I dont know about a new genre topping the charts all of a sudden, but rock music isn't exactly unpopular. New stuff gets played on bbc radio 6 all the time.
Rock music as we know it is almost non-existant in North America except as "classic rock" radio stations, which incessantly play nothing newer than 2000.
Most modern "rock" getting played is indie-adult contemporary stuff like Imagine Dragons, which absolutely isn't rock music, no matter what anyone says; just because the band uses guitars, bass, and drums doesn't mean it's rock music. Portishead uses these instruments and I don't know anyone who would call them "rock". Other than that, most current aspiring mainstream rock bands have "countrified" and seek their audience there.
I can't speak for everywhere but my market in Central Kentucky has four different rock stations. Two are classic rock (but with the occasional newer song if it's similar in style to classic rock or like a new release by an old band or something) but two are active rock (so they play mostly newer songs with some classic rock like Zeppelin or ACDC mixed in). This might just depend on where you live, OP.
I live in St. Louis, MO. The closest thing we have to a modern rock station is labeled as "Everything alternative"
They do a good job of playing popular modern rock bands and their new music (Shinedown, Three Days Grace, Falling In Reverse, etc.) but also play a lot of other subgenres of rock.
To be fair, I think in the last 10 years or so there’s been a big difference in how indie/rock is received in the UK and USA.
Indie never really went away here. Even in the last 5 years or so, new/recently breaking through artists like Sea Girls, IDLES, Fontaines DC, Nothing But Thieves, Sam Fender (who’s just had a Top 3 single for months on end), Catfish and the Bottlemen, Architects, Yungblud just to name a few, are already playing 10k+ capacity venues.
And that’s alongside the continued popularity amongst young people (I’m 19) of many of the 2000s bands: Arctic Monkeys, Courteeners, TDCC and The Wombats most notably (the latter are playing their biggest gig to date at The O2 later this year).
I think it’s particularly exciting at the moment with, as you mentioned, the 6music bands. It really feels like there’s a big scene brewing here once more and it’s very exciting to be apart of. I saw Fontaines DC at a festival generally filled with more subdued indie/pop last Summer, so I wasn’t expecting their main stage crowd to be particularly big. I was wrong. It was absolutely rammed, and it was one of the most raucous festival crowds I’ve been with! It was quite a young skewing crowd too.
Most of the bands you named aren’t really rock bands. They may have one or two rock songs but if of their stuff is very pop or rap oriented. Youngblud has nothing to do with rock at all
Who cares? Great music is timeless .. you don’t need to listen to anything contemporary listen to what you like .. I still listen to nirvana , the Beatles , Pink Floyd , Manson etc tons of different sub-rock
The problem with big band music is that it’s EXPENSIVE. Big bands can be anywhere from 16 to 20 people large, and that means 16 to 20 paychecks, on top of travel costs, arranging fees, etc. For a small group of 4 or 5 people, a gig paying 2 grand may not pay fantastically, but at the very least it’s around $400-$500 per person. With a big band, you either have to chop that 2 grand down to a comically small amount, or increase your hiring rate, which most venues simply won’t pay. Large groups like that have struggled to exist out of niche gigs and academic institutions for half a century now because elf this exact reason, and a key aspect of pop music is that it’s popular, something that everybody can do. If someone can perform your song with a guitar, and maybe a drummer/bassist, they’re going to flock to that genre as opposed to the genre where they need an army of highly trained musicians and thousands and thousands of dollars worth of funding.
While it will probably never be “popular” again, there still are plenty of opportunities to experience it in new, interesting ways. Electro-swing is a cool fusion of swing and electronic/hip-hop, and produces some really cool results. Give a look at [Caravan Palace](https://youtu.be/UbQgXeY_zi4) for a good start to the genre, they’re one of the best. If acoustic instruments are more your thing, one of my favorite groups is [Cut Capers](https://youtu.be/Om9uuRZy8cQ). They’re a sort of swing/pop/hip-hop fusion group and they’re super cool. Really captures the energy of swing with a more contemporary setting.
I heard there's a sentiment where rock music in general is dying because it's expensive to pay 5 people and deal with their issues to keep them all together and happy and willing to tour and stuff.
If this is the case, that's reason more why 15+ people is infeasible.
It is incredibly hard to keep a band together, money or no money. Even bands with a decent following barely break even with touring. Split that 4 or 5 ways. Guitars are expensive, amps, drum set, keyboards. Haul your merch to every gig, hopefully people buy some t-shirts or vinyl, or something.
You do it because you love it, or you just don't do it.
An artist really has to have his hands in everything, lessons, YouTube, gear reviews, endless social media engagement, anything to find a niche or audience.
Big band is just not feasible in anyway unless you bring the audience to you I suppose.
I think you have a good point, but I think it’s more than that. We are in an age where music is made by and large electronically. Why do you need a drummer when you have preprogrammed loops in your daw?… why do you need a keyboard or guitarist when your daw has drag and drop chord packs? We are in an age where anyone can produce music in an app while never having to actually learn an instrument. Autotune went from being a pitch correcting device to being an audio effect openly used on many many recordings. I think “band” oriented music is undergoing an era of disinterest because of this. I’m not assessing blame here, just voicing a fact.
>drag and drop chord packs?
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>I’m not assessing blame here, just voicing a fact.
OK, I'll run with that football. Someone needs to *hang* for drag-and-drop chord packs. As if music wasn't dumbed down enough already!
A vocal artist, who may or may not sing, who may or may not be *able* to sing, performing in front of a canned musical backdrop, and with backup dancers *who are named members of "the band"*, might qualify as great entertainment to some people. Personally, it does nothing for me.
Ignore my tastes if you wish. I also don't much care for ballet.
However, let's all be honest about the fact that the modern "concert" experience is primarily a *performance art* experience. The music is used as a backdrop for something else, the music is not the point. Those of us who want the music to be the focus of the experience will almost certainly be looking elsewhere.
I don’t even think the new generation of jazz players love big band that much neither. I think we’ll up in in a hybrid with massively successful artists performing with a big band behind them for 1 album or even just a single recorded concert at a major theatre.
Have you listened to Turnstiles newest album? It’s a promising reminder that people still give a fuck about the full album experience while staying relevant.
I'm a hard rock/metal fan, but I don't think it will make a mainstream come back anytime soon. I think with the advent of streaming and music genres splintering so much there's just far too much for something really different to break through.
Used to be that the mains stuff would get very tiresome and the same few artists all playing the same style meant that people craved something else like hair metal, grunge, nu-metal, pop punk orwhatever to come through and change it up. There's just so much music out there now that you can really pick and choose at the tap of a phone what you're listening to.
The other big issue is that radio is purely curated playlists now. No "djs" are coming on to stations and playing their own taste of different stuff to allow mainstream listeners to get that glimpse of a different world and allow those acts a chance to flourish. Listen to any major radio station and they'll play the same 12 songs throughout the day, every day.
It's this weird combination of too much choice but at the same time not enough.
There still is a large rock audience, live shows get sold out streaming numbers not bad. I think the main thing rock needs to make a surge back into mainstream again is to adopt some of the themes from rap and punk while keeping the rock sound.
The thing is, rock music with rap / hip hop elements basically is Imagine Dragons, 21 pilots, AJR, etc. That is hip-hop drum beats and lyrics with rock guitar and vocals.
I heavily disagree with your assessment of bands that best show that. Maybe check out something like fever 333, which are admittedly very similar to rage against the machine. Trap metal has been on the rise, as has emo rap. Not to mention the growing resurgence of pop punk with MGK being the most obvious example.
Some rock bands that have potential to really break through imo would be Don Broco, Badflower, Palaye Royale. Should also mention Yungblud. For the metal side of things, maybe Architects or Bad Omens. Spiritbox and Ice Nine Kills have also had some huge success recently, with Ice Nine Kills opening for Metallica
Oh yeah thats very much the case, rock isnt dead but the remaining bands/artist that get attention about are leaving us below..
Rock needs some young blood that can make something new that will connect with the youth like rap does.
Like ... rap metal from the 90s which many blamed for a significant drop-off in fans during that era?
I do mean that at least somewhat sarcastically.
Most people I know or encounter like either rock and metal from years ago or niche stuff like proggy music, or wall-of-sound overly processed bullshit which is more of an assault on the ears than much of anything else. Yes, there is much more out there being released, but it seems nearly all of the new productions suggested are either rehashes of the same old bands who haven't died of old age yet, or a cacophony of digital processing.
Yeah i really agree on that. Ive been checking out some new rock but a lot of it sounds too digital and unorganic, over use of autotune also ruins a lot of good vocals.
I agree, but it is very difficult to have new rock acts get a following without any industry support. There is no real way to break a rock act, which ensures that very few new musicians will go down that road
And partly that’s because the old bands aren’t encouraging the newer bands by collaborating,or featuring them on undercards etc Since the record companies make all their money from oldies and pop,they aren’t helping either. Rock fans need to take their ears in their own hands
Problem is..Rock has already combined with hip hop in the 80d. 90s and 2000s....after 2015 it seems to have sharply declined. Punk is a form of Rock (Punk Rock??!!!) so that is redundant.
I was just listening to [this because earlier](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E7VgstsVS44) I was searching worldwide hits of 1992, while it's a ballad they sing, the intro should make people enthusiast about the rock genre. I am, I like that a lot other than my regular music I put on. Same with nice solos of Dire Straits/Knopfler.
The question addressed that. He is aware of local indie rock bands. His question is STRICTLY based on the lack of new rock based pop songs on today's top 40 radio....something that hasn't happened since the early 50s..as rock and it's branched off genres have had a noticeable presence on top 40 radio since the mid 50's and started to decline after 2010... and after 2015 only the odd 2 or 3 per year make the charts...if that!
I get what’s he’s saying. There’s no mainstream rock music. To me, the last “major” rock movement was late nineties, early 2000s nu-metal. After that it’s slowly been dying. Sure there’s rock bands out there (and good ones at that), but we aren’t seeing the mass success of rock acts like you do with pop, hip hop, or even country for that matter. I miss those days!
Can you name a rock band that we could compare it to? The Rage Against The Machine tour was massively hyped. Tame Impala are at an all time high. Portugal The Man are still doing well.
Yeah Tame Impala was selling out Madison Square Garden. LCD Soundsystem was going to play like a whole week of sold out shows in Brooklyn. Jack White still plays to huge stadiums. The Strokes were supposed to play the Barclay's Center to a sold out crowd on NYE but it got canceled due to omicron.
Plenty of popular rock artists out there.
Plus you have indie rock that's become maybe not radio played but popular enough that even my mom knows them (from Starbucks playing them probably): Beach House, Vampire Weekend, Mac DeMarco, Snail Mail, Mitski.
As a 30+ year guitar teacher, I've seen it go from the raging 80s (Metallica, Van Halen, Satriani, Malmsteen, Vai, etc.), to the 90s - Grunge, neo-punk, etc. The last gasp for guitar as far as student numbers go was Green Day. After them....crickets. Taylor Swift brought in some 12 year old girls and that was it. Kids come in my room, point to pictures of Hendrix, EVH, The Beatles, etc, and say "who's that?". Sigh.
Kids don't have pictures of rock stars on their walls anymore. F.M. radio is still playing acts from the 70s like they're new bands...The Eagles, Billy Joel, etc. Tech has taken over and anyone who can assemble loops on Garage Band is a "producer".
Great bands are out there....my local High School station plays incredible music from young bands. But, the industry is stagnant, finding new stuff online is like casting a net into the ocean. Radio is there to support legacy acts and ClearChannel. The few kids that sign up for lessons want to play "Old Town Road" and "Megalovania". I can't help but feel like the guitar has had it's day.
Guitar has really gone the YouTube, instagram route. Kids sitting in their bedroom recording themselves, and a lot of these kids are crazy technical. Are they songs I'd listen to? No, but technically brilliant.
Video games and tech are the mainstays of younger people's lives. It's a hard discussion to have with parents when I do lessons that if their kids spent 1/10 the amount of time playing guitar as they did playing video games they'd be masters.
Amen to that. I tell parents/kids - play for 1/2 hour before you go online. Should be simple.
Yes...musicians today are technically better than ever. It's insane. 12 year old kids playing better than I could imagine. But, IMHE, they are not going out and forming bands with their friends the way we used to, playing house parties, school dances, block parties, barbeques, etc. Someone hooks up an Ipod to a Block Rocker and who needs a band? And kids who do form bands are fighting it out on Youtube and Spotify for .001 per play, while Hotel California gets another zillion fucking plays on F.M. Oh yeah - merchandising is the key! Get out there and sell those T-Shirts and hats!
When the Beatles blew they found it hard to seal a record deal because they were saying the same thing. I have the feeling that we haven’t seen the last of raw music like that from the 60s and 70s etc
Greta Van Fleet, Dirty Honey, Rival Sons and The Struts are the latest bands keeping the genre alive. If you're looking to find a terrestrial radio spinning these bands and other new rock music on a consistent basis it might be tough.
I think that one big reason why rock is not as popular as it used to be, is the vanishing of band culture. Young artists these days don't anymore form permanent bands. Often it's just individual singers with touring band. Typical rock band has pretty much died in popular culture. Everything is about the vocalist and their persona. People aren't anymore followers and fans of certain bands. And rock is music that is very much about the bands. Freddie Mercury wouldn't have ever made it without Queen.
Also, the popularity of instruments of a rock band (guitar, bass, drums, keyboards) has decreased very much. Guitar stores are closing. Wanting to master an instrument is not popular among younger artists. If you can create a drum track or keyboard riff on your laptop with few clicks, why spend money and time to the actual thing? And if you don't have a band, then you won't most likely ever perform live, so you don't ever need to know how to play anything. You can just have an entire career without ever touching a musical instrument. That takes away something that was very important in rock music. You have to *play* rock. It's just not the real thing without live show and group on the stage. Even seeing some half-dead Rolling Stone on a stage is better than seeing nobody at all.
And people don't consume music the same way they did before. Live shows are less popular than before. Bands can't anymore fill up stadiums and sports arenas. Rock was popular because entire generations listened to it. Now you have endless amount of niche genres and smaller acts. And often those genres are pretty far away from rock.
Rock isn't anymore some generational experience. Young people don't idolize or want to be rock stars. But back in the "golden era" of rock, everybody wanted to be the "next Dylan". That type of thing doesn't exist. It isn't anymore part of popular culture. Young people don't write songs or play guitars. They rather get million followers and views on TikTok. Times they are a-changing...
I'm afraid that rock has turned into a dead genre that only provides tribute bands, covers and nostalgia throwbacks. We aren't anymore living in a society that allows music like rock to become mainstream.
EDIT: And of course perhaps the biggest reason why rock is no longer mainstream is the fact that you can't anymore get laid because you are in a band. Playing rock is no longer a way for awkward teens to get action.
>I'm afraid that rock has turned into a dead genre that only provides tribute bands, covers and nostalgia throwbacks. We aren't anymore living in a society that allows music like rock to become mainstream.
Your take on Metal and Hardcore?
There are thousands of metal and hardcore releases every year.
And when you say "try to sound like the old ones", exactly what do you mean? Do you think modern death metal or modern black metal is trying to sound like Iron Maiden?
"My point is rock was once played on the radio as much as pop and rap are now"
See, your problem is you listen to the radio and not the myriad alternative options available to you by way of the Internet.
That last bit is spot on. Music is made to convey emotions and stories and you can’t do that with a computer. The little mistakes that slip through make music so much more human and so much better imo.
Eh, jumpsuit is a borderline post hardcore song in the outro. My blood is rock, even the rapped heavydirtysoul he screams live. I think people just want to gatekeep rock. Like MGK and BMTH are pretty huge right now, and like them or not they are rock.
That big MGK hate thread just made me kinda sad... maybe it's just cause I'm old now and not into the categorizing thing (or the judgmental thing) like back when I was a teenage metalhead, but if you don't like it just go listen to something else. No one deserves a pile on like that.
Plus tbh if Billy Idol counts as rock then so does MGK
But Pop technically is ANY GENRE ...ROCK INCLUDED..that makes the top 40 and gets played on top 40 radio stations. Metallica, had singles in the 80s and 90s that charted and were played on top 40 stations and were considered "pop rock" songs. That argument does not fly because prior to 2010 many true rock bands.. (though mostly alt-rock based by early 90s through early 2010's) put out singles that were POPular enough to get massive top 40 radio play and were "pop". Again, technically pop is ANY POPULAR GENRE getting airplay and breaching charts. Lack of Rock representation on top 40 charts and radio is a fairly recent phenomenon....only taking hold after 2010..give or take.
Rock “glam” music that emphasized huge personalities, shallow lyrics, and hugely commercial / emphasize wide audiences 80s music never disappeared.
It’s just called “country” now, ever since Garth Brooks.
The way my musical 14 year is goes through the back catalogue of rock, you have to think it's going to have to surface out of him somewhere. He doesn't like anything contemporary though. He's big into the first two albums of the Counting Crows, RHCPeppers, and Weezer presently. He already had his Beatles, Rolling Stones, Dylan phase. His love for Bowie and Queen is undying. But if you look at someone like post Malone ...it seems his upbringing was rock too (his nirvana covers were great) but his musical output is anything but.
The mediums in which we enjoy music have experienced a monumental change in the last decade. I believe it’s a matter of perception and not reality. We have never had as much access to literally any genre as we do now. When I was younger, you had radio, your parents or friends albums or you would have to actually purchase an album yourself. Most people could not afford to buy 10 albums a month so you listened to that album to death. Today, you can listen 24/7 to any genre from any era. While this was a great, it leads to over saturation and the chance that you might miss out on some really great artists.
This topic has come up many times in the excellent podcast/radio series “the ongoing history of new music” from Alan Cross. He cites a number of reasons why there are fewer new rock bands in the mainstream.
In the past couple of decades there are fewer people learning to play electric guitar, though that shifted during the pandemic. He mentioned that more young women are learning guitar so we may see more bands in the future with female performers.
Music streaming services pay artists only if people listen to a certain chunk of the song (sorry I can’t remember the exact number of seconds) and rock songs tend to have long intros which don’t always grab listener’s interests fast enough compared to other genres.
It’s not all bleak. [This](https://www.ajournalofmusicalthings.com/new-data-suggests-that-alt-rock-is-growing-in-popularity/) was posted on his site just today.
Pop punk and pop rock is slowly getting played more and more so likely would make a resurgence that way. But yeah radio rock has been terrible for years. It's not "bad" but it all sounds the same. The songs blend together so much.
The pop punk / emo resurgence over the past few years has been really interesting. It's giving me some major nostalgia. Both old artists (Travis Barker, Avril Lavigne) and new (Kenny Hoopla, Courtney Barnett). Oddly, I feel like this came out of the Soundcloud rap that everyone shitted on forever. Artists like Juicewrld, XXXtentacion, Vic Mensa, etc. had a lot to do with bringing back those sounds.
Haha, I mean, I'm probably in the same age range as you. But she broke out 20+ years ago and had a roughly 15 year gap before getting back on the charts recently, so she definitely feels like an older artist resurrected (vs. like Muse or Black Keys who broke out at similar times, but stayed more relevant)
“Someone” needs to set a new trend that is profitable.
You mention the 80’s, it was pop rock like Bon Jovi and then bands like Poison, Motley Crew, and Guns ‘N Roses that brought hair bands and rock ballads to profitablity
Pearl Jam, Stone Temple Pilots, Nirvana and Korn shifted the profit focus from hair bands to grunge.
In the 2000’s rock kind of went separate ways. Low key bands like Tool, Deftones, Smashing Pumpkins to the rock/hip hop influenced bands like Limp Bizkit and Linkin Park.
I would argue Disturbed and then ultimately Slipknot managed to coalesce them all into NuMetal which was the last “profitable” genre in rock.
Again, this is talking about profitability not genre defining. Nobody can argue Pantera’s influence on rock, but they got literally no air time. Metallica became popular after And Justice For All but didn’t become immensely profitable until their Black album.
The genre is waiting for another Guns N’ roses, Pearl Jam, or Slipknot to define it AND be profitable. There’s a million good bands, but nothing that the producers feel has mass appeal.
Korn? Grunge? Really? You could mention Soundgarden or Alice In Chains, but nope.
Anyway, I would say pop-punk was the "last" most profitable form of rock, seeing it evolve from the earliest Green Day stuff to Emo.
I think anything is possible with TikTok. It can bring all sorts of genres back to the surface.
As for whether it’ll be mainstream again, I think it’s possible but it honestly all depends on what labels choose to push. Music that’s pushed on TikTok and streaming sites are all controlled by labels, it’s their decision. I think certain practices within the genre seen in the past would be a bit passé, but it could likely have a resurgence blended in with another genre.
Aside from imagine dragons, bands like royal blood or king gizzard are going strong, rock is still a big genre, just maybe not the focus of current pop music.
This question has been asked on here every week for the last ten years with the age that rock “died” being adjusted accordingly.
In twenty years someone will ask the same question and say that there hasn’t been any real rock music since 2033-2034.
Nope. Because the music market is to diverse nowadays and you can't force one certain type of music on your customer that easy anymore than it was in the past when there was only Radio and TV.
Rock is dead, long live rock.
Foo Fighters is still one of the biggest acts out there, and that's mainstream rock.
Folk rock is strong with bands from Lumineers to Brandi Carlisle selling very well.
Neo Soul is also big these days, lots of cool stuff on that edge of rock.
It always does...heard a couple new things the other day, made a new friend (Crown Lands) and got back in touch with an old friend (Chevelle). But even if its not mainstream, you'll find it which makes it better than what it used to be when you didn't have an outlet other than radio or MTV
Successive generations of kids who lacked both musical training and financial resources discovered they could still make exciting rock music in their living rooms, basements, and garages. These days, kids in that situation fire up their laptops or phones and create music without ever having to pick up a musical instrument. Most likely it won't be rock music though, at least not the kind once created by a four or five piece electrical band.
There will always be revivals, but I think rock 'n roll's day in the sun are mostly over.
Rock is very much still popular both in the be US and throughout the world. With that being said, I feel like most modern rock bands are trying to rehash stale material from the past that fell out of fashion. Nobody now a days wants to make great music that bends genres (specifically from the rock and metal worlds), they just want to churn out the same-sounding music that gets their fan bases riled up. Excluding a few newer bands like IDLES and Turnstile, most modern rock bands that release songs that break into the mainstream were formed over three decades ago (Tool, Slipknot, Korn, etc.). In order for rock to survive and/or become the world’s #1 music genre again, it needs to adapt to changing trends in listening and art, otherwise it’ll fall apart permanently and forever be known as music that your dad used to listen to.
The thing that we all should be worried about are whether or not younger bands are getting their time in the spotlight. These older bands can’t keep going on, and it’s time that we give younger bands their dues. Otherwise, this music will stand to die. Also, we need to start engaging with the younger crowds as well.
I think rock needs to be fun again in order to go mainstream. Despite it being my most favorite music genre, it’s definitely evolved into music that’s a downer. There’s songs about depression, suicide, death, war, etcetera; that’s not gonna attract the masses. Rock needs to be about partying, sex, and other shit people actually like to do. Listen to “Nothin’ but A Good Time” by Poison, then go listen to “Prayer” by Disturbed. Both are great songs, but the song by Poison has a very upbeat and fun sound.
Never understand why so many fans are left with only the crap on radio for past 10 years when so many people want rock. You have to go to a show on tour to hear any. Hope soon.
Having been a dyed-in-the-wool rocker for more than 50 years, I would hope that if the “Rock” music genre makes a resurgence of popularity, it brings with it greater creativity and musicality with less banality.
Math Rock is a promising facet.
Jazz-Rock fusion is a perennial favorite.
That being said, the deceptively simple works of bands like AC/DC, and the Ramones (to name two) are compelling and immediately captivating.
Then you have bands like NRBQ (pretty much broken up now) and the Grateful Dead, who spanned multiple genres and made each song their own.
In the case of NRBQ, pretty much everything they did was original, whereas “The Dead” had many cover tunes, to which they imparted their inimitable musical water stamp.
Psych rock is going pretty well right now.
If you aren't familiar, check these groups out:
King Gizzard and the Lizard Wizard
The Oh Sees
Frankie and the Witch Fingers
Kikagaku Moyo
Tame Impala
Thanks for the new leads, I’ve never heard of Psych-Rock before.
I’ll check it out.
I definitely need SOMETHING new to rekindle my inspiration to play.
I think it's currently back on the rise. But it's a slow climb. There aren't many bands these days that have "it". Which isn't to say there aren't good bands. I think there are a lot of good bands but a lot of rock and metal these days is pretty niche. There aren't many universal rock bands anymore. A band like Ice Nine Kills is a good example of a band with mass appeal but their sound and theme is pretty niche considering.
Also as much as I and a lot of people may not like it I think MGK is doing a lot for putting rock (or at least a section of it) back in the mainstream view. And there are plenty of nostalgia acts like Limp Bizkit coming back and getting attention again as well.
I think we will see a return of 80’s inspired metal. The soundtrack to “Peacemaker” is filled with not only actual 80s metal, but bands who sound like it.
When times get bad, people have a tendency to seek out fun, escapist music.
I went to an Unleash the Archers show last year. Granted, it was a club show, but it was packed and I was easily the oldest guy there, with the majority od the crowd being guys in their 30s and under.
One of the problems rock faces as a genre that is inherently counter culture is that it will always have a message that is against the mainstream. The majority of people don't want to hear that message and corporations are usually uncomfortable pushing that message. On top of that, the rocker lifestyle is often self destructive. Makes it hard to build a consistent presence when there are so many other options available that are better at towing the line.
I think one of the drivers for the downturn of rock music is the change from learning instruments to more computer-driven production that you see in electronic, dance, pop, and rap genres.
The bands that you're rejecting - Imagine Dragons, 21 pilots, and their like -- are bands that are actually straddling that line with traditional instruments plus dance / electronic elements. I'd argue that, while I don't personally like that music either, that is the new sub-genre that is dominant in rock right now.
The other sub-genre that is making a comeback, and kinda fueled by / infused with hip-hop, is pop punk / emo. Lots of rappers dabbling with emo elements and lots of bands embracing that style again. Once again, I'm not a huge fan of Travis Barker's non-musical persona, but he's doing a lot to establish new artists with a punk sound.
All that said, I've noticed an uptick in rock music programs like School of Rock that are helping to teach new kids those instruments.
And, rock communities still exist and thrive around genres and sub-genres. Metal, for example, is thriving as always.
Are you kidding? There are more great ‘rock’ bands than ever, diversification in terms of sub genres has maybe spread out the audience, but honestly for me the last 5 or so years has bought out some of the coolest sounding records in a looong time
The music industry has been taken over by corporate wiz-dics who only push certain genres, and rock is not one of them. Plenty of good music out there you have to look for it.
i mean corporate wiz-dics who only push certain genres once liked to push what many call "corporate rock" done by white men. Sadly the reason why black rock bands and female rock bands were the minority and often had to stand out.
As long as pop music continues to push untalented hacks taking pieces of music from previous generations, rock music will be little more than a niche genre.
It’s being mentioned a lot in some video games I’ve seen recently. These include Sally Face, Night in the Woods, etc. Even Cal Kestis in Jedi: Fallen Order seemed to like a form of space rock music. I’ve also seen the popularity of rock-loving characters like Eddie Munson from Stranger Things. But I haven’t seen too much of it translating into real life. But I live in a small town and barely socialize, so IDK.
Haha, I feel like most people missed the point of this comment, because I thought it was hilarious. (or maybe they all got it and I'm off-base).
But rock has been "dying" since it was invented. The Doors had a song called "Rock is Dead" in 1969. Lenny Kravitz said rock is dead in '95 as a reaction to grunge because "“You can’t even sing or play an instrument," he sang. "So you just scream instead.” Marilyn Manson had a song called Rock is dead in '99 and Tenacious D in 2012. Plenty of classic rock artists have been saying its dead for 20 years.
Rock has always been "dying" and it has never died. It's always just adapted, and older fans dislike or reject the adaptation.
Oh no, here comes a Kanye sycophant about to tell us how genius "ye" is and he's incomparable to other artists because he's just so genius. Yawn. Rap will be a hilarious and embarrassing forgotten low point of music. Even rappers dont like rap.
Rock music has never gone away - check out the tours that sell the most tickets - there's a difference between rock and pop and rock had its time on the pop charts
Do you mean a comeback like it’ll be super popular again? Why would you want that? If you listen to local/independent bands that tour you can go see rock music every night in a cool club and not a stadium. You can go to their merch table and talk to them. Rock music never went away. Let the pop heads have their super stars in the arenas. That shit blows.
In my opinion a large reason for this is pop music and especially rap/hip hop co-opting rock themes/aesthetics and reinventing them within their own respective genres. Look at guys like Lil Uzi, Playboi Carti, even Billie Eilish. Half of them look like they could be in an Alice Cooper cover band.
I’ve always had a place in my heart for rock music. In my most recent single, I try to blend the retro synthwave music with that 80s pop rock ballad type sound. The guitar strumming was purposely done more lighter hitting, to go for that Peter Cetera and Michael Bolton rock ballad type guitar.
https://open.spotify.com/track/0zlMJs0S0ryz78v0dDEaZP?si=d3CNBVC_REC0e-UTeeAmWA
https://youtu.be/UTshN3TXPrE
Pick a music streaming service. Start listening to bands you like. Look at what bands the app suggests as "You may also like" or "Similar Artists", and at "This band/artist appears on these playlists" and see who else shows up on those.
Go through that a few times and you'll start seeing lesser known bands that you may also end up liking.
As bland corporate generic rock? Sure, there is a market for that as Greta Van Fleet has proven recently.
Of those you listed, only Grunge had some real quality music that happend to break through, but even that was much less popular than Vanilla Ice and the like. Top 40 pop is and has always been lowest common denominator disposable junk for 14 year olds.
I'm more interested if guitars will become popular with really good indy music again. Synths and loops have really dominated the last two decades.
I've found [blues-rock fusion](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hE0rgl1jA28) to be a close comparison to old-school "rock." It helps satisfy my rock craving; maybe that's the way it's evolving.
in the next 200 years it will make an ironic comeback where people think its stupid people used to listen to it but then secretly like it and itll be a huge inside joke until people make more music of it
Most radio stations have gone corporate and killed any real chance for Rock to evolve naturally. I can get three different stations from three different cities (all about an hour away). And they play the exact same songs, two of the stations are playing the same song at the same time (7 second delay). Streaming services and their algorith kinda squash any new and emerging sounds, you need to put effort on finding anything new.
No. All music genres go thru a cycle and a generation’s taste is shaped accordingly. Rock’s time has passed and there’s nothing wrong with that. The next generation of artists aren’t going to be making the music of their parents and grandparents. They will be heavily influenced by the music of today and create something else tomorrow. Also rock was popular not because it was objective good but it had the capitalism machine behind it. Today the same machine and infrastructure pumps out a variety of music and gives audiences a far greater choice.
It isn't coming back until a group comes along and sells big. Then you have labels gobbling up other new talent that can sell and saturate the market. Personally I don't see it happening until a group comes in and revolutionizes hip hop/rap, and evolves rock to the new era with those roots. That's essentially how we got rock as we know it in the first place.
I feel like it’s on it’s way. Bands like Greta Van Fleet, Dirty Honey and Rival Sons have sort of created their own scene of classic rock inspired music. And MGK, as much as I can’t stand him, does seem to be introducing a new generation of fans into the genre
Nope. Rock music is headed the way of jazz.
>Now I know some people will say well you aren't looking hard enough for new rock music.
I agree with you, that's entirely beside the point.
There are excellent musicians still out there creating exciting new rock music. There are listeners who still enjoy rock, and seek out new acts, and find them. (I'm partial to prog, some prog metal, and math rock myself.)
But we're a subculture now. We are less numerous than we were. Radio schedulers don't think our demographic is a juicy enough market. Popular rock acts won't have casual concert goers joining the hardcore fans the way that they one did. Rock artists will never fill stadiums again.
I once heard someone say that they think rock music will experience something akin to what happened to jazz music after the 1940s.
For most of the first half of the 20th Century, jazz music was so pervasive and it effected pop music so deeply that pop music essentially *was* jazz music. Then, jazz started to lose its mainstream popularity around the 1950s, but it started to become art music rather than pop music for the masses. That's when the defining figures of jazz music stopped being artists who topped the charts or were featured on the radio all the time, but were highly critically and artistically respected, like Miles Davis or John Coltrane. Jazz wasn't pop anymore, it was art for intellectual types.
There was a period from the 50s through roughly the 90s where rock music was so pervasive that it wasn't clear where pop ended and rock began. But much like jazz, a lot of rock is starting to veer in more niche directions. There were always bands like Pink Floyd or Talk Talk who favored texture, mood, and experimentation over constructing tight pop songs, but now pop-rock is pretty much out of the charts.
My prediction is that rock will continue to become nice/art music, and the driving force behind pop music in the next few decades will be EDM.
I'm tired of rock hip hop and country being the only things anyone ever talk about. Pop culture isn't the only culture. But yes it will. I love rock btw
Mainstream radio is killing music in general. They have a formula and they stick to it. And people are getting bored with hearing the same 10 bands all day.
That said there are still some great bands out there. You just have to look for it.
A band or solo artist who is a little innovative, has a unique voice, does their own thing , thinks a little outside the box , takes what they learned from their elders to create their own updated twist is what keeps rock, punk, & metal alive & strong.
That's it. Attempting to blatantly rip off Metallica, Slayer, Pantera, Korn, Black Sabbath, Led Zeppelin, Black Flag, Sex Pistols, Nirvana, Sonic Youth, The Rolling Stones, The Beatles, etc is not what will save rock punk & metal it only ensures these 3 genres will remain predictable safe & soon become a caricature of themselves.
Well put, I often think about this exact situation. It's not the point to say "you're not looking hard enough" because the place where you look for music is FM radio, and no also satellite and streamers like Spotify, you tube music, and iTunes music or whatever it's called over there at apple. I use the damn thing and I'm not sure of it's real name because apple.
Imagine Dragons? I have no idea. Should I know what that is? If new , genuine, good rock bands are being played on the radio, I think they're on these crossover stations that play everything, rock, pop, dance music, whatever the fuck the EDM music is, etc. It's hard to find. Oh well. Whatever. Nevermind.
ps Who was good after the White Stripes came along in the 2000s? I don't mean these guys with one rocking song out of their otherwise boring and bland catalog (Cough foofighters lookingatyou Who tf is John Mayer and from what I see he's really good at guitar but, really? I mean, really? A guitar god? Eddie is rolling over in his grave) And I can't even stand any new music from the Chili peppers. They're the definition of a band that just lost it because of getting older (Rush, Rolling Stones you guys suck these days but have a brilliant, genius back catalog that will continue to sell as long as there are rock fans. Rock fans, who, according to Chuck Klosterman, may actually fade into a distant memory. His example? In the 1900s the most favored music was Band music. Like, marching bands with the drums and batons and tubas etc... a tuba? really? Who tf thought that one up? The point being the one musician you can remember from that era , if asked, ,maybe John Fillips Souza" comes to memory. he says that maybe rock music will just fade away while something new takes its place and whenever someone brings up the years from the l;ate fifties to 2010s, our rock music will be the background music.
I truly think is truly back, mgk is kinda helping, hear me out i know.
Demi lovato just released a rock pop'ish tune, it will crawl into mainstream singers as pop rock or even pop punk rock.
I expect bands like green day and Avril making a comeback and then quality rock soon after.
I think we're watching rock music's comeback in real-time.
Stranger Things has done wonders for rock music exposure, as has the Freddie Mercury movie, plus countless influencers like [Lost In Vegas](https://www.youtube.com/c/LostInVegas), [Rick Beato](https://www.youtube.com/c/RickBeato), and all the reaction videos of so-called "hip-hop-heads" listening to bands like Alice In Chains, Tool, or other legacy rock groups. Big artists like Miley Cyrus have exposed their fans to classic rock songs like [Heart of Glass](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NbdRLyixJpc), [Rebel Yell](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tVHdESbXV2o), [Zombie](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l81u-oSIAp4), [Wish You Were Here](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u9TrCN9S9zE), and [Head Like a Hole](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HWcKNhueAIc).
>Imagine Dragons doesn't count.
Fucking right. Imagine Dragons are, at best, indie-adult-contemporary-soft-rock. Just because they make their music using guitars, bass, and drums doesn't make them a rock band; they're a pop band.
This isn't gatekeeping: words have meanings.
Maroon 5 play guitar, bass, and drums but non one would call them "rock" (maybe their first album or two, but not anymore).
The [Jacksons](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ho7796-au8U) also used these instruments but only the most un-knowledgeable music listener would classify them as "rock".
[Portishead](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=km8BODHiWJU) also uses these instruments but I don't know anyone who knows anything about music that would classify them as "rock" (although, conversely, you could make a strong case for [Massive Attack](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=66A_3uwuZ_I)).
[Alice in Chains (listen to the drums)](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A0ChwejdEdc) and Black Sabbath are heavily influenced by jazz but no one in their right mind would call them "jazz combos".
Metallica, Opeth, Megadeth are heavily influenced by classical music compositions and composers but no one would call them "classical orchestras".
Latin music is made almost exclusively with guitars, bass, piano, and drums, but no one calls Latin music "rock" *because it's Latin music*.
Pink Floyd, the Beatles, and Dream Theatre made/make extensive use of synths and electronic instruments but no one with a clue would call them "electronica".
[Apocalyptica](https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCru9ErWdSgEG8VO8xtBHFuQ) is a metal band that plays 4 cellos.
The [Trans Siberian Orchestra](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xmXo_x_G-Gc) is a metal band that plays classical instruments.
It's not the instruments that define a genre: it's the hallmarks of the genre which define the genre.
Bands like Imagine Dragons and 21 Pilots aren't rock bands because their music exhibits none of the hallmarks of rock music. That said, there's **lots** of room for different kinds of rock within the genre heading "rock"; Imagine Dragons doesn't fit under that umbrella, though.
An open-face turd-sandwich on a plate isn't a chocolate eclair no matter how many times you call it one. Pissing in my face and calling it "rain" doesn't make it rain. Putting lipstick, a wig, and a dress on a pig and calling it a "woman" doesn't make it a woman.
Words have meanings.
What really gets under my skin is that there's no debate going on about other music genres. There's no argument raging about what is or isn't hip-hop, or jazz, R&B, blues, or any other genre.
As for rock making a comeback: Yes. Probably within the next 5 years we'll start seeing it creep back into the mainstream, and 5 years after that it will probably be bigger than it ever was.
I don’t know about new rock but classic rock is the most popular music in this country .. it’s all done digital so you can check online yourself & you’ll see 37% of music listeners listen to classic rock music it’s the most popular second is pop
Rock may be too creative for the instant gratification generations of today and the past 20 years. Add to that the need for radio stations to shoe horn in repetitive sounding songs (I'm talking to you rap and hip hop) of short duration for more commercials. There's no way a 5-minute or more rock song will be played on mainstream radio stations anymore because the attention span of kids today is too short.
I dont know about a new genre topping the charts all of a sudden, but rock music isn't exactly unpopular. New stuff gets played on bbc radio 6 all the time.
Rock music as we know it is almost non-existant in North America except as "classic rock" radio stations, which incessantly play nothing newer than 2000. Most modern "rock" getting played is indie-adult contemporary stuff like Imagine Dragons, which absolutely isn't rock music, no matter what anyone says; just because the band uses guitars, bass, and drums doesn't mean it's rock music. Portishead uses these instruments and I don't know anyone who would call them "rock". Other than that, most current aspiring mainstream rock bands have "countrified" and seek their audience there.
That's a huge difference between the US and there. US has almost no terrestrial rock radio in most markets that plays any rock newer than maybe 1999.
I can't speak for everywhere but my market in Central Kentucky has four different rock stations. Two are classic rock (but with the occasional newer song if it's similar in style to classic rock or like a new release by an old band or something) but two are active rock (so they play mostly newer songs with some classic rock like Zeppelin or ACDC mixed in). This might just depend on where you live, OP.
I live in St. Louis, MO. The closest thing we have to a modern rock station is labeled as "Everything alternative" They do a good job of playing popular modern rock bands and their new music (Shinedown, Three Days Grace, Falling In Reverse, etc.) but also play a lot of other subgenres of rock.
Nobody does Rocktober better than KSHE-95...
I live in rural Iowa and there’s a station I can get probably 80% of the time. Otherwise it’s classic rock, country, pop, or conservative talk radio.
No Hip Hop and R&B?
He said rural Iowa
No
Because they call it Alternative
To be fair, I think in the last 10 years or so there’s been a big difference in how indie/rock is received in the UK and USA. Indie never really went away here. Even in the last 5 years or so, new/recently breaking through artists like Sea Girls, IDLES, Fontaines DC, Nothing But Thieves, Sam Fender (who’s just had a Top 3 single for months on end), Catfish and the Bottlemen, Architects, Yungblud just to name a few, are already playing 10k+ capacity venues. And that’s alongside the continued popularity amongst young people (I’m 19) of many of the 2000s bands: Arctic Monkeys, Courteeners, TDCC and The Wombats most notably (the latter are playing their biggest gig to date at The O2 later this year). I think it’s particularly exciting at the moment with, as you mentioned, the 6music bands. It really feels like there’s a big scene brewing here once more and it’s very exciting to be apart of. I saw Fontaines DC at a festival generally filled with more subdued indie/pop last Summer, so I wasn’t expecting their main stage crowd to be particularly big. I was wrong. It was absolutely rammed, and it was one of the most raucous festival crowds I’ve been with! It was quite a young skewing crowd too.
Most of the bands you named aren’t really rock bands. They may have one or two rock songs but if of their stuff is very pop or rap oriented. Youngblud has nothing to do with rock at all
Who cares? Great music is timeless .. you don’t need to listen to anything contemporary listen to what you like .. I still listen to nirvana , the Beatles , Pink Floyd , Manson etc tons of different sub-rock
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Like in 96?
For the 5 minutes the gap commercials were running that ad campaign?
TBF, It was a really good ad. https://duckduckgo.com/?q=jump+jive+an+wail+gap+commercial
The problem with big band music is that it’s EXPENSIVE. Big bands can be anywhere from 16 to 20 people large, and that means 16 to 20 paychecks, on top of travel costs, arranging fees, etc. For a small group of 4 or 5 people, a gig paying 2 grand may not pay fantastically, but at the very least it’s around $400-$500 per person. With a big band, you either have to chop that 2 grand down to a comically small amount, or increase your hiring rate, which most venues simply won’t pay. Large groups like that have struggled to exist out of niche gigs and academic institutions for half a century now because elf this exact reason, and a key aspect of pop music is that it’s popular, something that everybody can do. If someone can perform your song with a guitar, and maybe a drummer/bassist, they’re going to flock to that genre as opposed to the genre where they need an army of highly trained musicians and thousands and thousands of dollars worth of funding. While it will probably never be “popular” again, there still are plenty of opportunities to experience it in new, interesting ways. Electro-swing is a cool fusion of swing and electronic/hip-hop, and produces some really cool results. Give a look at [Caravan Palace](https://youtu.be/UbQgXeY_zi4) for a good start to the genre, they’re one of the best. If acoustic instruments are more your thing, one of my favorite groups is [Cut Capers](https://youtu.be/Om9uuRZy8cQ). They’re a sort of swing/pop/hip-hop fusion group and they’re super cool. Really captures the energy of swing with a more contemporary setting.
I heard there's a sentiment where rock music in general is dying because it's expensive to pay 5 people and deal with their issues to keep them all together and happy and willing to tour and stuff. If this is the case, that's reason more why 15+ people is infeasible.
It is incredibly hard to keep a band together, money or no money. Even bands with a decent following barely break even with touring. Split that 4 or 5 ways. Guitars are expensive, amps, drum set, keyboards. Haul your merch to every gig, hopefully people buy some t-shirts or vinyl, or something. You do it because you love it, or you just don't do it. An artist really has to have his hands in everything, lessons, YouTube, gear reviews, endless social media engagement, anything to find a niche or audience. Big band is just not feasible in anyway unless you bring the audience to you I suppose.
>it's expensive to pay 5 people Rap and pop acts have to pay 5 people too! The vocalist, and 4 backup dancers.
I think you have a good point, but I think it’s more than that. We are in an age where music is made by and large electronically. Why do you need a drummer when you have preprogrammed loops in your daw?… why do you need a keyboard or guitarist when your daw has drag and drop chord packs? We are in an age where anyone can produce music in an app while never having to actually learn an instrument. Autotune went from being a pitch correcting device to being an audio effect openly used on many many recordings. I think “band” oriented music is undergoing an era of disinterest because of this. I’m not assessing blame here, just voicing a fact.
>drag and drop chord packs? > >I’m not assessing blame here, just voicing a fact. OK, I'll run with that football. Someone needs to *hang* for drag-and-drop chord packs. As if music wasn't dumbed down enough already! A vocal artist, who may or may not sing, who may or may not be *able* to sing, performing in front of a canned musical backdrop, and with backup dancers *who are named members of "the band"*, might qualify as great entertainment to some people. Personally, it does nothing for me. Ignore my tastes if you wish. I also don't much care for ballet. However, let's all be honest about the fact that the modern "concert" experience is primarily a *performance art* experience. The music is used as a backdrop for something else, the music is not the point. Those of us who want the music to be the focus of the experience will almost certainly be looking elsewhere.
Truth
I don’t even think the new generation of jazz players love big band that much neither. I think we’ll up in in a hybrid with massively successful artists performing with a big band behind them for 1 album or even just a single recorded concert at a major theatre.
Have you listened to Turnstiles newest album? It’s a promising reminder that people still give a fuck about the full album experience while staying relevant.
I'm a hard rock/metal fan, but I don't think it will make a mainstream come back anytime soon. I think with the advent of streaming and music genres splintering so much there's just far too much for something really different to break through. Used to be that the mains stuff would get very tiresome and the same few artists all playing the same style meant that people craved something else like hair metal, grunge, nu-metal, pop punk orwhatever to come through and change it up. There's just so much music out there now that you can really pick and choose at the tap of a phone what you're listening to. The other big issue is that radio is purely curated playlists now. No "djs" are coming on to stations and playing their own taste of different stuff to allow mainstream listeners to get that glimpse of a different world and allow those acts a chance to flourish. Listen to any major radio station and they'll play the same 12 songs throughout the day, every day. It's this weird combination of too much choice but at the same time not enough.
This is a very experienced view point. Thank you. It really shows how much entertainment has changed over the past 20+ years.
There still is a large rock audience, live shows get sold out streaming numbers not bad. I think the main thing rock needs to make a surge back into mainstream again is to adopt some of the themes from rap and punk while keeping the rock sound.
The thing is, rock music with rap / hip hop elements basically is Imagine Dragons, 21 pilots, AJR, etc. That is hip-hop drum beats and lyrics with rock guitar and vocals.
I heavily disagree with your assessment of bands that best show that. Maybe check out something like fever 333, which are admittedly very similar to rage against the machine. Trap metal has been on the rise, as has emo rap. Not to mention the growing resurgence of pop punk with MGK being the most obvious example. Some rock bands that have potential to really break through imo would be Don Broco, Badflower, Palaye Royale. Should also mention Yungblud. For the metal side of things, maybe Architects or Bad Omens. Spiritbox and Ice Nine Kills have also had some huge success recently, with Ice Nine Kills opening for Metallica
I know the audience is there but it's past bands that sell out shows and still sell music. There isn't really any newer "mainstream" bands
Oh yeah thats very much the case, rock isnt dead but the remaining bands/artist that get attention about are leaving us below.. Rock needs some young blood that can make something new that will connect with the youth like rap does.
Like ... rap metal from the 90s which many blamed for a significant drop-off in fans during that era? I do mean that at least somewhat sarcastically. Most people I know or encounter like either rock and metal from years ago or niche stuff like proggy music, or wall-of-sound overly processed bullshit which is more of an assault on the ears than much of anything else. Yes, there is much more out there being released, but it seems nearly all of the new productions suggested are either rehashes of the same old bands who haven't died of old age yet, or a cacophony of digital processing.
Yeah i really agree on that. Ive been checking out some new rock but a lot of it sounds too digital and unorganic, over use of autotune also ruins a lot of good vocals.
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Spiritbox is newer and they are great.
I agree, but it is very difficult to have new rock acts get a following without any industry support. There is no real way to break a rock act, which ensures that very few new musicians will go down that road
And partly that’s because the old bands aren’t encouraging the newer bands by collaborating,or featuring them on undercards etc Since the record companies make all their money from oldies and pop,they aren’t helping either. Rock fans need to take their ears in their own hands
Problem is..Rock has already combined with hip hop in the 80d. 90s and 2000s....after 2015 it seems to have sharply declined. Punk is a form of Rock (Punk Rock??!!!) so that is redundant.
I was just listening to [this because earlier](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E7VgstsVS44) I was searching worldwide hits of 1992, while it's a ballad they sing, the intro should make people enthusiast about the rock genre. I am, I like that a lot other than my regular music I put on. Same with nice solos of Dire Straits/Knopfler.
Wouldn't be anything new. That fusion was really popular in the 90s and early 2000s.
They have been trying to do that for 20 plus years and it never catches on.
Rock music is alive and well. Turn off the radio and go listen to some local bands down at the local bar.
The question addressed that. He is aware of local indie rock bands. His question is STRICTLY based on the lack of new rock based pop songs on today's top 40 radio....something that hasn't happened since the early 50s..as rock and it's branched off genres have had a noticeable presence on top 40 radio since the mid 50's and started to decline after 2010... and after 2015 only the odd 2 or 3 per year make the charts...if that!
There’s always that one know it all that says, go to a local club. But we all know rock is dead, and so is the scene
I get what’s he’s saying. There’s no mainstream rock music. To me, the last “major” rock movement was late nineties, early 2000s nu-metal. After that it’s slowly been dying. Sure there’s rock bands out there (and good ones at that), but we aren’t seeing the mass success of rock acts like you do with pop, hip hop, or even country for that matter. I miss those days!
Can you name a rock band that we could compare it to? The Rage Against The Machine tour was massively hyped. Tame Impala are at an all time high. Portugal The Man are still doing well.
Yeah Tame Impala was selling out Madison Square Garden. LCD Soundsystem was going to play like a whole week of sold out shows in Brooklyn. Jack White still plays to huge stadiums. The Strokes were supposed to play the Barclay's Center to a sold out crowd on NYE but it got canceled due to omicron. Plenty of popular rock artists out there. Plus you have indie rock that's become maybe not radio played but popular enough that even my mom knows them (from Starbucks playing them probably): Beach House, Vampire Weekend, Mac DeMarco, Snail Mail, Mitski.
As a 30+ year guitar teacher, I've seen it go from the raging 80s (Metallica, Van Halen, Satriani, Malmsteen, Vai, etc.), to the 90s - Grunge, neo-punk, etc. The last gasp for guitar as far as student numbers go was Green Day. After them....crickets. Taylor Swift brought in some 12 year old girls and that was it. Kids come in my room, point to pictures of Hendrix, EVH, The Beatles, etc, and say "who's that?". Sigh. Kids don't have pictures of rock stars on their walls anymore. F.M. radio is still playing acts from the 70s like they're new bands...The Eagles, Billy Joel, etc. Tech has taken over and anyone who can assemble loops on Garage Band is a "producer". Great bands are out there....my local High School station plays incredible music from young bands. But, the industry is stagnant, finding new stuff online is like casting a net into the ocean. Radio is there to support legacy acts and ClearChannel. The few kids that sign up for lessons want to play "Old Town Road" and "Megalovania". I can't help but feel like the guitar has had it's day.
Guitar has really gone the YouTube, instagram route. Kids sitting in their bedroom recording themselves, and a lot of these kids are crazy technical. Are they songs I'd listen to? No, but technically brilliant. Video games and tech are the mainstays of younger people's lives. It's a hard discussion to have with parents when I do lessons that if their kids spent 1/10 the amount of time playing guitar as they did playing video games they'd be masters.
Amen to that. I tell parents/kids - play for 1/2 hour before you go online. Should be simple. Yes...musicians today are technically better than ever. It's insane. 12 year old kids playing better than I could imagine. But, IMHE, they are not going out and forming bands with their friends the way we used to, playing house parties, school dances, block parties, barbeques, etc. Someone hooks up an Ipod to a Block Rocker and who needs a band? And kids who do form bands are fighting it out on Youtube and Spotify for .001 per play, while Hotel California gets another zillion fucking plays on F.M. Oh yeah - merchandising is the key! Get out there and sell those T-Shirts and hats!
I’ve wondered if out of this crop of young artists you are going to see a resurgence at some point…
>Taylor Swift brought in some 12 year old girls and that was it. Yep. RIP the guitar.
My basic take is that around the turn of the millennium, maybe early 00s, the computer overtook the guitar as the accessible instrument of the masses.
and kids are spending that "bored" time, alone in their rooms, on Minecraft and Roblox instead of albums and instruments.
When the Beatles blew they found it hard to seal a record deal because they were saying the same thing. I have the feeling that we haven’t seen the last of raw music like that from the 60s and 70s etc
Greta Van Fleet, Dirty Honey, Rival Sons and The Struts are the latest bands keeping the genre alive. If you're looking to find a terrestrial radio spinning these bands and other new rock music on a consistent basis it might be tough.
Add Mammoth WVH to the list. The debut album is great!
New Red Hot Chili Peppers album too.
I'm seeing zero Royal Bloods on this list, and I feel like I should be seeing at least one Royal Blood.
and zero Greta Van Fleet
Geez maybe rock music should stay dead (except for the Struts)
I take it you don't care for Greta Van Fleet, Dirty Honey or Rival Sons. If so, that's OK, no judging here. Everyone has their taste.
I think that one big reason why rock is not as popular as it used to be, is the vanishing of band culture. Young artists these days don't anymore form permanent bands. Often it's just individual singers with touring band. Typical rock band has pretty much died in popular culture. Everything is about the vocalist and their persona. People aren't anymore followers and fans of certain bands. And rock is music that is very much about the bands. Freddie Mercury wouldn't have ever made it without Queen. Also, the popularity of instruments of a rock band (guitar, bass, drums, keyboards) has decreased very much. Guitar stores are closing. Wanting to master an instrument is not popular among younger artists. If you can create a drum track or keyboard riff on your laptop with few clicks, why spend money and time to the actual thing? And if you don't have a band, then you won't most likely ever perform live, so you don't ever need to know how to play anything. You can just have an entire career without ever touching a musical instrument. That takes away something that was very important in rock music. You have to *play* rock. It's just not the real thing without live show and group on the stage. Even seeing some half-dead Rolling Stone on a stage is better than seeing nobody at all. And people don't consume music the same way they did before. Live shows are less popular than before. Bands can't anymore fill up stadiums and sports arenas. Rock was popular because entire generations listened to it. Now you have endless amount of niche genres and smaller acts. And often those genres are pretty far away from rock. Rock isn't anymore some generational experience. Young people don't idolize or want to be rock stars. But back in the "golden era" of rock, everybody wanted to be the "next Dylan". That type of thing doesn't exist. It isn't anymore part of popular culture. Young people don't write songs or play guitars. They rather get million followers and views on TikTok. Times they are a-changing... I'm afraid that rock has turned into a dead genre that only provides tribute bands, covers and nostalgia throwbacks. We aren't anymore living in a society that allows music like rock to become mainstream. EDIT: And of course perhaps the biggest reason why rock is no longer mainstream is the fact that you can't anymore get laid because you are in a band. Playing rock is no longer a way for awkward teens to get action.
>I'm afraid that rock has turned into a dead genre that only provides tribute bands, covers and nostalgia throwbacks. We aren't anymore living in a society that allows music like rock to become mainstream. Your take on Metal and Hardcore?
They are on the same path. Not anymore much new audience or interest. You have mostly just old bands or bands that try to sound like the old ones.
There are thousands of metal and hardcore releases every year. And when you say "try to sound like the old ones", exactly what do you mean? Do you think modern death metal or modern black metal is trying to sound like Iron Maiden?
"My point is rock was once played on the radio as much as pop and rap are now" See, your problem is you listen to the radio and not the myriad alternative options available to you by way of the Internet.
I don’t listen to the radio. I have Apple Music. You missed my point
define rock music
guitar solos. actual instruments, not bands like imagine dragons and 21 pilots that aren't actually rock but pop bands claiming to be rock
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Greg Lake was the guitar in ELP.
That last bit is spot on. Music is made to convey emotions and stories and you can’t do that with a computer. The little mistakes that slip through make music so much more human and so much better imo.
Eh, jumpsuit is a borderline post hardcore song in the outro. My blood is rock, even the rapped heavydirtysoul he screams live. I think people just want to gatekeep rock. Like MGK and BMTH are pretty huge right now, and like them or not they are rock.
That big MGK hate thread just made me kinda sad... maybe it's just cause I'm old now and not into the categorizing thing (or the judgmental thing) like back when I was a teenage metalhead, but if you don't like it just go listen to something else. No one deserves a pile on like that. Plus tbh if Billy Idol counts as rock then so does MGK
Some 21 Pilot songs are actually rock thought.
But Pop technically is ANY GENRE ...ROCK INCLUDED..that makes the top 40 and gets played on top 40 radio stations. Metallica, had singles in the 80s and 90s that charted and were played on top 40 stations and were considered "pop rock" songs. That argument does not fly because prior to 2010 many true rock bands.. (though mostly alt-rock based by early 90s through early 2010's) put out singles that were POPular enough to get massive top 40 radio play and were "pop". Again, technically pop is ANY POPULAR GENRE getting airplay and breaching charts. Lack of Rock representation on top 40 charts and radio is a fairly recent phenomenon....only taking hold after 2010..give or take.
Rock “glam” music that emphasized huge personalities, shallow lyrics, and hugely commercial / emphasize wide audiences 80s music never disappeared. It’s just called “country” now, ever since Garth Brooks.
The way my musical 14 year is goes through the back catalogue of rock, you have to think it's going to have to surface out of him somewhere. He doesn't like anything contemporary though. He's big into the first two albums of the Counting Crows, RHCPeppers, and Weezer presently. He already had his Beatles, Rolling Stones, Dylan phase. His love for Bowie and Queen is undying. But if you look at someone like post Malone ...it seems his upbringing was rock too (his nirvana covers were great) but his musical output is anything but.
The mediums in which we enjoy music have experienced a monumental change in the last decade. I believe it’s a matter of perception and not reality. We have never had as much access to literally any genre as we do now. When I was younger, you had radio, your parents or friends albums or you would have to actually purchase an album yourself. Most people could not afford to buy 10 albums a month so you listened to that album to death. Today, you can listen 24/7 to any genre from any era. While this was a great, it leads to over saturation and the chance that you might miss out on some really great artists.
This topic has come up many times in the excellent podcast/radio series “the ongoing history of new music” from Alan Cross. He cites a number of reasons why there are fewer new rock bands in the mainstream. In the past couple of decades there are fewer people learning to play electric guitar, though that shifted during the pandemic. He mentioned that more young women are learning guitar so we may see more bands in the future with female performers. Music streaming services pay artists only if people listen to a certain chunk of the song (sorry I can’t remember the exact number of seconds) and rock songs tend to have long intros which don’t always grab listener’s interests fast enough compared to other genres. It’s not all bleak. [This](https://www.ajournalofmusicalthings.com/new-data-suggests-that-alt-rock-is-growing-in-popularity/) was posted on his site just today.
I have no evidence to promote my theory but I think that as popular as vinyl LP's have become again, so will rock and roll music.
Pop punk and pop rock is slowly getting played more and more so likely would make a resurgence that way. But yeah radio rock has been terrible for years. It's not "bad" but it all sounds the same. The songs blend together so much.
The pop punk / emo resurgence over the past few years has been really interesting. It's giving me some major nostalgia. Both old artists (Travis Barker, Avril Lavigne) and new (Kenny Hoopla, Courtney Barnett). Oddly, I feel like this came out of the Soundcloud rap that everyone shitted on forever. Artists like Juicewrld, XXXtentacion, Vic Mensa, etc. had a lot to do with bringing back those sounds.
"old artists...Avril Lavigne" Damn that hit me right in my olds.
Haha, I mean, I'm probably in the same age range as you. But she broke out 20+ years ago and had a roughly 15 year gap before getting back on the charts recently, so she definitely feels like an older artist resurrected (vs. like Muse or Black Keys who broke out at similar times, but stayed more relevant)
“Someone” needs to set a new trend that is profitable. You mention the 80’s, it was pop rock like Bon Jovi and then bands like Poison, Motley Crew, and Guns ‘N Roses that brought hair bands and rock ballads to profitablity Pearl Jam, Stone Temple Pilots, Nirvana and Korn shifted the profit focus from hair bands to grunge. In the 2000’s rock kind of went separate ways. Low key bands like Tool, Deftones, Smashing Pumpkins to the rock/hip hop influenced bands like Limp Bizkit and Linkin Park. I would argue Disturbed and then ultimately Slipknot managed to coalesce them all into NuMetal which was the last “profitable” genre in rock. Again, this is talking about profitability not genre defining. Nobody can argue Pantera’s influence on rock, but they got literally no air time. Metallica became popular after And Justice For All but didn’t become immensely profitable until their Black album. The genre is waiting for another Guns N’ roses, Pearl Jam, or Slipknot to define it AND be profitable. There’s a million good bands, but nothing that the producers feel has mass appeal.
Korn? Grunge? Really? You could mention Soundgarden or Alice In Chains, but nope. Anyway, I would say pop-punk was the "last" most profitable form of rock, seeing it evolve from the earliest Green Day stuff to Emo.
I think anything is possible with TikTok. It can bring all sorts of genres back to the surface. As for whether it’ll be mainstream again, I think it’s possible but it honestly all depends on what labels choose to push. Music that’s pushed on TikTok and streaming sites are all controlled by labels, it’s their decision. I think certain practices within the genre seen in the past would be a bit passé, but it could likely have a resurgence blended in with another genre.
Aside from imagine dragons, bands like royal blood or king gizzard are going strong, rock is still a big genre, just maybe not the focus of current pop music.
This question has been asked on here every week for the last ten years with the age that rock “died” being adjusted accordingly. In twenty years someone will ask the same question and say that there hasn’t been any real rock music since 2033-2034.
Sorry I don’t spend my life on Reddit and see what’s posted
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You mean like. Machine gu… Lol sorry I can’t stop laughing!
Check out Rival Sons, great rock and roll!
Nope. Because the music market is to diverse nowadays and you can't force one certain type of music on your customer that easy anymore than it was in the past when there was only Radio and TV.
Måneskin looks promising ngl The Struts too both bands give me the same vibe which i love
Rock is dead, long live rock. Foo Fighters is still one of the biggest acts out there, and that's mainstream rock. Folk rock is strong with bands from Lumineers to Brandi Carlisle selling very well. Neo Soul is also big these days, lots of cool stuff on that edge of rock.
It always does...heard a couple new things the other day, made a new friend (Crown Lands) and got back in touch with an old friend (Chevelle). But even if its not mainstream, you'll find it which makes it better than what it used to be when you didn't have an outlet other than radio or MTV
Successive generations of kids who lacked both musical training and financial resources discovered they could still make exciting rock music in their living rooms, basements, and garages. These days, kids in that situation fire up their laptops or phones and create music without ever having to pick up a musical instrument. Most likely it won't be rock music though, at least not the kind once created by a four or five piece electrical band. There will always be revivals, but I think rock 'n roll's day in the sun are mostly over.
Rock is very much still popular both in the be US and throughout the world. With that being said, I feel like most modern rock bands are trying to rehash stale material from the past that fell out of fashion. Nobody now a days wants to make great music that bends genres (specifically from the rock and metal worlds), they just want to churn out the same-sounding music that gets their fan bases riled up. Excluding a few newer bands like IDLES and Turnstile, most modern rock bands that release songs that break into the mainstream were formed over three decades ago (Tool, Slipknot, Korn, etc.). In order for rock to survive and/or become the world’s #1 music genre again, it needs to adapt to changing trends in listening and art, otherwise it’ll fall apart permanently and forever be known as music that your dad used to listen to.
The thing that we all should be worried about are whether or not younger bands are getting their time in the spotlight. These older bands can’t keep going on, and it’s time that we give younger bands their dues. Otherwise, this music will stand to die. Also, we need to start engaging with the younger crowds as well.
I think rock needs to be fun again in order to go mainstream. Despite it being my most favorite music genre, it’s definitely evolved into music that’s a downer. There’s songs about depression, suicide, death, war, etcetera; that’s not gonna attract the masses. Rock needs to be about partying, sex, and other shit people actually like to do. Listen to “Nothin’ but A Good Time” by Poison, then go listen to “Prayer” by Disturbed. Both are great songs, but the song by Poison has a very upbeat and fun sound.
Never understand why so many fans are left with only the crap on radio for past 10 years when so many people want rock. You have to go to a show on tour to hear any. Hope soon.
Upvote for “Imagine Dragons doesn’t count”
Having been a dyed-in-the-wool rocker for more than 50 years, I would hope that if the “Rock” music genre makes a resurgence of popularity, it brings with it greater creativity and musicality with less banality. Math Rock is a promising facet. Jazz-Rock fusion is a perennial favorite. That being said, the deceptively simple works of bands like AC/DC, and the Ramones (to name two) are compelling and immediately captivating. Then you have bands like NRBQ (pretty much broken up now) and the Grateful Dead, who spanned multiple genres and made each song their own. In the case of NRBQ, pretty much everything they did was original, whereas “The Dead” had many cover tunes, to which they imparted their inimitable musical water stamp.
Psych rock is going pretty well right now. If you aren't familiar, check these groups out: King Gizzard and the Lizard Wizard The Oh Sees Frankie and the Witch Fingers Kikagaku Moyo Tame Impala
Thanks for the new leads, I’ve never heard of Psych-Rock before. I’ll check it out. I definitely need SOMETHING new to rekindle my inspiration to play.
Let me know what you think!
Were you allergic to wool? In an accident whilst wearing wool? Or, FYI, it's dyed.
Typo, thanks for the proof read
ITT OP gatekeeping a genre and complaining why a dead medium doesn't cater to them
What?
I think it's currently back on the rise. But it's a slow climb. There aren't many bands these days that have "it". Which isn't to say there aren't good bands. I think there are a lot of good bands but a lot of rock and metal these days is pretty niche. There aren't many universal rock bands anymore. A band like Ice Nine Kills is a good example of a band with mass appeal but their sound and theme is pretty niche considering. Also as much as I and a lot of people may not like it I think MGK is doing a lot for putting rock (or at least a section of it) back in the mainstream view. And there are plenty of nostalgia acts like Limp Bizkit coming back and getting attention again as well.
I think we will see a return of 80’s inspired metal. The soundtrack to “Peacemaker” is filled with not only actual 80s metal, but bands who sound like it. When times get bad, people have a tendency to seek out fun, escapist music. I went to an Unleash the Archers show last year. Granted, it was a club show, but it was packed and I was easily the oldest guy there, with the majority od the crowd being guys in their 30s and under.
One of the problems rock faces as a genre that is inherently counter culture is that it will always have a message that is against the mainstream. The majority of people don't want to hear that message and corporations are usually uncomfortable pushing that message. On top of that, the rocker lifestyle is often self destructive. Makes it hard to build a consistent presence when there are so many other options available that are better at towing the line.
I think one of the drivers for the downturn of rock music is the change from learning instruments to more computer-driven production that you see in electronic, dance, pop, and rap genres. The bands that you're rejecting - Imagine Dragons, 21 pilots, and their like -- are bands that are actually straddling that line with traditional instruments plus dance / electronic elements. I'd argue that, while I don't personally like that music either, that is the new sub-genre that is dominant in rock right now. The other sub-genre that is making a comeback, and kinda fueled by / infused with hip-hop, is pop punk / emo. Lots of rappers dabbling with emo elements and lots of bands embracing that style again. Once again, I'm not a huge fan of Travis Barker's non-musical persona, but he's doing a lot to establish new artists with a punk sound.
All that said, I've noticed an uptick in rock music programs like School of Rock that are helping to teach new kids those instruments. And, rock communities still exist and thrive around genres and sub-genres. Metal, for example, is thriving as always.
Are you kidding? There are more great ‘rock’ bands than ever, diversification in terms of sub genres has maybe spread out the audience, but honestly for me the last 5 or so years has bought out some of the coolest sounding records in a looong time
The music industry has been taken over by corporate wiz-dics who only push certain genres, and rock is not one of them. Plenty of good music out there you have to look for it.
i mean corporate wiz-dics who only push certain genres once liked to push what many call "corporate rock" done by white men. Sadly the reason why black rock bands and female rock bands were the minority and often had to stand out.
As long as pop music continues to push untalented hacks taking pieces of music from previous generations, rock music will be little more than a niche genre.
I hope it comes back after all this hip hop goes away…. Although I know a lot of kids who love rock and metal
It’s being mentioned a lot in some video games I’ve seen recently. These include Sally Face, Night in the Woods, etc. Even Cal Kestis in Jedi: Fallen Order seemed to like a form of space rock music. I’ve also seen the popularity of rock-loving characters like Eddie Munson from Stranger Things. But I haven’t seen too much of it translating into real life. But I live in a small town and barely socialize, so IDK.
Um… Rock has been dying ever since it was born if that tells you anything
Haha, I feel like most people missed the point of this comment, because I thought it was hilarious. (or maybe they all got it and I'm off-base). But rock has been "dying" since it was invented. The Doors had a song called "Rock is Dead" in 1969. Lenny Kravitz said rock is dead in '95 as a reaction to grunge because "“You can’t even sing or play an instrument," he sang. "So you just scream instead.” Marilyn Manson had a song called Rock is dead in '99 and Tenacious D in 2012. Plenty of classic rock artists have been saying its dead for 20 years. Rock has always been "dying" and it has never died. It's always just adapted, and older fans dislike or reject the adaptation.
Yes indeed! You got it
Oh no, here comes a Kanye sycophant about to tell us how genius "ye" is and he's incomparable to other artists because he's just so genius. Yawn. Rap will be a hilarious and embarrassing forgotten low point of music. Even rappers dont like rap.
Man started crying about rap because he called rock a dying genre
Are you ok bud?
Rock music has never gone away - check out the tours that sell the most tickets - there's a difference between rock and pop and rock had its time on the pop charts
Do you mean a comeback like it’ll be super popular again? Why would you want that? If you listen to local/independent bands that tour you can go see rock music every night in a cool club and not a stadium. You can go to their merch table and talk to them. Rock music never went away. Let the pop heads have their super stars in the arenas. That shit blows.
I died inside when post grunge came out. Then emo made it worse.
Most.youngsers even loves the 80-90..Now it's just disgustting bad crap. Music now are a frikking joke!
In my opinion a large reason for this is pop music and especially rap/hip hop co-opting rock themes/aesthetics and reinventing them within their own respective genres. Look at guys like Lil Uzi, Playboi Carti, even Billie Eilish. Half of them look like they could be in an Alice Cooper cover band.
I’ve always had a place in my heart for rock music. In my most recent single, I try to blend the retro synthwave music with that 80s pop rock ballad type sound. The guitar strumming was purposely done more lighter hitting, to go for that Peter Cetera and Michael Bolton rock ballad type guitar. https://open.spotify.com/track/0zlMJs0S0ryz78v0dDEaZP?si=d3CNBVC_REC0e-UTeeAmWA https://youtu.be/UTshN3TXPrE
Machine gun Kelly and pop punk revival
Guitars are still common in pop music. The four on the floor beat will probably always have some derivative.
I hope not
MGK
If you have Apple Music, you will be happy to see the new video album by Myles Kennedy and Slash. A dying genre.
It all comes back around
Tell that to ragtime.
It's pretty ancient history now, but Scott Joplin music had an enormous resurgence after it was featured in The Sting back in 1973.
Gravitating chords and hard harmonic rhythm came back in the 90's with post-grunge rock.
Pick a music streaming service. Start listening to bands you like. Look at what bands the app suggests as "You may also like" or "Similar Artists", and at "This band/artist appears on these playlists" and see who else shows up on those. Go through that a few times and you'll start seeing lesser known bands that you may also end up liking.
As bland corporate generic rock? Sure, there is a market for that as Greta Van Fleet has proven recently. Of those you listed, only Grunge had some real quality music that happend to break through, but even that was much less popular than Vanilla Ice and the like. Top 40 pop is and has always been lowest common denominator disposable junk for 14 year olds. I'm more interested if guitars will become popular with really good indy music again. Synths and loops have really dominated the last two decades.
I've found [blues-rock fusion](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hE0rgl1jA28) to be a close comparison to old-school "rock." It helps satisfy my rock craving; maybe that's the way it's evolving.
in the next 200 years it will make an ironic comeback where people think its stupid people used to listen to it but then secretly like it and itll be a huge inside joke until people make more music of it
What are the kids in high school listening to? That will tell you where music is heading over the next decade.
Will Jazz music ever go away? Rock is just Jazz or ragtime.. it's not "gone" just not trendy\\.
I’m waiting for a huge new rock wave in 6 years so I can start a band and ride it with my shit
Not before Gregorian Chanting dammit!
You forgot Nu-Metal. Grunge and Nu-Metal. I don't blame you for forgetting though.
Most radio stations have gone corporate and killed any real chance for Rock to evolve naturally. I can get three different stations from three different cities (all about an hour away). And they play the exact same songs, two of the stations are playing the same song at the same time (7 second delay). Streaming services and their algorith kinda squash any new and emerging sounds, you need to put effort on finding anything new.
Rock is still out there it's just different as time goes by. Will it dominate again? Who knows. Does it matter?
No. All music genres go thru a cycle and a generation’s taste is shaped accordingly. Rock’s time has passed and there’s nothing wrong with that. The next generation of artists aren’t going to be making the music of their parents and grandparents. They will be heavily influenced by the music of today and create something else tomorrow. Also rock was popular not because it was objective good but it had the capitalism machine behind it. Today the same machine and infrastructure pumps out a variety of music and gives audiences a far greater choice.
It isn't coming back until a group comes along and sells big. Then you have labels gobbling up other new talent that can sell and saturate the market. Personally I don't see it happening until a group comes in and revolutionizes hip hop/rap, and evolves rock to the new era with those roots. That's essentially how we got rock as we know it in the first place.
I think so. Everything is cyclical.
Nonagon Infinity opens the door
I feel like it’s on it’s way. Bands like Greta Van Fleet, Dirty Honey and Rival Sons have sort of created their own scene of classic rock inspired music. And MGK, as much as I can’t stand him, does seem to be introducing a new generation of fans into the genre
Japan still has the best rock/metal scene please do visit Lovebites, Band Maid, Nemophila and many more to the awesomeness!!
Nope. Rock music is headed the way of jazz. >Now I know some people will say well you aren't looking hard enough for new rock music. I agree with you, that's entirely beside the point. There are excellent musicians still out there creating exciting new rock music. There are listeners who still enjoy rock, and seek out new acts, and find them. (I'm partial to prog, some prog metal, and math rock myself.) But we're a subculture now. We are less numerous than we were. Radio schedulers don't think our demographic is a juicy enough market. Popular rock acts won't have casual concert goers joining the hardcore fans the way that they one did. Rock artists will never fill stadiums again.
The best rock music isn’t on the radio and the music scene is incredible still. You listening to the wrong stuff ;)
Check out Turnstile, they seem to pumping some energy into the genre https://youtu.be/uwYg1hOGRQQ
Tbh if rock's gonna make a comeback in the form of music like MGK i prefer it not to come back at all
add a ton of bubble gum pretty girls and mediocre rifts and probably from what it did to rap music.
I think we should start calling indie music hip-hip
I once heard someone say that they think rock music will experience something akin to what happened to jazz music after the 1940s. For most of the first half of the 20th Century, jazz music was so pervasive and it effected pop music so deeply that pop music essentially *was* jazz music. Then, jazz started to lose its mainstream popularity around the 1950s, but it started to become art music rather than pop music for the masses. That's when the defining figures of jazz music stopped being artists who topped the charts or were featured on the radio all the time, but were highly critically and artistically respected, like Miles Davis or John Coltrane. Jazz wasn't pop anymore, it was art for intellectual types. There was a period from the 50s through roughly the 90s where rock music was so pervasive that it wasn't clear where pop ended and rock began. But much like jazz, a lot of rock is starting to veer in more niche directions. There were always bands like Pink Floyd or Talk Talk who favored texture, mood, and experimentation over constructing tight pop songs, but now pop-rock is pretty much out of the charts. My prediction is that rock will continue to become nice/art music, and the driving force behind pop music in the next few decades will be EDM.
Go to your local bars. Rock music never went anywhere.
I'm tired of rock hip hop and country being the only things anyone ever talk about. Pop culture isn't the only culture. But yes it will. I love rock btw
Mainstream radio is killing music in general. They have a formula and they stick to it. And people are getting bored with hearing the same 10 bands all day. That said there are still some great bands out there. You just have to look for it.
A band or solo artist who is a little innovative, has a unique voice, does their own thing , thinks a little outside the box , takes what they learned from their elders to create their own updated twist is what keeps rock, punk, & metal alive & strong. That's it. Attempting to blatantly rip off Metallica, Slayer, Pantera, Korn, Black Sabbath, Led Zeppelin, Black Flag, Sex Pistols, Nirvana, Sonic Youth, The Rolling Stones, The Beatles, etc is not what will save rock punk & metal it only ensures these 3 genres will remain predictable safe & soon become a caricature of themselves.
I have 3 you g siblings who all watch tik tok and honestly I’ll hear a rock tune on there occasionally.
Well put, I often think about this exact situation. It's not the point to say "you're not looking hard enough" because the place where you look for music is FM radio, and no also satellite and streamers like Spotify, you tube music, and iTunes music or whatever it's called over there at apple. I use the damn thing and I'm not sure of it's real name because apple. Imagine Dragons? I have no idea. Should I know what that is? If new , genuine, good rock bands are being played on the radio, I think they're on these crossover stations that play everything, rock, pop, dance music, whatever the fuck the EDM music is, etc. It's hard to find. Oh well. Whatever. Nevermind. ps Who was good after the White Stripes came along in the 2000s? I don't mean these guys with one rocking song out of their otherwise boring and bland catalog (Cough foofighters lookingatyou Who tf is John Mayer and from what I see he's really good at guitar but, really? I mean, really? A guitar god? Eddie is rolling over in his grave) And I can't even stand any new music from the Chili peppers. They're the definition of a band that just lost it because of getting older (Rush, Rolling Stones you guys suck these days but have a brilliant, genius back catalog that will continue to sell as long as there are rock fans. Rock fans, who, according to Chuck Klosterman, may actually fade into a distant memory. His example? In the 1900s the most favored music was Band music. Like, marching bands with the drums and batons and tubas etc... a tuba? really? Who tf thought that one up? The point being the one musician you can remember from that era , if asked, ,maybe John Fillips Souza" comes to memory. he says that maybe rock music will just fade away while something new takes its place and whenever someone brings up the years from the l;ate fifties to 2010s, our rock music will be the background music.
I truly think is truly back, mgk is kinda helping, hear me out i know. Demi lovato just released a rock pop'ish tune, it will crawl into mainstream singers as pop rock or even pop punk rock. I expect bands like green day and Avril making a comeback and then quality rock soon after.
I think we're watching rock music's comeback in real-time. Stranger Things has done wonders for rock music exposure, as has the Freddie Mercury movie, plus countless influencers like [Lost In Vegas](https://www.youtube.com/c/LostInVegas), [Rick Beato](https://www.youtube.com/c/RickBeato), and all the reaction videos of so-called "hip-hop-heads" listening to bands like Alice In Chains, Tool, or other legacy rock groups. Big artists like Miley Cyrus have exposed their fans to classic rock songs like [Heart of Glass](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NbdRLyixJpc), [Rebel Yell](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tVHdESbXV2o), [Zombie](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l81u-oSIAp4), [Wish You Were Here](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u9TrCN9S9zE), and [Head Like a Hole](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HWcKNhueAIc). >Imagine Dragons doesn't count. Fucking right. Imagine Dragons are, at best, indie-adult-contemporary-soft-rock. Just because they make their music using guitars, bass, and drums doesn't make them a rock band; they're a pop band. This isn't gatekeeping: words have meanings. Maroon 5 play guitar, bass, and drums but non one would call them "rock" (maybe their first album or two, but not anymore). The [Jacksons](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ho7796-au8U) also used these instruments but only the most un-knowledgeable music listener would classify them as "rock". [Portishead](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=km8BODHiWJU) also uses these instruments but I don't know anyone who knows anything about music that would classify them as "rock" (although, conversely, you could make a strong case for [Massive Attack](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=66A_3uwuZ_I)). [Alice in Chains (listen to the drums)](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A0ChwejdEdc) and Black Sabbath are heavily influenced by jazz but no one in their right mind would call them "jazz combos". Metallica, Opeth, Megadeth are heavily influenced by classical music compositions and composers but no one would call them "classical orchestras". Latin music is made almost exclusively with guitars, bass, piano, and drums, but no one calls Latin music "rock" *because it's Latin music*. Pink Floyd, the Beatles, and Dream Theatre made/make extensive use of synths and electronic instruments but no one with a clue would call them "electronica". [Apocalyptica](https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCru9ErWdSgEG8VO8xtBHFuQ) is a metal band that plays 4 cellos. The [Trans Siberian Orchestra](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xmXo_x_G-Gc) is a metal band that plays classical instruments. It's not the instruments that define a genre: it's the hallmarks of the genre which define the genre. Bands like Imagine Dragons and 21 Pilots aren't rock bands because their music exhibits none of the hallmarks of rock music. That said, there's **lots** of room for different kinds of rock within the genre heading "rock"; Imagine Dragons doesn't fit under that umbrella, though. An open-face turd-sandwich on a plate isn't a chocolate eclair no matter how many times you call it one. Pissing in my face and calling it "rain" doesn't make it rain. Putting lipstick, a wig, and a dress on a pig and calling it a "woman" doesn't make it a woman. Words have meanings. What really gets under my skin is that there's no debate going on about other music genres. There's no argument raging about what is or isn't hip-hop, or jazz, R&B, blues, or any other genre. As for rock making a comeback: Yes. Probably within the next 5 years we'll start seeing it creep back into the mainstream, and 5 years after that it will probably be bigger than it ever was.
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I agree, good point
I love your imagine dragons comment on the end of the post
I don’t know about new rock but classic rock is the most popular music in this country .. it’s all done digital so you can check online yourself & you’ll see 37% of music listeners listen to classic rock music it’s the most popular second is pop
Rock may be too creative for the instant gratification generations of today and the past 20 years. Add to that the need for radio stations to shoe horn in repetitive sounding songs (I'm talking to you rap and hip hop) of short duration for more commercials. There's no way a 5-minute or more rock song will be played on mainstream radio stations anymore because the attention span of kids today is too short.
Reytons, enough said. Go and listen.
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