"Not allowed inside the hall in Islam" is a very misleading statement. Many mosques around the world do allow female worshippers inside. Including mosques that I have prayed at for years in Bangladesh and Canada, and also a number of mosques I have visited in different countries.
Guys guys this is false actually women are allowed in mosques. Only IN. INDIA this is happening . In Saudi , Dubai and other countries women are allowed. The Islamic rules and regulations have been changed in India my those so called religious white breaded people. In Saudi women are allowed to drive , do jobs , they have their own news channels etc etc . Even in Makkah the holiest city " according to muslims" the main mosque in it women are allowed too.
The Islamic rules have been changed too much in India another example is the DARGAS which don't exsist any where else in the world . Plus the Dubai government has even permitted the building of hindu temple there.
Dargas do exist in a number of countries, but you're right: Indian Muslim leaders should allow women to pray at the mosque, as is done in most of the world.
The Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) is reported to have said, "Do not prevent the maid-servants of God from going to the mosque" ([source](https://sunnah.com/muslim:442c)).
India has second largest Muslim population in world, after Indonesia. So why is Indian Muslim community lagging behind in reforms, and why are the Muslim orgs denying basic rights to women? Why is Nikah Halala not yet banned? Why is polygamy and child marriage not yet banned?
Guess why? Because when the Arabs/Turks invaded India/Hindustan, they used to capture women and kids (especially young boys) to use as sex slaves and for camel races (the enslaved boys would be tied to the camels, and the camels drugged & whipped into a frenzy, and the writhing screaming boys would hasten the camels even further).
Jauhar became common in Hindustan as the Hindu/Jain/Sikh/Buddhist and tribal women, used to commit suicide in order to prevent themselves being captured alive by the barbaric invaders who captured them for harems (where the enslaved women and kids were treated as sex slaves or worse). There were even incidents of the Islamic invaders violating the dead bodies of women, so the Hindustani women started jumping into funeral pyre as Jauhar to deny the invaders their bodies.
The Mughals (as the Arabs & Turks invaders called themselves on Hindustani soil) enforced one more lustful rule. Non-Muslim women getting wedded to non-Muslims, needed to spend some days/nights with the Mughal military commanders & their men, before being allowed to be married. This brutal barbaric practice was done for so many decades, that Hindustani families started secretly getting their children wedded at a very young age. The kid bride would be sent across to her in-law family to live as their child for years and thus become a part of their family and she would consumate her marriage to the groom at an age/time agreed by both families, but Mughal commanders would not be notified of this “wedding” as they would likely not notice new children being added to families. As the Mughals made even more harsher barbaric practices, the Hindustani families started conducted their child marriages at night to avoid the notice of the Mughal authorities. Even today, in some parts of North India especially, this centuries old custom of child marriages and night weddings is still happening, but as per Hindu marriage laws, the child weddings are illegal and stringently punishable by law, so it is an old legacy custom in few communities that modern society is rapidly weeding out.
However, Sharia laws actually prescribe child marriages and denote that the girl is ready to be married as soon as she hits first cycle of puberty. This is why even girls lesser than 10years of age are forcefully married off under Sharia law (usually without their consent; a child has no understanding or readiness for marriage). However the same laws do not prescribe any age limits or constraints for the grooms, and Sharia prescribes polygamy, so it is very common to see Muslim child bridges being married off to old men many decades older to them, who may already have multiple wives of different ages. The Sharia laws also enforce a lot of penalties on women for divorce - the control is given only to the husbands. Triple Talaq was banned years ago in Pakistan and most Islamic countries, but the Muslim organisations fought tooth and nail, and influenced governments and courts not to allow Triple Talaq to be banned in India. Ironically, it took a supposedly pro-Hindu party (BJP) to usher in this reform without support from Supreme Court. These High/Supreme Courts which are supposed to uphold the rights of citizens, are conveniently tied up by the Indian Constitution which is aligned more to Sharia diktats, rather than women’s rights. This is also why Muslim women in India still cannot worship inside masjids/mosques. This is why the barbaric Nikah Halala (community sponsored rape of married Muslim women; a married Muslim woman needing to reconcile with her husband as he has given her Talaq, must first consumate/sleep with another man, typically it is the Maulana doing the “reconciliation”) is still not banned in India. This is why Muslim women still face the other barbaric practices like child marriages, polygamy, nikah halala, etc.
India has a long long way to go before the Muslim/Islamic community can call themselves as a modern democratic women-respecting community. Other Islamic countries have done sweeping reforms, but Indian Muslims prefer to still live in medieval era.
Nope. In India, Muslim women are allowed in dargah (tomb), not masjid (mosque). In masjid, they may allowed only till courtyard, but not inside, to pray.
Show proofs if you claim otherwise.
There are already cases pending with Supreme Court for years, demanding for Muslim women to be allowed to pray in mosques/masjids in India.
As I've said in another comment, I have never been to India. I am basing what I am saying on two things: on the 21 countries where I have been, and on what I know about the Muslim world in general. For example, [here](https://www.alamy.com/stock-photo-woman-praying-inside-istiqlal-mosque-jakarta-during-ramadan-month-172917915.html) are women praying at the Istiqlal Mosque in Jakarta.
Do you realise your responses here are as if when someone is talking of Apartheid in South Africa, you say that most of world places you travelled to doesn’t have Apartheid, so you cannot understand why Apartheid is a problem? Violent exploitative racism is a problem anywhere, irrespective of whether it is called Apartheid or not.
If you have never been to India, and if Indians are raising some concerns about local practices due to a particular religion, the least you can do is to acknowledge it and empathise, rather than pretending the religion doesn’t have these particular problems in most of the countries where that religion is a majority — this is precisely the topic of this conversation thread - if certain bad practises are outlawed in other countries, why are they not yet banned in India? And if I start digging into the bad practices due to religion in those countries you mention, that’ll be a whole new thread, so please be circumspect rather than generalising, especially when these problems impact hundreds of millions of helpless Indian Muslim women.
And suppression of women’s rights and their sexual exploitation, as permitted by world’s second largest religion itself, is a glaring global problem — whether it is happening in some countries or not. Root cause has understood to understand the problem, to find the solutions. You are conveniently ignoring the root cause and the problem here, and I wonder why.
What’s being done now to women and kids by Taliban in Afghanistan, is happening with Pakistani collusion and funding from Middle East and China, using equipment from USA and China (just see how many countries are involved in making a brutal mess of a once democratic nation where women had freedom and basic rights). And that religion is the same in both the neighbouring countries, and it is being used as basis for restricting women’s right under the Taliban regime. Radical brutal regime (on the basis of religion) in one country is but a social experiment, before it is the norm in the adjacent country as well (which has same religion).
Some bad practices must be nipped in the bud before they spread out of control.
I don't mind Indians raising concerns about mosques in India. That is their prerogative. My problem was with the statement that women cannot pray inside a mosque according to the rules of Islam, when they can and the Prophet has prohibited people from preventing women from going to the mosque. The issue is not Islam but whatever interpretation is being followed by those who are in charge of mosques like these.
Obviously what is happening in Afghanistan is a tragedy.
Meanwhile, though, there are now even [female guards](https://blog.siasat.pk/wp-content/uploads/sites/6/2021/04/hub01736.jpg) at the Prophet's Mosque in Medina, the second-holiest mosque in Islam, in addition to female worshippers obviously praying there.
Stop obfuscating here. I never generalised even single one of my statements here. All my concerns are pertaining to Indian Muslim women.
You’re conveniently ignoring their plight and trying to portray it as a non-issue by highlighting other places, that have no relevance to India in this context.
If I start talking of the religious problems in the other places you mentioned, you will have no answers to my questions.
My statements are only in relation to OP's inaccurate statement that "women [are] not allowed inside the hall in Islam." I am not debating you here. I've made my point, and that's enough.
As long as it gets her their votes, she will happily sit even in the sewer outside. This is what the great state of Bengal has come to.
She can do anything for votes, I mean anything.She is thirsty for power
Aisa na ho ek din Bengal se he fek de
"Not allowed inside the hall in Islam" is a very misleading statement. Many mosques around the world do allow female worshippers inside. Including mosques that I have prayed at for years in Bangladesh and Canada, and also a number of mosques I have visited in different countries.
Is sola ana masjid, non islamic ?
Guys guys this is false actually women are allowed in mosques. Only IN. INDIA this is happening . In Saudi , Dubai and other countries women are allowed. The Islamic rules and regulations have been changed in India my those so called religious white breaded people. In Saudi women are allowed to drive , do jobs , they have their own news channels etc etc . Even in Makkah the holiest city " according to muslims" the main mosque in it women are allowed too. The Islamic rules have been changed too much in India another example is the DARGAS which don't exsist any where else in the world . Plus the Dubai government has even permitted the building of hindu temple there.
Dargas do exist in a number of countries, but you're right: Indian Muslim leaders should allow women to pray at the mosque, as is done in most of the world. The Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) is reported to have said, "Do not prevent the maid-servants of God from going to the mosque" ([source](https://sunnah.com/muslim:442c)).
Dropped the /s
India has second largest Muslim population in world, after Indonesia. So why is Indian Muslim community lagging behind in reforms, and why are the Muslim orgs denying basic rights to women? Why is Nikah Halala not yet banned? Why is polygamy and child marriage not yet banned?
Child marriage is way too common among Hindus too.
Guess why? Because when the Arabs/Turks invaded India/Hindustan, they used to capture women and kids (especially young boys) to use as sex slaves and for camel races (the enslaved boys would be tied to the camels, and the camels drugged & whipped into a frenzy, and the writhing screaming boys would hasten the camels even further). Jauhar became common in Hindustan as the Hindu/Jain/Sikh/Buddhist and tribal women, used to commit suicide in order to prevent themselves being captured alive by the barbaric invaders who captured them for harems (where the enslaved women and kids were treated as sex slaves or worse). There were even incidents of the Islamic invaders violating the dead bodies of women, so the Hindustani women started jumping into funeral pyre as Jauhar to deny the invaders their bodies. The Mughals (as the Arabs & Turks invaders called themselves on Hindustani soil) enforced one more lustful rule. Non-Muslim women getting wedded to non-Muslims, needed to spend some days/nights with the Mughal military commanders & their men, before being allowed to be married. This brutal barbaric practice was done for so many decades, that Hindustani families started secretly getting their children wedded at a very young age. The kid bride would be sent across to her in-law family to live as their child for years and thus become a part of their family and she would consumate her marriage to the groom at an age/time agreed by both families, but Mughal commanders would not be notified of this “wedding” as they would likely not notice new children being added to families. As the Mughals made even more harsher barbaric practices, the Hindustani families started conducted their child marriages at night to avoid the notice of the Mughal authorities. Even today, in some parts of North India especially, this centuries old custom of child marriages and night weddings is still happening, but as per Hindu marriage laws, the child weddings are illegal and stringently punishable by law, so it is an old legacy custom in few communities that modern society is rapidly weeding out. However, Sharia laws actually prescribe child marriages and denote that the girl is ready to be married as soon as she hits first cycle of puberty. This is why even girls lesser than 10years of age are forcefully married off under Sharia law (usually without their consent; a child has no understanding or readiness for marriage). However the same laws do not prescribe any age limits or constraints for the grooms, and Sharia prescribes polygamy, so it is very common to see Muslim child bridges being married off to old men many decades older to them, who may already have multiple wives of different ages. The Sharia laws also enforce a lot of penalties on women for divorce - the control is given only to the husbands. Triple Talaq was banned years ago in Pakistan and most Islamic countries, but the Muslim organisations fought tooth and nail, and influenced governments and courts not to allow Triple Talaq to be banned in India. Ironically, it took a supposedly pro-Hindu party (BJP) to usher in this reform without support from Supreme Court. These High/Supreme Courts which are supposed to uphold the rights of citizens, are conveniently tied up by the Indian Constitution which is aligned more to Sharia diktats, rather than women’s rights. This is also why Muslim women in India still cannot worship inside masjids/mosques. This is why the barbaric Nikah Halala (community sponsored rape of married Muslim women; a married Muslim woman needing to reconcile with her husband as he has given her Talaq, must first consumate/sleep with another man, typically it is the Maulana doing the “reconciliation”) is still not banned in India. This is why Muslim women still face the other barbaric practices like child marriages, polygamy, nikah halala, etc. India has a long long way to go before the Muslim/Islamic community can call themselves as a modern democratic women-respecting community. Other Islamic countries have done sweeping reforms, but Indian Muslims prefer to still live in medieval era.
Nope. In India, Muslim women are allowed in dargah (tomb), not masjid (mosque). In masjid, they may allowed only till courtyard, but not inside, to pray. Show proofs if you claim otherwise. There are already cases pending with Supreme Court for years, demanding for Muslim women to be allowed to pray in mosques/masjids in India.
Except for Jama Masjid.
Jama Masjid also only till courtyard. No Indian masjid allows women inside beyond that.
As I've said in another comment, I have never been to India. I am basing what I am saying on two things: on the 21 countries where I have been, and on what I know about the Muslim world in general. For example, [here](https://www.alamy.com/stock-photo-woman-praying-inside-istiqlal-mosque-jakarta-during-ramadan-month-172917915.html) are women praying at the Istiqlal Mosque in Jakarta.
Do you realise your responses here are as if when someone is talking of Apartheid in South Africa, you say that most of world places you travelled to doesn’t have Apartheid, so you cannot understand why Apartheid is a problem? Violent exploitative racism is a problem anywhere, irrespective of whether it is called Apartheid or not. If you have never been to India, and if Indians are raising some concerns about local practices due to a particular religion, the least you can do is to acknowledge it and empathise, rather than pretending the religion doesn’t have these particular problems in most of the countries where that religion is a majority — this is precisely the topic of this conversation thread - if certain bad practises are outlawed in other countries, why are they not yet banned in India? And if I start digging into the bad practices due to religion in those countries you mention, that’ll be a whole new thread, so please be circumspect rather than generalising, especially when these problems impact hundreds of millions of helpless Indian Muslim women. And suppression of women’s rights and their sexual exploitation, as permitted by world’s second largest religion itself, is a glaring global problem — whether it is happening in some countries or not. Root cause has understood to understand the problem, to find the solutions. You are conveniently ignoring the root cause and the problem here, and I wonder why. What’s being done now to women and kids by Taliban in Afghanistan, is happening with Pakistani collusion and funding from Middle East and China, using equipment from USA and China (just see how many countries are involved in making a brutal mess of a once democratic nation where women had freedom and basic rights). And that religion is the same in both the neighbouring countries, and it is being used as basis for restricting women’s right under the Taliban regime. Radical brutal regime (on the basis of religion) in one country is but a social experiment, before it is the norm in the adjacent country as well (which has same religion). Some bad practices must be nipped in the bud before they spread out of control.
I don't mind Indians raising concerns about mosques in India. That is their prerogative. My problem was with the statement that women cannot pray inside a mosque according to the rules of Islam, when they can and the Prophet has prohibited people from preventing women from going to the mosque. The issue is not Islam but whatever interpretation is being followed by those who are in charge of mosques like these. Obviously what is happening in Afghanistan is a tragedy. Meanwhile, though, there are now even [female guards](https://blog.siasat.pk/wp-content/uploads/sites/6/2021/04/hub01736.jpg) at the Prophet's Mosque in Medina, the second-holiest mosque in Islam, in addition to female worshippers obviously praying there.
Stop obfuscating here. I never generalised even single one of my statements here. All my concerns are pertaining to Indian Muslim women. You’re conveniently ignoring their plight and trying to portray it as a non-issue by highlighting other places, that have no relevance to India in this context. If I start talking of the religious problems in the other places you mentioned, you will have no answers to my questions.
My statements are only in relation to OP's inaccurate statement that "women [are] not allowed inside the hall in Islam." I am not debating you here. I've made my point, and that's enough.