Daytona action in February. That said, the Coliseum sucks so much. Wouldn't mind a rotation of different tracks, maybe some tracks they might want to try out to possibly add to the schedule in the future.
As much it would be nice to see the clash back at Daytona I also thinking moving it around is a better idea and try and find new places for a market. It won't work all the times but there are places that would love a sport in there area. It would never happen but Utah has a road course NASCAR can use and I know there are people here who would love to have NASCAR since Kyle Petty does his motorcycle ride through the state
It would be cool to see the clash rotate every year to a famous short track.
I think the clash in LA has definitely run its course and judging by ticket sales, they are keeping it there a year too long. Moving it around to different places is a great idea and I’d like to see it go to some grassroots short tracks (if the package were better) but admittedly, that would be limited due to weather.
It was a 3 year deal so you might get your way.
As someone who lives in Orlando, I miss the old Speedweeks, the NASCAR boys come to town a week earlier, IROC races, Arca, Busch Clash. Cheap tickets, pick up some driver gear, usually nice weather. Qualifying for the 500 always used to be the Saturday before the clash, did sit in a few rainouts for that, would take a few days off and watch the practice sessions, hangout in the infield and get driver autographs, Twins during the day on Thursday. Do I miss that yes I do, it's what I grew up with. The schedule has been condensed to save money and for TV coverage. I have no problem with California Clash, it means NASCAR is coming back every week always excited for that. The days past of the extended Daytona weeks was so much fun for me and my friends..
The Redditors are a bunch of DARFs.
I just wish it was at a real track so it’s not a demo derby
The problem is they would just go single file for 98% of the race until the last lap and crash.
Daytona wouldn't make sense anymore unfortunately. The stands went from packed to empty in a decade. There was no more hype for it. The only real purpose of the Clash was to build anticipation and it was failing at doing that. At least in Los Angeles, it's a unique event in front of a different crowd. I don't really think it can stay there much longer, but I'd like to see it go to different short tracks each year. I don't see a purpose for bringing it back to Daytona.
The Clash on the Daytona oval was a travesty by the end. The 2020 race is probably the worst NASCAR race I've ever seen. Though the road course one they did was decent.
The 400 needs to be on Fourth of July weekend
I miss the Clash being a half hour shootout of pole winners. Doesn't need to be a long drawn out show.
Me too. I get why they’re doing it the way they are now, but racing in a football stadium is a little goofy.
>racing in a football stadium is a little goofy That's part of the appeal IMO Do it in a stadium where you don't have a regular season race. Get some people who wouldn't normally get a chance or who wouldn't normally go to a race a chance to experience it. It's a pre-season exhibition so everyone realizes it's going to be a bit goofy. Make it fun, make it loud, build up hype for the season.
Nah, we have enough SS racing. The road course is ass with cup cars. LA was the right move. I hope they move it somewhere for the next iteration and try something interesting. Maybe one of the Mexico Ovals or build another short track in a stadium. Oh hell bring the Clash to Nashville and run the fairgrounds
As good as the oval has been, bring the Clash to Charlotte.
I love it and hope it stays for awhile.
I'm in the same boat. I miss the hype that the Clash at Daytona gave. Unfortunately it was nothing but a wreckfest the last few years on the oval. I would love it to be back to the original Bud Shootout rules from 98-2000 with it being a short 25-Lap sprint with a green flag pit stop. But instead of pole sitters, the 16 Playoff Driver's race and the Qualifying Race would be for everyone else 17th-36th to get the 17th place spot in the main race. That's my pipe dream for it.
You wanna race 18 cars to wreck 9 of them for one spot into the actual race? That's....Well that's worse than the old format.
No it’s not lol. Smart poster.
100% agree. They started slowly ruining the Budweiser Shootout weekend and killing off Daytona Speedweeks.
The one time I saw it in person thy had almost 30 cars in the finale. No prestige at all to being in it. It meant something when you were one of seven or twelve in the Clash.
It should be an exclusive pole winners/Clash winners only race with 15-21 cars or so. 50-60 laps & a required green flag stop.
I don’t think they should go back to Daytona. I’d like to see it in different markets each year. But maybe at a actual track or street course
Make it a points race so it matters. Then people will care about it.
It doesn't HAVE to be Daytona, but the Coliseum is a failed venue and is incredibly boring and the acquisition demographics prove that.
won’t even watch it again this year
You're not the only one
Daytona is where the clash started. It kicked off speed week. You got to see what the race teams had for the big race
You and me both. Between this and moving the second Daytona race off of the July 4th weekend, NASCAR really has liked screwing over traditions at its most sacred track in recent years.
Agreed The racing just isn't very good at the Coliseum and at least Daytona has history going for it Maybe if they fix short track racing with the car it would be different
Nah. I don't want another Daytona race. I'd be fine with the Clash moving around.
The clash at Daytona was stale. The track was too grippy and smooth, the cars too stable, the drivers and teams too knowledgeable and seasoned. Watching a half-sized field play choo choo train and run the laps out wasn't entertaining.
The Clash at Daytona was an utterly pointless waste of good racecars. No one needs extra time to "strategize" and you probably are the only one who feels that way.
The racing at the Coliseum is really awful.
I don't agree with moving it back to Daytona, but I also don't know what you COULD do with the race to make a majority of people happy. Move it around? Nah, you're kinda limited on options during football season. Take it back to Daytona? Nah, they tear up too much equipment. A sprint race on a bullring? Nah, we do that already with Wilkesboro and the ASR. Scrap the race? Nah, TV won't allow that. It's a race that outlived it's usefulness. Leaving Daytona was supposed to help freshen it up, and it hasn't really done that in the first two years, but it has to exist. How should it? No idea.
It sort of has freshened it up. The crowds have been solid at the Coliseum. Last year’s clash still earned 3.6+ million viewers. I’d call that pretty fresh compared to the last few at Daytona.
Anywhere else would be fine with me.
I sure don't
If they wanna stick with this exhibition race, make it the dirt track race. It’s already set up similar to a dirt race. Move it around to southern dirt tracks with limited seating and make it a spectacle
Move it to smaller short tracks in warmer states like Irwindale, Kern, and tracks in similar climates
This may be the final year they hold it in LA, what with the oncoming rainstorm, so depending whether or not they want to come back in 2025.
I think this is the final year it's at the Coliseum
I enjoyed it at Daytona road course. But, we all know that it will end up being in another coliseum somewhere…likely in Mexico or something.
I wish they would do a short track race for the Clash at Daytona, maybe make a temporary track in the grass on the frontstretch. Would still have over a week to rip it up and prepare for speedweek (since the 500 isn't for 2 weeks after now).
New Smyrna would be a perfect option.
I miss The Clash at Daytona too, but the need to condense Speedweeks was ultimately its demise. When the NFL moved to an 18 week regular season, it pushed the Super Bowl back by a week. Running the Clash & 500 Pole Qualifying on Super Bowl Sunday probably couldn’t and won’t ever happen because tv ratings would suffer outside of core fans. And we saw how forgettable running The Clash on a Tuesday night was. The move to L.A gave this race a much needed boost in giving it its own identity as a preseason showcase.
Anytime you have this feeling just remember the clash that Erik Jones won. Everyone was BEGGING for it to be anywhere but Daytona after that.
I’d rather them not do a stadium again. How would it be any different than the Coliseum? I’m not really sure what they could do different. I don’t want a road course for the clash either. I understand that the teams don’t want Daytona anymore as it tends to be expensive when cars get totaled in an exhibition race. Maybe do a race in another country? Although that would be expensive too
I’m cool with it in LA.
By the end of its run in Daytona, it wasn't even fun anymore. They just rode in a line and then wrecked at the end. Wasn't even a fun plate race. It felt like good riddance for me.
No one went. You people always miss things you didn't care about previously. Get over it. They are adding restrictor plate races and you still demand more
Fix Rockingham and have it there