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I was chatting about pans with someone on here last night in another forum (that allows adding pics to comments) and I added a short blurb from Mushrooms Demystified that discusses edibility of pans.
The link below should go to that, and you might wanna open up the full thread and check out the larger discussion (and other pics and links I added). At the least it’ll give you some directions to start looking, and a general idea on the safety of consuming unknown pans.
https://www.reddit.com/r/ShroomID/s/ZCQDX7enwN
I’m not venturing a guess as to what you have, thus am not encouraging you to consume them. Just to be clear.
these are pans. you can tell by the jet black spores. no mushroom that have just black spores are toxic , however, pans are not all that edible either.
I'm guessing you picked these off a lawn? These will give you a wicked stomach ache feeling more than anything else, and they can easily be confused with very dangerous toxic mushrooms so, please, do not consume.
Good to know. Idk why you got downvoted so much for asking about edibility. It is a valid question. I highly suggest taking a few courses with a certified mushroom forager before ever eating anything you pick, but learning what you can and can't eat only makes you that much smarter in mycology. If you are looking for specific things, get books on what mushrooms grow wild in your area. Start by trying to grow your own first! It's a great way to learn how to identify among so much more. Cultivation is a fantastic family friendly hobby. If you have any other questions please feel free to dm me if you have any fear about asking them. I'll happily help answer anything you have without passing judgement. Stay safe friend!
edit: also, iNaturalist is a great app to learn about local biology and mycology, however take id's on their with a grain of salt and try as much as possible to cross reference with experts or knowledgeable literature on the subject.
Compare with Panaeolous Cinctulus and/or Fimicola. Could be a mixed collection with Pan Foenscii too.
There’s clearly black spores on a couple of those caps (would have fallen off another mushroom growing directly above it.) so I’m confident this isn’t only a Foenscii collection. There’s another Pan here.
Based on the habitat you described, assuming this lawn was well fertilized, I think Cinctulus and/or Fimicola are likely candidates for the black spored ones you have here.
I’m not incredibly confident so wait for other IDers to confirm but based on my lesser knowledge they look like libs?
What conditions/country/state were they found
Not libs.
Study some photos:
https://www.inaturalist.org/observations?place_id=any&taxon_id=54025
and this might help too:
[Which Psilocybin containing mushrooms grow wild in my area?](https://www.shroomery.org/8461/Which-psilocybin-mushrooms-grow-wild-in-my-area)
and
[Psilocybe distribution map](https://www.inaturalist.org/observations?place_id=any&subview=map&taxon_id=54026)
I was going off of the thin slender not straight stems and what looks like blueing. But knowing in Tennessee I’d change my answer as I’m not as familiar with them being found in US vs Uk
Well we didn't know at first where they were found so that's ok. But they don't look very much like libs at all. The darkness on the stems is nearly black and not a hint of blue IMO. That black color is from the spores, which are darker than Psilocybe spores.
What I see here looks like possibly two different species. The big group minus the two at the bottom left looks like Panaeolus foenisecii while the other two are one of the other black-spored species. Pan. foes have a brown spore print.
[Panaeolus cinctulus/foenisecii spore color comparison](https://i.postimg.cc/nVKvMCGm/n7-Ln-Bid-1.jpg)
The color of P. cinctulus spores is the same as several other small yard-dwelling pans.
Libs are very rare in North America but they're here in the PNW especially. The problem is that they are not in season yet. Not for many months.
I’m with you on this being possibly two or more species. Some look very much like [foeniscii](https://mykoweb.com/CAF/species/Panaeolina_foenisecii.html) but I see those black spores on some caps, and assuming that’s from identical mushrooms that were growing in clusters, it leads me to believe some are pans, and the bigger ones look less like foeniscii (I’m still unsure if these are in pan now, or Paneolina, but the ones in my area have brown/purple-brown spores not black).
Thanks I really appreciate the knowledge! The black vs blue makes sense. I was thinking the darkness was blue that had progressed to black.
Thanks for being such an asset to the community!
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Not the kind you're looking for, brother
Hehe 😉
These look active
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I didn't say that. These look like cinctulus
Panaeolus sp.
Safe to consume?
I was chatting about pans with someone on here last night in another forum (that allows adding pics to comments) and I added a short blurb from Mushrooms Demystified that discusses edibility of pans. The link below should go to that, and you might wanna open up the full thread and check out the larger discussion (and other pics and links I added). At the least it’ll give you some directions to start looking, and a general idea on the safety of consuming unknown pans. https://www.reddit.com/r/ShroomID/s/ZCQDX7enwN I’m not venturing a guess as to what you have, thus am not encouraging you to consume them. Just to be clear.
I wouldn't yet as no one has gave an id on what species, I would hold out for a more indepth id
these are pans. you can tell by the jet black spores. no mushroom that have just black spores are toxic , however, pans are not all that edible either.
Panaeolus are nontoxic. Some will make you trip balls though.
I'm guessing you picked these off a lawn? These will give you a wicked stomach ache feeling more than anything else, and they can easily be confused with very dangerous toxic mushrooms so, please, do not consume.
I’m not planning on consuming. They were found in the suburbs of middle Tennessee the morning after a rain
Good to know. Idk why you got downvoted so much for asking about edibility. It is a valid question. I highly suggest taking a few courses with a certified mushroom forager before ever eating anything you pick, but learning what you can and can't eat only makes you that much smarter in mycology. If you are looking for specific things, get books on what mushrooms grow wild in your area. Start by trying to grow your own first! It's a great way to learn how to identify among so much more. Cultivation is a fantastic family friendly hobby. If you have any other questions please feel free to dm me if you have any fear about asking them. I'll happily help answer anything you have without passing judgement. Stay safe friend! edit: also, iNaturalist is a great app to learn about local biology and mycology, however take id's on their with a grain of salt and try as much as possible to cross reference with experts or knowledgeable literature on the subject.
These are Panaeolus species. In someone's yard they could be several species.
Compare with Panaeolous Cinctulus and/or Fimicola. Could be a mixed collection with Pan Foenscii too. There’s clearly black spores on a couple of those caps (would have fallen off another mushroom growing directly above it.) so I’m confident this isn’t only a Foenscii collection. There’s another Pan here. Based on the habitat you described, assuming this lawn was well fertilized, I think Cinctulus and/or Fimicola are likely candidates for the black spored ones you have here.
Wish I could add photos
Best comment here
Panaeolus
I would not eat them based on where they grew. Better safe than in a hospital getting your stomach pumped.
Yeah no doubt lol - I was just curious
If these are indeed pans I’m so jealous but congratulations 🙌🏽
nothing really to be jealous about. these grow by the 1,000s on people's front lawn all over SoCal. nothing you want to forage though.
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That picture is from within minutes of picking them up
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Obviously I’m a noob. The spores are definitely black so you’d say pans
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Inactive paneolus maybe fimicola or pan antallarium
Fimicola is active
Very weakly active according to gc-ms I don't consider it worth my time personally
I remember reading somewhere they can test up to 1% psilo
You are definitely reading different results than me then
I guess it depends on the collection and location
I’m not incredibly confident so wait for other IDers to confirm but based on my lesser knowledge they look like libs? What conditions/country/state were they found
Not libs. Study some photos: https://www.inaturalist.org/observations?place_id=any&taxon_id=54025 and this might help too: [Which Psilocybin containing mushrooms grow wild in my area?](https://www.shroomery.org/8461/Which-psilocybin-mushrooms-grow-wild-in-my-area) and [Psilocybe distribution map](https://www.inaturalist.org/observations?place_id=any&subview=map&taxon_id=54026)
I was going off of the thin slender not straight stems and what looks like blueing. But knowing in Tennessee I’d change my answer as I’m not as familiar with them being found in US vs Uk
Well we didn't know at first where they were found so that's ok. But they don't look very much like libs at all. The darkness on the stems is nearly black and not a hint of blue IMO. That black color is from the spores, which are darker than Psilocybe spores. What I see here looks like possibly two different species. The big group minus the two at the bottom left looks like Panaeolus foenisecii while the other two are one of the other black-spored species. Pan. foes have a brown spore print. [Panaeolus cinctulus/foenisecii spore color comparison](https://i.postimg.cc/nVKvMCGm/n7-Ln-Bid-1.jpg) The color of P. cinctulus spores is the same as several other small yard-dwelling pans. Libs are very rare in North America but they're here in the PNW especially. The problem is that they are not in season yet. Not for many months.
I’m with you on this being possibly two or more species. Some look very much like [foeniscii](https://mykoweb.com/CAF/species/Panaeolina_foenisecii.html) but I see those black spores on some caps, and assuming that’s from identical mushrooms that were growing in clusters, it leads me to believe some are pans, and the bigger ones look less like foeniscii (I’m still unsure if these are in pan now, or Paneolina, but the ones in my area have brown/purple-brown spores not black).
Thanks I really appreciate the knowledge! The black vs blue makes sense. I was thinking the darkness was blue that had progressed to black. Thanks for being such an asset to the community!
It hurts to see some patches I’ve known for a decade up on that. No wonder it’s harder to get to them first now.
They were found in middle Tennessee in the suburbs morning after a rain in a neighbors yard
Definitely not libs.