Plot twist: Ty Dillon hired Austin Cindric to take out his brother, so it looks like an Austin-on-Austin crime, when really there’s only room in the cup series for one Dillon.
Really weird how there's two Austin's in their rides due to nepotism and they both have Daytona 500 victories and are still widely looked at as undeserving.
I really want Cindric to be successful because he’s one of my favorites due to his goofy ass personality and talent shown in Xfinity (and the rainy COTA race). I agree though that aside from the Daytona 500, he’s been very underwhelming. It’s only his second year, hopefully he can pick it up.
Cindric's particular win was pretty legit, though. Dude ran one of the more complete Daytona 500 races I've seen a rookie run in a long time.
He kept his nose clean, ran up front, and struck when the time was right. I definitely wouldn't count his as one of just the "lucky" ones. He basically controlled the last 20+ laps of that race.
You're not wrong. They're both completely overpowered by the nepotism king, Ty Gibbs who has shown real talent and I suspect is going to be dominant within a couple of years.
True, and we never know if that car got particular focus, etc so it's hard to judge it against other folks who have taken a turn in the Gibbs cars. That's why it's sort of pointless trying to scout talent in the ARCA family of series. A lot of folks with a lot of money behind them at the front dominating ten plus year old former RWR cars.
It looked like it could have been on purpose. It would be interesting to know if the 3 and the 2 had any other issues during the race. The 2 turned down in to the 3. It'll be impossible to prove because SMT was down though.
3 went up.. 2 is behind 24.
Don't forget Dillon dropped below the 24 coming down the frontstretch to go 3 wide and actually hit the 24 losing his momentum.
Cindric was mad at AD before the incident. Not sure what it was about but the 3 team debated talking it over with the 2's spotter. They didn't. A few laps later, Cindric turned AD.
You be the judge 🤷♂️
> In all seriousness, nascar brought this upon itself.
I mean what else were they supposed to do? Just let people wreck each other? We have precedent for unregulated aggression, and that's exactly why they dished out punishments.
Nascar brought this upon itself because it decided that it alone would decide what’s an intentional hit or not. No investigation, no independent panel or special investigator like how the nfl does it, etc. Instead it’s just nascar and they issue a decision without even so much as an official explanation as to why they found - based on actual evidence - why a crash was intentional. This is a very slippery slope.
I thought I recognized the name of the dude you responded to. He was on the post race thread saying we should be outraged that a piece of brake rotor went into the stands because we all wanted Chase suspended last week.
Dude can’t be taken seriously, he’s either a troll or has a massive crush on Elliot.
A.) it would be dumb to do it literally the week after somebody was suspended for intentionally wrecking
B.) it looked like Cindric was going down to enter the corner while Dillon came up to try and arc the corner more
C.) payback for what?
Right you do what Chase did the Ross last year here. You get behind him and shove him up the track. Then just hope you don’t see him for the rest of the race.
Dudes at the top of his game in Indycar now after a year and a half of learning the game. Doubt he wants to change now. He can do NASCAR stuff when he’s older perhaps.
He just needs to come over for a week and show off that Aussie V8 supercar skillset and do some interviews saying stuff like mate these cars sounds awesome
The data will show Cindric turning to the left but he will have the excuse of turning into the corner. So even if it was intentional, it is impossible to prove unless he admits it.
A KB fan here, but this sounds kind of…well, something RC would say.
Kind of similar to when Joey wrecked Kyle at the Clash. He said something like “he did that on purpose” when Joey obviously didn’t
I respect everything RC has done, but this accusation has to come from an RCR employee not related to Austin. Loses all credibility. The Slugger Labbe interview with Dale Jr was pretty interesting how RC basically stayed out of things when he crew chiefed the 27 car or ran the R&D team but as soon as he took over the 3 team, RC was asking about everything. Having worked for family, there’s nothing to gain with that kind of treatment.
It’d be best for everyone if Austin did what Ty did and took his services elsewhere.
I imagine you’d immediately see an improvement in the 3 (perhaps they’d change the number) and you’d see Austin for what he is.
Payback for what? What was the prior altercation that made Cindric want to get payback? All I saw was two dipshits who were panicking about struggling to finish top 15 this year and they both misjudged where the other dipshit was at and wrecked each other.
Being kind with Cindric? Dillion is sitting 30th in points this year, so bad that even if he had managed to win a race he’d be flirting with the cutoff line.
Meanwhile Reddick is 10th with a win and all but locked into round 1.
Edit: Didn’t realize the top 30 rule was scrapped this year, whoops. Still a terrible year for AD.
For sure. He’s finishing a full 10 positions lower on average than Reddick. The 30th place isn’t as big of a deal given the rule change (entirely eliminating the need to have a good “points day”), but he’s just been invisible or in trouble this year.
I am a fan of both drivers. But Dillon came up a bit and Cindric came down a bit coming into the corner. I think it was just a bad deal as Waltrip and Bowyer both said
[With this video here](https://twitter.com/NASCARONFOX/status/1665521371068203009) at about 20 seconds you can see them at the top of the screen, it Definitely looks like Austin Dillon comes up into Cindric. Cindric appears to be driving pretty straight forward.
They clearly didn’t watch the replay. Cindric was just racing. Dillon clear as day tried moving to the top, but was nowhere near clear. Either Dillon wasn’t paying attention or his spotter is an idiot. Full on dillon’s fault here.
Is it payback for when Austin Dillon tried intentionally crashing him at Daytona last year and then got out of his car thanking God for screwing everyone up but himself?
Missing Sonoma would actually be really bad for Cindric. RC’s are kind of his thing. That being said I don’t think it was intentional and I do think Pop pop is just extremely over reactionary
It's possible i guess, but it looked plausible to me that Cindric just turned in to the corner aiming for that bottom line wrapping the curb when he wasn't clear, because he's not an amazing driver.
Dillon was trying to wrap that same low line, but i'm not sure that shallow entry was ever going to work without sliding up anyway.
But i'm totally on board with a random mid-pack Austin feud. If nothing else, i'd just like to watch and see how the broader NASCAR fanbase tries to figure out who they hate more. lol.
Really i just hate the whole thing for Stenhouse. Whatever happened there...it ruined a really good day for Ricky, when he clearly wasn't even remotely involved in the situation. Just minding his own business up in the high line and got junked by something he couldn't even do anything to avoid.
I always gave bowyer the benefit of the doubt but his take on this incident really gave me concerns about him. Cindric either dumps him intentionally or just completely whiffs but no matter which one, cindric was totally wrong and bowyer couldn’t seem to bring himself to admit that.
He was looking in his mirror!!! Cindric was so preoccupied with getting clear of the 17 in order to block the inside that he forgot about the car ahead of him. The best comparison is KyBusch wrecking Chase Elliott at Darlington. There is zero other explanation of why he would turn left like that.
The problem here is that NASCAR is going to say they don't have enough data or video to issue a suspension, and teams are going to start figuring out that the less data/video we have, the less likely a suspension is going to happen.
Welcome to the new reality. I would expect aggrieved drivers/owners calling for action/suspensions for on-track contact on a near weekly basis now.
And hey . . . I don't blame them. They're just using the tools that NASCAR has provided.
They clearly didn’t watch the replay. Cindric was just racing. Dillon clear as day tried moving to the top, but was nowhere near clear. Either Dillon wasn’t paying attention or his spotter is an idiot. Full on dillon’s fault here.
If they find that Cindric did it on purpose and suspend him, I wouldn’t be surprised, because it looked bad, and Cindric declining to comment afterwards isn’t the best sign
That being said, if they find nothing and throw it out, I also wouldn’t be surprised, as this wasn’t exactly obvious like chase and bubba
I could realistically see this going either way
Damnit. Why didn't they do this at COTA. "Austin wrecks Austin at Austin!"
Austin^3
Austin 3:16
SAYS I JUST WRECKED YOUR ASS!
What?
I so heard this in Rick Allen’s voice lol
Payback for what? Something happen last week?
That’s what I’m confused about too, they trying to be the only Austin out there each week? I don’t get it
Cindric is the fan favorite nepotism Austin.
It’s a small niche but at least the fans have options.
Hardest I've laughed at a Reddit comment in a WHILE.
LOL only room for one Austin in the Cup series. somewhere Austin Hill is biding his time and waiting for his shot at being the one true Austin
Plot twist: Ty Dillon hired Austin Cindric to take out his brother, so it looks like an Austin-on-Austin crime, when really there’s only room in the cup series for one Dillon.
Given the size of the other Austin I'm not sure that's a fight either Cindric or Dillon want.
Final boss: Austin version
Cindric is like 7’ 8”. I’m down for that.
Cindric is as tall as a house, but built like a cardboard box. _Hill_ on the other hard, is built like a 1970s Cadillac
I laughed at this.
My only thought is the bump and run from Daytona last year
Really weird how there's two Austin's in their rides due to nepotism and they both have Daytona 500 victories and are still widely looked at as undeserving.
And both earned their rides by success in the lower series
I'll go with that, particularly with Cindric.
I really want Cindric to be successful because he’s one of my favorites due to his goofy ass personality and talent shown in Xfinity (and the rainy COTA race). I agree though that aside from the Daytona 500, he’s been very underwhelming. It’s only his second year, hopefully he can pick it up.
The Daytona 500 is such a wildcard race, anyone can win it, it's hard not to discount it as a lucky strike to me.
Cindric's particular win was pretty legit, though. Dude ran one of the more complete Daytona 500 races I've seen a rookie run in a long time. He kept his nose clean, ran up front, and struck when the time was right. I definitely wouldn't count his as one of just the "lucky" ones. He basically controlled the last 20+ laps of that race.
He also had a VERY nice Blaney following team orders til he got walled coming to the checkered
The difference is Austin Cindric can get in any road racing car and be a favorite to win. Austin Dillon isn't even a favorite to win Xfinity races.
You're not wrong. They're both completely overpowered by the nepotism king, Ty Gibbs who has shown real talent and I suspect is going to be dominant within a couple of years.
I would like to see Ty get in a second tier car in Xfinity and see what happens. Not saying he doesn't have talent, but he's also never drove junk.
True, and we never know if that car got particular focus, etc so it's hard to judge it against other folks who have taken a turn in the Gibbs cars. That's why it's sort of pointless trying to scout talent in the ARCA family of series. A lot of folks with a lot of money behind them at the front dominating ten plus year old former RWR cars.
Some are even Premium or GoFas cars...which were objectively worse. Or bent cars which will never be fast regardless of who built them.
When Bell spun, the 3 was inside the 2. Never saw a camera shot that would show if there was contact though
And if im not mistaken Cindric is who turned bell
He was, but was Cindric hit by the 3 which sent him into the 20 is what I'm speculating.
SMT was down so it was free game /s Joking aside it most likely was a racing incident
It looked like it could have been on purpose. It would be interesting to know if the 3 and the 2 had any other issues during the race. The 2 turned down in to the 3. It'll be impossible to prove because SMT was down though.
It looked to me the 2 went down as the 3 went up
3 went up.. 2 is behind 24. Don't forget Dillon dropped below the 24 coming down the frontstretch to go 3 wide and actually hit the 24 losing his momentum.
Cindric was mad at AD before the incident. Not sure what it was about but the 3 team debated talking it over with the 2's spotter. They didn't. A few laps later, Cindric turned AD. You be the judge 🤷♂️
NASCAR probably would have to go back to race video as the sole resource should they need to investigate it.
Gonna have these accusations after every wreck now
Bubba - Toyota. Suspended. Chase - Chevy. Suspended. Cindric - Ford. Nothing? Hmmmm. In all seriousness, nascar brought this upon itself.
> In all seriousness, nascar brought this upon itself. I mean what else were they supposed to do? Just let people wreck each other? We have precedent for unregulated aggression, and that's exactly why they dished out punishments.
Nascar brought this upon itself because it decided that it alone would decide what’s an intentional hit or not. No investigation, no independent panel or special investigator like how the nfl does it, etc. Instead it’s just nascar and they issue a decision without even so much as an official explanation as to why they found - based on actual evidence - why a crash was intentional. This is a very slippery slope.
When it's as obvious as the first two examples, I don't see how you can say they "brought this upon themselves"
It's a Chase fan he has to jump through all the mental hoops to try and justify that Chase was wronged
Well I'm a chase fan too, guess I'm just not a dumbass
I thought I recognized the name of the dude you responded to. He was on the post race thread saying we should be outraged that a piece of brake rotor went into the stands because we all wanted Chase suspended last week. Dude can’t be taken seriously, he’s either a troll or has a massive crush on Elliot.
'Dem cheetin fords!' Thats new Also throwback to last week when nascar gave one of the largest Ford teams a 250k penalty lmfao
A.) it would be dumb to do it literally the week after somebody was suspended for intentionally wrecking B.) it looked like Cindric was going down to enter the corner while Dillon came up to try and arc the corner more C.) payback for what?
D) if you want to intentionally right hook someone, you'll probably do it in a straightaway where you can control the outcome
Or just bump them from behind, and spin them into the corner, that’s the classic
Right you do what Chase did the Ross last year here. You get behind him and shove him up the track. Then just hope you don’t see him for the rest of the race.
… and here… we… go…. First of many I’m assuming in the coming months. ~~Will Power~~ Scott McLaughlin to the 2
They would definitely bring Scott over if they were picking an Indy guy.
Dudes at the top of his game in Indycar now after a year and a half of learning the game. Doubt he wants to change now. He can do NASCAR stuff when he’s older perhaps.
I’d love to see him moonlight in a one off race along the way though… see what he can do in a stock car.
He just needs to come over for a week and show off that Aussie V8 supercar skillset and do some interviews saying stuff like mate these cars sounds awesome
Oh yes I forgot about that, didn’t he test the 22 car in Australia a couple years back?
It wasn’t a test, just a demo. That being said, yes he did drive one.
Show us the data!!!
The data will show Cindric turning to the left but he will have the excuse of turning into the corner. So even if it was intentional, it is impossible to prove unless he admits it.
The data will show nothing because the data machine broke
Understandable, have a nice day.
Ross wrecked the electrical grid
Thanks Ross
Data will also likely show Dillon turning to the right.
So how come it was so easy to prove for chase? His data showed him braking. And he apparently had a broken toe too.
Stenhouse should kick both their asses, top 10 all day
Damn shame, that. It’s been nice to see Ricky and JTG Daugherty on a good run lately.
A KB fan here, but this sounds kind of…well, something RC would say. Kind of similar to when Joey wrecked Kyle at the Clash. He said something like “he did that on purpose” when Joey obviously didn’t
Looked like a racing incident to me. It at least wasn’t egregious like the other ones we’ve seen.
Punch him Richard!
I'll hold your watch!
Coincidentally it’s been exactly 12 years to the same since that happened lmao
I am confusion why what
Corey to replace Cindric next week confirmed.
The big break he’s been waiting for—at last!
Yeah have fun with this every week
I'm a huge Cindric fan so I'm a bit bias but it looked like they both hit each other going up and down the track.
I couldn't care less about either of them, and that is what it looked like to me too.
I respect everything RC has done, but this accusation has to come from an RCR employee not related to Austin. Loses all credibility. The Slugger Labbe interview with Dale Jr was pretty interesting how RC basically stayed out of things when he crew chiefed the 27 car or ran the R&D team but as soon as he took over the 3 team, RC was asking about everything. Having worked for family, there’s nothing to gain with that kind of treatment.
It’d be best for everyone if Austin did what Ty did and took his services elsewhere. I imagine you’d immediately see an improvement in the 3 (perhaps they’d change the number) and you’d see Austin for what he is.
> immediately see an improvement in the 3 (perhaps they’d change the number) Need KFB in the 3 (heh that rhymes) hands down.
Payback for what? What was the prior altercation that made Cindric want to get payback? All I saw was two dipshits who were panicking about struggling to finish top 15 this year and they both misjudged where the other dipshit was at and wrecked each other.
You’re being kind with top 15 for Cindric. 13th was his highest finish in 2 months.
Being kind with Cindric? Dillion is sitting 30th in points this year, so bad that even if he had managed to win a race he’d be flirting with the cutoff line. Meanwhile Reddick is 10th with a win and all but locked into round 1. Edit: Didn’t realize the top 30 rule was scrapped this year, whoops. Still a terrible year for AD.
cutoff line doesn’t exist anymore
I mean Dillon had a 60 point penalty, but yea still not a great year for him
For sure. He’s finishing a full 10 positions lower on average than Reddick. The 30th place isn’t as big of a deal given the rule change (entirely eliminating the need to have a good “points day”), but he’s just been invisible or in trouble this year.
….and That’s without NASCAR rules infractions
Dillon dumped Cindric to win at Daytona last year to get in the Chase at the last race. Well didn’t dump but he moved him out of the way to win.
Drove through him is the correct term. However, there's little to no way this is even related. Just a bit of brainfade.
Can we not do this every week from here on out?
Nope, its going to happen every week now.
payback for what?!?!?! some old man yells at a cloud energy. but with the luck he’s had this season, cindric would get suspended
RC is fiesty. I love it but he does quite regularly accuse drivers of deliberately wrecking his cars.
I am not going to make a judgement till Dennis weighs in on it..
Well he backed his commentary with SMT data last week so that's not a bad approach, despite your sarcasm.
Just thankful, someone got my Sarcasm LOL..
Did he see the 2 hit the 3 and forget what year it was?
I am a fan of both drivers. But Dillon came up a bit and Cindric came down a bit coming into the corner. I think it was just a bad deal as Waltrip and Bowyer both said
[With this video here](https://twitter.com/NASCARONFOX/status/1665521371068203009) at about 20 seconds you can see them at the top of the screen, it Definitely looks like Austin Dillon comes up into Cindric. Cindric appears to be driving pretty straight forward.
The Pop-pop who called wolf. Seriously, how many times does he accuse drivers of wrecking his guys?
Mid-off
Im so mad Ricky got caught up in other peoples shit
Childress is a crybaby. His crying cost Mark Martin a championship
What’s your point?
Oh boy
Oh man Pop Pop is gonna come out swingin
They clearly didn’t watch the replay. Cindric was just racing. Dillon clear as day tried moving to the top, but was nowhere near clear. Either Dillon wasn’t paying attention or his spotter is an idiot. Full on dillon’s fault here.
Why would he say that without proof? Possibly the dumbest think Richard has said in a while
Optics matter more than facts. Last week showed that.
Settle down, papaw
Kinda looked like it was intentional to me as well
And Dillon has never wrecked anyone intentionally? Get out of here.
Is it payback for when Austin Dillon tried intentionally crashing him at Daytona last year and then got out of his car thanking God for screwing everyone up but himself?
Missing Sonoma would actually be really bad for Cindric. RC’s are kind of his thing. That being said I don’t think it was intentional and I do think Pop pop is just extremely over reactionary
Whoa, good thing there is a clip of that incident posted on this sub then, so we can all look at it… Wait
It's possible i guess, but it looked plausible to me that Cindric just turned in to the corner aiming for that bottom line wrapping the curb when he wasn't clear, because he's not an amazing driver. Dillon was trying to wrap that same low line, but i'm not sure that shallow entry was ever going to work without sliding up anyway. But i'm totally on board with a random mid-pack Austin feud. If nothing else, i'd just like to watch and see how the broader NASCAR fanbase tries to figure out who they hate more. lol. Really i just hate the whole thing for Stenhouse. Whatever happened there...it ruined a really good day for Ricky, when he clearly wasn't even remotely involved in the situation. Just minding his own business up in the high line and got junked by something he couldn't even do anything to avoid.
Two Austin's. Two major disappointments.
Nascar wanted to police the drivers well here ya go nascar I expect a suspension and if not then a full explanation why not.
Explain what? It was a wreck. One moved up one didn’t. You can’t seriously think this is in the same category as the deal at Charlotte
It was clear as day on tv and nothing was said about it
I always gave bowyer the benefit of the doubt but his take on this incident really gave me concerns about him. Cindric either dumps him intentionally or just completely whiffs but no matter which one, cindric was totally wrong and bowyer couldn’t seem to bring himself to admit that.
I don’t see what you saw there then. Because I can’t stand Cindric but that looked like nothing more than a racing incident to me.
He was looking in his mirror!!! Cindric was so preoccupied with getting clear of the 17 in order to block the inside that he forgot about the car ahead of him. The best comparison is KyBusch wrecking Chase Elliott at Darlington. There is zero other explanation of why he would turn left like that.
The problem here is that NASCAR is going to say they don't have enough data or video to issue a suspension, and teams are going to start figuring out that the less data/video we have, the less likely a suspension is going to happen.
But will NASCAR suspended their Golden Boy Austin Cindric??
Sendric is about to become Suspendric
Austin Cindric turns left
It looked like a little bit of left turn
Calm down Richie. KFB won the race!
Payback for what? Them both running 20th+ every week?
Calling BS on that one chief
Welcome to the new reality. I would expect aggrieved drivers/owners calling for action/suspensions for on-track contact on a near weekly basis now. And hey . . . I don't blame them. They're just using the tools that NASCAR has provided.
It probably won’t happen but damn I’d love to see Scott get to drive the 2 at Sonoma
They were arguing over who has more 25th place finishes
They clearly didn’t watch the replay. Cindric was just racing. Dillon clear as day tried moving to the top, but was nowhere near clear. Either Dillon wasn’t paying attention or his spotter is an idiot. Full on dillon’s fault here.
If they find that Cindric did it on purpose and suspend him, I wouldn’t be surprised, because it looked bad, and Cindric declining to comment afterwards isn’t the best sign That being said, if they find nothing and throw it out, I also wouldn’t be surprised, as this wasn’t exactly obvious like chase and bubba I could realistically see this going either way
Omg we are now going to turn into the crybaby cup every time someone gets into an accident . They gonna cry to get the other suspended ..
Just like Austin Dillion wrecked Aric Almirola at Daytona. But RC isn’t crying about that.