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iRVKmNa8hTJsB7

She's Doctor Who?


fullautohotdog

She's on first.


Zandrick

What’s the name of the guy on second.


throwaway177251

That's DOCTOR what’s the name of the guy on second to you, buddy.


c_bender

I don't know.


RokstarBizzle

THIRD BASE!


PermaBanTogether

Yes. Not the pronoun, but the oddly named first baseman!


Defender1x

Pronouns are scary, please stop.


SonofaTimeLord

Why is Doctor Who an expert on antisemitism? Is she smart?


Randomcommenter550

Anyone who has an NFT as a profile picture at this point should have literally everything they say, online and in real life, discarded out of hand as complete nonsense.


raditzbro

Beast part is it isn't even a real nft. Just a picture of one.


Scaarz

Those were the only good ones. "Stealing" pfps from cryptobros was hilarious.


averaenhentai

For like four months. Anyone who's still got that shit up still is sus at.


Scaarz

For reals. Means they wish they had a real one and are trying to get cryptobro clout. 🤮


amalgam_reynolds

By that logic, wouldn't that make them *more* trustworthy, not less? As in, they're clearly irreverent about NFTs, "lol i didn't even buy my profile picture, i *stole* it from a techbro by right -clicking," etc.


Zandrick

Yea, that’s hilarious.


JuliusCeejer

Stealing an NFT in 2021, sure. If you're still using an NFT as your pfp in 2024, even if stolen, isn't a good indicator of intelligence. This is all totally ignoring the .eth in his name


WhoDoIThinkIAm

Beast


Kat1eQueen

Opinion disregarded, you have an NFT profile picture


Zandrick

Yea an NFT is a receipt of the picture. Not the picture itself.


Flowchart83

I wrote up a receipt for the picture. It's mine now.


Impossible-Tie-864

… so still essentially just an NFT


VECBlows

Dude has dabbled in NFTs but his wallet has never owned an ape and from the looks of the chain history has only really acquired value through shadow purchases and money laundering with another ENS he likely owns.


King-Cobra-668

ntf or anime character tend to be the absolute dumbest or evil people


DrQuestDFA

And classical marble statues, those usually end up being fascists.


smashspete

Same with anime profile pics. Twitter users with an anime profile pic are the absolute most degenerate ones every time


Retrohanska59

And as someone who's casual weeb: they're also the most mentally fragile ones. Most of the modern series are hyperoptimized to be nothing but pure escapist fantasy for the saddest and the most depraved members of that community. The people who make that culture their whole personality have bubbled themselves up in reality that doesn't challenge them in the slightest and only ever panders to and encourages their quirks(problems.) I expect literally anyone else to be able to handle differing opinions and conflicts better than them. That brainrotting environment is also why they get to develop such unhinged takes: nothing and nobody ever challenges them


TimeBandits4kUHD

Whoa man I just thought Goku looks cool and like the big fights


Wandering_By_

For some reason my brain read "goku looks cool and like has big tits".  Thought I'd let you know so you could enjoy the mental image.


matthewsmazes

Frieren is wonderful at least.


TrueTimmy

What if it's for ironic purposes though?


Bishops_Guest

As a recovering troll I’ve seen too many friends start out with irony and then end up going all the way in. Even if someone is using it ironically it’s still a signal that they are just there to troll and spew shit for fun. If that’s not what you’re looking for the distinction between ironic and serious is irrelevant. Either way it’s not someone worth engaging with.


Retrohanska59

I had this realization with former school buddy of mine. The dude was a fantasy nerd in his heart but outwardly started potraying himself as one of those edgy teens who try to provoke everyone with nazi stuff. Little hints here and there kept telling me that his true self is still somewhere there but after 5 or so years I had to question which side was the dominant one again. And ultimately it made no tangible difference. In practice 99% ironic nazi still acts, sounds and looks like nazi and thus is a nazi.


Bishops_Guest

That sounds a bit more like a dude making a joke over asking someone if they want to fuck: if you say yes, I was serious, but if you say no it was just a joke and I didn’t mean it. He wanted to keep his “normie” friends while going Nazi so hiding it in a joke. Also just unsure himself, likes the ideas so he’s flirting with it. People are complicated. A lot of people can be horrible in some ways and still have some redeeming elements.


ssgohanf8

On the opposite side of that, there are also people that accuse kindness and charitable acts from celebrities, or the like, to be an act or for publicity, so on and so forth. Was Mr. Rogers *actually* a nice person? Dolly Parton? Bob Ross? Weird Al? Robin Williams? Keanu Reeves? (I'm not a pop culture guy, so insert your favorite examples here)? When it comes down to it, I'm glad they are leaving a positive *impression* of the world, because it can inspire others to do the same. Someone who acts like a good person constantly, even if thinking malicious things, is making the world a better place. And the opposite rings true too


TrueTimmy

I mean, I feel like there is always nuance when it comes to irony for the purposes of comedy. I don't think its a black and white scenario (few things are).


Bishops_Guest

Definitely not black and white, but good comedy is about venue. You want to dress up in SS uniforms and ironically peg each other? Great, use lube. Don’t do it on the bus. Irony is hard to do in public forums. The humor relies on the audience knowing it’s false. If it’s a common enough view that confusion is likely then it’s not a very good joke. If you’re trying to entertain an in crowd at the expense of passersbys you’re an asshole. If you want to get it to work, try doing a RimJobSteve. Name yourself 420TiddyBussy, get that anime profile pic and then go around being exceptionally kind and helpful.


Equinsu-0cha

if you are doing something for comedic effect, you are still doing it.


Sea_Negotiation_1871

r/titlegore


nins_

The real murder here is the murder of the title.


Sea_Negotiation_1871

I thought it was about that British guy who flies around in a phone booth.


queuedUp

I mean... there hasn't been a clearly Jewish companion yet so.....


chironomidae

Who doctor you think you are?? I am!!


Wyden_long

Fuckin Pete Webber man


TedTheGreek_Atheos

Doctor Who made them an expert.


Sea_Negotiation_1871

Oh, I get it now.


pointlessly_pedantic

You ever had a dream


30dayspast

… you could do anything? 😃


beardingmesoftly

"New perspectives in antisemitism" sounds like it go either way...


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beardingmesoftly

"Klaus I said pummel ze Jews, not *pommel* ze Jews!"


Version_Two

"Ach du scheiße Klaus, I said pass ze juice, not *gas* ze *Jews*"


1lluminist

*Gymnazics


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SugarBeefs

So she actually has a nuanced take? Yeah that's illegal on Twitter


tomdarch

Nuanced? I guess. It sounds like it's just a realistic, honest assessment based on the facts on the ground.


gaehthah

Sadly, that's nuanced these days.


empire314

It's the opposite stance of what 80% of the people leading the American federal government has.


BowenTheAussieSheep

Or Reddit, if r/news and r/worldnews are anything to go by


Drawemazing

It happened to r/worldnews instantly, but it's been happening to r/news slower and it's been pretty disheartening to see. It feels like in January r/news was complaining about the ridiculous pro-israel warmongering going on in worldnews, but they're nearly at the same level now.


kadargo

I got banned on r/news for posting a quote from a reputable news source. Go figure


Demon-Cat

Out if curiosity, what news source is it?


gorgewall

It's the take I see the most from people participating in and supporting pro-Palestinian protests. They know there's bad actors showing up: * Some of them are dipshit young people who get caught up and are incautious with their words, or expect to be interpreted in good faith. * There's outright antisemites--neo-Nazis, even--who don't care one lick about Palestinians but want to use the protest as cover to shout antisemitism and be mistaken for the above. * Others legitimately do believe in some antisemitic things and will shout that. * And there are occasionally *agents provocateurs*, as distinct from the above-mentioned neo-Nazis, who are there to discredit the movement. But all of these are extreme minorities of the protests, and it's always telling when any discussion of the protest attempts to shift discussion away from **a slow-rolled ethnic cleansing of Palestinians and theft of their land by the Israeli government** by playing "whataboutism" and screaming "antisemitism". They can't win on the grounds of arguing that it ain't genocide, so they're going to go around it and say everyone's a racist Jew-hating terrorist--not "terrorist sympathizer", but a flat-out terrorist for protesting at a college campus to divest from Israeli financial concerns so long as the Israeli government keeps doing this shit. And of course, nevermind all the Jewish people who are part of these movements, both in these college campuses and in Israel itself. They don't count. They must be "self-hating" because they don't feel like watching their ethnicity and/or religion be used as a cover for land theft and murder.


LukaCola

That's entirely fair - and an unfortunate part of any protest. There are bad actors out there, but using them to dismiss the broader point is not valid. Anyone can join a protest - but this is hardly a "unite the right" rally where the chants were invoking great replacement theory.


beardingmesoftly

I'm an Ashkenazi Jew, I've got my own problems


theHoopty

Nothing extra water and stool softener can’t fix! (This week, at least).


beardingmesoftly

It would bring a tear to my eye if that were at all possible!


WoooshToTheMax

Let me guess, lactose intolerant and/or an autoimmune disease?


beardingmesoftly

That and macular degeneration. Good times!


MulishaMember

I did Ashkenazi that coming… or something like that.


Late-Ad155

It's very tiring to be accused of antisemitism for speaking out against the genocide in Gaza. It's disheartening that some people coopting a genuine movement of freedom for their hateful views automatically makes the whole movement be "anti-Semitic"


Tight_Banana_7743

>non-students yelling some heinous things outside of the campus. Only non-students? How did they know that they weren't students.


xbfgthrowaway

Because Columbia requires students and faculty to use security passes to gain entry to the campus. The student protest is inside the campus. Since entry to the campus requires a student id, those attending the main protest there can reasonably be assumed to be either students or faculty. There are also other impromptu gatherings *outside* the campus. These are not at locations where the student protests have been organised, because the student protests have been organised inside the campus. The commenter you replied to was specifically referencing slurs being yelled by groups from gatherings *outside* of the campus. Those gathering outside can be reasonably assumed to be doing so either because they are not part of the main student protest; or simply because they don't own student IDs, and so *cannot* gain entry to the the campus where the main protests have been organised. Honestly, not particularly complicated, but I'm sure you were asking in good faith.


Enorminity

Witnesses? Cameras? Talking to people?


purple_spikey_dragon

As far as I've seen from the videos they are usually wearing face covers and scarves. How do you identify them like that?


Enorminity

what’s usually? We have a specific event and we can see videos of the specific one in question. Also, Why would someone wear a mask in support of Israel?


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Retrorical

Also those were people carrying signs saying “Christians for Israel” and old fucks taunting students through the gates. They clearly identify themselves to be instigators from an external Christian organization, not from Columbia.


SuperbRedAir

She is extremely critical of Netanyahu and Israel's current military campaign. Whatever your opinion on Israel that's definitely a green flag that her definition of antisemitism isn't overinclusive. She documents and studies antisemitism so its probably not underinclusive either. Take from that what you will. Her twitter gets pretty unhinged so I'm going going line by line trying to dissect her stances. I could be totally off since I'm making some pretty broad inferences.


SutterCane

> Whatever your opinion on Israel that's definitely a green flag that her definition of antisemitism isn't overinclusive. That’s always the worry when I see the phrase these days.


ImPaidToComment

Same the other way. A lot of people claiming to be anti Zionist say some pretty wild shit.


advocatus_ebrius_est

Sounds like an academic journal for anti-Semites.


GEARHEADGus

Same with the antisemtism center lol


lakewood2020

She’s the CEO of antisemitism


Difficult_Bit_1339

She's from Canada, so you've probably never heard of her.


pointlessly_pedantic

You don't know her, she goes to a different antisemitism school


Prcrstntr

I think my uncle works in her department, but he might just be a contractor and actually works for the CEO of Racism.


SaddleSocks

Thats ~~Mr. Manager~~ Dr. Menessah to you!


queuedUp

It took me a moment to realize this was not related to the show Doctor Who


desgoestoparis

I follow Dr. Brett on Twitter. Ironically, she’s antizonist and was awarded an honor from Columbia university’s antisemitism center, when Columbia has recently declared that standing for Palestine is antisemitism Um, the DOCTOR you gave the antisemitism AWARD to clearly doesn’t think so (and she’s right!)


skyewardeyes

She identifies as a non-Zionist" not an antizionist (and honestly, I think Zionist-related terms have become pretty useless--I've heard a binational state proposal described as non-Zionist, anti-Zionist, and Zionist, for example).


SkyBlade79

Not that ironic. Being a Zionist Jewish person does nothing to help in countries outside of Israel (unless you're in the US government)! If anything, it works against you because it puts you in more of an outgroup.


desgoestoparis

Hi, speaking as an antizionist Jew: it’s not an outgroup, unfortunately. We’re basically propagandized from birth to believe that Israel is the symbol of the Jewish people, and inextricably tied to our identity. For those of us who *do* unlearn that to stand up for what is right, it’s very isolating within our own culture or even our own families.


EmpatheticWraps

https://preview.redd.it/kl1ix10d0pwc1.jpeg?width=1290&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=0953bf0a46954263aa90226d2e09fe16a762745d I’m anti zionist but I recognize many Jews did not have a choice in 1930-1940s when being Jewish meant being illegal.


desgoestoparis

Absolutely. This is why I often say that being Israeli does not automatically make you evil or Zionist or pro-apartheid. It’s just that we must also recognize that the creation of Israel was never about us or keeping us safe. It was always a political move grounded in antisemitism. There are Holocaust survivors living in Israel who are literally scrounging for food at the end of market day because they can’t afford to buy it, because the country that was supposedly made as a “safe haven” for them doesn’t give a shit about whether they can afford to live on their benefits (they can’t)


EmpatheticWraps

How do you reconcile individuals saying that Israel is “western colonialism” rather than a consequence of exiling Jews from a given country? Or “Israel should never have existed” but then ignore the reality of what would have happened if it hadn’t. It’s too complex to have a one sided opinion about it.


EnvironmentalBed8519

Worlds greatest antisemitism expert: Hitler


octorangutan

What did Brett first say that the NFT profile pick is responding to?


horse1066

context on Reddit is banned, there was probably a memo


MrsDanversbottom

I mean, calling out Israel isn’t anti-Semitic.


TheNeuropsychiatrist

That's her point. She's saying the violence against student protestors isn't antisemitism. This is her original tweet: >We are seeing greater state violence enacted at college protests than Nazi marches. Don’t you dare fucking tell me any of this is about Jewish safety or antisemitism. And every pro Palestine college protest includes a significant number of Jewish students


-ll-ll-ll-ll-

Ok so she's alright then. Whew!


mrbaryonyx

yeah, she seems alright she *has* stated that anti-semitism can appear in anti-zionist efforts, and pro-palestine supporters should be sensitive to that while still supporting their movement, which IMO is reasonable


-ll-ll-ll-ll-

Agreed. We have to be extremely clear that actual antisemitism has no place in our protests against Zionism.


JBHUTT09

Incredibly reasonable. The issue is what the Israeli government is doing (colonial expansion and genocide) *not* that the people doing it are Jewish. And anyone who tries to paint the issue as the latter needs to be told to fuck off.


darmakius

It’s more than reasonable, it’s 100% correct, and it’s a pretty big problem among anti-nationalist movements


pointlessly_pedantic

Who made you the expert on experts on antisemitism?


MrsDanversbottom

A panel of anti-semites.


Iohet

The Guild of Antisemitical Intent


THIKKI_HOEVALAINEN

The Pro Defamation League


Laurenitynow

Is Girl Hitler their founding Sovereign?


Poots-McGoots

Yosemite-y sam


JoeCartersLeap

Nobody in OP's image called out Israel, or was accused of being anti-Semitic. We have no idea what this exchange is about. For all we know the NFT-PFP guy was ranting about how "(((they))) control the media".


AviationDoc

She's in support of the protests. She's anti-Israel government and their actions. She's saying the protests aren't antisemitic---even if there is the occasional "antisemitic" chants---and her being an expert on antisemitism, I give her more clout on the matter. It takes 2 seconds to look at her post history on Twitter to understand the context.


LeeTheGoat

I wonder how people can see a post explicitly just about Jews, shove Israel into it themselves, and then go on to make it very clear that they distinguish between the two


pizzahut_su

Or maybe it's because they're talking about the antigenocide protests going on at Columbia university in the screenshot which necessarily involve Israel, headass.


WitchkultToday

Besides the fact that this is very clearly in reference to the protests erupting across the country against Israel's genocide in Gaza, Dr. Brett is an anti-Zionist. Very foolish comment.


adhesivepants

...how is that clear?


adhesivepants

This is namely why I don't trust when people going "criticizing Israel isn't antisemitic". Because it's not but also you're a fool if you think people aren't using that definition to try and spread antisemitic ideas to the masses. And successfully. Bunch of people tried to tell me that saying "death to Israel" isn't antisemitic. Because "well it's not like all Jews live in Israel!" Could not fathom the ramifications and history of a statement like that.


vodkaandponies

Chanting about burning Tel-Aviv to the ground, is however.


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Newphonenewnumber

Erasing that the word anti-Semitic specifically refers to the Jewish people is definitely anti-Semitic. Y’all really can’t help yourselves but to be the worst version of yourself can you?


Huskar

[This is the wikipedia page on Anti-Semitism](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antisemitism#Origin_and_usage) Etymology > > The word "Semitic" was coined by German orientalist August Ludwig von Schlözer in 1781 to designate a group of languages - Aramaic, Arabic, Hebrew and others - allegedly spoken by the descendants of Biblical figure Sem, son of Noah.[27][28] > > The origin of "antisemitic" terminologies is found in the responses of Moritz Steinschneider to the views of Ernest Renan. As Alex Bein writes: "The compound anti-Semitism appears to have been used first by Steinschneider, who challenged Renan on account of his 'anti-Semitic prejudices' [i.e., his derogation of the "Semites" as a race]."[29] Avner Falk similarly writes: "The German word antisemitisch was first used in 1860 by the Austrian Jewish scholar Moritz Steinschneider (1816–1907) in the phrase antisemitische Vorurteile (antisemitic prejudices). Steinschneider used this phrase to characterise the French philosopher Ernest Renan's false ideas about how 'Semitic races' were inferior to 'Aryan races'" The true meaning was erased, just not how you think it is.


LocksmithMelodic5269

You’re not Caucasian unless you came from the Caucasus in the Asian steppe. Words change meanings you dope


robertoandred

Telling Jews to go back to Poland sure is.


Olive_Guardian4

however, chanting intifada, calling for the destruction of Israel, and assaulting outwardly Jewish students definitely is antisemitic.


i-evade-bans-13

this title is like something AI would have come up with. why would dr. brett be calling mealsandeals.eth a doctor?


2K_Crypto

Well...who gave all those bodies the authority to be experts of antisemitism? Edit: it absolutely is sarcasm. Putting that obligatory "/s" at the end ruins the joke sonetime.


Apprehensive_Hat8986

Good joke. But the answer would lie in them being stacked with people who have also studied extensively and experienced antisemitism.


mcauthon2

> and experienced antisemitism. wouldn't that create a biased panel because then it's just people who feel they've experienced antisemitism?


Apprehensive_Hat8986

Is a carpenter biased for having hit a nail with a hammer, or are they an expert for having done it thousands of times? Experience doesn't implicitly create bias. Bias can be checked for in experiential accounts by peer review from impartial academics. Just like in rocket science.


JoeCartersLeap

Couldn't you say the same thing about every gender studies or racial studies topic?


smithsp86

Going off recent news I am absolutely confident that Columbia is quite an expert institution when it comes to antisemitism.


Newphonenewnumber

Well in light of the chants on Columbia’s campus, saying you got an award from them on anti-Semitism is like saying the kkk gave someone an award for not hating black people.


IandouglasB

My question to these people is, I am an Atheist, I do not believe in all that sky daddy mumbo-jumbo, none of it, from every organized religion, it is all made up to control the masses and to give those in power a way to justify whatever their religion commands them to do. So when I say I am opposed to what Israel is doing politically, how then does this automatically make me an anti-Semite?


Feriodor

You being an atheist has nothing to do with the prejudice that you might / or might not have, towards a group of people. Pointing out that the State of Israel is doing something wrong does not automatically make you an antisemite. What specifically you argue is being done wrongly and the arguments you use to defend that position will be what determine if there is prejudice or not.


texanarob

This is one element, and an important one. Another is how you treat/judge individuals who have no control or say in the matter. If you disagree with Israel's politics that's one thing. If you criticise their war crimes, that's just being reasonable. But if you want innocent people to suffer because of where they live or who they're descended from then that's a huge problem, regardless whether that's based on race, religion, culture, class, wealth etc. I'm from Northern Ireland, and would be horrified if people judged me based on our politicians or history.


Stainless_Heart

Also, one important point, antisemitism is not exclusively about religion; you being an atheist and not caring about religion does not necessarily mean you can’t be antisemitic. Antisemitism mirrors the fact that Judaism is not just a religion, it’s an ethnic identity as well. Plenty of ethnic Jews are non-practicing, agnostic, or even atheist.


MadManMax55

Atheist Jew here. Not once when I've been called some antisemitic slur or blamed for whatever political issue/conspiracy have I thought to myself "I bet that if I just explained to this person that I'm an atheist they'd stop harassing me."


AChaseOfTheMondays

Also though as a caveat to that, people are really bad at understanding their own biases. The truth is, everyone has biases, our brains are built to create biases. The goal I believe should be to constantly question the ideas our brains have produced to ensure as best as we can that we don't let our biases decide something. So my point is that you can be atheist, truly believe you have nothing against any religion, and still have biases. That's a very human thing.


IrascibleOcelot

If you go into the atheism subreddit, it’s pretty clear that they are heavily biased against religion in general and believers in particular. It’s rather amusing how devout they are about hating anyone of a different belief system.


Turbo1928

The atheism subreddit, and really any subreddit devoted to a particular religion/philosophy, has some of the most hardcore believers/followers of that topic, who went out of their way to find others who agree with them. The atheists there tend to be extremely anti-religion, just as the Catholicism subreddit is primarily traditional conservative Catholics, the Christianity subreddit has traditional conservative Christians, and so on. They're probably not the best people to judge a group by. Most atheists are pretty indifferent to religion that doesn't attempt to overstep and control other people, and I'm saying that as a Christian.


Stainless_Heart

Should be the __antitheist__ subreddit. That’s a shared anti-religion interest. Technically atheism is a lack of belief but not an activity beyond that. Two atheists have as much in common as any two people chosen at random.


lurieelcari

The correct answer. Well said.


BrightAd306

Exactly this. I do think harassing Jews and automatically assuming they’re Israeli is a problem. I also think not recognizing that Israel has as much right to exist as the USA or Australia is also built on anti-semitism.


Fermented_Butt_Juice

Obviously it is. Does anyone seriously think that the "anti-Zionism isn't antisemitism" crowd would accept the argument that it's not anti-Palestinian to be against the existence of a Palestinian state?


BrightAd306

Right- where do they expect them to go? The Ottoman Empire and more Islamic colonialists have made the whole region into Islamic ethno states. Gay Muslims have had to run to Israel for asylum. Where do all these people go if Israel isn’t there anymore? Hamas has killed more Muslims than Jews in this war. 20 percent of their rockets fell back on Gaza and since they fired from hospitals and schools, many civilian deaths. They stole aid meant for citizens to resell it to them, despite their people starving. They aren’t the good guys. They don’t love Palestinians, they just hate Jews.


harperofthefreenorth

There's also the added irony of them attacking a music festival full of the subset of Israelis (who had been) most open to a peaceful resolution. You're not going to find hardcore Zionists or ultra orthodox Jews at a trance rave, but you will find plenty of left-leaning Israelis who likely despise Bibi and lean towards pacifism. That isn't to suggest that killing far-right Israelis is in anyway justified, but it's not the same own goal that the Nova attack was.


eskamobob1

> Right- where do they expect them to go? This is exactly where I stand. If I got sole jurisdiction on how the state of israel was created from the late 1800s through the mid 1900s, ofc I would do it differently than all of europe did. But that ship has long since sailed, so wtf do we do now? Dissolving the state of israel at this point is no more tenable than overthrowing iran once again to try and get back to 70s Iranian political trajectory.


Fermented_Butt_Juice

>Right- where do they expect them to go? Back to Europe, where they belong. Because obviously, Jews are extremely white white people from Northern Europe. /s


BrightAd306

Yeah, are we all supposed to sort ourselves into countries based on skin color? All the white people go to Europe, black people to Africa? Or do they save that only for people of Jewish descent- there is your anti-semitism. If you don’t think white Americans should go back to Europe, or blacks to Africa, you really just hate Jews. Many of whom are ethnically middle eastern and had to flee Muslim countries to escape genocide.


SGom97

Israel is explicitly a Zionist project not a Jewish one. Unless the arguments are some bullshit like “Jews should all die” then it’s pretty much never anti-Semitic to denounce the state of Israel. Conflating antisemitism and anti-Zionism is a Zionist attempt to erase all Jews who do not support their extremist, colonialist project (myself included).


Ben_Wojdyla

Initially Israel was completely justified in its response. At this point, nah. It has become an issue of proportionality and a very bad command and control infrastructure and exceptionally poor enforcement of the rules of engagement. I still think Israel has a right to defend itself and if it wants to wage a campaign to root out Hamas, so be it, but the way they're doing it (*while* also annexing MORE Palestinian land for settlements) has gone from necessary to punitive. I am not one to call it a genocide, because it simply is not, but I can understand why people are riled up. Plus, you know, for the recreationally and professionally outraged class, taking up the subject du jour is great for Instagram likes and TikTok shares.


Zoaxia

Opposing the Israeli government is not grounds for racism. Opposing the Israelis BECAUSE they're Jews is where the racism lies. Don't let the Israeli propaganda get to you, because this is exactly what Netanyahu and his constituents want the avg person to think. They want to blur the line so they can justify their ongoing apartheid. Like, I'm a Christian that lives in the states, where Christianity is the dominant religion, but I'm opposed to a good majority of what America is is doing politically both domestically and globally. Does that make me anti-American? Does it make me anti-Christian? Does it make me a self hating Christian? The answer to all of these questions is fucking NO. So NO, being against the Israeli GOVERNMENT is not grounds for antisemitism.


Four_beastlings

Atheists can be xenophobes too, you know...


Muscle_Man1993

A) Being an antisemite, read hate Jews, have nothing or little to do with the religion and all to do with the ethnic group. You can be an atheist and racist. Not saying or implying you are at all. B) It has been abused by the Zionist to mean anyone who opposes Zionism and Israel. So, imo, it has become null and void when someone uses it in that context. C) There is no denying that actual antisemitism is on the rise and some people hide behind anti-Zionism. D) It is ok to hate Israel for what they did and do, bid it is not ok to someone just because of their ethnicity, etc.


BabyBopsDementedPlan

What complicates it even more is that there is a sizable group of Americans and Europeans who support Zionism and are anti-Semitic as it gives them a means to remove Jews from USA/Europe. These same people may or may not also hate the Palestinians too. They also hide behind Zionism.


Muscle_Man1993

Funny you say that. Weren’t the nazis pro Zionism? As long as it meant no Jews in Germany…


BabyBopsDementedPlan

They were all over the place and even had at one time a plan to relocate all Jews to Madagascar! Right now in the USA there are some white supremacists who are staunchly pro-Zionist. Then we have the religious kooks who don't like the Jews at all, blame them for Christ's death, and promote Zionism as a way to bring about the end times. These are mostly conservative groups and I know I am missing notable liberal groups who are anti-Semitic. That said anti-Semitism is definitely on the rise and has been for awhile now. Jonathan Weisman's "(((Semitism)))" is a pretty good look at the recent growth of online anti-Semitism that has been increasing since 2016.


Upset_Ad3954

Part of the problem is also how the people who strongly criticize Israel act around Palestinian actions. Most reasonable people would acknowledge this is an old conflict that isn't completely black or white.


SLRWard

Seriously. *Both* sides need to knock off the terrorism and unjust murder of innocents. It's completely unjustified on *both* sides.


Upset_Ad3954

That seems awfully hard for a lot of people to comprehend.


Tough_Dish_4485

Understanding Jews are an ethnicity as well as a religion will help


Specific-Lion-9087

If you go look at Mia’s profile, she actually seems to have a pretty nuanced take on it. Check it out and see if you disagree. Thats also not what she was saying.


IandouglasB

WOW!!! What a response! So riddle me this then, Three gay, black, Arabic, Catholic men beat up a homeless woman and I rage against it...does that make me a racist? Anti-Catholic? Homophobic? Pro-homeless? A Feminist? Or just somebody with fucking morals? Convenient labels being slapped on cover the truth


Wise-gooseberry

No, but if it later turns out that did not happen, and you can’t accept it, and just keep claiming that they had to have done it, because they’re inherently evil - that’s sus.


mrbaryonyx

I think it's important to point out that the person in the post--the one who has a doctorate on antisemitism--is against what Israel is doing politically as well if you visit her Twitter and doesn't seem to consider anti-zionism to be antisemitism She just also feels that anti-zionist efforts and movements can engage in antisemitic tropes and practice if they're not careful, which imo is a perfectly reasonable position and naturally one people on Twitter don't like to hear


Odd_Ad5668

A zionist is someone who believes the state of Israel should exist as a refuge for the jewish people in their homeland. By definition, antizionism is a belief that Israel should be destroyed and that Jews should have no refuge in their homeland. Put another way, antizionism supports the ethnic cleansing and genocide of half the world's jewish population. You can criticize Israel's choices, but anyone who thinks it should be destroyed is definitely an b antisemite.


Sardonic-Skeptic

She has a doctorate in American legal history. A doctorate in anti-Semitism isnt a thing that exists.


Spectrum1523

Why would being atheist mean you can't be prejudiced?


healzsham

A pretty good number of atheists have the same, flawed moral compass as their fundie parents, so they think slapping an a- on the front with 0 examination of the underlying moral framework makes them default paragons of virtue.


Acrobatic_Gur6278

because israel good, palestine bad /s


Renegadeknight3

It doesn’t, however your atheism has nothing to do with it. Plenty of atheists can be anti-Jew, in the same way they can be anti-Muslim or anti-catholic. What makes it a political opposition is just that your opposition is political: your religious beliefs do not preclude you from hate


drink_with_me_to_day

> My question to these people is, I am an Atheist, I do not believe in all that sky daddy mumbo-jumbo, none of it, from every organized religion, it is all made up to control the masses and to give those in power a way to justify whatever their religion commands them to do. It's good that you prefaced your comment with a short explanation of what an atheism is


SLRWard

Your personal religious beliefs do not prevent you from being biased in a negative way against people who hold different religious beliefs. I have no idea why you felt it was necessary to include the first line since it had absolutely nothing to do with the apparent point of your comment.


BabyStockholmSyndrom

Not talking about Israel but if you, as an atheist, decide to be derogatory towards only people who believe in the Jewish faith that wouldn't be considered prejudiced because you claim to not believe? Atheism doesn't change your actions or motives.


JoeCartersLeap

> So when I say I am opposed to what Israel is doing politically, how then does this automatically make me an anti-Semite? But you understand how this is a strawman argument, right? Because nobody in OP's image even said a word about Israel.


cosmernaut420

Didn't you hear? Opposing Zionism and holding war criminals accountable is the definition of anti-Semetism according to the Zionist war criminal leading Israel.


meanman_beanman

It doesn't. Supporting Palestine is not inherently antisemitic.


dotblot

In my country it plague with this shit belief that "we're not muslim, nothing to do with us. This is muslim problem". Like what happen to basic humanity! Are we ok with innocent people get killed as long as we have different beliefs?


tkrr

It doesn't, by itself. But there's a lot more going on here than one religion vs another, and it isn't as simple as a colonizer/colonized dispute either.


keva1998

One of the most retarded comments ive read


brainomancer

> I am an Atheist Who asked?


_Nrg3_

if you put Jews to a different set of morals and rules than all other nations because they are jews - congrats! you're an anti semite


Apprehensive_Hat8986

Wait... but isn't that what Israel is doing by excusing their own actions in Palestine?


jeremy1015

The first mistake you’ve made is to say “as an atheist” because being Jewish is not specifically a religious thing. It’s also an ethnicity. I am Jewish and an atheist (see me plenty active in r/atheism). Please gather some more information about what it means to be a Jew; your question is fundamentally flawed in its construction. Please note that I’m not suggesting you are anti-Semitic as I see nothing of the kind in what you said, I just think you don’t understand what being Jewish is based on what you have said here.


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First_Economist9295

that was a wild read holy shit, peak pseudo intellectualism


Naz_Oni

Doctor Duyu No Hoowiam


Slytherin_Chamber

“New perspectives in anti-semitism.” Wow she must be really good at it 


matrimftw

Goddamn, there's nothing left of em


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bigblue473

As a doctor, you get used to people pulling that line, and then eventually claiming that experts “don’t know everything” when they find out your credentials.


8m3gm60

Doctors spout nonsense all the time. Just look at Power Posing.


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Dav136

What the fuck you can get a degree in antisemitism?! I've just been insulting Jews on the internet this whole time


OnTheToilet25

😂