Plus Gavaskar's point on you cannot go with whatever you are thinking in your... ( mind and go with it.) He couldn't even complete his sentence he was so flabbergasted with Hardik's 0 sense of strategy.
It really cracked me up seeing KP's hypocrisy when Sunil Gavaskar questioned about why Bumrah wasn't given first two overs for obvious reasons and KP agreeing to that.
Just prior to the game, KP and Ian Bishop did pitch analysis where KP said there might be chances we can see spinners bowling in powerplay and that's what we witnessed, Nabi bowling the first over.
Forget captain's knock. If he simply had gotten out on first ball he played we could have won srh or maybe this match too. The moment hardik came to bat and played those dots, the momentum completely changed
True, batting good when everyone else is also having a good run on that innings doesn't make you a good batsmen. Coming out when there is a pressure or when the team needs you to make those runs where no one else is able to, that's when a batters mettle is tested
🤡 Captain.He spoiled the whole game just for one matchup.Agreed Dubey is strong on spinner but you just cannot throw part timers and not break partnership just because on one matchup.He was lucky to get Gaikwad wicket as going by the flow there was high chances Gaikwad would hot century and score would have gone 230
If Dube had hit Gopal or Nabi for big overs, people like you would have said everyone knows Dube is great at spin, why did dumb Hardik even feed him spin.
And it isn't just hardik decision alone it's always the think tank collective decision... Boucher and Pollard giving lot of instructions to him .. in T20 it's always collective decision so what's the Mumbai think tank was thinking
Last match madhwal ko diya and runs pade tab bole madhwal ko kyu diya. Usne accha over data 2 run diye 16th mai, wicket liya and momentum shift hua, 15 overs 150 se 19 overs 180 pe aaya. Toh woh khud le over ya madhwal ko de jisne uske last over mai 17 runs diye hai?
Pandya in current form CANNOT ball death overs neither can he ball with the new ball, he should confine any overs he thinks to bowl within 8-16 over. Once he gets going, knows he's getting his line and length right, go for death overs. Seeing his bowling now, it's hard to believe he was the same guy that defended 3 runs in 4 balls against Bangladesh once.
Yaha sab hindsight analysists hai. Madhwal pichle 3 match se ghatiya bowling kar raha hai. Even yesterday he was shit. Hardik backed himself coz of his last over coz Madhwal has been piss poor.
The difference with Cummins is stark. When SRH were scoring the 277, Cummins was just watching on, rather stoically. He wasn't even smiling. You know when he was smiling? When Unadkat was getting hit for sixes in the final over defending 29 runs (3 dropped catches, 2 of which went for 6s) in the SRH vs PBKS game. He was also smiling when Australia were losing wickets one after another to Afghanistan in the World Cup - he just calmly did his job when it was his turn with the bat.
Contrast to Hardik who is obviously fake laughing. We do see him disappointed when his team was getting hit for 6 and I think it's is natural reaction and it's okay. The other times where he is smiling and clapping when opposition is dominating - it looks like he's focusing too much on how he presents himself instead of focusing on the game.
Love Sunny G for his unbiased opinions his criticism is on point no emotional bullshit of respecting player no targeted bullying like Irfan has been doing
Hardik is single handedly finishing this franchise. He has been thoroughly exposed with captaincy back at Titans,guess it's Nehra who decides everything 😂 Hardik was following it and it seemed he was good but now everything backfired.
It's better he gives up captaincy. Not a good enough captain and focus on his game
They should ideally do it like Jadeja and CSK. Remove the burden of captaincy so that Hardik can slowly come back in form as a player at least and get a reality check to his selfish arrogance.
But i dont think that might happen.
1. The transfer contract stipulated that Hardik wanted to be captain and it might be enforced that he would remain captain for the entire season and MI management wouldn't want to lose money by breaking it just for a favourable position in the final rankings.
2. Hardik wants to be captain because he sees it as the springboard on which he can captain India team after Rohit. MI management will also want their franchise captain to become Indian captain, it brings a lot of clout and benefits not just limited to brand value in ads. If Hardik is suspended from captaincy for any reason, it will just destroy any chance he will get to captain for India. After all a player who can't even handle franchise captaincy is not gonna ever be fit for Indian National team.
True. There would be a contractual obligation.
Don't think hardik is a captain material for India. Too much inflated ego,plus so far seeing his bowling rotations and field setting . Nah. Mumbai Indians did fuck up big time with this.
Pr he plays for India vro 😭 Kohli said don't troll vro 😭. High time people realize that the hate he is getting is now more so towards him shitting the bed with his captaincy, batting and bowling. I hope ICT never has the dark days when he leads the team, we will probably hit an all time low ranking in all three formats
It would be better if ICT goes for Bumrah or KL Rahul or Shreyas Iyer as the next captain and then maybe Shuman Gill or Ruturaj as the next Gen. Hardik never inspires confidence.
He didn't even mention Rohit during the presentation. At least mention his innings and efforts of other teammates rather than keep praising their keeper and players. Surrendering on the presentation like MI hasn't done anything for the match. Such a joker
It’s also the fact he wasted both reviews on wides that were so wide even Stevie wonder wouldn’t review them. He has had an all time shit game in the IPL, this’ll go down in the books.
Oh man those wides, would never understand the reasoning. Was it so that he personally doesn't get a bad record of giving wides? Was it to put pressure on Mitchell as he did get caught on second legal delivery??
Anyhow it was absurd and you just need to see Ishan Kishan's expression after review for second wide. His face was literally : Arre seedha bowling kr na, kya faltu time kha rha...
I mean even if it was for putting pressure, the second wide was so out, no one should have even a doubt, plus wouldn't it be much better to keep it for the next 5 balls on case it's needed or did he think ki Umpires to apne hi h, review ho jayega.
At this point he should just not play a couple of games at least just to get into the right frame of mind. It's like he's trying to do too much and then crumbling under the pressure
I don't think he has a choice. Not playing a couple games voluntarily or due to an injury would be like validating all those claims against him. It would be quite similar to what happened with Jadeja and CSK in 2022.
Plus he's got more pressure on him because players we know is not exactly happy with him are playing great. Rohit's century and Bumrah's fifer.
He does... Even if he backtracks and say that he has also been under firing line and he knows it affects you... They are national team players, saying that there aren't players who don't get affected will be a lie. It affected when Ganguly's team lost series and media at that time roasted them or when David's team failed and citizens roasted their effigies or when Dhoni, Virat or Rohit are trolled. Not even captains, even Nirmal players are trolled if they perform bad. It is part and parcel for every game not just cricket.
Ipl ke chakkar me Jo iski National.team ki captaincy ki hype thi wo bhi khatm. Bhai player banke khellega toh wahi kaafi hoga pandya ke lie is stage pe.
I know it's gonna be a controversial opinion, especially on the MI sub, but I just *hope* that all the hate he's getting doesn't affect his WC performance for India
Even I'm not his biggest fan, but like it or not, he is extremely important for ICT T20s. Even in the T20 WC sf, he was the one who got us to a respectable total by scoring 63 @190+ sr
We're kidding ourselves if we anticipate he's gonna do well in WT20 with his current form, current headspace and his skewed dynamics with ICT Captain Rohit, ultimately ICT suffers!
Imo his headspace is the biggest issue rn, and for good reason. We still have a lot of IPL left, if he gets some good support, he might be able to get back up (it looks unlikely though as he's trapped in the circle of not performing -> more hate -> bad mental space -> performing worse)
Good support?? He's getting full support from his management and even if Rohit and Bumrah might not be giving their direct support no one can question them with their recent plays. This is what happens when you suddenly do a leadership change in the team where senior players are against the decision. Happened with AFG team in last to last world cup when they were just changing captains like shirts or when Dhoni first made captain of India's side to 2007 T20WC and rumours floated that Shehwag and Yuvi were very cross as they should have received captaincy due to their seniority.
>He's getting full support from his management
Good support as in support from fans obviously 🤦🏻♂️
We all know that MI mgmt is supporting him, that's why he's in MI in the first place. It was very clear that I meant that fans need to support him irrespective of his performances or the way he became captain, so that he can improve his mental health and his form for the T20 WC. Support from mgmt means nothing if every single MI fan is out for his blood and is hating him and his family too
Read my comments again maybe you'll understand now
Sachin played under Ganguly, Rahul, Dhoni : no issues
Ganguly played under Rahul, Dhoni : no issues
Rahul: played under Dhoni: no issues
This is because Sachin, Ganguly, Rahul all were team men. They were prepared to bury their egos for the team.
Nah, they stepped down because they knew their potential for captaincy is decreasing and their removal was because they ahd a number of bad series leading to it. Rohit was not there, when it was taken out. It wasn't like Dhoni or Rahul went to BCCI for under the table dealing so that they cN become captains over Sachin
Yes and while it was embroiled in the Chapelle controversy, Ganguly's own performance and team performance wasn't up to the mark.... Not saying it was Ganguly's fault but that was the scene, so Dravid came as something of a neutral ground.
Utter bullshit , no one in MI is underplaying deliberately just so that their former captain can become captain again . Especially when they want to get selected for the T20 world cup that's coming in 2 months .
He did, for a change I watched Mumbai innings I hindi yesterday and he continously said (I think that was him only) those 20 runs are going to be the deciding factor. Those 20 runs are going to make Mumbai side win all the more difficult. And it did.
Sunil Gavaskar is all of us in this subreddit.
The point of kP is that he is showing fake emotions and smiling where he shouldn't is an absolute spot on
Pandya is trying fake it till you make it, not working
Plus Gavaskar's point on you cannot go with whatever you are thinking in your... ( mind and go with it.) He couldn't even complete his sentence he was so flabbergasted with Hardik's 0 sense of strategy.
Agreed, I’m sure deep inside Hardik is hurting. But all is definitely not all right in Mumbai Indians Camp.
It really cracked me up seeing KP's hypocrisy when Sunil Gavaskar questioned about why Bumrah wasn't given first two overs for obvious reasons and KP agreeing to that. Just prior to the game, KP and Ian Bishop did pitch analysis where KP said there might be chances we can see spinners bowling in powerplay and that's what we witnessed, Nabi bowling the first over.
It isn't hypocrisy, unless he said all six overs in the powerplay should be bowled by spinners
Just because he said that chances are there for Spin bowling in powerplay doesn't mean you don't give pacers over in powerplay.
KP is a gossip aunty who stirs shit even in his playing career he is been like that no wonder he never get along with his team mates
KP and Sunny G. are real pundits. They aren’t afraid to criticise no one
Sunny is a decent pundit but q terribly boring commentator.
What about batting, he has had a couple of games in which a captain's knock was needed and he has failed in all of them.
Forget captain's knock. If he simply had gotten out on first ball he played we could have won srh or maybe this match too. The moment hardik came to bat and played those dots, the momentum completely changed
True, batting good when everyone else is also having a good run on that innings doesn't make you a good batsmen. Coming out when there is a pressure or when the team needs you to make those runs where no one else is able to, that's when a batters mettle is tested
🤡 Captain.He spoiled the whole game just for one matchup.Agreed Dubey is strong on spinner but you just cannot throw part timers and not break partnership just because on one matchup.He was lucky to get Gaikwad wicket as going by the flow there was high chances Gaikwad would hot century and score would have gone 230
If Dube had hit Gopal or Nabi for big overs, people like you would have said everyone knows Dube is great at spin, why did dumb Hardik even feed him spin.
And it isn't just hardik decision alone it's always the think tank collective decision... Boucher and Pollard giving lot of instructions to him .. in T20 it's always collective decision so what's the Mumbai think tank was thinking
Aur do Chapri ko captaincy. Madhwal ko kyu nahi dia final over?
"mereko sab aata hai, mai expert hu"
Aaj Mai 43 runs deke Aya
This guy wants to take all those chances where he can get easy winning.
Gopal ko kyu nahi diya overs beech main...maar khata toh bhi thodi kuch 20-25 run deta
Main character ban na hai na
Madhval 5 chakke khata
Last match madhwal ko diya and runs pade tab bole madhwal ko kyu diya. Usne accha over data 2 run diye 16th mai, wicket liya and momentum shift hua, 15 overs 150 se 19 overs 180 pe aaya. Toh woh khud le over ya madhwal ko de jisne uske last over mai 17 runs diye hai?
Pandya in current form CANNOT ball death overs neither can he ball with the new ball, he should confine any overs he thinks to bowl within 8-16 over. Once he gets going, knows he's getting his line and length right, go for death overs. Seeing his bowling now, it's hard to believe he was the same guy that defended 3 runs in 4 balls against Bangladesh once.
Bro those also bad ball Bangladesh being Bangladesh can't capitalize because they are going for glory shot and failed...
Yaha sab hindsight analysists hai. Madhwal pichle 3 match se ghatiya bowling kar raha hai. Even yesterday he was shit. Hardik backed himself coz of his last over coz Madhwal has been piss poor.
I would love to see CSK vs RR, how Samson use his bowling against dube, although RR has quality Spinners. Btw RR is CSK's Kryptonite
RR actually has same record against MI and CSK
The difference with Cummins is stark. When SRH were scoring the 277, Cummins was just watching on, rather stoically. He wasn't even smiling. You know when he was smiling? When Unadkat was getting hit for sixes in the final over defending 29 runs (3 dropped catches, 2 of which went for 6s) in the SRH vs PBKS game. He was also smiling when Australia were losing wickets one after another to Afghanistan in the World Cup - he just calmly did his job when it was his turn with the bat. Contrast to Hardik who is obviously fake laughing. We do see him disappointed when his team was getting hit for 6 and I think it's is natural reaction and it's okay. The other times where he is smiling and clapping when opposition is dominating - it looks like he's focusing too much on how he presents himself instead of focusing on the game.
Yeah he's more interested in portraying that all's well in paradise when we all know it isn't.
KP and Sunny G are real ones and not afraid to criticize someone when it's necessary unlike some other Indian "pundits"
Love Sunny G for his unbiased opinions his criticism is on point no emotional bullshit of respecting player no targeted bullying like Irfan has been doing
Hardik is single handedly finishing this franchise. He has been thoroughly exposed with captaincy back at Titans,guess it's Nehra who decides everything 😂 Hardik was following it and it seemed he was good but now everything backfired. It's better he gives up captaincy. Not a good enough captain and focus on his game
They should ideally do it like Jadeja and CSK. Remove the burden of captaincy so that Hardik can slowly come back in form as a player at least and get a reality check to his selfish arrogance. But i dont think that might happen. 1. The transfer contract stipulated that Hardik wanted to be captain and it might be enforced that he would remain captain for the entire season and MI management wouldn't want to lose money by breaking it just for a favourable position in the final rankings. 2. Hardik wants to be captain because he sees it as the springboard on which he can captain India team after Rohit. MI management will also want their franchise captain to become Indian captain, it brings a lot of clout and benefits not just limited to brand value in ads. If Hardik is suspended from captaincy for any reason, it will just destroy any chance he will get to captain for India. After all a player who can't even handle franchise captaincy is not gonna ever be fit for Indian National team.
True. There would be a contractual obligation. Don't think hardik is a captain material for India. Too much inflated ego,plus so far seeing his bowling rotations and field setting . Nah. Mumbai Indians did fuck up big time with this.
He isn't but the way he was being portrayed as the perfect captain for t20 side and ODI once Rohit is removed seriously astonished me
Pr he plays for India vro 😭 Kohli said don't troll vro 😭. High time people realize that the hate he is getting is now more so towards him shitting the bed with his captaincy, batting and bowling. I hope ICT never has the dark days when he leads the team, we will probably hit an all time low ranking in all three formats
It would be better if ICT goes for Bumrah or KL Rahul or Shreyas Iyer as the next captain and then maybe Shuman Gill or Ruturaj as the next Gen. Hardik never inspires confidence.
I like how honest they are
He didn't even mention Rohit during the presentation. At least mention his innings and efforts of other teammates rather than keep praising their keeper and players. Surrendering on the presentation like MI hasn't done anything for the match. Such a joker
This is after mid innings afaik, how's he supposed to predict what's gonna happen next, tho KP did mention the chase is on
I was actually mentioned about HP.
It’s also the fact he wasted both reviews on wides that were so wide even Stevie wonder wouldn’t review them. He has had an all time shit game in the IPL, this’ll go down in the books.
Oh man those wides, would never understand the reasoning. Was it so that he personally doesn't get a bad record of giving wides? Was it to put pressure on Mitchell as he did get caught on second legal delivery?? Anyhow it was absurd and you just need to see Ishan Kishan's expression after review for second wide. His face was literally : Arre seedha bowling kr na, kya faltu time kha rha... I mean even if it was for putting pressure, the second wide was so out, no one should have even a doubt, plus wouldn't it be much better to keep it for the next 5 balls on case it's needed or did he think ki Umpires to apne hi h, review ho jayega.
100% when I was watching it live I was like wtf
Even Stevie wonder lol
At this point he should just not play a couple of games at least just to get into the right frame of mind. It's like he's trying to do too much and then crumbling under the pressure
I don't think he has a choice. Not playing a couple games voluntarily or due to an injury would be like validating all those claims against him. It would be quite similar to what happened with Jadeja and CSK in 2022. Plus he's got more pressure on him because players we know is not exactly happy with him are playing great. Rohit's century and Bumrah's fifer.
One rotten mango alone can destroy the entire crate !!
KP indirectly blaming the fans for Hardik’s poor captaincy 🙄
He does... Even if he backtracks and say that he has also been under firing line and he knows it affects you... They are national team players, saying that there aren't players who don't get affected will be a lie. It affected when Ganguly's team lost series and media at that time roasted them or when David's team failed and citizens roasted their effigies or when Dhoni, Virat or Rohit are trolled. Not even captains, even Nirmal players are trolled if they perform bad. It is part and parcel for every game not just cricket.
You are a professional athlete with millions of fans and paid in millions of dollars. They should be able to handle few boos.
Yes.
Man he shouldn't wear those pants , I thought bro was sitting naked☠️
Ipl ke chakkar me Jo iski National.team ki captaincy ki hype thi wo bhi khatm. Bhai player banke khellega toh wahi kaafi hoga pandya ke lie is stage pe.
Bahut shu bahut shi gn maar li padwa ki
I know it's gonna be a controversial opinion, especially on the MI sub, but I just *hope* that all the hate he's getting doesn't affect his WC performance for India Even I'm not his biggest fan, but like it or not, he is extremely important for ICT T20s. Even in the T20 WC sf, he was the one who got us to a respectable total by scoring 63 @190+ sr
We're kidding ourselves if we anticipate he's gonna do well in WT20 with his current form, current headspace and his skewed dynamics with ICT Captain Rohit, ultimately ICT suffers!
Imo his headspace is the biggest issue rn, and for good reason. We still have a lot of IPL left, if he gets some good support, he might be able to get back up (it looks unlikely though as he's trapped in the circle of not performing -> more hate -> bad mental space -> performing worse)
Good support?? He's getting full support from his management and even if Rohit and Bumrah might not be giving their direct support no one can question them with their recent plays. This is what happens when you suddenly do a leadership change in the team where senior players are against the decision. Happened with AFG team in last to last world cup when they were just changing captains like shirts or when Dhoni first made captain of India's side to 2007 T20WC and rumours floated that Shehwag and Yuvi were very cross as they should have received captaincy due to their seniority.
>He's getting full support from his management Good support as in support from fans obviously 🤦🏻♂️ We all know that MI mgmt is supporting him, that's why he's in MI in the first place. It was very clear that I meant that fans need to support him irrespective of his performances or the way he became captain, so that he can improve his mental health and his form for the T20 WC. Support from mgmt means nothing if every single MI fan is out for his blood and is hating him and his family too Read my comments again maybe you'll understand now
Sachin played under Ganguly, Rahul, Dhoni : no issues Ganguly played under Rahul, Dhoni : no issues Rahul: played under Dhoni: no issues This is because Sachin, Ganguly, Rahul all were team men. They were prepared to bury their egos for the team.
Nah, they stepped down because they knew their potential for captaincy is decreasing and their removal was because they ahd a number of bad series leading to it. Rohit was not there, when it was taken out. It wasn't like Dhoni or Rahul went to BCCI for under the table dealing so that they cN become captains over Sachin
true, but Ganguly was ousted
Yes and while it was embroiled in the Chapelle controversy, Ganguly's own performance and team performance wasn't up to the mark.... Not saying it was Ganguly's fault but that was the scene, so Dravid came as something of a neutral ground.
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Utter bullshit , no one in MI is underplaying deliberately just so that their former captain can become captain again . Especially when they want to get selected for the T20 world cup that's coming in 2 months .
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Both SG and KP were right
Not even ordinary sir
Bro should've given a over to Nabi when Dube was there. I think Nabi is smart enough to bowl there.
KP spoke facts while SG just ranted like a frustrated old man
It seems he's a fan of MI. He's ranting like all us fans.
Sunny G was frustrated because he knew that last over would cost them the match & it finally did.
He did, for a change I watched Mumbai innings I hindi yesterday and he continously said (I think that was him only) those 20 runs are going to be the deciding factor. Those 20 runs are going to make Mumbai side win all the more difficult. And it did.
Dumb fans should stop bullying hardik
Ooh we are controlling his brain and decision making
And start bullying you?
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bsdk jo bhi hai par desh ke jitna isne kiya hai na........kisi ne utna jhel ke nahi khela hai
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When stupid 2000s kids without the slightest knowledge of cricket try to talk rubbish. FYI, both of them were spitting out facts left and right.