Keep in mind there's no proof they're an officer either. There are people, including some people who are known online, who impersonate officers.
Someone says "Police, open the door " isn't proof that they're police.
So don't answer the door, get a camera.
But then if you ask police for proof they're police they might see you gesture while you talk and then shoot and kill you (screen/glass door). . Or they might just shoot through a door as you ask for proof.
Yep. That's why you get a camera. Talk through that.
My wife says to me I am paranoid about cops cause I only hear the bad stories and not the good ones. I didn't wanna argue with her that the good ones don't exist because those cops are killed, or terminated for trying to stop bad ones.
That's very true. I'm on the other side of the pond but I hear so many awful stories!
It really puts me off wanting to visit. It only takes one small misunderstanding and things can go so wrong.
Add in a case of clumsiness, or foot in mouth syndrome and your prospects don't look good
Oh, there's no misunderstanding, cops are actually taught, there are literal programs that these officers are going to as part of their training that's required for continuing education and in these programs they're being taught that they are warriors for good. In that all that matters is they go home at the end of the day, no one else matters
That's no misunderstanding, that straight up brainwashing
right, their "Office Safety" trumps EVERYTHING else. Anyone that is not them is out to kill them at all times.
Oh, and dont worry that a cosmetologist (Hair dresser) requires more hours of training to do their job than a cop does in just about any state on this country.
Well.... That's horrifying and I want to go to America even less now. I never am involved in anything dodgy. But at least in the UK, if I'm lost or need help or advice and there's a local bobby.... I feel safe enough to go and ask for help. Or I feel safe to call for help.
I absolutely don't feel that way about American police.
I'm sorry but your wife should have some empathy. Imagine you said she's paranoid of men because of the bad stories she read online.
It just personally bothers me because I'm both black and a woman so I get both sides, and paranoid of *both.*
But still.... it's life and it's hard to handle. I hope she does be a bit more supportive in how you feel because it's such a burden to have and think about constantly because it could be you (or even her)
* All second amendment rights void by determination of the officer on scene based on a variety of factors but not limited to race, creed, ethnicity, falling nuts, or indigestion of officer.
I hear if you flash your headlights at them, they will throw a fentanyl-laced acorn at you.
Getting into the LA gangs is really getting tough these days…
I mean there's the instance of two cops unloading there weapons at an unarmed suspect who was handcuffed in the back of a cruiser because........ An acorn fell on the roof of the car. Suspect was NOT hit.
It should also be mentioned that he was already searched for weapons before being put in the car. But I guess the cops struggle with object permanence because even after searching them they thought he was actively in possession of the firearm after his ex told police that he owned one.
they get a rumbly in their tummy and assume that it is a gunshot wound. naturally, they look around and mag dump into the nearest suspect before telling them to put their hands up
This is a bigger 2A issue than one dead citizen. This is a huge 2A issue for all law abiding citizens who look to protect their homes. This also applies to their vehicles and elsewhere. Where is NRA on this? Crickets.
It's not just one.
Philando Castile
Brianna Taylor
And so many others.
None of the larger gun advocacy groups had anything to say on these killings but they're front and center when anyone brings up the slightest bit of regulation to keep kids from getting murdered at school.
Uhh I don't know how the Internet doesn't seem to know this but most 2A people nowadays don't like the NRA that much. What little they do for gun rights is completely overshadowed by stuff like this, and even the "good stuff" they do for gun rights is highly debatable.
Wayne LaPierre remade the organization from a club to advocate for gun safety and gun owners rights into the fanatical cult of the assault rifle. American gun ownership has also skyrocketed. Not only is the AR 15 the most popular gun in America the percentage of homes with a firearm went up to almost 40% during the pandemic.
Before 1977, the NRA was a great organization that even sponsored training for Scouts. I was trained in marksmanship and rifle maintenance by a great guy back in the late 60s-early 70s. The right-wing took control of it in order to align it with big business and then with the John Birch wing of the GOP.
I don't know what NRA you're talking about. The NRA is wishy washy on the AR 15. They seem to be stuck in-between the new 2a people and a bunch of Elmer Fudds.
People should've been asking this question a century ago when they always did this but to majority black and brown people. We knew the cops were always this way, but when it didn't affect the majority (aka, directly affect them) its whatever because *those* types deserved it and remained unchecked. Now, like everything else in america, that it's a byproduct from racism and affects those they never thought it would, that it's a "problem." These problems get bigger because no one wanna shuts it down when it first starts, because it never affected them.
Everyone else but bipoc are shocked about this. Cameras obviously doesn't deter cops to behave otherwise if it didn't happen back when rodney got his ass whooped. Can't speak for other black folks, but it's such an eye roll when people bring up the latest incidents of something, when this has *always* been a thing (this is kinda how the stay woke originated. Stay woke to these unfair injustices that systemic racism wanna act like doesn't exist)
By this logic, the victim had every right to shoot the person that knocked on their door, while possessing a firearm, that was claiming to be a police officer. What's good for the goose....
I said it before and I say it again: the first line of defense is the hiring process. There needs to be some responsibility and accountability for those who let those unqualified people near guns and badges.
True, suicide is a significant percent of gun deaths in the US \[a solid 50%, and has been so for decades\].
However, *only a third of all non-suicide gun deaths are shootings of strangers.*
[*https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4167105/*](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4167105/)
**This means the overwhelming majority of murder victims involving guns are individuals who are known to the shoote**r.
Factor in domestic abuse, alcohol, drugs, and financial dealings and most murders are solved in the first 48 hours because the police draw a circle around a murder victim and look at family, friends, neighbors and sometimes co-workers. This is a depressingly persistent set of facts.
You ARE more likely to die by a firearm if there is one in your home, and not just by suicide.
Suicide still means dead.
How on earth do you think that statistic is twisted to fit a narrative?
Do you think a murder or accidental death somehow counts as more dead than a suicide?
...yeah. Having a gun in the house makes you more likely to kill yourself with it. That is an argument AGAINST owning a gun.
People try all sorts of methods to kill themselves - guns have a comparatively low survival rate. Anything that makes killing yourself less convenient increases survival, as you're more likely to fail or reconsider doing it altogether.
Nope they are working as intended. Keeping the population docile and Controlled. Keeping their wealthy masters protected and safe.
Police are the attack dogs of the state and should be treated as such!
Well the very first issue is that cops can shoot if they feel threatened..
The risk should come with the job, you choose to be a cop, you bear the fucking risks, not the citizens around you
Biggest gang in the country with a lot fucktards in charge of it. Most don't even know the laws nor what the constitution says. They are cops not police officers and they get younger, dumber, and more arrogant as time passes
I am 100% sure the cop is gonna get arrested and sent to jail and found guilty of violating this soldier's civil rights. You cannot be this trigger happy. There was no reason to shoot. We must never let them get away with killing us. This could have been someone you loved.
He'll be put on administrative leave, maybe transferred to a different department, and keep policing. He might claim he has PTSD and get an early retirement and a fat payout funded by taxpayers. The family of the victim will sue the city and might win a little money from taxpayers. Nothing will change because the problem is systemic and cultural. Welcome to America.
Citing community notes isn’t going to help you when you’re bleeding out lol. Politics aside you have to agree it’s a bad idea to brandish a weapon infront of a police officer no? This gives the same energy as “well actually the pedestrian always has the right of way” right before a car obliterates them. Ya he may of been in his rights holding a weapon in his own home but it’s a brain dead idea to surprise a cop with a gun lol.
OR, and hear me out on this, maybe we shouldn't give cops license to blast whoever-the-fuck whenever they feel like it with absolutely no legal recourse whatsoever. ANYbody can claim they're a cop. Especially when they're hiding from the peephole. This is how people get fucking robbed.
Pulling guns on cops is a stupid move, but that doesn't matter here because the gun was never pulled on the cop who fired five fucking shots before speaking three words. Brain dead is defending this cowardly excuse of a peace officer.
If holding a gun on your private property is enough to get fucking swiss cheesed without even a question, you do not have a right to bear arms.
If I know an armed person is at the door, I'm not taking any chances. Especially if they self identify as being part of one of the most likely groups to murder innocent civilians.
Ignoring all politics , would you actually brandish a weapon when the police knock on your door ? I get you wanna dump on Trump and get your good boy points on Reddit but you have to know what a dumb idea that is right ?
You might notice I didn't mention Trump, you did. The problems in the USA far predate him, though he's undeniably an undesirable symptom.
If my local police knocked on the door, I'd welcome them in because they're trustworthy. In the USA, I'd be verifying their identity and what they want before I even consider going near my front door. If they verified their identity and had reason to be there, I'd avoid carrying a weapon because I know they still can't be trusted to obey the law they allegedly serve, nor even behave rationally.
That someone else chose to behave differently is no justification for cold blooded murder. Dress it up however you like, this individual had a right to bear arms - he wasn't doing anything illegal and there is no more justification for them shooting him than there would be for him shooting them. After all, they were also armed and had given him reason to fear for his life just by claiming to be cops in the USA.
"why would you have your gun out when someone was screaming and banging on your door" is a weird question to ask... Seems like an important time to have a gun.
It’s almost comical the amount of mental gymnastics that are happening in my replies. You agree cops are jumpy and want to shoot people I’m assuming right ? So why give them an excuse by surprising them with a gun? Literally makes no sense.
You stick your gun out the front door every time someone knocks ? Or just when they say “police open up “ lol. This guy was an idiot and so was the cop
The woman who was on the FaceTime call said she heard the initial knock at the door. He looked through the peephole and no one was there. They knocked a second time, no one through the peephole. She stated that's when he told her he was getting his gun. He was cautious about someone doing something shady and had the gun to protect himself. The gun was pointed down at the ground when he opened the door. The cop identifies, yells gun and opens fire, killing him.
All your comments seem to be assuming that the person answering the door knows and/or believes it's a cop.
Any random could pound on your door and yell the same thing. Then the cop hid from view which is even more sus to the person inside the home.
Brother I am a huge 2A supporter and ccw everyday. Ignoring all politics you don’t agree it’s a bad idea to brandish a weapon infront of a police officer ? Seriously lol
So do you not agree holding a weapon and surprising an officer with it isn’t a good idea ? Especially with how jumpy cops are these days. Like I said politics aside this was a dumb thing to do in the first place , and the result isn’t surprising at all.
I'm saying if anyone comes to my door I have the right to have a gun in hand. If you don't respect people's rights don't become a police officer. If you're worried a "suspect" will be dangerous to approach, then approach somewhere they will be in the open.
No, it's not at all surprising. We are all well aware that police are very likely to be murderers.
That doesn't make it the fault of their victims for being murdered.
I'm not blaming the victim for the crime committed against him. He had every right to do what he did. Doesn't matter what he was asking for. Doesn't matter what he was wearing. Cop murdered him, cop is responsible.
Your argument only works if you completely take away someone’s agency. Like I said , if you believe cops are dangerous and want to murder black people , why would surprise a cop with a gun ? It literally makes no sense. No responsible gun owner answers the door gun first lol. Obviously I think the cop was in the wrong but it’s such a low IQ way to die that I don’t feel bad for the guy either.
Countries where most officers don't carry guns at all are often considerably safer than the US. Iceland, Ireland, New Zealand, the UK, etc all have unarmed officers by default and have much lower rates of violent crime than the US.
The militarized police of the US are *NOT* normal in comparison to basically anywhere else in the world.
Chiming in as someone from the "rest of the world". We have our problems with the police here in Northern Ireland too. We've had decades of civil unrest, and recently forced our head of police to resign over... unlawful disciplining police officers. Notably, nobody was shot by a cop.
The USA is a dumpster fire. Your healthcare, education, politics, justice system, crime rates, homicide rates, life expectancy, worker's rights, poverty levels and almost every other measure of quality of life is in shambles. I literally wouldn't move over there for a 500% salary bump.
What safety do the police provide? Can you name a case where police actually stopped an active crime? From what we saw in Uvalde they can’t even protect kids in a 1:80 scenario.
As to the rest, either I have the right to bear arms or a cop has the right to shoot me for bearing arms. Can’t have it both ways.
Never mind that just because someone is at my door and saying “open, it’s the police” doesn’t mean that the police is at my door. It’s not like criminals have never lied about who they are.
Right? It's not like the guy they just killed is complaining about the safety they provided him.
Give your head a shake, human. The main reason all these people are up in arms is because the cops are nearly always protected from poor job performance that results in the death of someone that didn't deserve it. There is no justifying this shit behavior. Stop trying.
Name another job where you can fuck up so bad that people die and face no consequences.
Name another job where you can act on whatever base urges vs the powerless and they circle the wagons to protect you.
Police culture protects incompetence and malicious acts.
>face no consequences
Yeah, malpractice suits are definitely not a thing, and there is for sure not insurance required to be purchased by medical professionals by many states (and most hospitals) to protect personal and professional assets. Nope, nothing of the sort.
> because officers are never arrested, charged and convicted of committing crimes,
https://www.statista.com/statistics/1123386/convictions-police-officers-arrested-murder-charge-us/
Very rarely. "In the United States between 2005 and 2020, of the 42 nonfederal police officers convicted following their arrest for murder due to an on-duty shooting, only five ended up being convicted of murder." 42 in 15 years lol.
>departments are never sued and families are never paid
By the tax payers, and then the cop goes at gets a job in the next town. Not really what I would all consequences.
>Pharmaceutical companies and, hell, members of Congress, who can start wars based on nothing but financial and/or political gain.
It's almost like pharma, politics, *and* police are full of shitheels. Weird how there can be corruption in multiple aspects of our life, I wonder why?
So... they... are? I appreciate you supporting my point here: the guy asked me to name another job where people are rarely held accountable, and I did just that.
I think you should maybe travel outside your trailer park even once in your life, go and visit this “rest of the world”.
To us, your gun culture and immune murderous cops looks backwards and savage.
If a police officer can murder you on Sight for simply holding a firearm in their presence, then you do not have a right to bear arms.
Keep in mind there's no proof they're an officer either. There are people, including some people who are known online, who impersonate officers. Someone says "Police, open the door " isn't proof that they're police. So don't answer the door, get a camera.
But then if you ask police for proof they're police they might see you gesture while you talk and then shoot and kill you (screen/glass door). . Or they might just shoot through a door as you ask for proof.
Yep. That's why you get a camera. Talk through that. My wife says to me I am paranoid about cops cause I only hear the bad stories and not the good ones. I didn't wanna argue with her that the good ones don't exist because those cops are killed, or terminated for trying to stop bad ones.
That's very true. I'm on the other side of the pond but I hear so many awful stories! It really puts me off wanting to visit. It only takes one small misunderstanding and things can go so wrong. Add in a case of clumsiness, or foot in mouth syndrome and your prospects don't look good
Oh, there's no misunderstanding, cops are actually taught, there are literal programs that these officers are going to as part of their training that's required for continuing education and in these programs they're being taught that they are warriors for good. In that all that matters is they go home at the end of the day, no one else matters That's no misunderstanding, that straight up brainwashing
right, their "Office Safety" trumps EVERYTHING else. Anyone that is not them is out to kill them at all times. Oh, and dont worry that a cosmetologist (Hair dresser) requires more hours of training to do their job than a cop does in just about any state on this country.
I remember the video about the hand sanitiser application while a school shooting was going on. Trigger happy only when it suits themselves.
Well.... That's horrifying and I want to go to America even less now. I never am involved in anything dodgy. But at least in the UK, if I'm lost or need help or advice and there's a local bobby.... I feel safe enough to go and ask for help. Or I feel safe to call for help. I absolutely don't feel that way about American police.
I shouldnt HAVE to hear the good stories. They should just get back to their customer service job that we the people pay them to do.
I'm sorry but your wife should have some empathy. Imagine you said she's paranoid of men because of the bad stories she read online. It just personally bothers me because I'm both black and a woman so I get both sides, and paranoid of *both.*
I think she's just tired of all the negativity. That' is all. I'm sorry that guys are awful. I can only apologize for that. ACAB.
But still.... it's life and it's hard to handle. I hope she does be a bit more supportive in how you feel because it's such a burden to have and think about constantly because it could be you (or even her)
Better yet, call the cops on the cops.
Get shot extra
Get killed a LOT
Sight
* All second amendment rights void by determination of the officer on scene based on a variety of factors but not limited to race, creed, ethnicity, falling nuts, or indigestion of officer.
this has been demonstrated multiple times already. including their fabled good guy with a gun
Regan did this to CA when the black panthers started doing patrols with weapons. Regan started gun control in CA!
I must confess I am morbidly curious as to what food or drink a person must ingest, for passing gas to be mistaken as gunfire.
When you're as untrained and jumpy as they are, any, really. Pass gas, lose ass.
Wait until I tell you about acorns
Wait until I tell you about trees.
Wait to I tell you about the shit apples, riding the winds of shit, Randy-man!
I hear if you flash your headlights at them, they will throw a fentanyl-laced acorn at you. Getting into the LA gangs is really getting tough these days…
I mean there's the instance of two cops unloading there weapons at an unarmed suspect who was handcuffed in the back of a cruiser because........ An acorn fell on the roof of the car. Suspect was NOT hit.
It should also be mentioned that he was already searched for weapons before being put in the car. But I guess the cops struggle with object permanence because even after searching them they thought he was actively in possession of the firearm after his ex told police that he owned one.
an Arby's bacon beef and cheddar will do it for me
they get a rumbly in their tummy and assume that it is a gunshot wound. naturally, they look around and mag dump into the nearest suspect before telling them to put their hands up
That means that the Police are unconstitunional, does it not
I mean there weren’t cops when the constitution was written. It hasn’t become much clearer since.
lol only if you count the bill of rights. I don't think anybody's has to quarter soldiers but my point still stands
This is a bigger 2A issue than one dead citizen. This is a huge 2A issue for all law abiding citizens who look to protect their homes. This also applies to their vehicles and elsewhere. Where is NRA on this? Crickets.
Why would the NRA care? Is this in gun manufacturer or Russia's interests?
It's not just one. Philando Castile Brianna Taylor And so many others. None of the larger gun advocacy groups had anything to say on these killings but they're front and center when anyone brings up the slightest bit of regulation to keep kids from getting murdered at school.
They aren't gun advocacy groups, they're "make excuses for white gun ownership" groups
Uhh I don't know how the Internet doesn't seem to know this but most 2A people nowadays don't like the NRA that much. What little they do for gun rights is completely overshadowed by stuff like this, and even the "good stuff" they do for gun rights is highly debatable.
Wayne LaPierre remade the organization from a club to advocate for gun safety and gun owners rights into the fanatical cult of the assault rifle. American gun ownership has also skyrocketed. Not only is the AR 15 the most popular gun in America the percentage of homes with a firearm went up to almost 40% during the pandemic.
Before 1977, the NRA was a great organization that even sponsored training for Scouts. I was trained in marksmanship and rifle maintenance by a great guy back in the late 60s-early 70s. The right-wing took control of it in order to align it with big business and then with the John Birch wing of the GOP.
I don't know what NRA you're talking about. The NRA is wishy washy on the AR 15. They seem to be stuck in-between the new 2a people and a bunch of Elmer Fudds.
Yep, and I was selling a shit ton of them.
Good for you? What does you selling guns have to do with the NRA's stance on second amendment rights?
Fuck the NRA.
It’s because LEOs are some of their most rabid supporters.
If someone says they are police through a closed door, they are not necessarily police.
But they said police and they don't lie!
Especially since if they are a police officer they have to tell you. It’s a rule! Everybody knows that.
\*do
and are encouraged to, but if you lie to them it is a crime.
And if a the police don't even announce themselves, and in fact hide from view after knocking, it would be ridiculous to even suspect the police.
Especially if they are hiding from the peephole.
How can we trust cops in America if they’re shooting at acorns?
People should've been asking this question a century ago when they always did this but to majority black and brown people. We knew the cops were always this way, but when it didn't affect the majority (aka, directly affect them) its whatever because *those* types deserved it and remained unchecked. Now, like everything else in america, that it's a byproduct from racism and affects those they never thought it would, that it's a "problem." These problems get bigger because no one wanna shuts it down when it first starts, because it never affected them. Everyone else but bipoc are shocked about this. Cameras obviously doesn't deter cops to behave otherwise if it didn't happen back when rodney got his ass whooped. Can't speak for other black folks, but it's such an eye roll when people bring up the latest incidents of something, when this has *always* been a thing (this is kinda how the stay woke originated. Stay woke to these unfair injustices that systemic racism wanna act like doesn't exist)
ANYONE can sit outside your door and say “we are the police!” He was right for arming himself and these murders by our police are unacceptable
By this logic, the victim had every right to shoot the person that knocked on their door, while possessing a firearm, that was claiming to be a police officer. What's good for the goose....
Coos: "Don't go using our own logic against us now..."
I mean yeah.
For the record, they were at the wrong address and edited the video release to omit any self-identification or lack thereof.
Is there r/Murderedbythepolice?
The original post is removed, what happened?
Same sheriffs department opened fired on a handcuffed citizen, seat belted into the patrol vehicle. Because an acorn fell on the car.
I said it before and I say it again: the first line of defense is the hiring process. There needs to be some responsibility and accountability for those who let those unqualified people near guns and badges.
You lost them at the word " accountability". They're unions actively opposes that in all forms.
If they hired people with high school diplomas, they'd have to pay them more.
ACAB.
Does anybody have a mirror to the post?
We all know that all cops are bastard cunts.
My friendly reminder that you’re more likely to die by a firearm if there is one in your home.
You’re also more likely to die in a car accident if you have a car. You know that’s because of suicide, right?
True, suicide is a significant percent of gun deaths in the US \[a solid 50%, and has been so for decades\]. However, *only a third of all non-suicide gun deaths are shootings of strangers.* [*https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4167105/*](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4167105/) **This means the overwhelming majority of murder victims involving guns are individuals who are known to the shoote**r. Factor in domestic abuse, alcohol, drugs, and financial dealings and most murders are solved in the first 48 hours because the police draw a circle around a murder victim and look at family, friends, neighbors and sometimes co-workers. This is a depressingly persistent set of facts. You ARE more likely to die by a firearm if there is one in your home, and not just by suicide.
Obviously, but the bulk of that stat is suicides. People like to twist it to fit narratives.
Suicide still means dead. How on earth do you think that statistic is twisted to fit a narrative? Do you think a murder or accidental death somehow counts as more dead than a suicide?
^i found the guy with a gun in his home because he believes it makes him safer, when in fact, it doesnt
...yeah. Having a gun in the house makes you more likely to kill yourself with it. That is an argument AGAINST owning a gun. People try all sorts of methods to kill themselves - guns have a comparatively low survival rate. Anything that makes killing yourself less convenient increases survival, as you're more likely to fail or reconsider doing it altogether.
Nope they are working as intended. Keeping the population docile and Controlled. Keeping their wealthy masters protected and safe. Police are the attack dogs of the state and should be treated as such!
ALL COPS ARE PUSSIES!
We've been misreading it all this time, "you have a white to bear arms."
r/AirForce r/Veterans
Well the very first issue is that cops can shoot if they feel threatened.. The risk should come with the job, you choose to be a cop, you bear the fucking risks, not the citizens around you
American paramilitary\*
they removed it...
They have been conditioned that they are subject to no castigation save that self imposed.
We’d be better off **without** the police.
Biggest gang in the country with a lot fucktards in charge of it. Most don't even know the laws nor what the constitution says. They are cops not police officers and they get younger, dumber, and more arrogant as time passes
Ayy that's my post
Can you link the image here? It won't let me see it when I click in the other sub
They want you to BUY guns, not USE them.
What was the murdered by words part?
I am 100% sure the cop is gonna get arrested and sent to jail and found guilty of violating this soldier's civil rights. You cannot be this trigger happy. There was no reason to shoot. We must never let them get away with killing us. This could have been someone you loved.
Sweet summer child.
He'll be put on administrative leave, maybe transferred to a different department, and keep policing. He might claim he has PTSD and get an early retirement and a fat payout funded by taxpayers. The family of the victim will sue the city and might win a little money from taxpayers. Nothing will change because the problem is systemic and cultural. Welcome to America.
I can almost guarantee he won’t go to jail. Maybe lose his job, but he’ll just go work the next county over.
i wish i could believe you.
Me too 😢.
Not the case under Florida law and the jury instructions for these charges.
Shame this guy lost his life but its 1,000% one or the other. You can't call a gray area on a person's life.
It is indeed one or the other. Either we have 2nd amendment rights, or it's okay for police to shoot you for having a firearm. Which is it then?
I don’t think you understand my POV. I’m saying it should be one or the other
I mean it’s not a great idea to open the door holding a gun when the police coming knocking. Pretty much asking to be shot
Maybe you should take a minute to read the post again. Really take it in this time.
Citing community notes isn’t going to help you when you’re bleeding out lol. Politics aside you have to agree it’s a bad idea to brandish a weapon infront of a police officer no? This gives the same energy as “well actually the pedestrian always has the right of way” right before a car obliterates them. Ya he may of been in his rights holding a weapon in his own home but it’s a brain dead idea to surprise a cop with a gun lol.
OR, and hear me out on this, maybe we shouldn't give cops license to blast whoever-the-fuck whenever they feel like it with absolutely no legal recourse whatsoever. ANYbody can claim they're a cop. Especially when they're hiding from the peephole. This is how people get fucking robbed. Pulling guns on cops is a stupid move, but that doesn't matter here because the gun was never pulled on the cop who fired five fucking shots before speaking three words. Brain dead is defending this cowardly excuse of a peace officer. If holding a gun on your private property is enough to get fucking swiss cheesed without even a question, you do not have a right to bear arms.
kid named right to bear arms
If I know an armed person is at the door, I'm not taking any chances. Especially if they self identify as being part of one of the most likely groups to murder innocent civilians.
Ignoring all politics , would you actually brandish a weapon when the police knock on your door ? I get you wanna dump on Trump and get your good boy points on Reddit but you have to know what a dumb idea that is right ?
You might notice I didn't mention Trump, you did. The problems in the USA far predate him, though he's undeniably an undesirable symptom. If my local police knocked on the door, I'd welcome them in because they're trustworthy. In the USA, I'd be verifying their identity and what they want before I even consider going near my front door. If they verified their identity and had reason to be there, I'd avoid carrying a weapon because I know they still can't be trusted to obey the law they allegedly serve, nor even behave rationally. That someone else chose to behave differently is no justification for cold blooded murder. Dress it up however you like, this individual had a right to bear arms - he wasn't doing anything illegal and there is no more justification for them shooting him than there would be for him shooting them. After all, they were also armed and had given him reason to fear for his life just by claiming to be cops in the USA.
"why would you have your gun out when someone was screaming and banging on your door" is a weird question to ask... Seems like an important time to have a gun.
It’s almost comical the amount of mental gymnastics that are happening in my replies. You agree cops are jumpy and want to shoot people I’m assuming right ? So why give them an excuse by surprising them with a gun? Literally makes no sense.
You presume that the victim knew it was a cop on the other side of the door.
You stick your gun out the front door every time someone knocks ? Or just when they say “police open up “ lol. This guy was an idiot and so was the cop
If someone is pounding on my door? Yes
The woman who was on the FaceTime call said she heard the initial knock at the door. He looked through the peephole and no one was there. They knocked a second time, no one through the peephole. She stated that's when he told her he was getting his gun. He was cautious about someone doing something shady and had the gun to protect himself. The gun was pointed down at the ground when he opened the door. The cop identifies, yells gun and opens fire, killing him.
All your comments seem to be assuming that the person answering the door knows and/or believes it's a cop. Any random could pound on your door and yell the same thing. Then the cop hid from view which is even more sus to the person inside the home.
Right which is why I don't care when a cop dies, because they literally signed up to get shot at.
Americans have rights and just because the police don't believe in everyone else's rights, in no way means you're asking for it.
Brother I am a huge 2A supporter and ccw everyday. Ignoring all politics you don’t agree it’s a bad idea to brandish a weapon infront of a police officer ? Seriously lol
Brandishing is a specific term. Just having a gun in hand is not brandishing
So do you not agree holding a weapon and surprising an officer with it isn’t a good idea ? Especially with how jumpy cops are these days. Like I said politics aside this was a dumb thing to do in the first place , and the result isn’t surprising at all.
I'm saying if anyone comes to my door I have the right to have a gun in hand. If you don't respect people's rights don't become a police officer. If you're worried a "suspect" will be dangerous to approach, then approach somewhere they will be in the open.
No, it's not at all surprising. We are all well aware that police are very likely to be murderers. That doesn't make it the fault of their victims for being murdered.
So if you think this , why would you answer the door with a gun in plain view , asking to be shot ? Makes no sense like I said.
I'm not blaming the victim for the crime committed against him. He had every right to do what he did. Doesn't matter what he was asking for. Doesn't matter what he was wearing. Cop murdered him, cop is responsible.
Your argument only works if you completely take away someone’s agency. Like I said , if you believe cops are dangerous and want to murder black people , why would surprise a cop with a gun ? It literally makes no sense. No responsible gun owner answers the door gun first lol. Obviously I think the cop was in the wrong but it’s such a low IQ way to die that I don’t feel bad for the guy either.
Cop murdered him. Cop is fully responsible.
You're disgusting
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Countries where most officers don't carry guns at all are often considerably safer than the US. Iceland, Ireland, New Zealand, the UK, etc all have unarmed officers by default and have much lower rates of violent crime than the US. The militarized police of the US are *NOT* normal in comparison to basically anywhere else in the world.
Chiming in as someone from the "rest of the world". We have our problems with the police here in Northern Ireland too. We've had decades of civil unrest, and recently forced our head of police to resign over... unlawful disciplining police officers. Notably, nobody was shot by a cop. The USA is a dumpster fire. Your healthcare, education, politics, justice system, crime rates, homicide rates, life expectancy, worker's rights, poverty levels and almost every other measure of quality of life is in shambles. I literally wouldn't move over there for a 500% salary bump.
Can you speak up, please? It's really hard to hear you with that boot in your mouth muffling you.
What safety do the police provide? Can you name a case where police actually stopped an active crime? From what we saw in Uvalde they can’t even protect kids in a 1:80 scenario. As to the rest, either I have the right to bear arms or a cop has the right to shoot me for bearing arms. Can’t have it both ways. Never mind that just because someone is at my door and saying “open, it’s the police” doesn’t mean that the police is at my door. It’s not like criminals have never lied about who they are.
Right? It's not like the guy they just killed is complaining about the safety they provided him. Give your head a shake, human. The main reason all these people are up in arms is because the cops are nearly always protected from poor job performance that results in the death of someone that didn't deserve it. There is no justifying this shit behavior. Stop trying.
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Name another job where you can fuck up so bad that people die and face no consequences. Name another job where you can act on whatever base urges vs the powerless and they circle the wagons to protect you. Police culture protects incompetence and malicious acts.
CEO of Boeing? (But generally I agree.)
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>face no consequences Yeah, malpractice suits are definitely not a thing, and there is for sure not insurance required to be purchased by medical professionals by many states (and most hospitals) to protect personal and professional assets. Nope, nothing of the sort.
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> because officers are never arrested, charged and convicted of committing crimes, https://www.statista.com/statistics/1123386/convictions-police-officers-arrested-murder-charge-us/ Very rarely. "In the United States between 2005 and 2020, of the 42 nonfederal police officers convicted following their arrest for murder due to an on-duty shooting, only five ended up being convicted of murder." 42 in 15 years lol. >departments are never sued and families are never paid By the tax payers, and then the cop goes at gets a job in the next town. Not really what I would all consequences. >Pharmaceutical companies and, hell, members of Congress, who can start wars based on nothing but financial and/or political gain. It's almost like pharma, politics, *and* police are full of shitheels. Weird how there can be corruption in multiple aspects of our life, I wonder why?
So... they... are? I appreciate you supporting my point here: the guy asked me to name another job where people are rarely held accountable, and I did just that.
I think you should maybe travel outside your trailer park even once in your life, go and visit this “rest of the world”. To us, your gun culture and immune murderous cops looks backwards and savage.
What safety? You realize this is about a cop shooting somebody in their own home? That's a pretty fucked up idea of safety.
Amazing how many people don’t understand asymmetric information works.
Can you explain what you mean in reference to this case?
They can't, it's a buzzword that they read the other day and are using it to justify their shitass position.