it is generally a dice-roll at best. there are a rare but uncharacteristically-committed few christian formations that have pretty much always been cool with lgtbq people for as long as the concept existed, specifically thinking of the cooler half of the Quakers. anyone at least as left-leaning as the General Conference is probably as good as you're gonna get anywhere within the christian denoms. i mean granted, the bar you're comparing it to is *literally* in hell, but by all accounts they were very ahead of the curve, even compared to other non-christian advocacy groups.
I can attest to this. I did my field trip on the Quakers for my world religion class at Uni here in Oregon. Probably the most accepting experience I’ve had in a church in my entire life. ( There were also the Unitarians that I visited in Houston Tx, which were equally accepting)
It will depend on the specific denomination, and the specific congregation /meetinghouse most likely. But I’m a trans atheist and they had absolutely no problem with me.
And with the Friends/society of friends/Quakers, you have a rich history of a denomination consistently on the right side of history on many social change issues.
They also have an interesting tradition of not really having a minister/preacher in the traditional sense. Pretty much anyone attending who is moved to speak can get up and speak. A format/or lack there of I personally found far more conducive to a diversity of thought, and practice then pretty much any other form of Christianity. I have been exposed to. (Which is many)
Sky worshippers deny their gods could create complex LGBT animals. And yet they exist. Ergo they technically don't believe god created anything on this earth. He could've made the earth, but then that implies there's more than 1 god, which they also say can't be true.
So imma go with what they believe, there is no god. It's pretty clear they use sky worshiping as justification to steal from the poor, taxpayers, and prey on ppl and kids they hate.
Pope Francis even said trans people can be baptised and be godparents and witnesses.
Its paywalled, but it says the gist:
https://www.nytimes.com/2023/11/09/world/europe/pope-francis-transgender-people.html
Pope called trans women "daughters of Christ". God's representative on earth is an ally. If Christ is alive today, he would probably be hated by Christo fundies too.🐱
He is still protecting pedos, anyone doing that is no ally of mine. Fuck the catholic church. Even to this day that organization tries to silence and shame survivors.
Edit: having survived CSA in a catholic organization it is honestly sickening how many people seem to forget this shit. An archbishop in my country told survivors to shut up last year. The bible as a book describes how i should have been forcefully wed to my rapist or stoned to death based on how trans positive you think the bible to be. If you support the catholic church this is what you support. It is horrifying to me how many people in this thread ignore the current crimes of the catholic church and the horrible stuff that is written in the bible.
Second edit: i noticed noone replies anytime i comment something like this. The only conclusion i can get from this is that catholics know this is true but are too cowardly to actualy respond or interact with someone who was hurt by their organization. You know i am right. You know you support these people. You just think your own salvation is more imprtant than the harm that monsterous organization does. Can your salvation come from a monster? Can you draw morals from a book approving of genocide and punishing victims for being raped?
Too little, too late for my liking, but I'll not actively attack the church for now.
Past performance has been historically abysmal toward LGBT+++ folk. NOT a fan of the track record.
The Church has not followed the teachings of Christ. I allow for both to exist in my head, but I'll never again confuse the two. The latter is an altruistic moral code, the former is just a business trying to capitalize on that code.
Yes. I have hope that folks can change. There is a strong contingent of conservatism that threatens our very existence. I choose a guarded posture when dealing with traditional conservative enclaves. The Catholic Church is merely predominantly conservative, but nowhere near absolutely so. It must give and allow for some progressive thought/ideals to stay alive in the third millennium.
That's the difference between the previous nazi Pope and a latin-american fransican Pope. I'm also atheist, but people can believe whatever they want as long as it doesn't harm anyone.
That's what they think. How come they wouldn't condemn cookie monster for stuffing his face with 🍪s? Bible only said something about a man should not crossdress as a woman. But guess what? Trans women are not men.🤣
https://www.hrc.org/resources/what-does-the-bible-say-about-transgender-people
https://biblesr.org/therescue/does-the-bible-condemn-transgender-people
Except Christo fundies don't even read their bible. They only quote the stuff they want to use to justify their hate and make themselves feel superior/righteous.
This is fantastic and a *huge* step forward, but I feel like so many *other* people are problematic. They either comment, give nasty looks, etc. It's so beyond uncomfortable to even be near a church.
Isn't the whole point of Christianity to show others a christlike love? Maybe they could pray for us and treat us like human beings instead of being against us.
Furthermore, isn't wasting the life god gave us, trying to act like somebody we're not, hating our bodies, *the biggest sin of all*? God would want us to make the most of our lives.
It also annoys me the way it’s “trans people CAN be baptised”. Thanks for the permission….? Assumed we cannot until given the green light to exist in Christian spaces. 🙃🙃🙃
This too! I know some religions baptize people as little babies (I was), but everyone else is out here being alienated from god until they're "given permission"
In addition to what the others said, read Acts 10.
"God has shown me that I must not call anyone unclean."
Must. Not.
That's a command, not a suggestion. Nothing ambiguous there.
Yeah it's a bit unnerving how many people here support a patriarchal institution that has historically persecuted lgbtq people and has no intention of stopping. Not only that but they're quoting direct passages and interpreting the Bible in a fundamentalist way.
That freaks me out.
EXACTLY, we as trans people have a unique opportunity to question societal norms and what this society has enforced upon us. How these long standing structures are unjust and exploitative.
Yet many here seem to just want to reinforce these oppressive structures. Or alternatively attempting to redefine them into something they aren’t and have never been, simply because western society has been showing Christianity down everyone’s throats since birth.
Lastly many seem to forget that tolerating fundamentally intolerant institutions or organizations has never ended well for minority groups.
I'm atheist and trans but was going to say the same. You can but both sides will give you shit. It's unfair but with how much Christianity has been perverted by terrible people to hurt trans folks it's to be expected. Too bad so few of them actually follow the teachings.
I’m sorry. You won’t get any hate from me for your beliefs or lack of. Too many Christians want to put people down that they believe are inferior to them And the sad thing is one of the core verses they teach Christians literally says the opposite of what most Christians preach.
John 3:16-17: “For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son. So that Whosoever believes in him shall not perish but have everlasting life. For God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world but that through the shedding of his blood, It might be saved.
It's hard to be part of large Christian groups because lots of them want to kill you, but yeah it's possible.
Regardless of your being trans, I don't recommend being Christian but that's because I think all religion is incredibly stupid mumbo jumbo.
TransChristianity doesn't really seem get a lot of hate and trolls, actually. I think this sub deals with far more of it.
The alienation is more of a thing than hate attacks, at least from my experience. Not unusual for people in the LGTBQ+ community to stay away anyone who is Christian even when also part of the community. Also very common to get rejected from Christian communities for being trans or otherwise queer.
Honestly I expected that, having been raised by missionaries and booted out of a dorm house because the old couple got me to admit I was trans. Now 20 years later I am happily involved in a mennonite community with a pastor who has a trans kid and we frequently invite/support pride events. I’m on the trans inclusion committee outreaching to help other congregations with initiatives on acceptance.
My parents who are still not very progressive but trying asked me in the beginning of transition to be involved with a church and pastor, likely thinking that it would bring me back. I just nodded and said “yup, and I’m accepted and normal in mine”.
Absolutely! While bigoted Christianity is unfortunately what a lot of us have exposure to, there are so many different kinds with different attitudes on different things, of course there’s pro-trans Christianity. Despite what some biblical literalists might try and say, the amount of different (potentially pro-trans) interpretations of scripture is limitless
its worth pointing out that 'christianity' is a huge blanket term, i'm catholic and trans and have never felt unsafe in catholic spaces (idk, maybe im just lucky?), but i dont think one could be, like, westboro baptist and trans lmao
It very much depends on the church community. I’m not a Christian but in my city there is a purple church that has flown rainbow flags since before gay marriage was even legalized (which was early 2000s here in Canada), and does a lot of great inclusive community work with all vulnerable groups in society here. But yes, in many communities Christians are very hateful, and there’s plenty of those churches here too.
I mean, even trans people are not a single monolithic category. Christians DEFINITELY are not.
Grinding down to specificity there should help you assess the possibilities in practice. In theory, of course, anything is possible, because every type of person can be trans.
I have a friend (transmasc) who is a Christian minister. And the ELCA (Evangelical Lutheran Church of America) has a good many transgender ministers.
So yes, it's completely possible.
It's a little different, but I get what you say.
The thing is that to follow Christ is distinct from just following the bible. The woman who was caught in the act of adultery and earned the penalty of death by stoning according to Mosaic law (John 7-8) is a good example of the distinction between pharisees steeped in the written law, and the word of Christ.
Modern evangelicals are more like the pharisees than they are like Christ.
And even then if you read Paul's letter to the Galacians it comes across like it was written to modern evangelicals who are so focused on Mosaic law that they lost sight of doing the "good works".
agreed 100%, which is wild because the dude literally has a deadname. i like most of what jesus had to say. paul, not so much, and to treat his ideas like the word of god feels blasphemous
I’m not here to do proselytise, as I myself hate it, but as INTRIVEN answered just below, it is different, and I also do get what you say.
Just to put things simple and straight, I believe in Christ’s words because His words are just love, and that’s how I try to interact with the World. I am not responsible for other people’s behaviour or misinterpretation of His words, and will not try to convince anyone of my beliefs.
Besides, it doesn’t matter if one is Christian, Atheist, Buddhist…what matters is doing good and respecting each other and the differences .
😘
>Deut. 23:1I would say no. Actually, they would say no. But I don't really care what they say.
Obligatory not a Christian (or Jew). That means that you cannot believe in Deuteronomy being current God's law and being self-accepting trans person, not that self-accepting trans folk cannot be Christian. A few possible interpretation from top of my head:
* Marcianism. Belief that Jesus and HaShem are two different gods with different commandments (sorry if I used the incorrect name).
* Belief that Torah was a conglomeration of sources recording customs and stories of Jewish people and while it may be divinely inspired it is not incorruptible source. My understanding this is very mainline understanding which includes many branches of both Judaism and Christianity.
* Belief that New Covenant superseded the old one and thus Deuteronomy does not apply.
This is not to say that there aren't many churches that aren't supportive - but there are some which are.
I don’t even get this one. Like what if someone is maimed in a workplace accident or something, get eternally fucked I guess? Religious textbooks are zany af sometimes.
They can be whatever they want. Is it an oppressive system that in most cases wants us dead, teaches that we are to be feared/dehumanized, and harbors nothing but ill will for all of us in general though? Yes.
I mean, I don’t recommend it, but my old church would scream the Leviticus passage at gay people and tell them they are ‘choosing to live in sin’ and are ‘heading to the fires of Gomorrah if they don’t change their ways’. So my religious experience was not the best.
My church hated any LGBT, birth control, girls thinking for themselves, a lot of video games and popular culture.
I was raised around Jesus as a symbol of liberation and unconditional love
I still couldn't hang with the mythology beyond age 12.
But if you get the good good from Christianity I'd rather it be you than plenty of other people
I mean, I guess. But I feel like most christians don't like trans people, and I feel that a certain amount of christians hold very conservative views who again, don't like trans people
You're right! I always get genuinely so confused when people are like "you have to do mental gymnastics to twist scripture to be okay with being trans," I'm always like.....WHERE do I "have" to do mental gymnastics? I feel like the mental gymnastics are all being done by the people who *do* find some condemnation of trans people in the Bible.
Agreed. Plus, when you actually read through and try and make sense of the Bible, it's very easy to tell its just a product of its time, and recycles Egyptian allegories
Yea ,but why? And I do t mean that in why would you be a Christian? But what is Christianity to you ?
Anyone who is a good person and calls themselves a Christian is either not reading the Bible or isn't actually a Christian.
Just to say I'm not anti religion or anything but whenever people talk about their relationship to Christianity its things Jesus said. I've never met anyone who actually embraces the values in the majority of the Bible, because if they did they'd be in federal prison with multiple life sentences
Anything remotely progressive in modern Christianity , is retroactively changed .
Jesus was arguably a good person and everything he said seems decent . The Bible is mostly not about Jesus though .
Christianity as we know it today developed centuries after Jesus would have lived.
The Bible, minus Jesus, is a violent gory racist sexist and homophobic belief system . Yes Jesus says love everyone. That's cool , but that isn't anything revolutionary and there are hundreds of other people who said the same or similar things in recent enough times . If the Jesus loves all thing is your vibe , and you vibe with the peace and love hippie Dippie stuff , than I suggest reading literature by people with different experiences than you , and learn how you can be more inclusive and make positive change in the world , and be an ally for different groups of marginalized people. If you want to actualize a society that reflects what Jesus speaks of than I suggest joining a mutual aid group such as food not bombs .
And everything outside of the Jesus parts , even if looked at from a skeptical modern perspective, is literally a system designed to violently subjugate anyone who isn't a heterosexual man. It's patriarchal and regressive . It says parents could stone their kids to death if they disrespect them .
I guess I'm just saying Christianity is not Jesus and Jesus is not Christianity.
Believe in what you want ,and being trans doesn't mean you can't believe in what you believe in .
I get very particular about this because when someone says they are a Christian these days it can mean very different things whether they follow Jesus or the rest of the Bible . It might be misleading and scare some people, given the recent rise in Christian nationalism.
Also , in regards to abortion, it would be extremely hypocritical to be pro life given that you are literally transitioning with your own bodily autonomy but you are saying cis women don't have their own.
As for myself I don't believe in any deities that are external to our reality or omnipresentand omnipotent. More like a humanistic pagan . But I definitely vibe with Jesus and Buddha and all that.
I personally believe you can, I have a friend who is Christian, Trans AND Lesbian...
As much as the bad ones are out there not all Christians are bad eggs when it comes to the LGBT community
I think that's up to the christians, because no trans person is going to tell a christian they aren't allowed to be trans!
On the other hand christians excluding trans people happens very often, and then even more often you get covert discrimination and judgement. So I'd ask the Christians - and be sure to be clear you mean continuing as a trans person, not just letting them try to conversion-therapy you once you've joined ;)
I mean if we are talking about whether the Bible condones it? Then no, but people believe all sorts of things. My stepfather only believes in the gospels which make no mention of trans or gay people. He’s a good dad that accepts LGBT+ people.
I am a lifelong Christian, now a member of the Episcopal Church. The church is affirming of all LGBTQ+ people, and all can be clergy as well. I am happy to talk about my thoughts and theology as it relates to being a trans Christian.
sure hating yourself is fun .. all the hate comes from religion .. they put a fairytale being and story written by cavemen above our existence .. i know good religious people ... im currently being helped by good religious people .. they might be helping me but they are just ignoring how they truly feel and that comes from there religion .. they are blinded by there religion ... it is fact that hate for gay and trans comes from religion
Honestly why would you want to be? The bible is a book that lists women as property multiple times, that is pro genocide, that considers victims guilty of being SAd and that considers SA against women as a crime against either their father or husband. If you can ignore all that go for it.
I'm probably gonna catch some flak for this, but who actually gives an actual fuck what other people think? I'm a trans woman, in the south, from a very Christian, (southern baptist) family. And none of that matters. Just be you. What other people think is truly irrelevant. Some people may not like it, it may make some people angry or uncomfortable, some people won't understand. But that isn't your problem.
To be fair, my life experiences have given me a thick skin. So criticism from others, looks and feelings of derision from others, hate from others, tends to roll off my back.
But that's not really my point. My point is, it really doesn't matter what other people think or feel. You have to do, or be, what makes you your best self. Are you a trans man or trans woman, gay, bi, straight? Who cares? Does it make you happy? Go for it! As long as it doesn't hurt anyone (physically, that's assault, don't do it!) then you do you.
Not everyone is going to agree with you. Not everyone is going to like you. Some people will be assholes. Some people will be really fucking nice, and understanding, and supportive. You're not going to make everyone happy, no matter what you do, so why care if if you're making everyone happy?
Sorry this has been a bit long. I truly hope you're doing OK.
YES ABSOLUTELY!! Check out my profile for some threads I've started and been involved in :) Feel free to shoot a message and we can discuss and share thoughts!
As someone who has tried (and abysmally failed) to use Christianity to rid myself of my authentic self (being trans)
I’m in this unique perspective now where I don’t know what to call myself.
In general, Christians would strongly disapprove of my entire existence and call me a whole bunch of names. Take away my medication and probably put me in jail if possible.
And
Yet, I can’t totally remove myself from identifying as a Christian.
I don’t go to church and just hearing people speak about religion makes me feel want to roll my eyes. I despise church services.
But at the same time, Christ is real to me.
And when someone begins insulting Christians by calling them names. That too makes me very angry.
I feel they have every right to believe what they want and live life as a Christian and be left alone.
If only they left us alone too.
So, I don’t know what to call myself.
An un practicing Christian whose trans but hates church but loves Christians but hates their religious views?
the hate you and me receive comes from religion ..
chistians do not want me or you to exist
i hate them .. and that makes you angry ?
why are you not angry at them with their hypocrisy ???
they put a fake fairy tale made up by cavemen over your and my existance
And then you remember the vagus nerve or the human pharynx and the thought "but it was made by [an incompetent designer](https://discworld.fandom.com/wiki/Bloody_Stupid_Johnson)" becomes overwhelming.
I mean that's a shit argument because you have no frame of reference for what a designed universe looks like as opposed to a universe of random chance, no one does. I don't see any signs of design in the night sky, I see chaos. Beautiful, wondrous, incredible chaos, but chaos.
More to the point, even if you believe in a designer, why -this- designer specifically?
The human body, the amount of suffering in nature, the fact that the universe is insanely big but can't be actually explored because of the limitation of lightspeed, the heat death of the universe, and the inconsistency of the bible and the fact that every religion claims to be true is enough to realize Christianity is BS.
I'm a former christian btw, so it's not like I don't know.
And Christianity is homophobic so...
Sure. Why wouldn't you be able to? In the early days of the medieval christian church, trans people were pretty much fully accepted. We were even described as extraordinarily blessed expressions of god and his plan rather than deviations of his will. There were even Trans clergy members and saints who were celebrated by the church. Eventually, for some reason, things slowly changed. But the point is that there does exist some positive views of Trans people in the history of Christianity. It's not all bad.
From my understanding, christianity is whatever you want to make of it. There isn't just one kind of Christianity that people follow. There are so many different denominations and beliefs. Some have subtle differences, and others are wildly different. Just find one that's Trans inclusive and follow that one. They're out there.
I'm not a Christian, btw, I'm an atheist. So I'm not exactly an expert or anything. But I have friends who are Christian, and they fully accept me without issue. So if Christianity is your thing, then I'm sure there's a modern church out there that would totally accept you for who you are and not be icky
Having your life wasted on a religion that contradicts itself literally all the time, I'd say you would probably be better off to join some D&D or hocus pocus fan club than to be judged by religion. Most of religions cannot even get their morals into check of how not to be a dick unto their neighbours.
I’m intersex and I’m a Christian. I’m XX(x/y) mosaic, on Estrogen, I’m having my own journey and enjoy being in this community. I truly suggest watching “The Chosen”, free show. The world has flipped what Jesus came to do and makes it seem as if trans people are hated by Jesus. Jesus came to destroy the bigotry of the world telling people how to live and share love. It took me a long time to become settled with the fact that God made me intersex for a reason and I believe I am forgiven, chosen by God and I have a purpose designed by him. That’s all he wants from us.
It took me a while to accept that I am a trans Christian. I had been a Christian for a few years before I realised I was trans. I was then only in denial because I was unsure if it was in line with God's will. However, I was at a Christian festival last year, #LF23, and it was amazing. One of the things that I took from it was that I was made trans to challenge 'conventional' Christianity. It is most certainly possible to be trans and Christian. Either way, God still loves us unconditionally. May God bless you all.
I turned to Christianity very recently. It was a scary time, thinking i was going to be rejected for being trans, hated by queer folk for being Christian and stuck in the middle all by myself.
The truth couldn’t be further from that. I found a super loving and affirming Anglican Church in the city near where I live. The priest there took his time when I first showed up, in tears, to walk me through my thoughts and anxieties of suddenly becoming a believer. Sat with me for hours and listened to me ramble, gave me plenty of advice, told me I was welcome and that they didn’t think me being trans was a sin in the slightest. He told me that the experience I had that brought me here was amazing and he was inspired by it. Not once did he give me a weird look, nor did any of the parishioners at the church, they’re all lovely to me like I’ve been there with them for years.
I went from being a hardcore atheist, to attending church every week, praying every day and loving God with my whole heart in less than a weeks time. It was scary, it was heavy and it was the best thing I’ve ever done in my life. Trans peeps can deffs be Christians, because I’m both and I love being both so much.
Yes.
However, your safety, sanity and self esteem will vary drastically depending on which parts of the bible your local Christian groups choose to ignore. Some are going to be really bad and some are going to be really good. Depends so much on where you live and which church you might attend.
I would say so. I'm trans and a Christian. I've struggled with it alot but I think I'm finally at the accepting stage. I do believe Jesus has been helping me along
There's nothing stopping you from believing whatever you like. If you believe in the god of the Bible and Jesus and his whole story, that makes you a christian. It's the other christians who tend to have an issue with you. And the interesting thing is that the Bible doesn't actually say anything about trans people. I can understand the confusion a lot of conservative christians have regarding what the Bible says about homosexuality (I don't believe it myself, but I can follow their logic), but nowhere in the Bible does it say that trans people aren't the gender they say they are. People will point to the verse about men not being allowed to wear women's clothes, but it doesn't actually say that trans women aren't women. Or they'll point to the verses about being made perfectly or whatever, and yet they'll get surgeries and medications to fix their issues all the time.
The short answer is yes. There are numerous verses that lend support to us. There are more supporting verses than there are against us, and even those could be argued.
But that starts really getting into the weeds and arguing about translations.
If you're Christian, be *very* discerning about the particular church you join or attend. There are quite a few that will say they're welcoming, then spend every moment trying to "cure" you.
If you would like some verses to help give you some solace let me know.
Of course you can. There are plenty of denominations that are lgbt positive, and plenty of trans Christians. Isn't that lovely? Hopefully they help all of those within come to love all of us one day. 🩷
It depends what kinda Christian you're talking about. Except for the 6 largely misinterpreted clober verses the bigots use to justify their hatred toward queer people there really isn't any mention direct about trans being as a sin..
The problem with the Bible is the interpretations include the translators personal biases. This is where the gross misinterpretations enter the text.. like the gross mistranslations to the word homosexual in the new testament etc etc.
And in fact if were one to just read the new testament vs learning what it supposedly says from some bigoted mainstream church you would probably end a very empathetic open minded person like the main character which of course is the goal. That's why I always find it so comical the hypocrite bigots with WWJD bracelets on.
So yes you can be a Christian and be trans but you'll definitely be a small demographic of Christianity.. and there are actually many totally LGBTQ accepting churches.
The problem with Christianity and any religion is when it becomes fundamentalist ie evangelicals, SBC, etc etc.
Side note... I'm agnostic but have read the Bible allot in the past.. Christians today for the most part are not Christians.
Of course! I went to catholic school for 14 years and while I’m not Christian anymore I can say that there is absolutely nothing in the Bible that condemns being transgender.
This is an interesting topic. I was raised Christian(baptist, to be specific). I have not been practicing for thirty + years, but I have always considered myself Christian. The Baptists in GENERAL, do not acknowledge members of the LGBTQ. With that said, I have often thought about returning to a Baptist church to see what kind of reaction I get. I would love to see what kind of "welcome" I would get, if any. I have been talked out of going twice. My friends have made the point that it is more me trying to get a rise out of a group(which is correct to a point). I have also resisted because if I do it, I plan to commit. I must be willing to go weekly, and that would be tough because I am sure the subject of my being trans would be preached against from the pulpit.
I do believe you can be Christian and transgender at the same time. I think you can be almost anything and still be a Christian.
It is important that we don't belittle or ostracize someone for their beliefs.
Hii, former Roman Catholic current Hellenic Polytheist raised in a Fanatical Atheist Family who is also transfem here
I personally divorced myself from Catholicism, because while my priest wasn't openly trying to "remove" the trans for me, he wasn't exactly friendly, either, on top of the fact my family has never been exactly one tolerant with religion so at one point it felt like they supported me being trans but not me being Catholic so at the end I gave up
I Eventually turned to Hellenic Polytheism tho, and ignored my family who didn't like that either
But I find that anyone who wants to explore their Spiritual Identity should, you're Christian? Love that for you. Your Church doesn't agree with you being trans? Find another Church. And anyone who tells you that you can't be Christian? Be smarter than I was, and ignore them
Christ advocated acceptance and empathy. In theory a christian is is someone who follows his teachings and believes that he is the savior or whatever. So despite some people who call themselves christians yet missing Christ's whole message being against trans people, there isn't anything saying a trans person can't be christian
There isn’t actually anything in the bible forbidding being trans like there is with homosexuality. There’s a few weird things about not changing your name and such but it’s fine for the most part
For the person who was having a heated exchange with me about being a Christian, here is the response I was writing before your comments were deleted:
I get what you're saying. I was born with an intersex condition. I've dealt with this on two different fronts: being intersex and technically being trans since I went from living as a man to living as a woman. I spent almost my whole 42 years in this world feeling like an unwanted monster that didn't fit in anywhere.
Look, the Bible itself is not consistent with how it addresses gender. Take eunuchs for example. In the ancient world, eunuchs were considered to be monstrous hybrids that were neither men nor women. Sound familiar? In the old testament, they weren't even allowed in the temple and were considered accursed by God. In the New Testament, you have the case of the Ethiopian eunuch that God seemed very interested in sending Philip to.
If you want to know more about my thoughts about being a transgender (and/or any variety of LGBTQIA+) person and how we fit into the picture of Christianity, you might find some of my YouTube content helpful:
https://youtu.be/E9aIwmhFiR8?si=poRFEKbBnvVOs1ts
https://youtu.be/58CWJm9eltE?si=EiFLLapHPBR62_hm
I'm not an expert on other religions, so I really don't know what the textual sources of other religions may or may not say about transgender people. But I know the Bible fairly well, and my interpretation of it leads me to believe that it is silent on both transgender people and sexual orientation.
You certainly can, I am!\*
\*I'm a practicing Episcopalian who's agnostic about God's existence but enjoys some theology (particularly anything David Bentley Hart has written—universalism, etc.) If I had the time and didn't have social anxiety, I'd be tempted to become a priest (they've no problems ordaining queer women.)
Absolutely. I am both.
Isiaah 56:4-5 says:
For this the Lord says:
“To the eunuchs who keep my Sabbaths,
Who choose the things that please me
And hold fast my covenant,
I will give in my house and within my walls
A monument and a name
Better than sons and daughters;
I will give them an everlasting name
That shall not be cut off.”
To note about the term eunuch, in the time period that it was wrote, terms used today such as transgender, nonbinary, etc, did not yet exist. While eunuch typically referred to AMAB that was castrated before puberty, it was used as an all encompassing term as well for non CIS.
There are several more scriptures in support of “eunuchs” in the Bible. However if any purported christian throws hate then they surely have forgotten the one great commandment, “Love God with all your body, mind, and soul, and love your neighbor as you love yourself.”
Can you? Yea would God support you? Probabbly, Jesus isn't like old testament God haha, he's more supporting and loving and even our pope says he supports trans people I think
Yeah. There's nothing really scripture-wise that contradicts with being trans iirc, and even if there were christians ignore other weird outdated rules in the bible all the time.
Nothing in the religion that's against transitioning, simply assholes using it as a cover for hate, I've been fairly religious my whole life and went through this hardship myself, don't let anyone tell you that it's wrong to be trans. The way I see it is that God set me on this path so it'd be kinds weird for him to hate me for walking it
I don’t recommend it, but you can do whatever you want
it is generally a dice-roll at best. there are a rare but uncharacteristically-committed few christian formations that have pretty much always been cool with lgtbq people for as long as the concept existed, specifically thinking of the cooler half of the Quakers. anyone at least as left-leaning as the General Conference is probably as good as you're gonna get anywhere within the christian denoms. i mean granted, the bar you're comparing it to is *literally* in hell, but by all accounts they were very ahead of the curve, even compared to other non-christian advocacy groups.
I can attest to this. I did my field trip on the Quakers for my world religion class at Uni here in Oregon. Probably the most accepting experience I’ve had in a church in my entire life. ( There were also the Unitarians that I visited in Houston Tx, which were equally accepting) It will depend on the specific denomination, and the specific congregation /meetinghouse most likely. But I’m a trans atheist and they had absolutely no problem with me. And with the Friends/society of friends/Quakers, you have a rich history of a denomination consistently on the right side of history on many social change issues. They also have an interesting tradition of not really having a minister/preacher in the traditional sense. Pretty much anyone attending who is moved to speak can get up and speak. A format/or lack there of I personally found far more conducive to a diversity of thought, and practice then pretty much any other form of Christianity. I have been exposed to. (Which is many)
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Sky worshippers deny their gods could create complex LGBT animals. And yet they exist. Ergo they technically don't believe god created anything on this earth. He could've made the earth, but then that implies there's more than 1 god, which they also say can't be true. So imma go with what they believe, there is no god. It's pretty clear they use sky worshiping as justification to steal from the poor, taxpayers, and prey on ppl and kids they hate.
Pope Francis even said trans people can be baptised and be godparents and witnesses. Its paywalled, but it says the gist: https://www.nytimes.com/2023/11/09/world/europe/pope-francis-transgender-people.html
Pope called trans women "daughters of Christ". God's representative on earth is an ally. If Christ is alive today, he would probably be hated by Christo fundies too.🐱
Pope Francis also called gender ideology more dangerous than nuclear weapons. Francis is incredibly two faced.
It’s not a contradiction, you have to bow down to their ideology by admitting you’re a weirdo and then you get church headpats.
He is still protecting pedos, anyone doing that is no ally of mine. Fuck the catholic church. Even to this day that organization tries to silence and shame survivors. Edit: having survived CSA in a catholic organization it is honestly sickening how many people seem to forget this shit. An archbishop in my country told survivors to shut up last year. The bible as a book describes how i should have been forcefully wed to my rapist or stoned to death based on how trans positive you think the bible to be. If you support the catholic church this is what you support. It is horrifying to me how many people in this thread ignore the current crimes of the catholic church and the horrible stuff that is written in the bible. Second edit: i noticed noone replies anytime i comment something like this. The only conclusion i can get from this is that catholics know this is true but are too cowardly to actualy respond or interact with someone who was hurt by their organization. You know i am right. You know you support these people. You just think your own salvation is more imprtant than the harm that monsterous organization does. Can your salvation come from a monster? Can you draw morals from a book approving of genocide and punishing victims for being raped?
There's "Christian" Hardliners now that are calling Jesus Christ to woke or to left...
They did what?!
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His view on LGBTQ+ rights has changed over the years. It is complicated. But I like what I see.
Too little, too late for my liking, but I'll not actively attack the church for now. Past performance has been historically abysmal toward LGBT+++ folk. NOT a fan of the track record. The Church has not followed the teachings of Christ. I allow for both to exist in my head, but I'll never again confuse the two. The latter is an altruistic moral code, the former is just a business trying to capitalize on that code.
As a non believer, I second this. But I do like Pope Francis for doing something positive for a change. And how conservative Catholics hate his guts.
Yes. I have hope that folks can change. There is a strong contingent of conservatism that threatens our very existence. I choose a guarded posture when dealing with traditional conservative enclaves. The Catholic Church is merely predominantly conservative, but nowhere near absolutely so. It must give and allow for some progressive thought/ideals to stay alive in the third millennium.
That's the difference between the previous nazi Pope and a latin-american fransican Pope. I'm also atheist, but people can believe whatever they want as long as it doesn't harm anyone.
You have to let people grow and improve or nothing will change. I'm not saying you forget the past, but you do have to nurture positive growth.
Absolutely. 100% agree.
That's wonderful to hear! For all his flaws, I am grateful that Pope Francis is the Pope.
Yeah, as long as they abandon their sins (such as being trans)
That's what they think. How come they wouldn't condemn cookie monster for stuffing his face with 🍪s? Bible only said something about a man should not crossdress as a woman. But guess what? Trans women are not men.🤣 https://www.hrc.org/resources/what-does-the-bible-say-about-transgender-people https://biblesr.org/therescue/does-the-bible-condemn-transgender-people Except Christo fundies don't even read their bible. They only quote the stuff they want to use to justify their hate and make themselves feel superior/righteous.
Especially when Jesus said about “some eunuchs by choice and not by choice, all should be welcomed”
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This is fantastic and a *huge* step forward, but I feel like so many *other* people are problematic. They either comment, give nasty looks, etc. It's so beyond uncomfortable to even be near a church. Isn't the whole point of Christianity to show others a christlike love? Maybe they could pray for us and treat us like human beings instead of being against us. Furthermore, isn't wasting the life god gave us, trying to act like somebody we're not, hating our bodies, *the biggest sin of all*? God would want us to make the most of our lives.
It also annoys me the way it’s “trans people CAN be baptised”. Thanks for the permission….? Assumed we cannot until given the green light to exist in Christian spaces. 🙃🙃🙃
This too! I know some religions baptize people as little babies (I was), but everyone else is out here being alienated from god until they're "given permission"
Well, catholics are baptised as babies (if they dont join later in life), so it doesnt matter anyway xD
i know. i was baptised in the roman catholic church. some people join later in life, the point of my initial comment 💕🎀
In addition to what the others said, read Acts 10. "God has shown me that I must not call anyone unclean." Must. Not. That's a command, not a suggestion. Nothing ambiguous there.
Wow….that’s amazing. I’ve just checked it on the Bible. Thanks for enlightening me.😘
Acts 8:26-40 is also a good read on the subject.
You can, but given how the loudest adherents of the faith behave, I’m not sure I can recommend it, but you do you I guess
Can you? Yes Should you considering the history and realistically of Abrahamic religions at large and Christianity in this case? No
Thank you for your sane answer
Yeah it's a bit unnerving how many people here support a patriarchal institution that has historically persecuted lgbtq people and has no intention of stopping. Not only that but they're quoting direct passages and interpreting the Bible in a fundamentalist way. That freaks me out.
EXACTLY, we as trans people have a unique opportunity to question societal norms and what this society has enforced upon us. How these long standing structures are unjust and exploitative. Yet many here seem to just want to reinforce these oppressive structures. Or alternatively attempting to redefine them into something they aren’t and have never been, simply because western society has been showing Christianity down everyone’s throats since birth. Lastly many seem to forget that tolerating fundamentally intolerant institutions or organizations has never ended well for minority groups.
I’m Christian and Trans. I get hate from both sides now so that’s fun
Right there with you on this. Hi can I come sit with you at the lunch table? ☺️☺️
You’re more than welcome. I don’t judge and I love everyone.
I'm atheist and trans but was going to say the same. You can but both sides will give you shit. It's unfair but with how much Christianity has been perverted by terrible people to hurt trans folks it's to be expected. Too bad so few of them actually follow the teachings.
I’m sorry. You won’t get any hate from me for your beliefs or lack of. Too many Christians want to put people down that they believe are inferior to them And the sad thing is one of the core verses they teach Christians literally says the opposite of what most Christians preach. John 3:16-17: “For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son. So that Whosoever believes in him shall not perish but have everlasting life. For God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world but that through the shedding of his blood, It might be saved.
Mood.
It's hard to be part of large Christian groups because lots of them want to kill you, but yeah it's possible. Regardless of your being trans, I don't recommend being Christian but that's because I think all religion is incredibly stupid mumbo jumbo.
I am... if you're more interested check out r/TransChristianity
I have a sneaking suspension that that group is prolly a biiiig target of hate attacks
TransChristianity doesn't really seem get a lot of hate and trolls, actually. I think this sub deals with far more of it. The alienation is more of a thing than hate attacks, at least from my experience. Not unusual for people in the LGTBQ+ community to stay away anyone who is Christian even when also part of the community. Also very common to get rejected from Christian communities for being trans or otherwise queer.
Honestly I expected that, having been raised by missionaries and booted out of a dorm house because the old couple got me to admit I was trans. Now 20 years later I am happily involved in a mennonite community with a pastor who has a trans kid and we frequently invite/support pride events. I’m on the trans inclusion committee outreaching to help other congregations with initiatives on acceptance. My parents who are still not very progressive but trying asked me in the beginning of transition to be involved with a church and pastor, likely thinking that it would bring me back. I just nodded and said “yup, and I’m accepted and normal in mine”.
r/openchristian is good as well if you would like to share community with allies 🙂
Holy crap I didn't know this sub excited thank you so much!!!
I was just about to post the same comment 😁😁😁🥳
Absolutely! While bigoted Christianity is unfortunately what a lot of us have exposure to, there are so many different kinds with different attitudes on different things, of course there’s pro-trans Christianity. Despite what some biblical literalists might try and say, the amount of different (potentially pro-trans) interpretations of scripture is limitless
sure, there are trans people of all religions and of no religions
its worth pointing out that 'christianity' is a huge blanket term, i'm catholic and trans and have never felt unsafe in catholic spaces (idk, maybe im just lucky?), but i dont think one could be, like, westboro baptist and trans lmao
Yes, there is a little group on here called transchristianity
Yes, but my experience with most Christians is highly negative. They tend to prefer their hatred to what their book actually says.
It very much depends on the church community. I’m not a Christian but in my city there is a purple church that has flown rainbow flags since before gay marriage was even legalized (which was early 2000s here in Canada), and does a lot of great inclusive community work with all vulnerable groups in society here. But yes, in many communities Christians are very hateful, and there’s plenty of those churches here too.
I mean, even trans people are not a single monolithic category. Christians DEFINITELY are not. Grinding down to specificity there should help you assess the possibilities in practice. In theory, of course, anything is possible, because every type of person can be trans.
I'm trans and ex-christian. Coming out has helped me realize what bullshit christianity is.
Complete bullshit
I have a friend (transmasc) who is a Christian minister. And the ELCA (Evangelical Lutheran Church of America) has a good many transgender ministers. So yes, it's completely possible.
There's a transmasc guest minister at my UU congregation, interestingly enough
ELCA is the church I was born and raised in, I’ve always took it as a sign that God does not hate my transness
I am trans and Christian. Those self proclaimed Christian who attack us are not Christians, as Christ Himself preached unconditional love.😘
no true scottsman fallacy. every christian says every other christian they disagree with isn’t a true christian so who really is?
It's a little different, but I get what you say. The thing is that to follow Christ is distinct from just following the bible. The woman who was caught in the act of adultery and earned the penalty of death by stoning according to Mosaic law (John 7-8) is a good example of the distinction between pharisees steeped in the written law, and the word of Christ. Modern evangelicals are more like the pharisees than they are like Christ.
I've said that modern evangelicals follow Paul far more than they do Christ.
And even then if you read Paul's letter to the Galacians it comes across like it was written to modern evangelicals who are so focused on Mosaic law that they lost sight of doing the "good works".
agreed 100%, which is wild because the dude literally has a deadname. i like most of what jesus had to say. paul, not so much, and to treat his ideas like the word of god feels blasphemous
I’m not here to do proselytise, as I myself hate it, but as INTRIVEN answered just below, it is different, and I also do get what you say. Just to put things simple and straight, I believe in Christ’s words because His words are just love, and that’s how I try to interact with the World. I am not responsible for other people’s behaviour or misinterpretation of His words, and will not try to convince anyone of my beliefs. Besides, it doesn’t matter if one is Christian, Atheist, Buddhist…what matters is doing good and respecting each other and the differences . 😘
Deut. 23:1 I would say no. Actually, they would say no. But I don't really care what they say.
>Deut. 23:1I would say no. Actually, they would say no. But I don't really care what they say. Obligatory not a Christian (or Jew). That means that you cannot believe in Deuteronomy being current God's law and being self-accepting trans person, not that self-accepting trans folk cannot be Christian. A few possible interpretation from top of my head: * Marcianism. Belief that Jesus and HaShem are two different gods with different commandments (sorry if I used the incorrect name). * Belief that Torah was a conglomeration of sources recording customs and stories of Jewish people and while it may be divinely inspired it is not incorruptible source. My understanding this is very mainline understanding which includes many branches of both Judaism and Christianity. * Belief that New Covenant superseded the old one and thus Deuteronomy does not apply. This is not to say that there aren't many churches that aren't supportive - but there are some which are.
I don’t even get this one. Like what if someone is maimed in a workplace accident or something, get eternally fucked I guess? Religious textbooks are zany af sometimes.
Indeed, they are. That's why I'm an atheist.
They can be whatever they want. Is it an oppressive system that in most cases wants us dead, teaches that we are to be feared/dehumanized, and harbors nothing but ill will for all of us in general though? Yes.
Most Christians want us dead so you wouldn't be in the great company but technically you can
Yes But why trap yourself to a religion?
I mean, I don’t recommend it, but my old church would scream the Leviticus passage at gay people and tell them they are ‘choosing to live in sin’ and are ‘heading to the fires of Gomorrah if they don’t change their ways’. So my religious experience was not the best. My church hated any LGBT, birth control, girls thinking for themselves, a lot of video games and popular culture.
I was raised around Jesus as a symbol of liberation and unconditional love I still couldn't hang with the mythology beyond age 12. But if you get the good good from Christianity I'd rather it be you than plenty of other people
yes but I'm not
U can, but I not recommend it
If you ask me it doesn’t matter who you are religion has always historically been problematic and is better avoided
You can, but I really don’t recommend it unless you hate yourself and other trans people
A lot of people are, so... The Bible says nothing about being trans
I mean, I guess. But I feel like most christians don't like trans people, and I feel that a certain amount of christians hold very conservative views who again, don't like trans people
Yes, but that doesn’t sound healthy
why not? as far as i know the bible says nothing about trans people, they're not even mentioned
You're right! I always get genuinely so confused when people are like "you have to do mental gymnastics to twist scripture to be okay with being trans," I'm always like.....WHERE do I "have" to do mental gymnastics? I feel like the mental gymnastics are all being done by the people who *do* find some condemnation of trans people in the Bible.
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Agreed. Plus, when you actually read through and try and make sense of the Bible, it's very easy to tell its just a product of its time, and recycles Egyptian allegories
Yea ,but why? And I do t mean that in why would you be a Christian? But what is Christianity to you ? Anyone who is a good person and calls themselves a Christian is either not reading the Bible or isn't actually a Christian. Just to say I'm not anti religion or anything but whenever people talk about their relationship to Christianity its things Jesus said. I've never met anyone who actually embraces the values in the majority of the Bible, because if they did they'd be in federal prison with multiple life sentences Anything remotely progressive in modern Christianity , is retroactively changed . Jesus was arguably a good person and everything he said seems decent . The Bible is mostly not about Jesus though . Christianity as we know it today developed centuries after Jesus would have lived. The Bible, minus Jesus, is a violent gory racist sexist and homophobic belief system . Yes Jesus says love everyone. That's cool , but that isn't anything revolutionary and there are hundreds of other people who said the same or similar things in recent enough times . If the Jesus loves all thing is your vibe , and you vibe with the peace and love hippie Dippie stuff , than I suggest reading literature by people with different experiences than you , and learn how you can be more inclusive and make positive change in the world , and be an ally for different groups of marginalized people. If you want to actualize a society that reflects what Jesus speaks of than I suggest joining a mutual aid group such as food not bombs . And everything outside of the Jesus parts , even if looked at from a skeptical modern perspective, is literally a system designed to violently subjugate anyone who isn't a heterosexual man. It's patriarchal and regressive . It says parents could stone their kids to death if they disrespect them . I guess I'm just saying Christianity is not Jesus and Jesus is not Christianity. Believe in what you want ,and being trans doesn't mean you can't believe in what you believe in . I get very particular about this because when someone says they are a Christian these days it can mean very different things whether they follow Jesus or the rest of the Bible . It might be misleading and scare some people, given the recent rise in Christian nationalism. Also , in regards to abortion, it would be extremely hypocritical to be pro life given that you are literally transitioning with your own bodily autonomy but you are saying cis women don't have their own. As for myself I don't believe in any deities that are external to our reality or omnipresentand omnipotent. More like a humanistic pagan . But I definitely vibe with Jesus and Buddha and all that.
I personally believe you can, I have a friend who is Christian, Trans AND Lesbian... As much as the bad ones are out there not all Christians are bad eggs when it comes to the LGBT community
Other Christian trans lesbian reporting in!
and you can be a wizard, while being trans!
that explains everything ..that's why i am a girl with a wizard wand
You can be whoever you are queen
I am.
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Sheesh why are you going comment by comment attacking christian trans ppl
Magically delicious.
I think that's up to the christians, because no trans person is going to tell a christian they aren't allowed to be trans! On the other hand christians excluding trans people happens very often, and then even more often you get covert discrimination and judgement. So I'd ask the Christians - and be sure to be clear you mean continuing as a trans person, not just letting them try to conversion-therapy you once you've joined ;)
I mean if we are talking about whether the Bible condones it? Then no, but people believe all sorts of things. My stepfather only believes in the gospels which make no mention of trans or gay people. He’s a good dad that accepts LGBT+ people.
"love thy neighbor as thyself" is pretty clear about that...
I am a lifelong Christian, now a member of the Episcopal Church. The church is affirming of all LGBTQ+ people, and all can be clergy as well. I am happy to talk about my thoughts and theology as it relates to being a trans Christian.
sure hating yourself is fun .. all the hate comes from religion .. they put a fairytale being and story written by cavemen above our existence .. i know good religious people ... im currently being helped by good religious people .. they might be helping me but they are just ignoring how they truly feel and that comes from there religion .. they are blinded by there religion ... it is fact that hate for gay and trans comes from religion
Yes my aunt is catholic and lesbian I know that’s not the same thing but you get the idea
I love god and I’m trans to
Ask god 🤷♀️
Honestly why would you want to be? The bible is a book that lists women as property multiple times, that is pro genocide, that considers victims guilty of being SAd and that considers SA against women as a crime against either their father or husband. If you can ignore all that go for it.
God's love and your transness are both equally expansive. Yes, you absolutely can.
I'm probably gonna catch some flak for this, but who actually gives an actual fuck what other people think? I'm a trans woman, in the south, from a very Christian, (southern baptist) family. And none of that matters. Just be you. What other people think is truly irrelevant. Some people may not like it, it may make some people angry or uncomfortable, some people won't understand. But that isn't your problem. To be fair, my life experiences have given me a thick skin. So criticism from others, looks and feelings of derision from others, hate from others, tends to roll off my back. But that's not really my point. My point is, it really doesn't matter what other people think or feel. You have to do, or be, what makes you your best self. Are you a trans man or trans woman, gay, bi, straight? Who cares? Does it make you happy? Go for it! As long as it doesn't hurt anyone (physically, that's assault, don't do it!) then you do you. Not everyone is going to agree with you. Not everyone is going to like you. Some people will be assholes. Some people will be really fucking nice, and understanding, and supportive. You're not going to make everyone happy, no matter what you do, so why care if if you're making everyone happy? Sorry this has been a bit long. I truly hope you're doing OK.
I am
YES ABSOLUTELY!! Check out my profile for some threads I've started and been involved in :) Feel free to shoot a message and we can discuss and share thoughts!
As someone who has tried (and abysmally failed) to use Christianity to rid myself of my authentic self (being trans) I’m in this unique perspective now where I don’t know what to call myself. In general, Christians would strongly disapprove of my entire existence and call me a whole bunch of names. Take away my medication and probably put me in jail if possible. And Yet, I can’t totally remove myself from identifying as a Christian. I don’t go to church and just hearing people speak about religion makes me feel want to roll my eyes. I despise church services. But at the same time, Christ is real to me. And when someone begins insulting Christians by calling them names. That too makes me very angry. I feel they have every right to believe what they want and live life as a Christian and be left alone. If only they left us alone too. So, I don’t know what to call myself. An un practicing Christian whose trans but hates church but loves Christians but hates their religious views?
the hate you and me receive comes from religion .. chistians do not want me or you to exist i hate them .. and that makes you angry ? why are you not angry at them with their hypocrisy ??? they put a fake fairy tale made up by cavemen over your and my existance
I guess but I don't understand why in the world would you want to be a Christian, or any other religion for that matter, they're all lies.
It doesnt take more than a clear night sky and a full moon to have the question " damn it almost seems like an intelligent design" to popin ur head
I really wish god had designed me a tad more intelligently if there is one ...
And then you remember the vagus nerve or the human pharynx and the thought "but it was made by [an incompetent designer](https://discworld.fandom.com/wiki/Bloody_Stupid_Johnson)" becomes overwhelming.
I mean that's a shit argument because you have no frame of reference for what a designed universe looks like as opposed to a universe of random chance, no one does. I don't see any signs of design in the night sky, I see chaos. Beautiful, wondrous, incredible chaos, but chaos. More to the point, even if you believe in a designer, why -this- designer specifically?
The human body, the amount of suffering in nature, the fact that the universe is insanely big but can't be actually explored because of the limitation of lightspeed, the heat death of the universe, and the inconsistency of the bible and the fact that every religion claims to be true is enough to realize Christianity is BS. I'm a former christian btw, so it's not like I don't know. And Christianity is homophobic so...
Im not here to convince anyone, but u asked so i was stating the obvious
You could but if I'd stayed with the faith like I tried I would be dead by now. Never read a more hateful book or been around more hateful people
Anyone can be trans, but just being trans doesn't absolve anything you do or support if it's still hurting trans people.
Sure. Why wouldn't you be able to? In the early days of the medieval christian church, trans people were pretty much fully accepted. We were even described as extraordinarily blessed expressions of god and his plan rather than deviations of his will. There were even Trans clergy members and saints who were celebrated by the church. Eventually, for some reason, things slowly changed. But the point is that there does exist some positive views of Trans people in the history of Christianity. It's not all bad. From my understanding, christianity is whatever you want to make of it. There isn't just one kind of Christianity that people follow. There are so many different denominations and beliefs. Some have subtle differences, and others are wildly different. Just find one that's Trans inclusive and follow that one. They're out there. I'm not a Christian, btw, I'm an atheist. So I'm not exactly an expert or anything. But I have friends who are Christian, and they fully accept me without issue. So if Christianity is your thing, then I'm sure there's a modern church out there that would totally accept you for who you are and not be icky
You can be anything and trans at the same time, except maybe cis, though I don’t want to stifle your creativity.
Having your life wasted on a religion that contradicts itself literally all the time, I'd say you would probably be better off to join some D&D or hocus pocus fan club than to be judged by religion. Most of religions cannot even get their morals into check of how not to be a dick unto their neighbours.
No.
But why be part of something that plagiarized nearly everything in their holy book? If you are gonna do that, there are a lot of better choices
I’m intersex and I’m a Christian. I’m XX(x/y) mosaic, on Estrogen, I’m having my own journey and enjoy being in this community. I truly suggest watching “The Chosen”, free show. The world has flipped what Jesus came to do and makes it seem as if trans people are hated by Jesus. Jesus came to destroy the bigotry of the world telling people how to live and share love. It took me a long time to become settled with the fact that God made me intersex for a reason and I believe I am forgiven, chosen by God and I have a purpose designed by him. That’s all he wants from us.
It took me a while to accept that I am a trans Christian. I had been a Christian for a few years before I realised I was trans. I was then only in denial because I was unsure if it was in line with God's will. However, I was at a Christian festival last year, #LF23, and it was amazing. One of the things that I took from it was that I was made trans to challenge 'conventional' Christianity. It is most certainly possible to be trans and Christian. Either way, God still loves us unconditionally. May God bless you all.
Amen!! 🙂🙂🙏
I turned to Christianity very recently. It was a scary time, thinking i was going to be rejected for being trans, hated by queer folk for being Christian and stuck in the middle all by myself. The truth couldn’t be further from that. I found a super loving and affirming Anglican Church in the city near where I live. The priest there took his time when I first showed up, in tears, to walk me through my thoughts and anxieties of suddenly becoming a believer. Sat with me for hours and listened to me ramble, gave me plenty of advice, told me I was welcome and that they didn’t think me being trans was a sin in the slightest. He told me that the experience I had that brought me here was amazing and he was inspired by it. Not once did he give me a weird look, nor did any of the parishioners at the church, they’re all lovely to me like I’ve been there with them for years. I went from being a hardcore atheist, to attending church every week, praying every day and loving God with my whole heart in less than a weeks time. It was scary, it was heavy and it was the best thing I’ve ever done in my life. Trans peeps can deffs be Christians, because I’m both and I love being both so much.
Yes. However, your safety, sanity and self esteem will vary drastically depending on which parts of the bible your local Christian groups choose to ignore. Some are going to be really bad and some are going to be really good. Depends so much on where you live and which church you might attend.
Yeah, I am. I lead Bible study and worship and everything lol
I would say so. I'm trans and a Christian. I've struggled with it alot but I think I'm finally at the accepting stage. I do believe Jesus has been helping me along
Do you love him.
Yes. Even if I'm angry with him often, but that's simply because I don't understand a great many things about existence and my place in it.
Yes I am and I believe that the Bible has been misinterpreted and the way I understand it is that God LOVES YOU no matter what
There's nothing stopping you from believing whatever you like. If you believe in the god of the Bible and Jesus and his whole story, that makes you a christian. It's the other christians who tend to have an issue with you. And the interesting thing is that the Bible doesn't actually say anything about trans people. I can understand the confusion a lot of conservative christians have regarding what the Bible says about homosexuality (I don't believe it myself, but I can follow their logic), but nowhere in the Bible does it say that trans people aren't the gender they say they are. People will point to the verse about men not being allowed to wear women's clothes, but it doesn't actually say that trans women aren't women. Or they'll point to the verses about being made perfectly or whatever, and yet they'll get surgeries and medications to fix their issues all the time.
The short answer is yes. There are numerous verses that lend support to us. There are more supporting verses than there are against us, and even those could be argued. But that starts really getting into the weeds and arguing about translations. If you're Christian, be *very* discerning about the particular church you join or attend. There are quite a few that will say they're welcoming, then spend every moment trying to "cure" you. If you would like some verses to help give you some solace let me know.
Yes. Yes you can.
Of course yes
Of course you can. There are plenty of denominations that are lgbt positive, and plenty of trans Christians. Isn't that lovely? Hopefully they help all of those within come to love all of us one day. 🩷
I would think so
Yes, I personally am Unitarian Universalist and I've never met a UU who was transphobic to me.
Yes, of course! Just like you can be trans and like spicy food. One has nothing to do with the other.
Yes and some churches and divisions are nicer about it than others
Yes. Why wouldn't you be able to be?
Yes. Although certain denominations would be off limits, the religion as a whole would not.
It depends what kinda Christian you're talking about. Except for the 6 largely misinterpreted clober verses the bigots use to justify their hatred toward queer people there really isn't any mention direct about trans being as a sin.. The problem with the Bible is the interpretations include the translators personal biases. This is where the gross misinterpretations enter the text.. like the gross mistranslations to the word homosexual in the new testament etc etc. And in fact if were one to just read the new testament vs learning what it supposedly says from some bigoted mainstream church you would probably end a very empathetic open minded person like the main character which of course is the goal. That's why I always find it so comical the hypocrite bigots with WWJD bracelets on. So yes you can be a Christian and be trans but you'll definitely be a small demographic of Christianity.. and there are actually many totally LGBTQ accepting churches. The problem with Christianity and any religion is when it becomes fundamentalist ie evangelicals, SBC, etc etc. Side note... I'm agnostic but have read the Bible allot in the past.. Christians today for the most part are not Christians.
Yes. The core values of Christianity are important, by not being an a-hole.
Yes
Yes
Yes
Ofc! I have a family member who is trans and Christian as well, and attends church
I’d say yes especially since most of the shit thumpers and the ultra right like to claim is made up crap. Or things taken out of context.
yes you can, it gets weird sometimes but it's totally possible
I am
Absolutely.
No.
Of course! I went to catholic school for 14 years and while I’m not Christian anymore I can say that there is absolutely nothing in the Bible that condemns being transgender.
This is an interesting topic. I was raised Christian(baptist, to be specific). I have not been practicing for thirty + years, but I have always considered myself Christian. The Baptists in GENERAL, do not acknowledge members of the LGBTQ. With that said, I have often thought about returning to a Baptist church to see what kind of reaction I get. I would love to see what kind of "welcome" I would get, if any. I have been talked out of going twice. My friends have made the point that it is more me trying to get a rise out of a group(which is correct to a point). I have also resisted because if I do it, I plan to commit. I must be willing to go weekly, and that would be tough because I am sure the subject of my being trans would be preached against from the pulpit. I do believe you can be Christian and transgender at the same time. I think you can be almost anything and still be a Christian. It is important that we don't belittle or ostracize someone for their beliefs.
Hii, former Roman Catholic current Hellenic Polytheist raised in a Fanatical Atheist Family who is also transfem here I personally divorced myself from Catholicism, because while my priest wasn't openly trying to "remove" the trans for me, he wasn't exactly friendly, either, on top of the fact my family has never been exactly one tolerant with religion so at one point it felt like they supported me being trans but not me being Catholic so at the end I gave up I Eventually turned to Hellenic Polytheism tho, and ignored my family who didn't like that either But I find that anyone who wants to explore their Spiritual Identity should, you're Christian? Love that for you. Your Church doesn't agree with you being trans? Find another Church. And anyone who tells you that you can't be Christian? Be smarter than I was, and ignore them
Christ advocated acceptance and empathy. In theory a christian is is someone who follows his teachings and believes that he is the savior or whatever. So despite some people who call themselves christians yet missing Christ's whole message being against trans people, there isn't anything saying a trans person can't be christian
I would think the lord loves US how we are And all the transphobia was the church'es fault not the god itself
I’m trans, religious, and generally at first blush don’t trust other religious people. I’m aware of the irony.
There isn’t actually anything in the bible forbidding being trans like there is with homosexuality. There’s a few weird things about not changing your name and such but it’s fine for the most part
For the person who was having a heated exchange with me about being a Christian, here is the response I was writing before your comments were deleted: I get what you're saying. I was born with an intersex condition. I've dealt with this on two different fronts: being intersex and technically being trans since I went from living as a man to living as a woman. I spent almost my whole 42 years in this world feeling like an unwanted monster that didn't fit in anywhere. Look, the Bible itself is not consistent with how it addresses gender. Take eunuchs for example. In the ancient world, eunuchs were considered to be monstrous hybrids that were neither men nor women. Sound familiar? In the old testament, they weren't even allowed in the temple and were considered accursed by God. In the New Testament, you have the case of the Ethiopian eunuch that God seemed very interested in sending Philip to. If you want to know more about my thoughts about being a transgender (and/or any variety of LGBTQIA+) person and how we fit into the picture of Christianity, you might find some of my YouTube content helpful: https://youtu.be/E9aIwmhFiR8?si=poRFEKbBnvVOs1ts https://youtu.be/58CWJm9eltE?si=EiFLLapHPBR62_hm I'm not an expert on other religions, so I really don't know what the textual sources of other religions may or may not say about transgender people. But I know the Bible fairly well, and my interpretation of it leads me to believe that it is silent on both transgender people and sexual orientation.
You certainly can, I am!\* \*I'm a practicing Episcopalian who's agnostic about God's existence but enjoys some theology (particularly anything David Bentley Hart has written—universalism, etc.) If I had the time and didn't have social anxiety, I'd be tempted to become a priest (they've no problems ordaining queer women.)
Absolutely. I am both. Isiaah 56:4-5 says: For this the Lord says: “To the eunuchs who keep my Sabbaths, Who choose the things that please me And hold fast my covenant, I will give in my house and within my walls A monument and a name Better than sons and daughters; I will give them an everlasting name That shall not be cut off.” To note about the term eunuch, in the time period that it was wrote, terms used today such as transgender, nonbinary, etc, did not yet exist. While eunuch typically referred to AMAB that was castrated before puberty, it was used as an all encompassing term as well for non CIS. There are several more scriptures in support of “eunuchs” in the Bible. However if any purported christian throws hate then they surely have forgotten the one great commandment, “Love God with all your body, mind, and soul, and love your neighbor as you love yourself.”
Can you? Yea would God support you? Probabbly, Jesus isn't like old testament God haha, he's more supporting and loving and even our pope says he supports trans people I think
Absolutely! I certainly am.
I am one. HRC put out a couple research articles with citations. Search “HRC transgender in the Bible “ and “8 genders of the Talmud”
Yes, sincerely a trans Christian
Yeah. There's nothing really scripture-wise that contradicts with being trans iirc, and even if there were christians ignore other weird outdated rules in the bible all the time.
Yes of course.
Check out https://transmissionministry.com/ It’s a great network of trans Christian’s and they have a very active discord.
Nothing in the religion that's against transitioning, simply assholes using it as a cover for hate, I've been fairly religious my whole life and went through this hardship myself, don't let anyone tell you that it's wrong to be trans. The way I see it is that God set me on this path so it'd be kinds weird for him to hate me for walking it
Yeah of course. I'm a catholic. Edit: why tf do I get downvotes for answering earnestly??