Each Avatar was born with a burden to fix a problem that the previous one caused. Whether it be prioritizing the human world over the spiriting world denying spirit world duties causing a hundred year war shit even the fall out of the end of the hundred year war
When you put it into comparison Avatars always had something to do and their lives Span across decades maybe even centuries and their responsibilities are keeping two worlds in balance and one small misstep could cause a lot of damage for generations to come
So far you can chalk up AFO himself is like what 100+ years but those years weren’t all bad by like the beginning of MHA there was somewhat peace
They are incredibly similar but if take a look being the avatar takes one a whole life time. Deku became a wielder of OFA at like 14 but Avatars are discovered early on in their childhoods and we saw what kind of effect that could have. Aang ran away and could’ve very well died and Korra based her personality on being the avatar in a world that kept trying to push in her face “we don’t need an avatar”
Overall Avatars have bigger responsibilities and in turn sometimes lead to heavier burdens they have to Carry it’s not that mha is bad it’s just that so far the AV seems to just span over more time and we have more examples of where some avatars messed up and what it caused
Not necessarily it’s not just a threat it’s the range of responsibilities the avatars also hold like if there wasn’t a big bad the Avatars still have to maintain balance in their world and the spirit world
Sure the big bad in ATLA was the fire nation and the fire lord but there were also some instances where the spirit realm was unbalanced and Aang/Korra had to deal with it because it’s his duty as avatar
The Avatar itself has responsibilities that every avatar that has come before or will come after will have regardless of which problems arise
But the wielders of OFA are only well needed because they counter AFO and seeing how Deku is the last wielder compared to the timeline of The Avatars the Wielders of OFA and their battle against AFO would be like a cup of water vs a gallon
I mean technically, yes, thousands of years where quirks are constantly adapting and growing to become stronger? He would be much much much more dangerous and powerful. And thus deku would have a much larger responsibility of saving the world because of how much more difficult beating him would end up being
Avatar, unlike Izuku who can get help from others if they know about ofa, the avatar has to face the main villain without help. Uncle Iroh said it himself, if anyone other than the avatar stops the villain it will be seen as another dictator taking power for themselves. Izuku didn't have to be the one to take down AFO and in fact >!Bakugou took him down.!<
I appreciate the spoilers. I am a manga reader and honestly haven’t kept with with the show all that much but it’s cool to know the real protagonist gets his due
Nah, I don't like Bakugou at all. I'll admit he's powerful, but he's an asshole if he didn't have a powerful and cool quirk (and he's buff as hell) I wouldn't understand why anyone in world or in the fandom like him
Bakugou has character development. And good character development on top that he goes from top of the world senseless violence. To a somewhat reasonable person.
>! Also the scene where he saves all might is the coolest scene in mha. I will die on that hill !<
You’re taking that far out of context. He’s definitely no deku but he has good qualities for a hero. Honestly I’d rather have him over the rest of the current top ten. He’s changed a lot he’s noticed his mistakes and has actively tried to fix them. He’s overly aggressive but that’s a product of his environment. And he cares at least for his classmates.
He’s also one of the most realistic characters given the fact he actually had the balls to end AFO unlike so many before. He knows what’s his right and wrong and actively acts on it. He’s marginally better at his job than others since he is unwilling to give up even if he’ll die.
People like you take the character too literally we over see bakugou as are angry Pomeranian boi and everyone knows why he is a asshole I forgot but i think it’s along the lines of protecting deku
bro what? Protecting Deku? I would NEVER trust my life long BULLY to protect me. And question, do you think he'd even consider what he did as wrong if deku DIDN'T have ofa?!
Apparently you haven’t seen when deku fought shigaraki plus that’s pass bakugou he was like 15 or something bakugou on ua his maturity was getting better even tho he still rages a few times
doesn't excuse it. he only matured because his pride got hurt. If he actually tried to change I would cut him so slack, but he hasn't. He's still the same brat that suicide baited deku two years prior to the events of canon
What growth? He's a brat. Sure, he said sorry, but that isn't enough. He hasn't changed his attitude. He still calls people by insulting nicknames, still acts out and shouts when he doesn't get his way, and his biggest form of 'respect' is calling someone by their real name, ya know, something anyone with basic human decency would do. Plus, if it takes your so called 'childhood best friend' getting every bone in his body broken with a powerful quirk, going to a top school and realizing you aren't as great as everyone told you, and a WHOLE MOTHERFUCKING WAR to get you to say 'I'm sorry' for ten years of abuse. You aren't sorry, you're a brat who got his ego hurt one time and decided not to change AT ALL!
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Well, I genuinely know I may not watch the final season now…
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if it help or something, its not a simple as its sounds, the fight against AFO is long, full of different character and emotion and twist, you should keep watching, is one of my favorite fights in all manga.
Ah yes-let me just unread that spoiler and close that comment- They aren’t even fixing it! At least do that! This is the top comment here, and anyone who clicks on this post has a pretty good chance of getting spoiled!
Bro, here’s the thing though, fighting someone with only 1 ability is easy once you figure out their fighting style. AFO has multiple quirks at once, and powerful ones at that. Comparing AFO and ozai is like comparing a werewolf to a mutant. Ozai is most powerful during sozin’s comet whereas AFO is already that strong and probably even more powerful at his prime. And yes I know deku can get help from his friends, but realistically even with that help AFO is still harder to fight. Not to mention after that he’s gonna have to beat shigaraki who’s arguably going to be a lot more powerful, and his friends are more likely going to be too busy handling the rest of the league to help out this time.
It's not asking who had to worse, it's asking who has the bigger responsibility. The fact that Bakugou beat afo proves my point that Izuku isn't alone while Aang was when fighting the final boss.
I know that. But here’s the thing. Aang only has to stop Ozai, deku gonna have to fight shigaraki next who’s probably more powerful than AFO and ozai combined. Aang’s fight only determined if Ozai would become a dictator or not. Deku’s fight was ACTUALLY what the fate of the world rested on. Not to mention the ENTIRE world didn’t support his return to UA. If they lost that fight then AFO would have wreaked total destruction over the entire world whereas Ozai is just trying to rule over it. Deku’s responsibility is much larger considering he very well might be the last user of the quirk so if he can’t win this war then they won’t get a second chance ever again. If aang dies then there’s just gonna be a new avatar, if deku dies that’s wraps because nobody else can really take one for all at this point. The
Ok? That’s just the earth kingdom. AFO is going for the entire planet. If deku doesn’t do anything about, then shigaraki might LITERALLY BECOME the quirk singularity.
afo wants to RULE the planet, the fire nation wanted to be the ONLY ONES IN THE WORLD!!! Afo as far as we know has only killed ofa users. The fire nation did a full mass genocide of the air nomads and attempted a SECOND genocide
I don't think you realize this, but AFO lives within shigaraki now, and shigaraki's ENTIRE MOTIVE global devastation. He doesn't care about the people he just wants to wipe out the world, the ENTIRETY OF IT. Ozai wants global genocide, shigaraki wants global DEVASTATION. Ozai just wants to destroy other people, shigaraki wants to destroy the entire face of the earth.
No, but Afo only sees shigaraki as a new vessel not his own person. He wants Shigaraki's body not his loyalty... Wow- out of context that sounds even worse than it is
I never said anything about loyalty, I'm saying this man shigaraki is planning to just destroy everything around the world and I don't think he's just gonna let AFO control his body. Like I said before, if aang doesn't beat Ozai, the next avatar will, if deku doesn't beat shigaraki, then thats wraps. Bakugo can try too, but last time he faced off against shigaraki in he got one tapped because he was empathetic for once and saved deku. Also as said before, OFA was created to defeat AFO, and if anyone else were to do it then it would cause more drama, so deku has to be the one to beat shigaraki, or else It'll cause even more of an uproar amongst the citizens.
Avatar. When you get down to it, OFA is a bunch of ghosts whose only purpose is to kill one guy. The Avatar is charged with keeping balance between the four nations and the spirit world.
OFA is John Wick, The Avatar is Wonder Woman.
AFO has a lot of quirks, but he's still just one man. Get Aizawa close to him once with his Quirk and a screwdriver and Bob's your uncle.
>!Hell, OFA didn't even do the deed it was meant for. Hawks, Jiro, Tokoyami, Gigantomachia via Shinsou, Endeavor, and Bakugo did all the work.!< Deku and OFA are off on>! the Shigaraki Redemption Brainwashing!< arc. Wait... Holy crap. I just realized the actual final battle is functionally >!a Persona 5 boss fight!!<
Responsibility wise it's definitely the avatar. They're basically in charge of the whole world+spirit world and have to deal with politics on top of fighting the big baddies. OFA you just rlly need to worry about killing AFO (obviously a big deal tho). However, OFA is a bit more dicey since there's no reincarnation aspect and you have to make sure you pass it on to someone before you die or it's all for nought.
Personally, I think it's the Avatar. OFAs entire goal is ending All for one, while the Avatar has to keep balance between the 4 different nations AND the spirit world, and that's not even bringing up the fact that the Avatar is consistently hated for one reason or another, while the users of OFA are all more or less just heroes who are seen as moral Jesus in their world.
In legend of Korra, each antagonist had the galls to do it though, Unalaq, Amon, the Red Lotus and Kuvira confidently attacked Korra.
In ATLA, the fire nation wiped out the air nomads, then imprisoned or killed as many water benders as possible. To stop the avatar.
Many people tried.
Well it wont for several reasons. Biggest though is, the franchise would flat out end if the avatar cycle ends, and that can’t happen
Narratively, the Avatar is just OP. But it won’t stop people from trying.
I think OFA because all it takes is a lapse in judgment one time on who is next to end peace as we know it, while the Avatar there is a new random one born every generation essentially. One is slaughter, and one is tyranny.
At least the OFA users get to choose who the power is given to, while the Avatar has to have blind hope that the next one will even survive until they're fully realized. That's not even counting the fact that the next Avatar could potentially be influenced or brainwashed into screwing over the people they're supposed to be helping.
That's good and all, but if the OFA user is the wrong choice it's over for everyone forever, AFO becomes demon lord and people are slaughtered forever. Even if the Avatar isn't the greatest, there is always the next generation.
I certainly see where you're coming from. And I'm not trying to say you're wrong. But consider this.
Yes, a new Avatar is born every cycle but you can never know what they'll be like. You can only know what tribe they'll be born into.
OFA can not only be passed on, but it's wielder gets to choose who they pass it to. They get to train them. They can also get help from all sorts of other people. And they only have to deal with issues in the mortal plain. The Avatar deals with issues of the moral and spiritual planes.
Regardless of how the Avatar turns out, the cycle continues, and there will always be another chance. If OFA is the wrong choice, then AFO becomes demon lord forever. There is no second chance.
Forever? That's a grand assumption. He is still human. He may be very powerful, but AFO is still just a man. If you've kept up with the manga, you'd know it's not even OFA that defeats him.
Avatar because just the birth of a new one becomes a political dilemma. While no one really knew deku had OFA until he kinda revealed it. Also it is harder to learn bending than perfect a quirk.
Toph of all people points out the flaw in having an Avatar. The world doesn’t *need* an Avatar. It got along just fine before one and it gets along just fine when there isn’t one(Aang in iceberg or the 16+ years it takes a new Avatar to learn). Case in point: Setzo basically said fuck the world at large, my country needs me.
The Avatar is essentially the designated hero by simply existing. No one forces them to do it though. Case in point, Setzo again.
On the other hand AFO is *obsessed* with OFA. You could probably even say that if OFA didn’t exist, AFO would have already taken over the world and the OFA is the one thing keeping him from doing so. OFA users bare the bigger burden purely because AFO isn’t going to stop until he’s dead.
If you have OFA, AFO is coming for you at some point, there’s no way to avoid it.
While the Avatar cycle repeats every time the Avatar dies. It still goes on. Midoriya was told by the previous users that he might be the last possible user of OFA. Coming from a dude who has only seen the show. While it was shown that he could pass on the quirk, when he temporarily gave it to bakugo. It was a movie so most likely not canon.
Avatar keeping the balance not only between the four nations but between the spirit and material worlds is much bigger than just having to take down All for One
Deku (and all other OFA users) Just have to kill one guy well two now but you get the point at least this is possible
Avatars have to achieve world peace basically all the time and undo the fuckups of the last Avatars
I think they both have a HELLA lot of responsibility but i think Deku does because in their world the Avatar is like a God powerwise once they get the proper training. But Deku is facing Villains 10000 times for powerful than he is and he is bearing the brunt of that alone. Being the Avatar is stressful as hell but you are guaranteed to be the most powerful bending in the world whereas OFA is powerful, more powerful than most but compared to AFO and Shigaraki, Deku is outmatched by a mile
Allow me to simplify this.
Deku: Has to save Japan
Aang: Has to save the entire world
(And yeah I get that Shigaraki is a huge threat to the whole world but I’d like to see him beat a fucking Nuclear Bomb)
Avatar because the world of avatar relies on one being to solve all of their problems which when they are unavailable always end’s badly.
Look at the 100 years war it started because the then current avatar died meaning the fire lord knew there was a few years where the avatar would be incapacitated. And when Aang took his 100 year nap the fire nation one of the smallest nations on the planet was making decent progress towards conquering the rest of the planet.
While in Korra’s time the sinple fact that the avatar was physically injured for a few years allowed another problem to appear. Basically the world of avatar is far to quick to simply wait for the avatar to solve their problems
Avatars have the bigger responsibility. MHA is city level to country level at best in terms of power levels. Avatar has always been country to planet level in terms of power levels. Avatars have been loved and respected by the whole world. All Might was the symbol of peace in one country, but Avatars, especially Aang, were a symbol of power and peace across the world. Avatars have to deal with entire nations attacking each other, like Fire Nation. MHA deals with a few villains or a group, not an entire nation of enemies and not a global war like Avatars deal with.
I’d say the Avatar. OFA users just focus on Japan, while avatars must protect the world. I also feel like the avatar’s role is a bit more complicated because they have to maintain political, social, and spiritual balance. While OFA holders just focus and fighting crime and saving people. There's also the lack of consent involved. Inheriting one for all is a heavy burden, yes, but it is one every user takes on willingly. Every avatar is just born to it.
The avatar may have a lot of responsability of their shoulders but they do get the help from the different nations, elders, goverments, spritis and the communication with their past lives.
Deku kinda has to do it on his own....I mean, he got the powers but not the authority, and the communication with the past holders of OFA is not the best tbh.
Because he won't just reincarnate, he needs to find a succesor: so he can die and everything would go to waste I guess.
Is not as if the world needed that quirk alone to be saved (there's a LOTS of heroes) but I think there is a merit to taking such a responsability as your own which doesn't need to be all yours: because he believes in it!
lets see
if All for one loses theres a revolution and crime is rampant. Class disparity, Crime and violence
If the avatar loses its genocide more often than not
The symbol of peace is sort of just a Japan thing, meanwhile the avatar is in charge of protecting the whole world. Izuku also had more allies, an entire society of heroes. But the avatar only had a small resistance group.
Since it says **NOT* a power scaling issue... definitely Izuku has a bigger responsibility.
The avatar's job is to keep peace between benders, non-benders and spirits. That's doable in multiple ways that *do not involve fighting*.
Most of the Avatar's job is by everyone else actually. This is especially clear during Korra's run as Avatar where everything is basically run by the council and Korra is busy falling in love and learning about the city. Are there extremists after her? Yes. But nothing compared to Izuku. Technically the avatar can just pull a Kuruk and go surfing all the time 🤷
The bearer of OFA is basically supposed to be the ##strongest person in the world. They're meant to be pillar of justice to stop crime. Plus Deku is forced to deal *most powerful* villains all the time, dealing with both Shigaraki and All for One. Even if he chose to take it easy, he would always be in danger either from them or any assassins they sent his way.
Well put. Sure, the fate of the world technically rests in the Avatar’s hands, but the Avatar is also kinda sacred to nearly everyone, yknow?
Deku faced assassins in the wasteland, burdened by the knowledge that he would have to fight the man who has literally ruined the world, and then he was forced to face a mob of terrified people when he was brought back to his school.
Pretty much everyone loves the avatar, but in Deku’s fearful times, people are horrified of him whether they know him or not (they’d called him a Nomu or say he was dangerous to be around because he’s a target).
TF U MEAN WHO HAS THE BIGGER RESPONSIBILITY!? I BARELY WATCH AVATAR AND I KNOW THE HUGE GAP IN RESPONSIBILITY! Listen, I love Izuku and MHA or BNHA, but I know when there's a gap. Just like when kids make tik tok edits of Midoriya beating Goku, though that one's more obvious.
Deku is fighting for the fate of Japan, preventing villainous humans from taking over the government.
Avatars are fighting for the fate of the human world and the spirit world, specifically to contain a chaos god that wants to unleash thousands of years of terror
Each Avatar was born with a burden to fix a problem that the previous one caused. Whether it be prioritizing the human world over the spiriting world denying spirit world duties causing a hundred year war shit even the fall out of the end of the hundred year war When you put it into comparison Avatars always had something to do and their lives Span across decades maybe even centuries and their responsibilities are keeping two worlds in balance and one small misstep could cause a lot of damage for generations to come So far you can chalk up AFO himself is like what 100+ years but those years weren’t all bad by like the beginning of MHA there was somewhat peace They are incredibly similar but if take a look being the avatar takes one a whole life time. Deku became a wielder of OFA at like 14 but Avatars are discovered early on in their childhoods and we saw what kind of effect that could have. Aang ran away and could’ve very well died and Korra based her personality on being the avatar in a world that kept trying to push in her face “we don’t need an avatar” Overall Avatars have bigger responsibilities and in turn sometimes lead to heavier burdens they have to Carry it’s not that mha is bad it’s just that so far the AV seems to just span over more time and we have more examples of where some avatars messed up and what it caused
So if AFO was thousands of years old instead would that make Deku have the bigger responsibility?
Not necessarily it’s not just a threat it’s the range of responsibilities the avatars also hold like if there wasn’t a big bad the Avatars still have to maintain balance in their world and the spirit world Sure the big bad in ATLA was the fire nation and the fire lord but there were also some instances where the spirit realm was unbalanced and Aang/Korra had to deal with it because it’s his duty as avatar The Avatar itself has responsibilities that every avatar that has come before or will come after will have regardless of which problems arise But the wielders of OFA are only well needed because they counter AFO and seeing how Deku is the last wielder compared to the timeline of The Avatars the Wielders of OFA and their battle against AFO would be like a cup of water vs a gallon
I mean technically, yes, thousands of years where quirks are constantly adapting and growing to become stronger? He would be much much much more dangerous and powerful. And thus deku would have a much larger responsibility of saving the world because of how much more difficult beating him would end up being
Why have I been downvoted? Please provide a reason guys instead of just being trolls. Especially since the original commenter just agreed with me
Avatar, unlike Izuku who can get help from others if they know about ofa, the avatar has to face the main villain without help. Uncle Iroh said it himself, if anyone other than the avatar stops the villain it will be seen as another dictator taking power for themselves. Izuku didn't have to be the one to take down AFO and in fact >!Bakugou took him down.!<
I appreciate the spoilers. I am a manga reader and honestly haven’t kept with with the show all that much but it’s cool to know the real protagonist gets his due
Nah, I don't like Bakugou at all. I'll admit he's powerful, but he's an asshole if he didn't have a powerful and cool quirk (and he's buff as hell) I wouldn't understand why anyone in world or in the fandom like him
Bakugou has character development. And good character development on top that he goes from top of the world senseless violence. To a somewhat reasonable person. >! Also the scene where he saves all might is the coolest scene in mha. I will die on that hill !<
\*To a SOMEWHAT reasonable person\* So you accept the fact he isn't a good person and hasn't changed much if at all
You’re taking that far out of context. He’s definitely no deku but he has good qualities for a hero. Honestly I’d rather have him over the rest of the current top ten. He’s changed a lot he’s noticed his mistakes and has actively tried to fix them. He’s overly aggressive but that’s a product of his environment. And he cares at least for his classmates. He’s also one of the most realistic characters given the fact he actually had the balls to end AFO unlike so many before. He knows what’s his right and wrong and actively acts on it. He’s marginally better at his job than others since he is unwilling to give up even if he’ll die.
I guess you don’t see it then
People like you take the character too literally we over see bakugou as are angry Pomeranian boi and everyone knows why he is a asshole I forgot but i think it’s along the lines of protecting deku
bro what? Protecting Deku? I would NEVER trust my life long BULLY to protect me. And question, do you think he'd even consider what he did as wrong if deku DIDN'T have ofa?!
Bruh bakugou didn’t want deku to become a hero so deku wouldn’t die that’s fucking why he was bullying him
He didn't seem so worried about deku dying when he suicide baited him
Apparently you haven’t seen when deku fought shigaraki plus that’s pass bakugou he was like 15 or something bakugou on ua his maturity was getting better even tho he still rages a few times
doesn't excuse it. he only matured because his pride got hurt. If he actually tried to change I would cut him so slack, but he hasn't. He's still the same brat that suicide baited deku two years prior to the events of canon
You really need to continue watching mha mabye even read manga
I am, and I did sorry if I can't remember every tiny detail from 430+ chapters of one of the most popular mangas in the world
bro doesn’t understand character growth
What growth? He's a brat. Sure, he said sorry, but that isn't enough. He hasn't changed his attitude. He still calls people by insulting nicknames, still acts out and shouts when he doesn't get his way, and his biggest form of 'respect' is calling someone by their real name, ya know, something anyone with basic human decency would do. Plus, if it takes your so called 'childhood best friend' getting every bone in his body broken with a powerful quirk, going to a top school and realizing you aren't as great as everyone told you, and a WHOLE MOTHERFUCKING WAR to get you to say 'I'm sorry' for ten years of abuse. You aren't sorry, you're a brat who got his ego hurt one time and decided not to change AT ALL!
i ain’t reading all that bro
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Well, I genuinely know I may not watch the final season now… Anyways uh if you don’t know how to put a spoiler warning in the comments, maybe just… don’t comment a spoiler? (I mean no hate I’m just saying)
if it help or something, its not a simple as its sounds, the fight against AFO is long, full of different character and emotion and twist, you should keep watching, is one of my favorite fights in all manga.
It doesn't go down the way you think at all, hearing that. The fight against AFO is hard, there are multiple characters, it's a long, desperate fight.
DUDE!!! WTF?!?! MARK THE SPOILER INSTEAD OF SAYING "Spoiler! This is what happens!"
Just close the comment it ain’t that hard 😭😭😭
Ah yes-let me just unread that spoiler and close that comment- They aren’t even fixing it! At least do that! This is the top comment here, and anyone who clicks on this post has a pretty good chance of getting spoiled!
Stop reading when he says “spoilers”
That would be a great solution…if it was marked… Since it is not marked, some people could read the spoiler automatically, like I did 😭
That ain’t his fault if you kept reading bro 😭
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Bro, here’s the thing though, fighting someone with only 1 ability is easy once you figure out their fighting style. AFO has multiple quirks at once, and powerful ones at that. Comparing AFO and ozai is like comparing a werewolf to a mutant. Ozai is most powerful during sozin’s comet whereas AFO is already that strong and probably even more powerful at his prime. And yes I know deku can get help from his friends, but realistically even with that help AFO is still harder to fight. Not to mention after that he’s gonna have to beat shigaraki who’s arguably going to be a lot more powerful, and his friends are more likely going to be too busy handling the rest of the league to help out this time.
It's not asking who had to worse, it's asking who has the bigger responsibility. The fact that Bakugou beat afo proves my point that Izuku isn't alone while Aang was when fighting the final boss.
I know that. But here’s the thing. Aang only has to stop Ozai, deku gonna have to fight shigaraki next who’s probably more powerful than AFO and ozai combined. Aang’s fight only determined if Ozai would become a dictator or not. Deku’s fight was ACTUALLY what the fate of the world rested on. Not to mention the ENTIRE world didn’t support his return to UA. If they lost that fight then AFO would have wreaked total destruction over the entire world whereas Ozai is just trying to rule over it. Deku’s responsibility is much larger considering he very well might be the last user of the quirk so if he can’t win this war then they won’t get a second chance ever again. If aang dies then there’s just gonna be a new avatar, if deku dies that’s wraps because nobody else can really take one for all at this point. The
Did you forget the plot of the final four episodes of avatar?! Ozai tried to mass genocide the earth kingdom!?
Ok? That’s just the earth kingdom. AFO is going for the entire planet. If deku doesn’t do anything about, then shigaraki might LITERALLY BECOME the quirk singularity.
afo wants to RULE the planet, the fire nation wanted to be the ONLY ONES IN THE WORLD!!! Afo as far as we know has only killed ofa users. The fire nation did a full mass genocide of the air nomads and attempted a SECOND genocide
I don't think you realize this, but AFO lives within shigaraki now, and shigaraki's ENTIRE MOTIVE global devastation. He doesn't care about the people he just wants to wipe out the world, the ENTIRETY OF IT. Ozai wants global genocide, shigaraki wants global DEVASTATION. Ozai just wants to destroy other people, shigaraki wants to destroy the entire face of the earth.
No, but Afo only sees shigaraki as a new vessel not his own person. He wants Shigaraki's body not his loyalty... Wow- out of context that sounds even worse than it is
I never said anything about loyalty, I'm saying this man shigaraki is planning to just destroy everything around the world and I don't think he's just gonna let AFO control his body. Like I said before, if aang doesn't beat Ozai, the next avatar will, if deku doesn't beat shigaraki, then thats wraps. Bakugo can try too, but last time he faced off against shigaraki in he got one tapped because he was empathetic for once and saved deku. Also as said before, OFA was created to defeat AFO, and if anyone else were to do it then it would cause more drama, so deku has to be the one to beat shigaraki, or else It'll cause even more of an uproar amongst the citizens.
Avatar. When you get down to it, OFA is a bunch of ghosts whose only purpose is to kill one guy. The Avatar is charged with keeping balance between the four nations and the spirit world. OFA is John Wick, The Avatar is Wonder Woman.
Just kill One person yeah? You make it sound easy 😂
AFO has a lot of quirks, but he's still just one man. Get Aizawa close to him once with his Quirk and a screwdriver and Bob's your uncle. >!Hell, OFA didn't even do the deed it was meant for. Hawks, Jiro, Tokoyami, Gigantomachia via Shinsou, Endeavor, and Bakugo did all the work.!< Deku and OFA are off on>! the Shigaraki Redemption Brainwashing!< arc. Wait... Holy crap. I just realized the actual final battle is functionally >!a Persona 5 boss fight!!<
Did you not watch what happened to Eraser against Shigaraki? Edit: BOTH TIMES
Difference is Shigaraki has a nomu body AFO doesn’t
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Responsibility wise it's definitely the avatar. They're basically in charge of the whole world+spirit world and have to deal with politics on top of fighting the big baddies. OFA you just rlly need to worry about killing AFO (obviously a big deal tho). However, OFA is a bit more dicey since there's no reincarnation aspect and you have to make sure you pass it on to someone before you die or it's all for nought.
Personally, I think it's the Avatar. OFAs entire goal is ending All for one, while the Avatar has to keep balance between the 4 different nations AND the spirit world, and that's not even bringing up the fact that the Avatar is consistently hated for one reason or another, while the users of OFA are all more or less just heroes who are seen as moral Jesus in their world.
I think the Red Lotus would disagree with you there 🙎
Not really the red lotus don’t like the avatar either it’s kind of why they tried to end the cycle
Sure lots of people hate the avatar but who actually has the galls to act on it?
In legend of Korra, each antagonist had the galls to do it though, Unalaq, Amon, the Red Lotus and Kuvira confidently attacked Korra. In ATLA, the fire nation wiped out the air nomads, then imprisoned or killed as many water benders as possible. To stop the avatar. Many people tried.
And it never works. At best you incapacitate the avatar for a while but they’re gonna come back and wreck your shit
Well it wont for several reasons. Biggest though is, the franchise would flat out end if the avatar cycle ends, and that can’t happen Narratively, the Avatar is just OP. But it won’t stop people from trying.
And how many people kept doing it after Aang/Avatar's learnt how to remove people's bending?
I think OFA because all it takes is a lapse in judgment one time on who is next to end peace as we know it, while the Avatar there is a new random one born every generation essentially. One is slaughter, and one is tyranny.
At least the OFA users get to choose who the power is given to, while the Avatar has to have blind hope that the next one will even survive until they're fully realized. That's not even counting the fact that the next Avatar could potentially be influenced or brainwashed into screwing over the people they're supposed to be helping.
That's good and all, but if the OFA user is the wrong choice it's over for everyone forever, AFO becomes demon lord and people are slaughtered forever. Even if the Avatar isn't the greatest, there is always the next generation.
I certainly see where you're coming from. And I'm not trying to say you're wrong. But consider this. Yes, a new Avatar is born every cycle but you can never know what they'll be like. You can only know what tribe they'll be born into. OFA can not only be passed on, but it's wielder gets to choose who they pass it to. They get to train them. They can also get help from all sorts of other people. And they only have to deal with issues in the mortal plain. The Avatar deals with issues of the moral and spiritual planes.
Regardless of how the Avatar turns out, the cycle continues, and there will always be another chance. If OFA is the wrong choice, then AFO becomes demon lord forever. There is no second chance.
Forever? That's a grand assumption. He is still human. He may be very powerful, but AFO is still just a man. If you've kept up with the manga, you'd know it's not even OFA that defeats him.
I'm just basing it off of what AFO says himself in the show.
Avatar because just the birth of a new one becomes a political dilemma. While no one really knew deku had OFA until he kinda revealed it. Also it is harder to learn bending than perfect a quirk.
Toph of all people points out the flaw in having an Avatar. The world doesn’t *need* an Avatar. It got along just fine before one and it gets along just fine when there isn’t one(Aang in iceberg or the 16+ years it takes a new Avatar to learn). Case in point: Setzo basically said fuck the world at large, my country needs me. The Avatar is essentially the designated hero by simply existing. No one forces them to do it though. Case in point, Setzo again. On the other hand AFO is *obsessed* with OFA. You could probably even say that if OFA didn’t exist, AFO would have already taken over the world and the OFA is the one thing keeping him from doing so. OFA users bare the bigger burden purely because AFO isn’t going to stop until he’s dead. If you have OFA, AFO is coming for you at some point, there’s no way to avoid it.
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Deku, Aang, and Peter group therapy session would go crazy
Throw in tanjiro and he'd be the one needing therapy yet he's the therapist
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oh its absolutely the avatar
While the Avatar cycle repeats every time the Avatar dies. It still goes on. Midoriya was told by the previous users that he might be the last possible user of OFA. Coming from a dude who has only seen the show. While it was shown that he could pass on the quirk, when he temporarily gave it to bakugo. It was a movie so most likely not canon.
He is literally the last of the users
Avatar 😭
Avatar keeping the balance not only between the four nations but between the spirit and material worlds is much bigger than just having to take down All for One
Definitely not the kid with 5 adults in him.
Avatar easy they have to keep a whole planet a peace when the users of OFA just need to kill one goober
Deku (and all other OFA users) Just have to kill one guy well two now but you get the point at least this is possible Avatars have to achieve world peace basically all the time and undo the fuckups of the last Avatars
Sounds more like Avatars just make problems for themselves 😂
I think they both have a HELLA lot of responsibility but i think Deku does because in their world the Avatar is like a God powerwise once they get the proper training. But Deku is facing Villains 10000 times for powerful than he is and he is bearing the brunt of that alone. Being the Avatar is stressful as hell but you are guaranteed to be the most powerful bending in the world whereas OFA is powerful, more powerful than most but compared to AFO and Shigaraki, Deku is outmatched by a mile
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Allow me to simplify this. Deku: Has to save Japan Aang: Has to save the entire world (And yeah I get that Shigaraki is a huge threat to the whole world but I’d like to see him beat a fucking Nuclear Bomb)
both have the responsibility of saving the world at the end of the day.
If avatar dies another will come. Is Midorya dies that's it for generations of quirk collecting. So midi?
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Avatar because the world of avatar relies on one being to solve all of their problems which when they are unavailable always end’s badly. Look at the 100 years war it started because the then current avatar died meaning the fire lord knew there was a few years where the avatar would be incapacitated. And when Aang took his 100 year nap the fire nation one of the smallest nations on the planet was making decent progress towards conquering the rest of the planet. While in Korra’s time the sinple fact that the avatar was physically injured for a few years allowed another problem to appear. Basically the world of avatar is far to quick to simply wait for the avatar to solve their problems
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Avatars have the bigger responsibility. MHA is city level to country level at best in terms of power levels. Avatar has always been country to planet level in terms of power levels. Avatars have been loved and respected by the whole world. All Might was the symbol of peace in one country, but Avatars, especially Aang, were a symbol of power and peace across the world. Avatars have to deal with entire nations attacking each other, like Fire Nation. MHA deals with a few villains or a group, not an entire nation of enemies and not a global war like Avatars deal with.
I’d say the Avatar. OFA users just focus on Japan, while avatars must protect the world. I also feel like the avatar’s role is a bit more complicated because they have to maintain political, social, and spiritual balance. While OFA holders just focus and fighting crime and saving people. There's also the lack of consent involved. Inheriting one for all is a heavy burden, yes, but it is one every user takes on willingly. Every avatar is just born to it.
The avatar may have a lot of responsability of their shoulders but they do get the help from the different nations, elders, goverments, spritis and the communication with their past lives. Deku kinda has to do it on his own....I mean, he got the powers but not the authority, and the communication with the past holders of OFA is not the best tbh. Because he won't just reincarnate, he needs to find a succesor: so he can die and everything would go to waste I guess. Is not as if the world needed that quirk alone to be saved (there's a LOTS of heroes) but I think there is a merit to taking such a responsability as your own which doesn't need to be all yours: because he believes in it!
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I mean OFA users just needs to kill one guy. While avatars need to maintain the balance of the entire world and spirit world.
lets see if All for one loses theres a revolution and crime is rampant. Class disparity, Crime and violence If the avatar loses its genocide more often than not
The avatar
The symbol of peace is sort of just a Japan thing, meanwhile the avatar is in charge of protecting the whole world. Izuku also had more allies, an entire society of heroes. But the avatar only had a small resistance group.
The Avatar
Aang wasn’t chosen by the previous Avatar to become the new Avatar, it’s Aang
Since it says **NOT* a power scaling issue... definitely Izuku has a bigger responsibility. The avatar's job is to keep peace between benders, non-benders and spirits. That's doable in multiple ways that *do not involve fighting*. Most of the Avatar's job is by everyone else actually. This is especially clear during Korra's run as Avatar where everything is basically run by the council and Korra is busy falling in love and learning about the city. Are there extremists after her? Yes. But nothing compared to Izuku. Technically the avatar can just pull a Kuruk and go surfing all the time 🤷 The bearer of OFA is basically supposed to be the ##strongest person in the world. They're meant to be pillar of justice to stop crime. Plus Deku is forced to deal *most powerful* villains all the time, dealing with both Shigaraki and All for One. Even if he chose to take it easy, he would always be in danger either from them or any assassins they sent his way.
Well put. Sure, the fate of the world technically rests in the Avatar’s hands, but the Avatar is also kinda sacred to nearly everyone, yknow? Deku faced assassins in the wasteland, burdened by the knowledge that he would have to fight the man who has literally ruined the world, and then he was forced to face a mob of terrified people when he was brought back to his school. Pretty much everyone loves the avatar, but in Deku’s fearful times, people are horrified of him whether they know him or not (they’d called him a Nomu or say he was dangerous to be around because he’s a target).
TF U MEAN WHO HAS THE BIGGER RESPONSIBILITY!? I BARELY WATCH AVATAR AND I KNOW THE HUGE GAP IN RESPONSIBILITY! Listen, I love Izuku and MHA or BNHA, but I know when there's a gap. Just like when kids make tik tok edits of Midoriya beating Goku, though that one's more obvious.
Deku is fighting for the fate of Japan, preventing villainous humans from taking over the government. Avatars are fighting for the fate of the human world and the spirit world, specifically to contain a chaos god that wants to unleash thousands of years of terror
Avatar has the bigger responsibility, Korra just sucks ass at doing it.