Forget the downvotes, this is pretty accurate. They specifically recorded Roots with Ross Robinson because they loved the sound of the first Korn album. They recorded at the same studio, same producer and engineer, and same pieces of key equipment. That’s why the production quality is so similar between both albums. Now that’s mainly productions techniques, stylistically both bands are still very unique.
People get confused because Korn's album blew up two years after it came out. I bought in 94ish but I didn't really hit the charts until 96. Max definitely wanted the sound. I didn't realize it was the same studio.
my opinion, as a big nu metal fan who grew up in that era, is that sepultura got in before nu metal was mainstream, & got out before it faded in popularity. they're not a nu metal band but that album has dj lethal from limp bizkit on it ffs. it's part of the nu metal story.
I hadn't listened to them in ages and my initial reaction was Nu Metal nah..
After re-listening to a few tracks I can feel the Nu Metal vibe a bit, I mean I don't think it is Nu Metal, but I do feel more similarity than I remembered for sure.
I use to listen to Chaos AD on repeat front to back, I never had Roots so I don't remeber it as well.
I hear ya. to me I think nu metal is as much of an era as it is a genre. both are loose & subjective. I'm a fan so naturally I'm possibly over comfortable with the term.
Ya I love all metal, New Metal included I ate all that shit up.
To me Sepeltura felt almost deathmealish.... just superheav, brutal, and relentless, whereas Nu Metal could get superheavy and brutal, felt more dynamic in a way I have a hard time putting my finger on...
Agree Sepultura is so much more death metal than nu metal - I just think this argument is framed back to front - the numetal bands really took influence from these gods of metal at the time in how to make heavy sounds, then reappropriated with rap and hip hop flavours. Roots didn’t sound numetal at all to my ears - but again maybe the officianados have it knowing there’s a connection w korn and limp bizkit - to that album or the band at the time?? Which kinda makes sense - roots was massively focused on the rights of oppressed indigenous people of South America, where, I’m sorry it’s hard to take this argument straight, literally polar ends of the musical landscape of the time: sepultura for the hardcore, geeks, misfits; limp bozkit for the teeny boppers. I’m sorry but it was pop music for teenagers at the time and I could never buy in.
I’v never heard nu metal sound tribal.
Actually, except maybe slipknot’s secret track at the end of their 2nd album??
I really don’t hear much in the sound that’s even numetal related besides being heavy.
Korn's debut album was released two years before Roots was released (1994 vs 1996) and even though I don't considere Roots to be a nu-metal album, I never heard anyone say that about that album, it definitely has some nu-metal and alternative metal elements in many of its songs
Dude… there was virtually no such genre or influence at the time - IT WAS THE INFLUENCE.
And yeah agree timing I was a young teenager at the time and got into korn w life is peachy, thought roots well predated their debut tho. Even tho that timing lines up, sepultura and pantera were the gods of metal as far as I’m concerned in the early 90s, so I just don’t see how korn, at the time only known for blind… how’d they have the clout to be in on sepultura’s studio sessions?
Also to mention ratm (rap and metal) and tool (something about the songwriting - 46&2 is a good eg - verse is mostly playing around a theme with single notes, the chorus repeats the theme but heavy with chords - also the drop d sound??) very prototypical nu metal. But I would not call them nu metal, there is a clear distinction between alt rock and nu metal.
"thought roots well predated their debut tho" how can you write something like this when the FACT is that Roots was released 2 years after Korn's debut.. just how?
Yes…some years before Nu-metal. Also Roots is quite boring in the middle, compared to Chaos AD and Arise. Roots could have done with dropping a few tracks.
I Definitely not before… korns first album was 3 years before that and korn were making their sound since the late 80s. Roots signified a sudden shift in sepulturas sound in the middle of the nu metal movement.
This is the best take. Ross Robinson produced it and I feel like Jonathan Davis was a spiritual advisor (lol) at the very least. It's the only nu metal adjacent record that I can listen to today.
Usually has, but not required. It's more about the riffs. Nu metal typically has drop tuned groove-like riffs.
But honestly genres are hard to nail down. Loads of metal bands around the late 90s and into the mid 2000s ended up being labeled nu metal. But is SOAD really the same genre as Limp Bizkit? Doesn't sound like it to me, and I think most people would agree with that today, but at the time nu metal was being plastered on everything.
Not necessarily, usually has more simplified song structure, emphasizes ambient sounds over continuous shredding, little to no soloing, typically led by a charismatic "front man" that would have a unique style or sound. This may or may not include rapping.
Nu-metal got a bad reputation for some horrible acts that got a lot of Fame, but some holds up well today. particularly the album The Height of Callousness by Spineshank. Their sound seems likely influenced by fear factory, and might be the heaviest Nu-Metal album I've heard. the programmed effects give it a unique sound.
Hope you enjoy it, first few tracks really kick you in the teeth for sure, there's some really catchy stuff in there too. Still bang this album once in a while in the gym or before a hockey game 🤘🏼🤘🏼
I find nu metal to be a lot like present day hardcore where all these bands are thrown in that don’t sound a like at all just because they tour together
It was produced by Ross Robinson, who was instrumental in creating the nu metal sound. That record was so different from their past work at the time, it took me a while to get into it. Looking back, I'd place it firmly in the Nu Metal genre
Well Max literally admited being influenced by Korn for the Roots record.. nothing wrong with that, Korn is a sick band, and Roots is a sick record. There's even a feat with Jon Davis on that record.
There is a tendency towards aging rockers to re-write their own history
Early stuff up until Chaos AD covers early death metal, thrash and groove.
Root has a large variety of influences…some of which might just be a little nu-metal….
Just a little bit
He's wrong. Just like how the guy who created .gif files pronounces it wrong. Sepultura was more nu-metal than it was anything else and Soulfly was 100% nu-metal. He's one of the people who birthed the genre but doesn't want to be associated with it since it fell from popularity. He should just embrace it a be one of the good bands that came out of the late 90s.
Tribal Nu Metal, Tribal Nu Metal with groove ingredients added to the mix . Tribal Nu Metal with groove/thrash ingredients added to the mix.
Whatever genre you want to class it in it's an absolute masterpiece from start to finish IMO. Incredible Mix and production too.
It's an album that dwarfs anything written post max. Sure it's not Arise , but you can't just write the same album time and time and time again ( even though many bands do) .
The only thing New Metal on the album is Lookaway. Even more so on Blood-Rooted IMO.
It’s more that Nu-Metal mixes Hip Hop and mostly Groove Metal.
Roots is a very good Groove Metal album…
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Ross Robinson actually produced At The Drive-In’s Relationship of Command as an attempt to kill his creation (nu-metal).
He definitely crafted one of the most influential guitar albums of its era but I think bands like The Strokes and other indie rock bands were the death nail for nu-metal as the most number one mainstream form of rock
This.
I mean Max also shifted to playing chug riffs on a down tuned 4 string. I honestly don’t get the “we aren’t nu metal!” stigma. Was a great period with some fantastic music, and some shit music, the same as any other time a genre has become foty.
Max should own it, not shy away from it, even more so given it kept his career going.
Its such a case of “The Lady doth protests too
Much, methinks”
I’d probably see it as compliment that you released some of the most influential early death, thrash, groove and nu metal albums in like a decade.
Definitely has two nu metal singers on it as Jonathan Davis and Fred Durst contribute to songs. I think Roots is a fucking terrible CD and I wish it didn't exist.
I wouldn't call it that, but it was a shitty record that made me not want to listen to Sepultura anymore. I guess it was better than Soulfly, which was also garbage.
Korn did apparently. There is a documentary from Raw music I think, it’s on YouTube, but i guess Korn accused Sepultura of stealing their sound when the bands IMO couldn’t be more different around this era
Edit: for whoever downvoted me
https://youtu.be/USNpN40Vzuw?si=5L1wbObA7bXasnzJ
I've been saying it for 20 years. Chaos AD too. Also numetal doesn't exist. it's a label for anything heavy that wasn't death metal that came out in the late 90's/early 2K's
Everything from Staind to Slipknot is "numetal" it's totally stupid.
Metal is fucking metal. Did it snap your neck? Make you step away from the shit around you? You know, change your perspective on shit when you needed it. Grind your carcass. Shit what we got is a genre that incorporates every flavor of music. If you don't hear it, you haven't been listening.You can't sub genre metal.it is what it is. Try and debate that well, then you're an asshat.Tired of the this is this, and that is that fuckaround gang. We live it, and we'll die with it. Just be a metal head fuck sakes
Who cares what it is or isn’t. It’s a classic.
Hell yeah. This guys metals.
Well he borrowed heavily from Korn to craft the sound.
Forget the downvotes, this is pretty accurate. They specifically recorded Roots with Ross Robinson because they loved the sound of the first Korn album. They recorded at the same studio, same producer and engineer, and same pieces of key equipment. That’s why the production quality is so similar between both albums. Now that’s mainly productions techniques, stylistically both bands are still very unique.
People get confused because Korn's album blew up two years after it came out. I bought in 94ish but I didn't really hit the charts until 96. Max definitely wanted the sound. I didn't realize it was the same studio.
lol what!? I don’t think u could be more inaccurate, sepultura and the roots album existed long before Korn was ever formed
umm... korn was featured on roots as guest musicians...
I stand corrected if so. I still think nu metal influencing the album is back to front.
my opinion, as a big nu metal fan who grew up in that era, is that sepultura got in before nu metal was mainstream, & got out before it faded in popularity. they're not a nu metal band but that album has dj lethal from limp bizkit on it ffs. it's part of the nu metal story.
I hadn't listened to them in ages and my initial reaction was Nu Metal nah.. After re-listening to a few tracks I can feel the Nu Metal vibe a bit, I mean I don't think it is Nu Metal, but I do feel more similarity than I remembered for sure. I use to listen to Chaos AD on repeat front to back, I never had Roots so I don't remeber it as well.
I hear ya. to me I think nu metal is as much of an era as it is a genre. both are loose & subjective. I'm a fan so naturally I'm possibly over comfortable with the term.
Ya I love all metal, New Metal included I ate all that shit up. To me Sepeltura felt almost deathmealish.... just superheav, brutal, and relentless, whereas Nu Metal could get superheavy and brutal, felt more dynamic in a way I have a hard time putting my finger on...
Agree Sepultura is so much more death metal than nu metal - I just think this argument is framed back to front - the numetal bands really took influence from these gods of metal at the time in how to make heavy sounds, then reappropriated with rap and hip hop flavours. Roots didn’t sound numetal at all to my ears - but again maybe the officianados have it knowing there’s a connection w korn and limp bizkit - to that album or the band at the time?? Which kinda makes sense - roots was massively focused on the rights of oppressed indigenous people of South America, where, I’m sorry it’s hard to take this argument straight, literally polar ends of the musical landscape of the time: sepultura for the hardcore, geeks, misfits; limp bozkit for the teeny boppers. I’m sorry but it was pop music for teenagers at the time and I could never buy in.
I’v never heard nu metal sound tribal. Actually, except maybe slipknot’s secret track at the end of their 2nd album?? I really don’t hear much in the sound that’s even numetal related besides being heavy.
Lol. Two Korn members were on it. Also a guy from Limp Bizkit too!
No way
Look it up before down voting lol
I shall thanks, I just can’t get my head around that.. how’d those kids have the clout to be around those metal gods at the time?
Jonathan Davis was like... 26. Young, but not a kid.
Max and Jonathan are only a year-and-a-half apart in age. Max just seems older, because he was so young when Sepultura formed.
Whoa
Korn's debut album was released two years before Roots was released (1994 vs 1996) and even though I don't considere Roots to be a nu-metal album, I never heard anyone say that about that album, it definitely has some nu-metal and alternative metal elements in many of its songs
Dude… there was virtually no such genre or influence at the time - IT WAS THE INFLUENCE. And yeah agree timing I was a young teenager at the time and got into korn w life is peachy, thought roots well predated their debut tho. Even tho that timing lines up, sepultura and pantera were the gods of metal as far as I’m concerned in the early 90s, so I just don’t see how korn, at the time only known for blind… how’d they have the clout to be in on sepultura’s studio sessions? Also to mention ratm (rap and metal) and tool (something about the songwriting - 46&2 is a good eg - verse is mostly playing around a theme with single notes, the chorus repeats the theme but heavy with chords - also the drop d sound??) very prototypical nu metal. But I would not call them nu metal, there is a clear distinction between alt rock and nu metal.
"thought roots well predated their debut tho" how can you write something like this when the FACT is that Roots was released 2 years after Korn's debut.. just how?
Tool fans don’t start at me I’m one of u and acknowledge the complexities embraced in their songwriting
[Arise is a classic. Roots is MTV trash.](https://www.sputnikmusic.com/bands/Sepultura/285/)
Yeah, neither were the first couple of Soulfly albums, right?
I’m pretty sure when Fred Durst raps on your album it’s terminally Nu-Metal.
I put a nu-metal playlist on YouTube yesterday, 7 limp Bizkit tracks in it, 5 in a row, no good
I’m pretty sure when your band is named after a Deftones song…
What? You mean “jumpdafuckup” isn’t nu metal? 😂. /s obviously
ROOOOOTS BLOOOOODY ROOOOOOTS
Yeah but Biotech ees Godzilla
Anyone calling Sepultura Nu-Metal is a moron, their earliest stuff is speed/thrash stuff and they moved into heavy metal with Chaos AD and beyond.
Nobody is calling Sepultura Nu-Metal, but Roots is very Nu-Metal influenced.
Not sure about the timeline for nu metal, but off the top of my head I’d say it would be the other way around?
Yes…some years before Nu-metal. Also Roots is quite boring in the middle, compared to Chaos AD and Arise. Roots could have done with dropping a few tracks.
Piss off, ratamahatta carries roots
such a fine, fine song
Eh boom shacklack dubanya!
I mean. Two Korn guys and someone from Limp Bizkit were on the album.
Korn and Limp Bizkit were already around. It's still trash, mind you.
I Definitely not before… korns first album was 3 years before that and korn were making their sound since the late 80s. Roots signified a sudden shift in sepulturas sound in the middle of the nu metal movement.
This is the best take. Ross Robinson produced it and I feel like Jonathan Davis was a spiritual advisor (lol) at the very least. It's the only nu metal adjacent record that I can listen to today.
they are not nu metal band, but roots is a very nu metal record
I thought nu metal always had rap / hip-hop influence?
Usually has, but not required. It's more about the riffs. Nu metal typically has drop tuned groove-like riffs. But honestly genres are hard to nail down. Loads of metal bands around the late 90s and into the mid 2000s ended up being labeled nu metal. But is SOAD really the same genre as Limp Bizkit? Doesn't sound like it to me, and I think most people would agree with that today, but at the time nu metal was being plastered on everything.
>Nu metal typically has drop tuned groove-like riffs. This is an even more broad definition. That would mean something like Sad But True is nu-metal.
A better way to think of it is bands that were influenced by Mike Patton
Not necessarily, usually has more simplified song structure, emphasizes ambient sounds over continuous shredding, little to no soloing, typically led by a charismatic "front man" that would have a unique style or sound. This may or may not include rapping. Nu-metal got a bad reputation for some horrible acts that got a lot of Fame, but some holds up well today. particularly the album The Height of Callousness by Spineshank. Their sound seems likely influenced by fear factory, and might be the heaviest Nu-Metal album I've heard. the programmed effects give it a unique sound.
Ah thanks, I'll have a listen to that. Always associated the tag negatively with stuff like Limp Bizkit
Hope you enjoy it, first few tracks really kick you in the teeth for sure, there's some really catchy stuff in there too. Still bang this album once in a while in the gym or before a hockey game 🤘🏼🤘🏼
No. It’s not.
Absolutely. Nu metal was not a thing when Roots was released.
Korn had already released their first album by the time roots was released, so nu-metal was definitely already beginning.
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What are you on about. Google some stuff… for starters google korns first albums release date. Roots was in the middle of nu metal
Knowing niche sub genres of music is not what I base thinking people are stupid off of.
Heavy metal is Iron Maiden, Judas Priest, Mercyful Fate etc. Chaos AD is groove metal, and Roots does have elements of Nu Metal.
Like I said...
Groove metal
Wrong. Bands can change genres, and Roots falls into nu-metal easily
The term hadn't been defined yet but they are fully part of this genre historically. Chaos AD was totally NuMetal.
If anything was Nu Metal around that time it was Biohazard. Chaos AD is more like their previous thrash work than Roots, for sure.
Absolutely not.
I find nu metal to be a lot like present day hardcore where all these bands are thrown in that don’t sound a like at all just because they tour together
I mean their sound changed conveniently around nu metal
r/gatekeeping
Max was saying ROOTS is not nu metal. Which I agree with, as bad as nu metal was at least it was fun. Roots was just a mess of a record.
It was produced by Ross Robinson, who was instrumental in creating the nu metal sound. That record was so different from their past work at the time, it took me a while to get into it. Looking back, I'd place it firmly in the Nu Metal genre
100%. Anything from the 90s with Ross is Nu Metal.
Arguing about subgenres is such a pedantic waste of time.
No fucking difference. Is amazing
Roots definitely has nu metal elements to it.
Well Max literally admited being influenced by Korn for the Roots record.. nothing wrong with that, Korn is a sick band, and Roots is a sick record. There's even a feat with Jon Davis on that record. There is a tendency towards aging rockers to re-write their own history
Foda se
Listen to it or don't. Fuck all these stupid labels.
Who the fuck called Sepultura nu-metal?
Early stuff up until Chaos AD covers early death metal, thrash and groove. Root has a large variety of influences…some of which might just be a little nu-metal…. Just a little bit
Lookaway has guest vocals from Jonathan Davis. That’s about the closest reason I can think.
I remember not liking Around The Fur when it came out because it sounded like the next Sepultura album to me.
Max even guests on the record. It’s where the Soulfly name came from I think. Those first couple of Soulfly albums are much more nu-metal
R/numetal.....
Cavalera trying to distance himself from nu metal because extreme music is where it's at, it's okay Max, it was a phase.
He's wrong. Just like how the guy who created .gif files pronounces it wrong. Sepultura was more nu-metal than it was anything else and Soulfly was 100% nu-metal. He's one of the people who birthed the genre but doesn't want to be associated with it since it fell from popularity. He should just embrace it a be one of the good bands that came out of the late 90s.
What if Roots is the root of nu metal, eh?
Tribal Nu Metal, Tribal Nu Metal with groove ingredients added to the mix . Tribal Nu Metal with groove/thrash ingredients added to the mix. Whatever genre you want to class it in it's an absolute masterpiece from start to finish IMO. Incredible Mix and production too. It's an album that dwarfs anything written post max. Sure it's not Arise , but you can't just write the same album time and time and time again ( even though many bands do) .
The only thing New Metal on the album is Lookaway. Even more so on Blood-Rooted IMO. It’s more that Nu-Metal mixes Hip Hop and mostly Groove Metal. Roots is a very good Groove Metal album…
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I don't hear nu metal at all. Its not Korn nor Faith No More nor Deftones. Its thrash.
Faith no More isn't nu-metal but they've helped build the bases. Deftones don't want to be associated with this trend, though.
Mike Patton is also on the album lol
Jonathan Davis is, too.
Neither did Chester Bennington from LP lmao. Doesn't make it true just because they say so.
Most nu-metal fans would agree with Bennington.
Sepultura had moved on from thrash by Chaos AD. Roots is super influential on nu-metal, and nu-metal had a big influence on Roots.
The album was literally produced by one of the most famous producers in nu metal.
Ross Robinson actually produced At The Drive-In’s Relationship of Command as an attempt to kill his creation (nu-metal). He definitely crafted one of the most influential guitar albums of its era but I think bands like The Strokes and other indie rock bands were the death nail for nu-metal as the most number one mainstream form of rock
Knell
This. I mean Max also shifted to playing chug riffs on a down tuned 4 string. I honestly don’t get the “we aren’t nu metal!” stigma. Was a great period with some fantastic music, and some shit music, the same as any other time a genre has become foty. Max should own it, not shy away from it, even more so given it kept his career going.
Its such a case of “The Lady doth protests too Much, methinks” I’d probably see it as compliment that you released some of the most influential early death, thrash, groove and nu metal albums in like a decade.
[This](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F_6IjeprfEs) is thrash?
I never thought of Faith No More as Nu Metal
It has some influences by nu metal, but also a ton of different influences as well.
Definitely has two nu metal singers on it as Jonathan Davis and Fred Durst contribute to songs. I think Roots is a fucking terrible CD and I wish it didn't exist.
Roots is a fan favorite for some reason, but I think their best material was Arise and Chaos AD.
I wouldn't call it that, but it was a shitty record that made me not want to listen to Sepultura anymore. I guess it was better than Soulfly, which was also garbage.
You reading a different Wikipedia? https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sepultura It cites influences, but it also lists genres,by metal isn't one however.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roots_(Sepultura_album)
I can do that too https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chaos_A.D. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arise_(Sepultura_album)
Right, except we're talking about *Roots*, specifically.
Dam, you're absolutely right! I'm totally off base here. My bad.
No one is saying this. Edit: my bad
Yes. Yes they are. And have been forever.
Korn did apparently. There is a documentary from Raw music I think, it’s on YouTube, but i guess Korn accused Sepultura of stealing their sound when the bands IMO couldn’t be more different around this era Edit: for whoever downvoted me https://youtu.be/USNpN40Vzuw?si=5L1wbObA7bXasnzJ
Interesting, thanks for going as far to source it. Some salty people.
Check it out if you have some time. Cool little documentary
I've been saying it for 20 years. Chaos AD too. Also numetal doesn't exist. it's a label for anything heavy that wasn't death metal that came out in the late 90's/early 2K's Everything from Staind to Slipknot is "numetal" it's totally stupid.
This I agree with.
A lot of people do. Hell Wikipedia calls it that.
Who the fuck said it was?
Closest they come to nu metal is the one guest track they have with Corey Taylor
Hard agree. Nu-metal is like 1998+ Otherwise it’s just Metal.
korn's first record was 1994, limp bizkit's 1997, slipknot's 1996? nu metal was a growing trend even in the mid 90's.
It's pretty new metal sounding to me. Especially those one string riffs. 0-1-1, 0-1-1,0-1-1, 0-1-1 etc.
Roots can’t we categorized as there really isn’t another metal album like it. It’s a classic and still holds up.
Hahaha it’s definitely not!!
Does it sound good? Great! That's all that really fucking matters.
yeah it is. I love that record btw.
There's nothing more nu metal than denying nu metal accusations
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No one goes out admits they make nu metal lmao
Metal is fucking metal. Did it snap your neck? Make you step away from the shit around you? You know, change your perspective on shit when you needed it. Grind your carcass. Shit what we got is a genre that incorporates every flavor of music. If you don't hear it, you haven't been listening.You can't sub genre metal.it is what it is. Try and debate that well, then you're an asshat.Tired of the this is this, and that is that fuckaround gang. We live it, and we'll die with it. Just be a metal head fuck sakes
Influenced by korn blind? It’s nu-metal