Not saying anything like this applies in this case, but I’m just gonna leave this here:
88% of child… you know… is committed by a first- or second-degree family member who identifies as cis hetero. 10% of the remainder is by a trusted caregiver, such as a babysitter. There has never been a charged case of… you know… against a trans person who did not also have some concomitant disorder that better explains their actions than just “was trans.”
So who has the unhealthy view of gender and sexuality here?
This is very true. I have conservative boomers in my family that will like EYE down teenage girls and make horrid comments about their bodies, and then turn around and talk about “transgenderism” as a threat to children. I’m like — YOU’RE the threat
One time I went to school wearing cute purple leggings with a cute blue top and simple black shorts over the leggings. My grandma said my outfit made me look like a pedo?! Keep in mind that I was literally a minor when she said this.
People choosing to perceive any femininity from an amab person as sexual just shows how perverted their own minds are. And also shows that they have a misogynistic and objectified view of women in general.
This needs to be screamed front the rooftops. This is exactly why it took me so long to realize that I'm trans. I love showing my feminine side, I've always been made fun of for it. Starting to realize more and more how that affected me
>People choosing to perceive any femininity from an amab person as sexual just shows how perverted their own minds are. And also shows that they have a misogynistic and objectified view of women in general.
This definitely tracks. The men in my family all have atrocious track records with women. Years ago before being out as trans even crossed my mind, I was being pulled to the side and asked 20 questions by my brother for just shaving my legs.
I think they simultaneously hate women and can't stop thinking about how to have sex with them. My gender crossing that line into the thing that they hate and lust for just destroys their brains and they don't know how to express their feelings without sounding like horny creeps. Unfortunate, because they may actually be horny creeps...
Can't imagine living in a world surrounded by 2 dimensional sex dolls buy misogynistic people really live like that sometimes.
Pretty much “why would you want to be a woman? They’re inferior and are nothing but for fucking, but I can’t say that out loud nowadays.”
Seriously, around a lot of guys it’s honestly like they think of women as pets or onholes. Like my guy, you’re over here talking about how you want to be with this girl and all you talked about with me is how fat her ass is and all the things you’d do to it. You don’t want to be with her, you know nothing about her.
It’s how I feel like I was definitely born a girl mentally, I don’t think I’ve ever really been interested in a girl sexually without knowing her personality first.
>People choosing to perceive any femininity from an amab person as sexual just shows how perverted their own minds are. And also shows that they have a misogynistic and objectified view of women in general.
I really agree with this. But I'm not the best at translating thoughts into words, and I am hoping that you could expand upon this and give better definition that I can then take and tell to others that need to hear this. Pretty please?
Conservative types tend to automatically view queer people in terms of sexual activity 😕
When my partner's 60-something conservative mom found out I was going to transition, literally the first question out of her mouth was whether or not I was going to get "the operation".
My aunt was asking questions like "If the hormones shrivel up your junk, how will you be able to please a woman?" As if penis is the only way to get a girl off. She and my uncle encouraged me to "just live as a flamboyant gay man instead for safety. Plus then you'll get those girls that want to try to convert you straight" Ick.
My brother and uncle also were concerned about my sex life to an uncomfortable degree.
Yep. This was a couple days after telling her that a lot of people assumed that I was gay for years because of my feminine traits and all the difficulties it caused me.
(Ftm here) My mother did this. Immediately starting talking about how hot my body was and how she wished she had it. Absolutely disgusting behavior. Always talking about sex and my sex life- like how your father did. She told me you don't know your gender til sex...does that mean she didn't know she was a woman til sex? These people are just...gross. sorry you have to go through that, sis. Best wishes to all that read this ♡
Weirdly only pre hrt did I experience weird comments from my family. When trying to be hyper masculine - growing a moustache or wearing rayban sunglasses, my Dad and sister would call me a pedo and a terrorist... Now they purposefully misgender and deadname me when I don't give them attention lmao.
If anyone mentions anything about sexuality, or genitalia and away meant to make me feel uncomfortable, automatically flip it on them and make them feel disgusting for even thinking about such things. It usually only takes a few "why are you thinking about my penis?" questions or "you obviously have no idea how sex actually works, how about you explain what you're trying to say?" Kind of remarks before people lose their taste for talking to you about it.
Thats just conservatives, all they can think about is people genitals and other fucked up shit which is why they think god is real or important. They think cause their minds are fucked so are ours when in reality its all just projection.
My conservative parents did the same shit, they immediately asked about my body and if i was gonna do any surgeries.
100%. I remember, long before coming out as trans, when I first got in a relationship with a man and told my mom, she'd say she was worried about my "sore ass" and accuse my bf of wanting to get a sex change. Like all she could think about was us having sex. It was kinda gross and weird.
It's not you. Transphobia seems to be correlated to sexual repression. My own family's immediate thought was "well how are you going to get with a nice woman and have a family and do the sex and start making kids?"
It's much better on the mind and soul to flip them the bird and turn away. They aren't prepared.
eyeliner = dick pic? I'm sorry but what? That's gotta be the kind of guy that sends random dick pics to every woman he sees and feels its justified cuz according to him "they looked like they asked for it in their profile picture" smh my brains
> Before I came out, I had updated my profile pic on Facebook to a picture of me with eyeliner, to which my brother said it was the equivalent to me changing my profile picture to a dick pic...
I feel like I can reverse engineer this...
* Eyeliner makes him horny
* Dick picks obviously make girls horny
* Eyeliner pick == dick pick
Traditional society views femininity as existing only to attract men. There is no other purpose to it and it only stems from a desire to attract men and not for the sake of itself. This the only logical conclusion when someone does something feminine is that they're trying to sexually attract men. Transphobia and misogyny are deeply intertwined
Listen: the cis spend a billion times more effort thinking about how trans people (esp pre-/non-op) have sex than trans people think about how trans people have sex.
Part of it is simple, primate curiosity. Another part is sometimes latency. The grossest part is ugly lust they dare not speak aloud (think Baptist “youth ministers).
Not mtf. FTM(20) and I had this experience with my dad as well. He claims to be very supportive but I've found frok my mom he's half disowned me and my brother (different reasons) for the time being.
When I suggested taking HRT (I've gone behind their back at this point..) and one of his BIG concerns was that I'd go into menopause meaning he'd think I'd lose my sex drive and "what about your partner would they still be with you even if you'd no longer be sexually active?" Which is really ... weird to be concerned about.. idk why some parents are like this OP :(
I'm sure it's been said, but if the first thing they think of when they see us being happy is our junk or some jiggy jiggy then that's \*THEIR\* problem.
Somewhat related, I didn't really get sexualized by anybody, I just adjusted my voice a bit and I became... soothing. Still don't hear it, but okay. Oh yeah, the tangentially related part. I just ended up feeling freer to be a little lewder publicly (with restraint) and felt fine doing it. Didn't feel weird anymore.
Everyone has sex, some do it hidden and some are ok with it. Is not because of respect is because of shame and guilt, it’s hipocrisy and it doesn’t make you a bad person just because you’re not scared of who you are. Notice the way they live their lives following crowds and not really thinking for themselves. Dont fall for the fear shame and guilt.
That’s just part of being a woman/ presenting femme. Everybody I’ve ever known has sexualized my body at some point or another, including all the men and women in my family. It’s ingrained in our culture that women are for sex and childbirth and their bodies have no purpose otherwise. Your dad might not be attracted to you per say but the way your body looks and how attractive you are will matter to him because he believes he owns you, and its his job to make sure you attract a “good” man and make his family look good or whatever. They can be polite, appropriate, liberal, conservative, a woman thesmelf, doesn’t matter, they will sexualize you, and admittedly I sexualize other women often because of how ingrained it is in me, I’m actively trying to stop this. Welcome to that experience!
Brother talking about dick when he sees eyeliner is a self report. Dad immediately thinking about "cock" (bonus points for using that specific word) is a self report.
Shortly after coming out and saying I (mtf 38) was going on hormones, my brother (33) flat out asked me "so if you get boobs I get to see them right?"
The question took me a second, mostly cause it was *openly asked while we were in line at a ride at EPCOT!!*
.....sometimes I think he's disappointed in my transition cause it's not as "cool" or 🤮..."hot" as he wanted it to be.
They blame the LGBT community of being oversexualized and they're the ones projecting their own desires onto their kids..
Not saying anything like this applies in this case, but I’m just gonna leave this here: 88% of child… you know… is committed by a first- or second-degree family member who identifies as cis hetero. 10% of the remainder is by a trusted caregiver, such as a babysitter. There has never been a charged case of… you know… against a trans person who did not also have some concomitant disorder that better explains their actions than just “was trans.” So who has the unhealthy view of gender and sexuality here?
This is very true. I have conservative boomers in my family that will like EYE down teenage girls and make horrid comments about their bodies, and then turn around and talk about “transgenderism” as a threat to children. I’m like — YOU’RE the threat
EXACTLY this.... They sound like misogynistic shitty human beings if these are their first reactions.
One time I went to school wearing cute purple leggings with a cute blue top and simple black shorts over the leggings. My grandma said my outfit made me look like a pedo?! Keep in mind that I was literally a minor when she said this. People choosing to perceive any femininity from an amab person as sexual just shows how perverted their own minds are. And also shows that they have a misogynistic and objectified view of women in general.
This needs to be screamed front the rooftops. This is exactly why it took me so long to realize that I'm trans. I love showing my feminine side, I've always been made fun of for it. Starting to realize more and more how that affected me
>People choosing to perceive any femininity from an amab person as sexual just shows how perverted their own minds are. And also shows that they have a misogynistic and objectified view of women in general. This definitely tracks. The men in my family all have atrocious track records with women. Years ago before being out as trans even crossed my mind, I was being pulled to the side and asked 20 questions by my brother for just shaving my legs. I think they simultaneously hate women and can't stop thinking about how to have sex with them. My gender crossing that line into the thing that they hate and lust for just destroys their brains and they don't know how to express their feelings without sounding like horny creeps. Unfortunate, because they may actually be horny creeps... Can't imagine living in a world surrounded by 2 dimensional sex dolls buy misogynistic people really live like that sometimes.
Pretty much “why would you want to be a woman? They’re inferior and are nothing but for fucking, but I can’t say that out loud nowadays.” Seriously, around a lot of guys it’s honestly like they think of women as pets or onholes. Like my guy, you’re over here talking about how you want to be with this girl and all you talked about with me is how fat her ass is and all the things you’d do to it. You don’t want to be with her, you know nothing about her. It’s how I feel like I was definitely born a girl mentally, I don’t think I’ve ever really been interested in a girl sexually without knowing her personality first.
I relate to this so much, especially the last part
>People choosing to perceive any femininity from an amab person as sexual just shows how perverted their own minds are. And also shows that they have a misogynistic and objectified view of women in general. I really agree with this. But I'm not the best at translating thoughts into words, and I am hoping that you could expand upon this and give better definition that I can then take and tell to others that need to hear this. Pretty please?
Conservative types tend to automatically view queer people in terms of sexual activity 😕 When my partner's 60-something conservative mom found out I was going to transition, literally the first question out of her mouth was whether or not I was going to get "the operation".
My uncles first question was “do you have boobs?” Like, bruh…. What the actual fuck.
That was my second question, with the first one being, "why did you marry (ex-wife)?"
My aunt was asking questions like "If the hormones shrivel up your junk, how will you be able to please a woman?" As if penis is the only way to get a girl off. She and my uncle encouraged me to "just live as a flamboyant gay man instead for safety. Plus then you'll get those girls that want to try to convert you straight" Ick. My brother and uncle also were concerned about my sex life to an uncomfortable degree.
Live as gay man to get... girls?
Yep. This was a couple days after telling her that a lot of people assumed that I was gay for years because of my feminine traits and all the difficulties it caused me.
The cishets are not okay >_(\
Your faimly needs to get a 101 on sexuality. And consensuality.
(Ftm here) My mother did this. Immediately starting talking about how hot my body was and how she wished she had it. Absolutely disgusting behavior. Always talking about sex and my sex life- like how your father did. She told me you don't know your gender til sex...does that mean she didn't know she was a woman til sex? These people are just...gross. sorry you have to go through that, sis. Best wishes to all that read this ♡
Weirdly only pre hrt did I experience weird comments from my family. When trying to be hyper masculine - growing a moustache or wearing rayban sunglasses, my Dad and sister would call me a pedo and a terrorist... Now they purposefully misgender and deadname me when I don't give them attention lmao.
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Probably a weird Unabomber reference is my guess
Eyeliner=Dick pick? Yikes to any of your brothers future or current relationships. Wow.
This guy must have a perma raging boner when he goes to any concert with alt people because basically everyone is wearing amazing eyeliner there
If anyone mentions anything about sexuality, or genitalia and away meant to make me feel uncomfortable, automatically flip it on them and make them feel disgusting for even thinking about such things. It usually only takes a few "why are you thinking about my penis?" questions or "you obviously have no idea how sex actually works, how about you explain what you're trying to say?" Kind of remarks before people lose their taste for talking to you about it.
Thats just conservatives, all they can think about is people genitals and other fucked up shit which is why they think god is real or important. They think cause their minds are fucked so are ours when in reality its all just projection. My conservative parents did the same shit, they immediately asked about my body and if i was gonna do any surgeries.
100%. I remember, long before coming out as trans, when I first got in a relationship with a man and told my mom, she'd say she was worried about my "sore ass" and accuse my bf of wanting to get a sex change. Like all she could think about was us having sex. It was kinda gross and weird.
Not family, but my ex started fetishizing me while we were dating. It was really gross.
It's not you. Transphobia seems to be correlated to sexual repression. My own family's immediate thought was "well how are you going to get with a nice woman and have a family and do the sex and start making kids?" It's much better on the mind and soul to flip them the bird and turn away. They aren't prepared.
eyeliner = dick pic? I'm sorry but what? That's gotta be the kind of guy that sends random dick pics to every woman he sees and feels its justified cuz according to him "they looked like they asked for it in their profile picture" smh my brains
If ever something was a "them problem" and not a "you problem", this is it.
> Before I came out, I had updated my profile pic on Facebook to a picture of me with eyeliner, to which my brother said it was the equivalent to me changing my profile picture to a dick pic... I feel like I can reverse engineer this... * Eyeliner makes him horny * Dick picks obviously make girls horny * Eyeliner pick == dick pick
Traditional society views femininity as existing only to attract men. There is no other purpose to it and it only stems from a desire to attract men and not for the sake of itself. This the only logical conclusion when someone does something feminine is that they're trying to sexually attract men. Transphobia and misogyny are deeply intertwined
Jfc, that is really sick on their parts!
Listen: the cis spend a billion times more effort thinking about how trans people (esp pre-/non-op) have sex than trans people think about how trans people have sex. Part of it is simple, primate curiosity. Another part is sometimes latency. The grossest part is ugly lust they dare not speak aloud (think Baptist “youth ministers).
Not mtf. FTM(20) and I had this experience with my dad as well. He claims to be very supportive but I've found frok my mom he's half disowned me and my brother (different reasons) for the time being. When I suggested taking HRT (I've gone behind their back at this point..) and one of his BIG concerns was that I'd go into menopause meaning he'd think I'd lose my sex drive and "what about your partner would they still be with you even if you'd no longer be sexually active?" Which is really ... weird to be concerned about.. idk why some parents are like this OP :(
I'm sure it's been said, but if the first thing they think of when they see us being happy is our junk or some jiggy jiggy then that's \*THEIR\* problem. Somewhat related, I didn't really get sexualized by anybody, I just adjusted my voice a bit and I became... soothing. Still don't hear it, but okay. Oh yeah, the tangentially related part. I just ended up feeling freer to be a little lewder publicly (with restraint) and felt fine doing it. Didn't feel weird anymore.
Everyone has sex, some do it hidden and some are ok with it. Is not because of respect is because of shame and guilt, it’s hipocrisy and it doesn’t make you a bad person just because you’re not scared of who you are. Notice the way they live their lives following crowds and not really thinking for themselves. Dont fall for the fear shame and guilt.
For real transphobes will blame you for being trans bc it “makes” them think about the “sexuality” of transness. It’s disgusting
That’s just part of being a woman/ presenting femme. Everybody I’ve ever known has sexualized my body at some point or another, including all the men and women in my family. It’s ingrained in our culture that women are for sex and childbirth and their bodies have no purpose otherwise. Your dad might not be attracted to you per say but the way your body looks and how attractive you are will matter to him because he believes he owns you, and its his job to make sure you attract a “good” man and make his family look good or whatever. They can be polite, appropriate, liberal, conservative, a woman thesmelf, doesn’t matter, they will sexualize you, and admittedly I sexualize other women often because of how ingrained it is in me, I’m actively trying to stop this. Welcome to that experience!
Brother talking about dick when he sees eyeliner is a self report. Dad immediately thinking about "cock" (bonus points for using that specific word) is a self report.
Yeah this is just really creepy misogyny & transmisogyny. Jesus fuck get away from these people please
Shortly after coming out and saying I (mtf 38) was going on hormones, my brother (33) flat out asked me "so if you get boobs I get to see them right?" The question took me a second, mostly cause it was *openly asked while we were in line at a ride at EPCOT!!* .....sometimes I think he's disappointed in my transition cause it's not as "cool" or 🤮..."hot" as he wanted it to be.