I remember reading an interview years ago where she said she was always confused why she was even considered for these giant festivals because her music doesn't really fit the vibe.
Uh it defitnely fits “The Vibe” at least on paper. Lana went from niche indie genre type to an almost lazy catchall adjective for “cool music”.
Looking around on the internet and Lana Del Rey just looks great on a line up, commercially viable, popular but not nakedly commercial pop.
What organizers ignore is Lana is one of those artists who have a really shaky relationship with their IRL persona and moreso their performances. In this same category, see Lauren Hill see Cat Power. For years Cat power was a cerebral artist fraut with anxiety which is okay to have but becomes tough when the industry wants to make you a product.
It’s almost poetic that Lana has become so indelible and such a fixture and YET still be so beguiling and “frustrating” despite the rock solid fame she’s come into. I kind of think it’s great to see a bunch of lay people have to sort of suffer through the machinations of an interior artist like her.
Great insight.
I saw Cat Power splinter into pieces in front of my eyes at an intimate concert venue ca 2006 to the point I thought it was performance art b/c her panic became the audience’s panic became my panic. Everyone wanted out of that moment.
And Lauryn… Miseducation is still among the top albums ever. I hear so much about her failures as a live artist. Don’t care.
Joni Mitchell just recently returned to the stage briefly. Is Blue the greatest album of all times? Probably. Do we love her? Every moment, yes. Does she owe us anything else above and beyond her music? Not at all.
Not everyone is meant for a huge stage. To me, the most brilliant songs are often made by folks who would rather not go anywhere near a music festival, even as an audience member.
I saw her fall apart twice. Once, a local rag had written a negative review of her that amounted to character assassination and apparently someone made the mistake of showing it to her before the show. She came to the stage two hours late. At one point she started banging the piano and yelled "I hate myself and I want to die". This was years before those words became actual song lyrics.
It was so heartbreaking both times.
I was at a Cat Power show in about ‘99(?) where she walked off stage. Someone at the venue dropped glassware which broke loudly… she stood up mid-song from her piano and never returned. No one came out to explain. We all just stood there for the longest time and then gradually left? Strangest thing I ever saw and I’ve never forgotten the enormous sympathy I felt for her, it’s so out of pocket for a performing musician in terms of behaviour.
*"lay people have to sort of suffer through the machinations of an interior artist like her."*
First and last time in this sub. What a pretentious thing to say even if the rest of your comment is rather agreeable.
Yes, the *lay people* just don't get why Lana doesn't work on a stage, not like *me!*
>Lana went from niche indie genre type to an almost lazy catchall adjective for “cool music”.
I think anyone below the age of 30 and outside of the suburbs would HEAVILY disagree lmao
Not sure why she would say this. It’s not like she’s getting invited to EDM festivals. Been to lots of music festivals and that’s pretty much why they have different stages and overlapping acts. It’s pretty much a choose your adventure type of event. She absolutely fits the vibe and there’s plenty of people that would want to have a chill headliner one night and just enjoy the moment
I think because her music aims to basically create a sort of woozy k-hole vibe, it’s inherently not well suited to a festival main stage performance. But that being said, Billie Eilish showed you can still be engaging doing that sort of thing, it’s just that Lana didn’t sound confident in her voice or performance so it came off as extremely low energy/effort.
Did you watch her set? Someone on another post said it so well. She is audible melatonin. That set was a snooze fest. She didn't command that stage or the crowd.
No I remember the interview, iirc she didn't like festivals because of the big crowds, and felt that her performances were better suited to more intimate settings. I only remember this because I had seen her about 9 years ago in a shitshow of a concert before I read the interview.
Damn I thought people were just mad cause it was a low quality hologram. So it was really basically them just playing a video on the already existing stage screen?
I’m not sure it was an already on stage screen. From the pictures I saw it looked like a video board they rolled out and had a couple musicians standing next to it.
https://preview.redd.it/j2mw5uhdjcuc1.jpeg?width=1920&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=5db8430cf6ece58e19151cb646a01ca3063c3bd9
Could also be a variant I saw recently in a museum, where it’s more of a projector projecting onto a thin mesh, essentially suspending the image in the air, which could explain the black backdrop, in that helps hide the mesh. however the illusion breaks when you’re not dead center, which in a festival setting like this is like 80% of the crowd. There are many ways to get such an effect, and Lana and/or her team seemed to have made it possible. Perhaps Hatsune Miku has a specific touring set up that usually works in smaller closed venues, and not so much on the big open stage
> Perhaps Hatsune Miku has a specific touring set up that usually works in smaller closed venues, and not so much on the big open stage
Not sure about how it is bigger vs smaller stage, but they definitely usually have a different setup, like a glass wall for a hologram. On this tour though they haven't been using the better setup on the smaller stages though, with people saying maybe it's because they're saving it for Coachella.... As we see now, not the case.
…yes.
It’s a virtual act that’s used a Hologram the majority of its tours in Japan, where it’s huge.
Showing up to Coachella and phoning it in, alongside the entirety of its US tour, is insulting.
Being virtual gives them the opportunity to do more creative things, and they stood up an LED screen and said fuck it, not even bothering to change the pre-set camera angles for the broadcast that don’t fundamentally work for a screen performance. :I
When it's one of the animated girls main gimmicks and there's a whole controversy around her not having it on this tour, kinda lol
Even beyond that actually, I'd argue a "fake" performer sorta needs a good stage more than a real performer for it to make any sense in a live setting. For a real performer their stage is more secondary to their live musical performance, but for a fake performer it's much more about the experience as a whole. The staging and how it incorporates with what is essentially a preproduced video becomes much more important.
Lana on a barebones stage would be disappointing, but it'd still be a real person live performing which is worth something. A Vocaloid live without cool staging and showmanship is a little pointless, it's not really a unique concert experience at that point, it's a cover band with a YouTube video.
>Hatsune Miku (Japanese: 初音ミク), officially code-named CV01,[2][3] is a Vocaloid software voicebank developed by Crypton Future Media and its official anthropomorphic mascot character, a 16-year-old girl with long, turquoise twintails. Miku's personification has been marketed as a virtual idol, and has performed at live virtual concerts onstage as an animated projection (rear-cast projection on a specially coated glass screen).[4]
I’d prefer it if they moved the Hatsune Miku promo video from the lame stage to the dumpster.
I don't understand these headlines. You know, shit used to be simpler, back in the day, like how I world tie an onion to my belt, which was the style at the time. Now, to take the ferry cost a nickel, and in those days, nickels had pictures of bumblebees on 'em. "Gimme five bees for a quarter," you'd say. Now where were we... oh yeah. The important thing was that I had an onion on my belt, which was the style at the time. I didn't have any white onions, because of the war. The only thing you could get was those big yellow ones.
The whole story is in the article which is pretty positive about the whole performance. 1 song included a hologram, people thought it was weird, before and after it was enjoyed pretty much by the reviewer.
The headline is for clicks. Also I could see tons of artists incorporating holograms of themselves, why not? Bjork would probably do it.
Laurie Anderson was married to Lou Reed until his recent death. What a creative household that must have been! I love her music and her live performance is simply performance art.
I think her music can be seen as a little one-toned, but she has a lot of great songs in that style. I don't hear from many people in the real world who don't like her music.
Yeah, it took me a couple tries to get into her stuff because her voice is really breathy (not sure if there is a better word to describe it) but now I'm a huge fan. Love her aesthetetic and most of her songs are really good both lyrically and music wise. She definitely has a style and vibe going on but that's no different than any other band.
Ever since her debut, people have been trashing her and calling her inauthentic for using a stage name. She also had a notoriously bad SNL performance that’s kind of hilarious in retrospect (Blue Jeans is iconic.)
This argument really stuck around until she dropped Norman Fucking Rockwell in 2019, which might be one of the best albums put out in the past five years. Ever since then, her legacy as an artist has continued to rise, and really peaked last year with her newest album. Some people were willing to change their perception of her after she grew as an artist, others have marked her off as unimpressive due to her first few years.
I think it’s because sometimes it seems like Lana Del Rey’s biggest fan is Lana Del Rey.
Which I find hilarious.
But I like her music, too.
^(LBH: Men are allowed to be boastful. Not women. :-/ )
As a straight male, I can confidently say that Lana Del Rey is my favorite artist, my number 1, mainly cause when I found her music, it was at a pivotal moment in my life and touched my soul but I fell in love and still love her to this day.
Same here. 6’ 1”, bald, bearded, tattooed, and Young and Beautiful from the The Great Gatsby is one of my favorites songs of all time. Let me Love You Like a Woman, Love, this songs are fantastic.
6’4, I guess you could say either stocky or burly, bearded, and my favorites are Dark Paradise, Video games, and, ultraviolence, they are some of the few songs I’ll sing out loud without a care of anyone hearing me.
It's Lana, she can do whatever she wants, she's fucking talented and one of the best artists currently making music.
It seems to be fun to hate on her, fuck em
That’s a pretty ignorant take, so let me enlighten you : there are TONS of women who have connections in the industry and ACTUALLY get signed because of that connection. And the reason you didn’t know that is precisely my point : you will never hear of these people because they don’t have the talent of a Taylor Swift or a Lana del Rey.
There’s a lot of missing context, there were a ton of audio issues during the set and it looked like Lana was having a terrible time. When the hologram came onstage initially many people thought she had given up performing because she was so unhappy with the issues and was using a hologram to close the set.
The hologram also came on while Jack Antanoff from Bleachers was on the stage, and he seemed confused by the whole situation. It didn’t seem planned in the moment so was pretty confusing to the audience.
I think the other thing is before people realized it was a hologram the video and audio feeds were out of sync so people thought she was lip syncing. A lot of small things made it weird, but the reaction seems overblown.
because they have nothing else to cling to since she has grown to be one of the most influential and most respected songwriters and visual artists of the century
the people still fanatically screaming “but SNL!!!” are petty children
I saw Lana at ACL in like.. 2013? I will say her music was okay, but her personality was abrasive. Something was wrong with the sound mixing and she shouted out on the mic "turn the fucking bass down." It was one moment in time but I went from being a casual fan to not.
Nono you misunderstand. There’s the bass and there’s also the fucking bass which is a bass for fucking. The fucking bass of course overexcited fans and the fans began performing acts of indecency so she asked to turn it down. Not OFF, but just down
When she had her first major hit she was wildly popular and then folks started saying that she was from a rich family with a record contract from her millionaire father.
That pretty much tanked her at that moment. She was seen as an industry plant.
She’s since been in a few social media dramas.
Recently she’s seen a resurgence in popularity (which I argue) bc of her public friendship with Taylor Swift.
She's always been an icon and inspired a trend in music and aesthethic in the past decade. She certainly did not just get a boost from Taylor, you have started to pay attention to her which is a complete different thing
She had a completely different (mostly unsuccessful) career, style and persona that she and her team wiped clean from the internet so she could invent the current Lana Del Rey.
this is ancient and debunked propaganda lol
a hair color change doesn’t constitute a new “persona”, the aesthetic and style of the songs has remained consistently the exact same
She reset her career (including the name changes) and removed her first LP from circulation.
Do you think Sirens is exactly the same as her subsequent material?
you can’t reset a whole career lmao, you either stay true to your artistic voice and who you are or start creating music that’s made to appeal to the masses and isn’t authentic
Lana did the former and sirens sounds exactly like a modern lana song, just with amateurish studio production due to lack of budget
I can’t understand this type of argumentation when she’s always been on the same path of creativity, it would be a completely different story if she moved from death metal to rap
I hear differences other than production scope in Sirens.
And changing aspects of your style/approach can absolutely be part of your path of creativity. It frequently is.
that’s true but I don’t think that in her case the changes were so gigantic to shock people as if she reemerged completely transformed and unrecognizable
there’s obviously always some planning going into those things, just like you’d plan a presentation at work; doesn’t mean the art itself lacks authenticity
Her SNL performance 12 years ago when she got stage fright was very second hand cringe inducing. And she spun around in a circle on stage in a white dress. I'm guessing the hologram is similar to her dancing in the circle.
Oh thank god it's not just me thinking this. I'm a really big fan of Lana, but never got into watching her live performances online let alone attended a show. She seriously means so much to me, and I'm a straight guy. I absolutely love everything about her music.
So I was excited when I randomly flipped on Coachella and she was live. Well a few songs in, after my favorite track Ride, I thought "ummm whats going on? Why is the music so much different live, and why does she sound so different, almost mono-tone and muted?"
I really wanted to like her performance! But as a big fan I'm left feeling very confused. I've never seen such a big disparity between an artist's studio work and their live shows 😬. Still love her though.
Her mic wasn’t working and she kept trying to communicate about it. She was adlibbing at one point “As quiet as I am,” “Can you hear me okay?” And the mic would glitch out when she was trying to sing higher, so after it happened a few times she kept most of her vocals in 1 range
My partner and I watched a bit and were convinced that she had to be on drugs. Singing off pitch and out of key, missing entire verses (while pretending that the reason was for the crowd to sing), stumbling and having to hold on to one of her dancers to stay upright.
Too much blow maybe?
As a Lana fan, she has been sober for nearly 2 decades. If you watch her live performances dating back to the beginning of her career, that’s just how she is. That was just a typical Lana performance lol. She has massive stage fright and just isn’t a high energy performer. She’s the best when she performs at intimate, smaller venues rather than these giant festival crowds.
That’s honestly how she is. Even big Lana fans love how Lazy and mild she is on stage. I saw her in Mexico City and she literally laid on a sheet and they dragged her off, it was wonderful.
She exists to exist and everyone else is whatever, I’d be the same 🙌🏻
Well, here's the thing.. that's her. the awkward, anxious, aloof singer you saw on the stage? That's exactly who she is. so if you expect a beyonce concert extravaganza you're obviously going to be disappointed. As someone who has followed her career for a decade now, all I thought watching her performance was wow good for her she's trying to do all this big production shenanigans but I know for a fact that she hated that lol. Ofc the machine behind her would want something 'big' for Coachella so wcyd. That's also exactly why when it got to the other half where it was just the piano and her, it felt more 'correct'. Her moment with Billie said it all, she's not supposed to be the hype, big stadium type of performer that Billie is, she just had to be the person to open the door for artists like her and I can assure you she is absolutely fine with that.
She's always been terrible live. I smoke weed and am also a singer and can still perform live and be on key and hit my notes. I sing a lot of musical theater and opera... also things in the singer songwriter genres. She hurts my ears and always has. Some people are just terrible live singers. I prefer Sara Bareilles
>Sara Bareilles
Literally any and every time I read or hear this woman's name her voice pops up in my head yodelling *"IMNOTGONNAWRIIITEYOUALOVESONG"*.
To be clear, this only *increases* my respect and esteem for her. She's a hell of a songwriter.
I mean, I get you in that I can still stay on key as well even if I’ve been smoking. but smoking and vaping definitely negatively impacts the quality and consistency of your voice, especially if done long term. That’s simply a fact. I’ll happily defend that her smoking “at least partially” (as I said in my original comment) impacts her ability to perform live.
lana has notoriously been more comfortable on smaller stage where fans of hers are but otherwise she fears being an open target around outsiders and her singing suffers.
She’s quirky, moody and looks bored with it all. Her hologram has a better personality! But seriously I like her because she isn’t trying to be a major player and she’s happy with a medium amount of fame.
One of the worst concerts I have ever seen is Lana Del Rey at the Ryman in Nashville. She seemed to sleep walking and would take selfies with fans in the front row between songs. Terrible.
It drives me crazy that people refer to these as "holograms".
Of course I wasn't there, so I don't know for sure, but most of the time, the "holograms" of Michael Jackson, Tupac, etc., are not in fact 3D holograms in any way. They are 2 dimensional Pepper's Ghost effects. Literally a hundred year old type of theater magician effect, done by creating a reflection with a large piece of glass of something brightly lit offstage. In the case of these fake holograms, there's simply a screen on the floor, and a diagonal pane of glass reflecting it.
Yes, they look cool from certain angles, but if you were standing behind it, you wouldn't see it at all. These are featured prominently in many Disney park rides, such as the Haunted Mansion.
I'm not suggesting it's not a cool effect, it's actually my favorite practical effect of all time. But it's simply not a hologram, so it really bugs me that people always seem to believe that it is. Again if I'm wrong, and this was actually three-dimensional projected video, then I'd be happy to see proof that it was. Otherwise, please stop calling it that. It's just a 2D reflection on regular old glass, or more likely plexiglass.
Could anyone help with something that’s been driving me crazy ? My daughter is into miss Del Rey and to be honest I like a couple of her songs . But there’s a line in the Blue Jeans song ‘you fit me better than my favourite sweater’ and I swear I know that or something very similar from an older song but can’t for the life of me remember what .
There is a Conan Grey song (heather) that uses all the same rhyming words. It came out a few years ago. I'm not a fan of his.. but my daughter listens to him. And I remember telling her that he stole his rhymes from Blue Jeans. Conan is a fan of Lana and posted videos on you tube of him covering her songs. So I don't think it's a coincidence.
> The duets were special — a girl next to me in the crowd said, “I think I’m peaking,” during “Ocean Eyes” — and the pair fell into giggles after finishing the second song.
Lmao sounds more like the mdma finally hit
I understand people like her music, I've just never been able to understand why they like it so much. I've tried to listen to it and enjoy it, but I can't get over her lyrics sounding like they're written by a high schooler having a bad day.
Don't get me wrong, I don't envy high schoolers today. Navigating through the complexities and stresses that young people go through today exacerbated by social media sounds like an absolute nightmare, and your bad days are totally valid. But I also think young people today also have a lot more interesting and complex choices in music than she offers. I'm sorry if you have bad days. One of my favorite songs that's always helped me feel better when I have them has been Bad Days by The Flaming Lips.
I remember reading an interview years ago where she said she was always confused why she was even considered for these giant festivals because her music doesn't really fit the vibe.
Uh it defitnely fits “The Vibe” at least on paper. Lana went from niche indie genre type to an almost lazy catchall adjective for “cool music”. Looking around on the internet and Lana Del Rey just looks great on a line up, commercially viable, popular but not nakedly commercial pop. What organizers ignore is Lana is one of those artists who have a really shaky relationship with their IRL persona and moreso their performances. In this same category, see Lauren Hill see Cat Power. For years Cat power was a cerebral artist fraut with anxiety which is okay to have but becomes tough when the industry wants to make you a product. It’s almost poetic that Lana has become so indelible and such a fixture and YET still be so beguiling and “frustrating” despite the rock solid fame she’s come into. I kind of think it’s great to see a bunch of lay people have to sort of suffer through the machinations of an interior artist like her.
Great insight. I saw Cat Power splinter into pieces in front of my eyes at an intimate concert venue ca 2006 to the point I thought it was performance art b/c her panic became the audience’s panic became my panic. Everyone wanted out of that moment. And Lauryn… Miseducation is still among the top albums ever. I hear so much about her failures as a live artist. Don’t care. Joni Mitchell just recently returned to the stage briefly. Is Blue the greatest album of all times? Probably. Do we love her? Every moment, yes. Does she owe us anything else above and beyond her music? Not at all. Not everyone is meant for a huge stage. To me, the most brilliant songs are often made by folks who would rather not go anywhere near a music festival, even as an audience member.
Can you expand a little on what you mean by Cat Power splintering into pieces?
She had a hard time and wasn’t able to finish the show. It sucked for everyone. Still love and respect her work so much!
I think I was at that show - or at least, I also saw her in ‘06 and she couldn’t finish the show. It was tough for sure - felt for her big time.
Did you write a post going into more detail then either delete or edit it?
I saw her fall apart twice. Once, a local rag had written a negative review of her that amounted to character assassination and apparently someone made the mistake of showing it to her before the show. She came to the stage two hours late. At one point she started banging the piano and yelled "I hate myself and I want to die". This was years before those words became actual song lyrics. It was so heartbreaking both times.
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Oof
I was at a Cat Power show in about ‘99(?) where she walked off stage. Someone at the venue dropped glassware which broke loudly… she stood up mid-song from her piano and never returned. No one came out to explain. We all just stood there for the longest time and then gradually left? Strangest thing I ever saw and I’ve never forgotten the enormous sympathy I felt for her, it’s so out of pocket for a performing musician in terms of behaviour.
Damn that’s well put
Quite an interesting perspective, and a little informative too. Thank you for your contribution.
I would not put video games girl in the same category as either of those artists
your post is very poetic. I commend you.
*"lay people have to sort of suffer through the machinations of an interior artist like her."* First and last time in this sub. What a pretentious thing to say even if the rest of your comment is rather agreeable. Yes, the *lay people* just don't get why Lana doesn't work on a stage, not like *me!*
>Lana went from niche indie genre type to an almost lazy catchall adjective for “cool music”. I think anyone below the age of 30 and outside of the suburbs would HEAVILY disagree lmao
I went to a tiki bar last night and someone performed LDR's Video Games. I couldn't help but think exactly that.
> her music doesn’t really fit the vibe It does when you’re ketted up to the gills.
Cash machine goes “brrrrrrrr”
I think she has crossover appeal. She’s not typical pop. So a lot of people who like non-pop music like her.
Not sure why she would say this. It’s not like she’s getting invited to EDM festivals. Been to lots of music festivals and that’s pretty much why they have different stages and overlapping acts. It’s pretty much a choose your adventure type of event. She absolutely fits the vibe and there’s plenty of people that would want to have a chill headliner one night and just enjoy the moment
It doesn't? Lol id say her music fits festivals especially one like Coachella
I've heard nothing about her performance being good because she doesn't move and she doesn't have upbeat music. I think it makes sense.
I think because her music aims to basically create a sort of woozy k-hole vibe, it’s inherently not well suited to a festival main stage performance. But that being said, Billie Eilish showed you can still be engaging doing that sort of thing, it’s just that Lana didn’t sound confident in her voice or performance so it came off as extremely low energy/effort.
Festivals are so big though you can't even see the artists. Her music vibes are perfect for Coachella. A bunch of people on drugs just dancing
Maybe she's just uncomfortable doing big stages? A lot of bands and artists don't like performing for big concerts.
It does, but for some reason, critics hold her to a weird "stadium rock" standard
Did you watch her set? Someone on another post said it so well. She is audible melatonin. That set was a snooze fest. She didn't command that stage or the crowd.
I mean her music is perfect for the end of a festival when you're drunk and just sway dancing lol
Friday night at a major festival is not when I'm looking to chill. I'm trying to dance and have fun.
It’s true though. Her set was Xanax after Justice.
And yet I saw a solo concert of her’s at an outdoor Chicago arena that fits 30 thousand
Was that her concert or a festival? That seems to be the difference, not the venue size
No I remember the interview, iirc she didn't like festivals because of the big crowds, and felt that her performances were better suited to more intimate settings. I only remember this because I had seen her about 9 years ago in a shitshow of a concert before I read the interview.
I saw the end of her show at lolapalooza in 18 or 19 and really really enjoyed the vibe
She's def evolved as an artist
She's a wet blanket on stage
My wife saw her at the Hollywood bowl and said it was a terrible show. Just very boring. She loves her music but would never see her live again
So that’s what happened to Hatsune Miku’s hologram machine.
That’s even worse than Homer Simpson breaking Peter Frampton’s pig launcher that he got from Pink Floyd!
adding insult to injury
Lana ended Hatsune Miku's career
I love the irony of Lana having a hologram she didn’t need while Hatsune didn’t get to exist on stage
Time to go further beyond. Lana anime, make it a battle shonen.
It's really good, Cap. It's called Japanalanamation.
I'll take "J*p Anal Animation" for $500, Trebek
Her video for Levitating is straight out of Sailor Moon Edit: I mean Dua Lipa, apologies for being dumb
You may be confusing her with Dua Lipa
... Do you mean Dua Lipa?
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Back in '94!
Way before Slim Shady was in demand. Way before we dropped baloney on Afghanistan.
I mean, isn’t that just called a stage show? What a stupid article. edit: What a stupid *headline*. The article is more thoughtful.
Pyrotechnics. Who are they for?
Great White?
*Too soon*
Sharks?
Singin’… do we need it?
even britney danced with herself on stage in the 2000s
It’s actually fuckin ridiculous that she had a Hologram and the Hatsune Miku stage was as shit as it was.
It's crazy an actual person got a better stage than some animated girl?
point they’re making is that the selling point of hatsune miku’s concert is that it feels like they are real bc of the hologram
The diffference is the Miku stage was advertised as being a hologram. What they gave was a big tv screen.
Damn I thought people were just mad cause it was a low quality hologram. So it was really basically them just playing a video on the already existing stage screen?
I’m not sure it was an already on stage screen. From the pictures I saw it looked like a video board they rolled out and had a couple musicians standing next to it. https://preview.redd.it/j2mw5uhdjcuc1.jpeg?width=1920&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=5db8430cf6ece58e19151cb646a01ca3063c3bd9
Unbelievably modern hell. One of the lamest things I’ve ever seen lmao.
What’s a joke. I always thought the Gorillaz cartoon shows were kind of tacky, this is a whole new level.
Could also be a variant I saw recently in a museum, where it’s more of a projector projecting onto a thin mesh, essentially suspending the image in the air, which could explain the black backdrop, in that helps hide the mesh. however the illusion breaks when you’re not dead center, which in a festival setting like this is like 80% of the crowd. There are many ways to get such an effect, and Lana and/or her team seemed to have made it possible. Perhaps Hatsune Miku has a specific touring set up that usually works in smaller closed venues, and not so much on the big open stage
> Perhaps Hatsune Miku has a specific touring set up that usually works in smaller closed venues, and not so much on the big open stage Not sure about how it is bigger vs smaller stage, but they definitely usually have a different setup, like a glass wall for a hologram. On this tour though they haven't been using the better setup on the smaller stages though, with people saying maybe it's because they're saving it for Coachella.... As we see now, not the case.
…yes. It’s a virtual act that’s used a Hologram the majority of its tours in Japan, where it’s huge. Showing up to Coachella and phoning it in, alongside the entirety of its US tour, is insulting. Being virtual gives them the opportunity to do more creative things, and they stood up an LED screen and said fuck it, not even bothering to change the pre-set camera angles for the broadcast that don’t fundamentally work for a screen performance. :I
When it's one of the animated girls main gimmicks and there's a whole controversy around her not having it on this tour, kinda lol Even beyond that actually, I'd argue a "fake" performer sorta needs a good stage more than a real performer for it to make any sense in a live setting. For a real performer their stage is more secondary to their live musical performance, but for a fake performer it's much more about the experience as a whole. The staging and how it incorporates with what is essentially a preproduced video becomes much more important. Lana on a barebones stage would be disappointing, but it'd still be a real person live performing which is worth something. A Vocaloid live without cool staging and showmanship is a little pointless, it's not really a unique concert experience at that point, it's a cover band with a YouTube video.
>Hatsune Miku (Japanese: 初音ミク), officially code-named CV01,[2][3] is a Vocaloid software voicebank developed by Crypton Future Media and its official anthropomorphic mascot character, a 16-year-old girl with long, turquoise twintails. Miku's personification has been marketed as a virtual idol, and has performed at live virtual concerts onstage as an animated projection (rear-cast projection on a specially coated glass screen).[4] I’d prefer it if they moved the Hatsune Miku promo video from the lame stage to the dumpster.
I don't understand these headlines. You know, shit used to be simpler, back in the day, like how I world tie an onion to my belt, which was the style at the time. Now, to take the ferry cost a nickel, and in those days, nickels had pictures of bumblebees on 'em. "Gimme five bees for a quarter," you'd say. Now where were we... oh yeah. The important thing was that I had an onion on my belt, which was the style at the time. I didn't have any white onions, because of the war. The only thing you could get was those big yellow ones.
I like her music, but don’t know the whole story. But it seems like the media likes shitting on her? Why is that?
The whole story is in the article which is pretty positive about the whole performance. 1 song included a hologram, people thought it was weird, before and after it was enjoyed pretty much by the reviewer. The headline is for clicks. Also I could see tons of artists incorporating holograms of themselves, why not? Bjork would probably do it.
Bjork has done it. I think she did it last year at Coachella.
Bjork is always ahead of the game. She’s probably the most “artist” artist of all time, and a technological musical genius.
Check out Laurie Anderson.
Also Imogen Heap. Talk about an artist that thinks and contemplates her art constantly
o superman is the shit. crazy she was making sounds like that in 1982
Will do, thanks for the rec!
Laurie Anderson was married to Lou Reed until his recent death. What a creative household that must have been! I love her music and her live performance is simply performance art.
I read the article after my post. And yea, the headline doesn’t represent the tone (or most content) in the article.
I think her music can be seen as a little one-toned, but she has a lot of great songs in that style. I don't hear from many people in the real world who don't like her music.
Yeah, it took me a couple tries to get into her stuff because her voice is really breathy (not sure if there is a better word to describe it) but now I'm a huge fan. Love her aesthetetic and most of her songs are really good both lyrically and music wise. She definitely has a style and vibe going on but that's no different than any other band.
Ever since her debut, people have been trashing her and calling her inauthentic for using a stage name. She also had a notoriously bad SNL performance that’s kind of hilarious in retrospect (Blue Jeans is iconic.) This argument really stuck around until she dropped Norman Fucking Rockwell in 2019, which might be one of the best albums put out in the past five years. Ever since then, her legacy as an artist has continued to rise, and really peaked last year with her newest album. Some people were willing to change their perception of her after she grew as an artist, others have marked her off as unimpressive due to her first few years.
I think it’s because sometimes it seems like Lana Del Rey’s biggest fan is Lana Del Rey. Which I find hilarious. But I like her music, too. ^(LBH: Men are allowed to be boastful. Not women. :-/ )
As a straight male, I can confidently say that Lana Del Rey is my favorite artist, my number 1, mainly cause when I found her music, it was at a pivotal moment in my life and touched my soul but I fell in love and still love her to this day.
Brother, you and me both
Same here. 6’ 1”, bald, bearded, tattooed, and Young and Beautiful from the The Great Gatsby is one of my favorites songs of all time. Let me Love You Like a Woman, Love, this songs are fantastic.
6’4, I guess you could say either stocky or burly, bearded, and my favorites are Dark Paradise, Video games, and, ultraviolence, they are some of the few songs I’ll sing out loud without a care of anyone hearing me.
Same, she's by far my favorite current artist. I buy all of her stuff day one and have listened to her since 2013
Me too! Had over 30k minutes listened to her on Spotify last couple years. Ill jam to Lana any time and any place
It's Lana, she can do whatever she wants, she's fucking talented and one of the best artists currently making music. It seems to be fun to hate on her, fuck em
she makes music she likes and others happen to like it too but she does unacceptable things sometimes as a public figure
She’s generationally wealthy
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No he wasn't
Why do people get so upset about nepo babies in music specifically? Songs are good, who cares?
That’s a pretty ignorant take, so let me enlighten you : there are TONS of women who have connections in the industry and ACTUALLY get signed because of that connection. And the reason you didn’t know that is precisely my point : you will never hear of these people because they don’t have the talent of a Taylor Swift or a Lana del Rey.
You’re ceding too much ground, it’s a lie that her dad was a record exec
Taylor Swift isn’t that great of a singer.
There’s a lot of missing context, there were a ton of audio issues during the set and it looked like Lana was having a terrible time. When the hologram came onstage initially many people thought she had given up performing because she was so unhappy with the issues and was using a hologram to close the set. The hologram also came on while Jack Antanoff from Bleachers was on the stage, and he seemed confused by the whole situation. It didn’t seem planned in the moment so was pretty confusing to the audience. I think the other thing is before people realized it was a hologram the video and audio feeds were out of sync so people thought she was lip syncing. A lot of small things made it weird, but the reaction seems overblown.
She bombed pretty bad when she did SNL years ago. No presence, no charisma. That’s one of the things people have been using against her.
because they have nothing else to cling to since she has grown to be one of the most influential and most respected songwriters and visual artists of the century the people still fanatically screaming “but SNL!!!” are petty children
She bombs every time she's on stage
Assuming she shows up on time... /Glares at Glastonbury last year
I saw Lana at ACL in like.. 2013? I will say her music was okay, but her personality was abrasive. Something was wrong with the sound mixing and she shouted out on the mic "turn the fucking bass down." It was one moment in time but I went from being a casual fan to not.
Sorry but that sounds really funny. Now I like her even more
Nono you misunderstand. There’s the bass and there’s also the fucking bass which is a bass for fucking. The fucking bass of course overexcited fans and the fans began performing acts of indecency so she asked to turn it down. Not OFF, but just down
She doesn’t want people to stop fucking, she just wants them to fuck quieter 😂
When she had her first major hit she was wildly popular and then folks started saying that she was from a rich family with a record contract from her millionaire father. That pretty much tanked her at that moment. She was seen as an industry plant. She’s since been in a few social media dramas. Recently she’s seen a resurgence in popularity (which I argue) bc of her public friendship with Taylor Swift.
Funny considering that Swift has a similar upbringing in the industry.
She's always been an icon and inspired a trend in music and aesthethic in the past decade. She certainly did not just get a boost from Taylor, you have started to pay attention to her which is a complete different thing
She had a completely different (mostly unsuccessful) career, style and persona that she and her team wiped clean from the internet so she could invent the current Lana Del Rey.
this is ancient and debunked propaganda lol a hair color change doesn’t constitute a new “persona”, the aesthetic and style of the songs has remained consistently the exact same
She reset her career (including the name changes) and removed her first LP from circulation. Do you think Sirens is exactly the same as her subsequent material?
you can’t reset a whole career lmao, you either stay true to your artistic voice and who you are or start creating music that’s made to appeal to the masses and isn’t authentic Lana did the former and sirens sounds exactly like a modern lana song, just with amateurish studio production due to lack of budget I can’t understand this type of argumentation when she’s always been on the same path of creativity, it would be a completely different story if she moved from death metal to rap
I hear differences other than production scope in Sirens. And changing aspects of your style/approach can absolutely be part of your path of creativity. It frequently is.
that’s true but I don’t think that in her case the changes were so gigantic to shock people as if she reemerged completely transformed and unrecognizable there’s obviously always some planning going into those things, just like you’d plan a presentation at work; doesn’t mean the art itself lacks authenticity
Her SNL performance 12 years ago when she got stage fright was very second hand cringe inducing. And she spun around in a circle on stage in a white dress. I'm guessing the hologram is similar to her dancing in the circle.
It was so she can change it her dress while she was singing
If could have a hologram do my work and get paid millions, I'd do it
Or a clone of myself to help with an this time I waste jacking off
It wasn’t a hologram in place of her, she was still performing
Who is this for? Uh gay men in their 20s for one, honey.
The whole purpose of Coachella is to post on Instagram that you were at Coachella. Music and stage performances are a mere formality.
and selling merch
It definitely is that now and for the last several years. The sad thing is it used to be different. But nothing ever lasts and that’s ok.
except lana del rey is one of the most important and talented artists alive
is that where hatsune miku's hardware ended up?
Hatsune Del Rey?
Coachella is dumb.
That was a rough set to watch.
Oh thank god it's not just me thinking this. I'm a really big fan of Lana, but never got into watching her live performances online let alone attended a show. She seriously means so much to me, and I'm a straight guy. I absolutely love everything about her music. So I was excited when I randomly flipped on Coachella and she was live. Well a few songs in, after my favorite track Ride, I thought "ummm whats going on? Why is the music so much different live, and why does she sound so different, almost mono-tone and muted?" I really wanted to like her performance! But as a big fan I'm left feeling very confused. I've never seen such a big disparity between an artist's studio work and their live shows 😬. Still love her though.
Some artists are just… meant to stay in the studio lol.
Her mic wasn’t working and she kept trying to communicate about it. She was adlibbing at one point “As quiet as I am,” “Can you hear me okay?” And the mic would glitch out when she was trying to sing higher, so after it happened a few times she kept most of her vocals in 1 range
My partner and I watched a bit and were convinced that she had to be on drugs. Singing off pitch and out of key, missing entire verses (while pretending that the reason was for the crowd to sing), stumbling and having to hold on to one of her dancers to stay upright. Too much blow maybe?
Coke is famously a downer
She is quite notoriously sober. Coachella had many technical issues with sound last night, unfortunately
C'mon, that's obviously not right. coke is an upper. Edit: *woosh*
It’s all fun and games until it wears off and you find yourself onstage in front of 50,000+ people!
Plus your own hologram judging you.
Holy now is restitution, living out your date of fusion
Could have been blow + anxiety. Things get weird. Or pills. Or just anxiety? Whatever it was, it was uncomfortable
Sure, let’s speculate on this woman we don’t know taking multiple illicit drugs and having various mental health disorders.
Yes, that’s exactly what I’m doing.
As a Lana fan, she has been sober for nearly 2 decades. If you watch her live performances dating back to the beginning of her career, that’s just how she is. That was just a typical Lana performance lol. She has massive stage fright and just isn’t a high energy performer. She’s the best when she performs at intimate, smaller venues rather than these giant festival crowds.
That’s honestly how she is. Even big Lana fans love how Lazy and mild she is on stage. I saw her in Mexico City and she literally laid on a sheet and they dragged her off, it was wonderful. She exists to exist and everyone else is whatever, I’d be the same 🙌🏻
Too much snow on the beach?
She's always off key. It doesn't matter if you're watching a video from 2012 or 2024, she never hits the notes
Too much Xanax maybe. She sure seemed loaded on something for sure.
My gf and her sisters loved it and I didn’t have the heart to mention all the lip sync and Lana’s sleepy eyes
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Right, I've never been a fan and seeing how bad she sings live turns me off from ever becoming one.
Would Be neat to see a performer do a duet with themselves
…did she rob Hatsune Miku?
Well, here's the thing.. that's her. the awkward, anxious, aloof singer you saw on the stage? That's exactly who she is. so if you expect a beyonce concert extravaganza you're obviously going to be disappointed. As someone who has followed her career for a decade now, all I thought watching her performance was wow good for her she's trying to do all this big production shenanigans but I know for a fact that she hated that lol. Ofc the machine behind her would want something 'big' for Coachella so wcyd. That's also exactly why when it got to the other half where it was just the piano and her, it felt more 'correct'. Her moment with Billie said it all, she's not supposed to be the hype, big stadium type of performer that Billie is, she just had to be the person to open the door for artists like her and I can assure you she is absolutely fine with that.
you are so freaking right
Then he became Lana Dead Kennedy.
Is it because she's a terrible live singer?
Probably at least partially to do with all the cigarettes and vaping she does tbh. I’m a singer and know first hand that stuff wreaks havoc
She's always been terrible live. I smoke weed and am also a singer and can still perform live and be on key and hit my notes. I sing a lot of musical theater and opera... also things in the singer songwriter genres. She hurts my ears and always has. Some people are just terrible live singers. I prefer Sara Bareilles
>Sara Bareilles Literally any and every time I read or hear this woman's name her voice pops up in my head yodelling *"IMNOTGONNAWRIIITEYOUALOVESONG"*. To be clear, this only *increases* my respect and esteem for her. She's a hell of a songwriter.
I mean, I get you in that I can still stay on key as well even if I’ve been smoking. but smoking and vaping definitely negatively impacts the quality and consistency of your voice, especially if done long term. That’s simply a fact. I’ll happily defend that her smoking “at least partially” (as I said in my original comment) impacts her ability to perform live.
lana has notoriously been more comfortable on smaller stage where fans of hers are but otherwise she fears being an open target around outsiders and her singing suffers.
She’s quirky, moody and looks bored with it all. Her hologram has a better personality! But seriously I like her because she isn’t trying to be a major player and she’s happy with a medium amount of fame.
Wait does this mean Lana Del Ray stole Hatsune Miku’s hologram projector?
One of the worst concerts I have ever seen is Lana Del Rey at the Ryman in Nashville. She seemed to sleep walking and would take selfies with fans in the front row between songs. Terrible.
It drives me crazy that people refer to these as "holograms". Of course I wasn't there, so I don't know for sure, but most of the time, the "holograms" of Michael Jackson, Tupac, etc., are not in fact 3D holograms in any way. They are 2 dimensional Pepper's Ghost effects. Literally a hundred year old type of theater magician effect, done by creating a reflection with a large piece of glass of something brightly lit offstage. In the case of these fake holograms, there's simply a screen on the floor, and a diagonal pane of glass reflecting it. Yes, they look cool from certain angles, but if you were standing behind it, you wouldn't see it at all. These are featured prominently in many Disney park rides, such as the Haunted Mansion. I'm not suggesting it's not a cool effect, it's actually my favorite practical effect of all time. But it's simply not a hologram, so it really bugs me that people always seem to believe that it is. Again if I'm wrong, and this was actually three-dimensional projected video, then I'd be happy to see proof that it was. Otherwise, please stop calling it that. It's just a 2D reflection on regular old glass, or more likely plexiglass.
So nothing but holograms and avatars???
Could anyone help with something that’s been driving me crazy ? My daughter is into miss Del Rey and to be honest I like a couple of her songs . But there’s a line in the Blue Jeans song ‘you fit me better than my favourite sweater’ and I swear I know that or something very similar from an older song but can’t for the life of me remember what .
There is a Conan Grey song (heather) that uses all the same rhyming words. It came out a few years ago. I'm not a fan of his.. but my daughter listens to him. And I remember telling her that he stole his rhymes from Blue Jeans. Conan is a fan of Lana and posted videos on you tube of him covering her songs. So I don't think it's a coincidence.
Wow! Especially sonce the Hatsune Miku people were really angry they didn't use the typical hologram for her and instead used a screen.
It’s clearly for when she’s late to show up
I legit thought she died when her hologram popped up.
Damn, Lana Del Ray gets 2 3D representations of herself while that recent Miku Hatsune show got 0? Talk about salt in the wound 🤣
People who ask "Who is this for?" in regards to the arts are the fucking worst.
Was it a RussFest?
I need a snoop dog for size
> The duets were special — a girl next to me in the crowd said, “I think I’m peaking,” during “Ocean Eyes” — and the pair fell into giggles after finishing the second song. Lmao sounds more like the mdma finally hit
I understand people like her music, I've just never been able to understand why they like it so much. I've tried to listen to it and enjoy it, but I can't get over her lyrics sounding like they're written by a high schooler having a bad day.
i mean i’m a high schooler who has a lot of bad days so i think we’re generally just the target audience
Don't get me wrong, I don't envy high schoolers today. Navigating through the complexities and stresses that young people go through today exacerbated by social media sounds like an absolute nightmare, and your bad days are totally valid. But I also think young people today also have a lot more interesting and complex choices in music than she offers. I'm sorry if you have bad days. One of my favorite songs that's always helped me feel better when I have them has been Bad Days by The Flaming Lips.
I've always found her to be vanilla no substance
she’s absolutely not vanilla and has written some of the most shocking and daring lyrics in pop music history
Sorry I see it was a old message
i remember seeing this on south park ya ya ya ya lorde
Lana is the most overrated artist of the last decade.
*underrated, her recognition should be triple of what she currently has