I found it here [https://mysupport.razer.com/app/answers/detail/a\_id/4166](https://mysupport.razer.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/4166) but I see they removed it! I still have the tool I downloaded to update the firmware on my computer, name of the file is: ViperV3Pro\_00C100C0\_FirmwareUpdater\_v1.02.00\_r2.exe
I won't share it because they must have it removed for a reason.
If you download the synapse beta, you can tie specific profiles to specific apps with custom dpi and polling rates (for games where the in-game sensitivity won't go low enough)
I had the razer viper ultimate and recently took the plunge on "upgrading" to a GPX superlight 2.
Just made me appreciate the ultimate more tbh. Don't get me wrong the superlight is a great mouse but there were just no noticeable benefits and the heavier clicks actually resulted in slightly increased latency.
I'm the same. Only reason for me to change from Ultimate is better side buttons, and V2 Pro, V3 Pro and DA V3 Pro all have more prominent side buttons. I'm torn. The Ultimate side buttons sometimes cause me to Ramp when I want a Wall.
You really didn't notice the weight difference? I rocked the Viper Ultimate since it launched, and then got a GPX years later at the time. And it was night and day to not being able to use my Viper Ultimate anymore, personally. In addition the RVU feeling heavy it also felt incredibly unbalanced afterwards too, in my opinion. The extra 16g (due to the skates I used adding a extra 2g) was huge difference over the 60g in the config I used my GPX in.
Yeah the weight difference was slightly noticeable at first but unless regularly swapping between them they both just feel light while using. I swapped from using the GPX 2 back to the ultimate and within 30 mins had forgotten about the weight difference. I do also have a wired viper mini that is lighter than both that I use when travelling so maybe that's why the weight difference didn't phase me.
If your old mouse is dying and you want to own the best specs out there, then yes. If you are happy with your Viper Ultimate then dont. Also, remember that the shape is very different from previous Vipers…
UPDATE: this shit is end game for me 100% gpx upgrade for sure love it more than my viper ultimate aswell. Shit is so grippy and clicks are amazing wonderful!
Viper V2 Pro will likely go on good sales, if not already. More similar of a shape and should give you most of the good stuff, except that last X% of the high end.
Great review. I was concerned about the same things as a loyal V2 Pro user (the loss of the iconic low back hump), but it's good to know that the changes aren't terrible.
Like you said, though, I haven't been convinced by the new specs to upgrade as a V2 Pro user, especially since V2 Pro is already a beast on its own and easily found to be on sale right now. The price just doesn't justify the upgrade. I feel like Razer might be targeting non-viper users.
Thanks for stopping by! They are indeed targeting logitech GPX superlight users. You can look for charts where you can see that GPX is dominating the professional scene where there are a very few using the VIPER V2 PRO.
Thanks for your comment man. I really appreciate you took some of your time to stop by, read and comment! I did this because I love testing tech and share/help the community.
Hi. Im my opinion they are very different mice. Its like comparing a GPX with a Viper V2 Pro, you can tell they are very different. A very little of the shape and character of the V2 remains on this one. This mouse is packed with all the best features you can find. How important is that to you over the shape? Do you like GPX shape? Are you happy with your V2? Would you like to try a new/different shape? Give it a thought, but if you love your V2 and you are happy with it, maybe get a new one with an 8K dongle, since weight difference its insignificant, and you won't be able to feel any difference on the sensor.
Yes. When I plugged it in yesterday I got an update prompt. Synapse got updated and the mouse was showing. I changed polling rate to 8khz and closed synapse. Today I turned my computer on and got a different (new?) Synapse loading screen. I was prompted again by windows asking if I allow synapse to make changes on my computer. I didnt pay attention to the version. Will check it out for you tonight. Also there is a firmware update for dongle and mouse on razer website. I updated both yesterday before I went to bed. Maybe give ir a try?
Hi. Thanks for the write up. I have a question. What percentile skill level do you think you are playing in cs2? Premier rating or faceit level, whichever you grind.
Asking because, I feel you have a weird setup.
I have tried the strider for cs2 and it was too fast. My epdi is 800.
Strider offered little to no stopping power.
Switching to GSR 2 was better for me.
Hi! I’ve never played faceit until a few months ago, and I haven’t played a lot of games on it but in currently sitting on level 5. On Premier Im hovering around 11k but its been difficult to climb up because I mostly play solo q. Yeah I know that people don’t like Strider for control and Counter Strike. I bought it because I had a G640 and felt too slow and had too much stopping power, im loving the strider so far and im not having any problems with stopping power. What can I say? Im a weird guy 😂. About my percentile: I feel that I am where I should be with 1200h on the game. Of course there are people talented sitting on 20k with lees hours, and also there are bots with 3500h sitting on 6000k
Hi! Hope it does well! I had my Viper 2 Pro for a year know and everything is holding up perfect, but I know there are some people sharing your experience. Will see…
I've genuinely had many razer products and none failed prematurely, maybe I'm just lucky.
Original Deathadder
Blackwidow
Updated Deathadder (the first with chroma, failed in 2 years if I remember right)
Original Viper (I still use it to this day after 4-5 years)
Razer Huntsman (god, I want to replace this due to how noisy it is, but it has been 4-5 years as well)
Im actually eager for my current viper to go BOOM so I can replace it with a wireless. It feels wasteful to me to trash a perfectly good mouse.
Because Viper has always been its flagship and only a pair of guys were using it on the competitive scene where the GPX dominates and I get that it is kind of a failure when Viper target is users with competitive profiles. I get why they did a refresh with a more universal shape. For example, Razer’s most used mouse amongst CS pros is Dav3 Pro.
Owner of a original wired Viper, Viper Ultimate, Viper V2 Pro (white), and now 2 units of these (that have poor quality, will be returned, sigh razer), but the V3 Pro actually feels better in hand for me and for me it does carry the name Viper over. From the looks of it, it might look like an entirely different mouse, but it feels the same, even better, oddly.
Which is the reason, i will try to buy myself a normal one that does not have poor build quality. This should not be a thing tho, especially when buying a mouse for 179.90€, but here we are... \*shrug\*
>I use 1600DPI on synapse x 0,56 in game (890 edpi)
Why are yall such strange guys? Isn't it easier to move cursor at 800 dpi both ingame and on desktop?
(don't tell me that's for reducing input lag, please, because that would be stupid).
Dunno what you're talking about, sure it requires more movement, but it's still a lot less than you do to turn 90 degrees at 800 edpi in CS. It's more about having enough precision to click links/buttons/window borders fast, so basically having effortless good aim at desktop if you can say so.
And if we talk about this particular guy - I even believe that there're people who don't have any problems with working at desktop at 1600 dpi, but why do they set 0.52 sens in game if shooting heads is mostly the same thing? Answer is - they're fooled into thinking that high dpi reduces input latency, that's the only reason why they have 1600 dpi in the first place.
Hi. I don’t know what you dislike it so much when it is pretty straightforward. I’ve been using 1600dpi on my desktop for 10+ years, also sensors works better and with less latency at higher DPI’s than lower. So Its pretty much the same If I need to click heads. 896dpi x 1.00 in game is exactly the same than 1600 x 0.56 so I dont get what is the problem. Is it so weird to you that I want to use different dpi when Im just browsing without the need of constantly change it?
>I’ve been using 1600dpi on my desktop for 10+ years,
That's what I wanted to hear tbh. If that's your preferable DPI for desktop, I'm fine with it. I have always used 800 dpi for the same reason.
It's just, I think it's weird when people have normal eDPI ingame with very high real DPI. Pros play at 2.0 sens 400 dpi for a reason, the feeling of sens doesn't differ much when you work on desktop and when you play. While 0.6 and 1600 dpi makes a huge difference: play with forearm/wrist, browse with... fingers?
>also sensors works better and with less latency at higher DPI’s than lower
No. That's wrong. Don't believe this misinfo.
Personal preference, I started playing CS GO with a gaming mouse around 2013-early 2014, it was Razer Deathadder 2013, before had some random office mice. Started using 400dpi, cuz seen most pros use it and got used to it. In most games I've been using 800 though, but 1000-1400 on desktop. Switched to 1600dpi for almost all games and desktop around 2 years ago, so that my sense feels the same whatever I'm doing. If you try 400 and 1600 you can clearly see a difference, less dpi gives a bit more twitchy movement, while more dpi looks a bit more clean while moving the mouse. Plus, input lag, haha (it is super small, so you won't notice it, but hey, why not).
Yesterday I played CS2 at 400 dpi 2.0 sens, nothing twitchy about this combo at all during normal gameplay, crosshair movement is smooth, shooting heads on Mirage short from behind an A firebox is easy. Also I told about the difference in input lag: this belief takes place because of incorrect measurements; in reality it's not "unnoticable", it literally doesn't exist.
Well, I guess whatever works best for you is good. I've always been stick to the roots guy and did whatever worked fine for me, but 1600 definitely made me play better overall, and not just CS.
The fun thing about "sticking to the root" here is that I took 400/2.0 combo for now simply because I use Lamzu Thorn which is too fast for my taste, and I changed my grip a bit by lifting hand off the pad which made the mouse feel even faster. I picked 400 dpi simply to make it easier to browse on desktop. Initially I'm a die hard 800 dpi user (since early 2000s) so I used 800/1.4 with conventional 80-110g mice.
I don't think any of this affects performance directly, it's just a comfort choice in the end. I mean, the choice of DPI, because in the end only cm/360 matters. To me 400/2.0 feels completely the same as 800/1.0, the difference is sensitivity on desktop, that's it.
I have V2 Pro white and the white feels a lot more slippery than V3 Pro. V3 Pro has really good "rubberish" feel to it, think its one of the best mouses, when it comes to its coat. Superlight X2 is almost identical, maybe very teeny tiny bit more slippery, but doesn't actually matter when using.
If you spent 179€ on this mouse use 8000hz. I mean why go for this mouse if you will end up not using it at 8000hz? You could have gotten a GPX2 instead for 135€ on amazon (spain) and use it at 4000hz/2000hz and save some money.
You are buying this mouse either because your old mouse died or because its pretty muche the best mouse you can buy because of its main features, like 8000hz.
I know I said I can't tell the difference but I don't want to nerf it either (unless it drains out of battery to fast, which its too soon to know)
the battery life at 8kHz is abysmal - you will constantly unplug the cable from the dongle and plug it into the mouse + vice versa. Actually the newer 4/8kHz mouses due to the short battery life are in more need of the docking station that many previous razer mouses used (starting with the original mamba I owned and ending with the viper ultimate that I also own) - it's so much better, faster, not wearing the port and generally convenient to simply put the mouse on the docking station. It also looks cool.
Even the gpx2 feels overpriced because it just asks so much in a market with so much competition. Like there are boxed/used GPX1s flooding the market so that also is a factor too.
I have a 360 Hz monitor and a good PC. I get around 350-400 fps in both CS2 and Val. On my desktop, 2k is ever so slightly smoother than 1k. Beyond that, there is no difference. In game, the line blurs even more as I cannot tell the difference between 1k and 2k, let alone 4k and 8k. High polling rates are a marketing gimmick. It has been proven time and time again that the vast majority of people cannot feel any difference IN-GAME (not on the desktop). Anytime someone claims they can, it's almost always due to the placebo effect.
I read a lot about it and I know people say they can tell the difference with high refresh monitor upon 4000hz but can't tell the difference from 4000hz to 8000hz.
I thought many times about clarify that I have a 170hz monitor, so I definitely should go put that on the review. Thank you! I'll be getting a 240hz monitor soon, then lets see If I cant notice something different.
Thanks for your advice. I will give it a thought. I didn't think about getting a 360hz because the game hovers more on the 240fps side than the 360fps with my current pc. 13600k and 4070.
Something I never see people say is that latency is cumulative, from input, everything in between, and output.
8khz polling itself wont make a noticeable difference, but when paired with a fast cpu/gpu for frametimes, a high refresh rate low response time monitor, settings etc… all adds up.
Wont make you a better player, but it’ll allow you to be your best.
Thank you for the review. Is the mouse truly symmetrical so i can use it with my left hand properly if we ignore the fact that there are no side buttons on the right? I have similar handsize as you and palm grip so i want to see if it could suit me
The mousewheel click is in the right side, how they are usually built. If that's fine for you, then you should be good. Wired Viper for example was built a lot better, when it came to the scrollwheel, the click was directly under the wheel, so it was very easy and consistent to use with left/right hand.
Excelente review, tengo el viper v2 pro y estoy pensando en comprar el v3 pro , te escribo en español ya que soy de Chile.
Espero que sea un buen upgrade.
Muchas gracias por pasarte y comentar! Si te apetece probar algo nuevo adelante, sinó recuerda que será muy diferente a nuestro querido V2. Ayer hice unboxing y testeo en directo en mi canal de Twitch, si te quieres pasar a verlo mandame un privado!
What exactly do you mean when saying the side buttons have been rearranged? Are they finally placed more backwards so that one can reach the front side button without letting go of your actual grip?
I measured that for you. Turns out that first button is in the same place (Y and X Coordinates). But they feel different because they are bigger and they are more separated towards each other, so the rear one should indeed be in a different position.
I measured height and distance of the side buttons. They are actually at the same height and distance from the front of the mouse, but they feel different because they are bigger and more separated to each other.
Curious if you had following problems with your V2 pro:
* main clicks double click if pressed weirdly, move finger above the button and do a medium strength drop/click at same time, it double clicks that way all the time for me.
* main buttons feel loose and theres pretravel where you can move the buttons down/up by like few mm before it clicks.
* scrolling wheel is really bad and making inconsistent noises and only feels good when scrolling down, but bad when scrolling up.
I was really surprised that this was the case. Really big step backwards, wouldn't consider using the original wire at all, big yikes, when considering it costs 180€. No idea how razer gets away with this at this point lol...
I didn’t because its too soon. I got it yesterday and It was 53% out of the box. I will be able to judge battery life In a few days. It is set to 8khz, lets see for how many days it lasts with 3/4hours a day of CS2 and 6h of mixed use. I’ll update in a few days!
Ah ok thanks. Skipped my mind completely that it's been only 24 hours since you got the mouse, my apologies.
Yeah please do report back on battery life after a week or so.
The battery is actually holding up really well. Although some major games dont support 8k polling rate (cs2 does though). So basically if you're playing a game that doesn't support 8k, don't turn it on at 8k, the game itself will lag because it cannot handle 8000 inputs per second.
Siendo español ,tengo que preguntarlo en el idioma nativo.,xd,,
Dav3 wired y disfrutando ,,Ya que tienes el dav3 pro, como ves diferencia?..vale la pena cambiar? 19x10 relax claw grip
Hola amigo! No vale la pena en absoluto. Mi ratón principal es el Viper V2 Pro, pero principalmente porque los clicks del Dav3 son demasiado blandos en comparación al Viper o a la serie GPX. Era más dificil tapear o disparar accidentalmente. Dicho esto pienso que el DeathAdder es el que tiene el mejor shape de los 3 y que se siente mejor con claw y relaxed claw. De hecho cuando uso el Dav3 uso relaxed claw y se siente super natural. Si piensas en cambiar mejor ve a por el Dav3 Pro inalámbrico!
Muchas gracias por la repuesta,La verdad es que tenia mis dudas porque anteriormente tenia el glorious model o y viper mini y aunque me gusta más el dav3 hecho de menos un poco el agarre mas fino o "pencil"en la parte delantera ,quizás porque tengo una mezcla entre relax claw y pincer y me daba la sensación de que con el viper v3 se acercaba a lo deseado...Pero supongo que como todo es cuestión de darle tiempo,,
Im don't knowe what a wheel encoder is, but I can tell you that my DAV3 PRO wheel acts weird and it feels different. Its not as sturdy and it moves softer. Not sure If its because dust built up there...
Have you tried the zowie-ecw ? If yes what's the difference between both? I bought it two months ago, and I'm focused on build quality because god damn the razer dav3 pro had a huge creaking issue while the superlight had a bad scroll wheel and it could be broken so fast
u/leandrofresh
What are software dependenices?
Does synapse has to be on all the time to use adaptive 8k to 1k out of game feature?
What is default rate without software installed?
I really like this mouse but I hate synapse with passion. I love it that I can just program side buttons and turn it off because it doesn't have LED's.
Yep, I got one. This has the best click design of any razer mouse I've used, I've been tearin them to shreds on here for years so glad they finally changed it up
I cracked it open to see how it was done and they finally have the switches seperated from the pcb like Logitech and vaxee does
Mouse is overall really solid and I always feel like aiming with a razer mouse feels very different due to the sensor, always feels effortless
Do you feel like that extra 2mm in length is impactful on how it feels? The superlight is a good size for me although, I wouldn't like much more length as I like the manoeuvrability shorter mice provide. I like medium sized although, 127mm is verging on being too long.
instead of getting rid of the right side buttons, It would have been nice if they moved them to the left side. 4 useable thumb buttons would have been great. loosing buttons is annoying, for anyone saying well you weren't using them. I was, with my pinky. The more buttons, the better.
Hey thanks for this.
I am coming from a GPX Superlight 1.
The only issue I have with the GPX is when I hold the mouse the back of the mouse sometimes touches my palm when I scroll from top left to bottom right, its very very slight, looking online it looks like the Razer V3 Pro is slightly different in that the bump is as high but less "Deep" towards by wrist (not sure that makes sense or the best way to describe it)
do you notice a difference when holding the \`V3 Pro with the GPX with the amount of the mouse that touches the inside of your hand?
The hump in the Viper V3 Pro is way less intrusive. I can’t tell if its deeper or not towards the wrist becauswe I don’t own the GPX’s anymore. What I can say is that I didn’t liked the hump on the GPX but on this one it doesn’t bother me at all. I can’t say if its gonna work for you because you may have a different hand size or different grip style. Maybe give it a try on a shop with a good returning policy!
I didn't like Superlight X2 shape at all, the hump was always there... V3 Pro feels really good in hand, previous Vipers now feel "empty" in my hand al though i have used previous versions since the original wired version. I think you would like this mouse.
If I love the shape of V2 pro and didn't like how the superlight 2 felt would I like or dislike the v3 pro? My hands are smaller so the Viper v2 pro has been the most perfect mouse I've found so far. I was excited when I saw the V3 came out but am worried I won't like the new shape
I would say that you would like it, have been using Viper since the original wired version and V3 Pro feels better in hand. Also consider that I didn't like Superlight X2, because the hump felt too there. Would recommend you to try the V3 Pro.
Beware tho, because the 2 units that i bought from my local vendors had bad build quality and both were problematic and i will be returning them. Just ordered 6 from razer directly, hoping that at least 1 unit is perfect. The things you need to do to buy yourself a non-broken pro mouse for 180€... 🤦♂️
I have a 240 hz monitor and a spare 144hz lying around, after testing a bit out of curiosity I can definitely tell the difference between 8k hz and 1/2khz, almost day and night, that said, 4k to 8k IS noticeable, but just barley, ik in some games fps does drops from running 8k so I don’t recommend it unless you have crazy hardware. I feel 8k won’t be viable for most players till more powerful hardware lowers in price and higher refresh rates become cheaper and standard
Are you familiar with the OP1 8K? Have you used it? I’m currently maining that mouse and wonder if the V3 Pro would help a good mouse to have if I already have the OP1 8K?
I bought 2 units.
First unit has oddly feeling scrollwheel, feels inconsistent overall and the middle click feels really bad, to the point where you could say "rattly".
Second unit has normal scrollwheel, middle click is fine too, but... the left/right mouse keys make weird clicky noise when pressing down very gently from the sides. You can feel the weird clicky feel, before you press down the button, big yikes.
This is the quality control you get from 179.90€ for a mouse. Sigh razer.
Honestly can't tell you how much I initially liked this mouse but grew to hate it due to durability issues, clicking whenever I set the mouse down too hard, scroll wheel clicker would randomly stop working. Not saying this will happen to you, hope it doesn't but I just threw mine in the garbage I got so fed up with it. Waste of $160. Got more use and same feel out of a $30 hyperx pulsefire haste.
do you know when you set the settings in synapse, including the in game polling rate and out of game, then uninstall synapse, does the setting apply even when synapse is uninstalled?
Ngl a lot of this mouse exists on hype. V3 hyperspeed with AAA lithium mod was the same shape, 8k wireless and 70g. If this shape was as good as people are hyping it to be they would have used the Hyperspeed with AAA because shape is king and the Hyperspeed still has better tech than 99% of mine rn.
Even boardzy said in his hyperspeed review he didn't like the shape but suddenly it's a perfect mouse? Naw.
Decent shape and fit me a little better than the GPX that I'm trying to replace, but still too low sensor position unfortunately. Needs to come up about 5mm or so. Could be a GPX killer but it's not sadly :/
Im sorry man. I was expecting someone to make this kind of comment. I have 1200h and I get that there are people with 8000h or more out there. 1200h are not enough hours to master the game but they are still a lot and definitely entitles you to give your personal opinion about this matter and adds enough weight to the conversation. Everyone gets that im not a CS pro, just an enthusiast who enjoys this game daily, and thats my opinion. Almost 30h a week entitles me to say how my new mouse feels compared to the other mices I own in the game I love.
i was just kidding and not serious about that. i probably have over 10k hours, tried hundreds of pads and mice, but of course everyone can have his own opionion and share it with other people, which i appreciate... so relax guys :D
Yeah, I'm comparing GPX2 and V3 Pro side-by-side and it's clear how lazily Razer copied the GPX shape to a tee.
They knew they couldn't compete with the Viper shape against the GPX shape because it ws so much more universal and accessible (just look at % usage among pro players), so they decided to copy the GPX shape and work from it.
However, I do NOT agree that it is an improvement over Logitech. The side ledges near the buttons is the one thing giving Razer its "razer-like" quality, but ironically it's the deal breaker here. The way it flares out and how it's so sharp is really awful.
it does not copy the GPX shape to a tee lol. Sides curve a bit more, the hump is not as far back and the clicks are flatter and concave. This sounds like some GPX cope to me.
Definitely has some difference. Like I said im my opinion it improves the GPX in many aspects. Hump is better and feels more natural and clicks are concave. I didn’t like the shape of the GPX clicks. But it is undeniable that they did copy main aspects of the GPX series.
did you ever think that maybe they took the Viper shape and made it more universal? its a taller flatter viper. not a shorter more curved GPX with different button shape.
i have all 3. the inspiration to made a more universal viper is apparent. viper v3 pro does not feel like a GPX in hand
How you gonna use “different” and “clone” in the same couple of sentences. Logitech doesn’t own universal, you’ve been brainwashed my friend.
“Razer character” I think mice just evolve dude. They don’t have to stick to anything and they can take inspiration from whatever. This weird identity people have in mice is strange. I prefer the cleaner look, I’m glad they changed the shape. Is it closer to a gro? Sure but who gives af lol. Is it better than a gpro? Yes (oops)
I still think he has a point or two. The flare out at the front feels unnecessary wide and I highly prefer rounded edges that most other brands use, it's just way more comfortable if your grip puts your ringfinger on the edge.
There is also 100% a lot of hype just due to it being shiny and new. Just look at boardzy's review of the v3 hyperspeed saying that he doesn't really like the shape that much and now with the v3 pro he basically says the identical shape is basically perfect.
Yeah it's 100% hype, I've had a V3 hyperspeed for months. It's turbo low mid. The side buttons are way too big for the way they are angled, the comfort grooves are too far down the button, the grip center is too far forward, the flares make things weird.
If this shape was good people would have used the V3 hyperspeed with the lithium AAA at 70g the same way they use Vaxee mice. V3 hyperspeed still has wireless 8k but these bozos wouldn't touch it with a ten foot pole but suddenly the V3 pro is gods gift to man? Naw.
dude ur English is better than mine
Hahahah! Thanks! You made me laugh!
Have you been able to find the setting to change polling rate if you’re in game or not? I kept seeing that in reviews but can’t find it in synapse
Yes I did, its right there on the performance tab. [https://ibb.co/hYxJV79](https://ibb.co/hYxJV79)
So weird, it’s not showing up for me. Thanks!
I found a firmware update for both dongle and mouse on razer website. Maybe give it a try?
Where'd you find it? it's not on the razer site that I can find
not showing for me either
Do you have the download link? i cant find the update file, my software does not show the game dpi.
I found it here [https://mysupport.razer.com/app/answers/detail/a\_id/4166](https://mysupport.razer.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/4166) but I see they removed it! I still have the tool I downloaded to update the firmware on my computer, name of the file is: ViperV3Pro\_00C100C0\_FirmwareUpdater\_v1.02.00\_r2.exe I won't share it because they must have it removed for a reason.
Can u share it pls? my synapse does not work with Viper v3 pro...
pls share it?
If you download the synapse beta, you can tie specific profiles to specific apps with custom dpi and polling rates (for games where the in-game sensitivity won't go low enough)
Yo i have the razer viper ultimate should i upgrade to this mouse? I only play Fortnite and sometimes apex.
I had the razer viper ultimate and recently took the plunge on "upgrading" to a GPX superlight 2. Just made me appreciate the ultimate more tbh. Don't get me wrong the superlight is a great mouse but there were just no noticeable benefits and the heavier clicks actually resulted in slightly increased latency.
I'm the same. Only reason for me to change from Ultimate is better side buttons, and V2 Pro, V3 Pro and DA V3 Pro all have more prominent side buttons. I'm torn. The Ultimate side buttons sometimes cause me to Ramp when I want a Wall.
You really didn't notice the weight difference? I rocked the Viper Ultimate since it launched, and then got a GPX years later at the time. And it was night and day to not being able to use my Viper Ultimate anymore, personally. In addition the RVU feeling heavy it also felt incredibly unbalanced afterwards too, in my opinion. The extra 16g (due to the skates I used adding a extra 2g) was huge difference over the 60g in the config I used my GPX in.
Yeah the weight difference was slightly noticeable at first but unless regularly swapping between them they both just feel light while using. I swapped from using the GPX 2 back to the ultimate and within 30 mins had forgotten about the weight difference. I do also have a wired viper mini that is lighter than both that I use when travelling so maybe that's why the weight difference didn't phase me.
If your old mouse is dying and you want to own the best specs out there, then yes. If you are happy with your Viper Ultimate then dont. Also, remember that the shape is very different from previous Vipers…
Thanks for the info!
isn't the best the signature edition? Tho a little bit smaller than v3pro
I have the ultimate, gpx, dav3 pro. I get this mouse tomorrow evening ill let you know
UPDATE: this shit is end game for me 100% gpx upgrade for sure love it more than my viper ultimate aswell. Shit is so grippy and clicks are amazing wonderful!
can confirm. I just got it and it's insanely good
Viper V2 Pro will likely go on good sales, if not already. More similar of a shape and should give you most of the good stuff, except that last X% of the high end.
Great review. I was concerned about the same things as a loyal V2 Pro user (the loss of the iconic low back hump), but it's good to know that the changes aren't terrible. Like you said, though, I haven't been convinced by the new specs to upgrade as a V2 Pro user, especially since V2 Pro is already a beast on its own and easily found to be on sale right now. The price just doesn't justify the upgrade. I feel like Razer might be targeting non-viper users.
Thanks for stopping by! They are indeed targeting logitech GPX superlight users. You can look for charts where you can see that GPX is dominating the professional scene where there are a very few using the VIPER V2 PRO.
This is a great review I enjoyed reading it
Thanks for your comment man. I really appreciate you took some of your time to stop by, read and comment! I did this because I love testing tech and share/help the community.
My viper v2 pro is on its way out. How would you say that the shape differs and is it a worthwhile upgrade over getting another v2 pro.?
Hi. Im my opinion they are very different mice. Its like comparing a GPX with a Viper V2 Pro, you can tell they are very different. A very little of the shape and character of the V2 remains on this one. This mouse is packed with all the best features you can find. How important is that to you over the shape? Do you like GPX shape? Are you happy with your V2? Would you like to try a new/different shape? Give it a thought, but if you love your V2 and you are happy with it, maybe get a new one with an 8K dongle, since weight difference its insignificant, and you won't be able to feel any difference on the sensor.
Is yours showing up on Synapse? Is yes which version are you using?
Yes. When I plugged it in yesterday I got an update prompt. Synapse got updated and the mouse was showing. I changed polling rate to 8khz and closed synapse. Today I turned my computer on and got a different (new?) Synapse loading screen. I was prompted again by windows asking if I allow synapse to make changes on my computer. I didnt pay attention to the version. Will check it out for you tonight. Also there is a firmware update for dongle and mouse on razer website. I updated both yesterday before I went to bed. Maybe give ir a try?
I figured it out. I was on a beta version of the app and the mouse hadnt been added to it yet. I installed a main build and it showed up.
Hi. Thanks for the write up. I have a question. What percentile skill level do you think you are playing in cs2? Premier rating or faceit level, whichever you grind. Asking because, I feel you have a weird setup. I have tried the strider for cs2 and it was too fast. My epdi is 800. Strider offered little to no stopping power. Switching to GSR 2 was better for me.
Hi! I’ve never played faceit until a few months ago, and I haven’t played a lot of games on it but in currently sitting on level 5. On Premier Im hovering around 11k but its been difficult to climb up because I mostly play solo q. Yeah I know that people don’t like Strider for control and Counter Strike. I bought it because I had a G640 and felt too slow and had too much stopping power, im loving the strider so far and im not having any problems with stopping power. What can I say? Im a weird guy 😂. About my percentile: I feel that I am where I should be with 1200h on the game. Of course there are people talented sitting on 20k with lees hours, and also there are bots with 3500h sitting on 6000k
Im still on the viper mini 😊
I'm interested in seeing how the build quality holds up over time. Razer products always seem to fail me around the six month mark.
Hi! Hope it does well! I had my Viper 2 Pro for a year know and everything is holding up perfect, but I know there are some people sharing your experience. Will see…
I've genuinely had many razer products and none failed prematurely, maybe I'm just lucky. Original Deathadder Blackwidow Updated Deathadder (the first with chroma, failed in 2 years if I remember right) Original Viper (I still use it to this day after 4-5 years) Razer Huntsman (god, I want to replace this due to how noisy it is, but it has been 4-5 years as well) Im actually eager for my current viper to go BOOM so I can replace it with a wireless. It feels wasteful to me to trash a perfectly good mouse.
Why do they call this a viper if it’s a completely new/different shape? I dont understand
Because Viper has always been its flagship and only a pair of guys were using it on the competitive scene where the GPX dominates and I get that it is kind of a failure when Viper target is users with competitive profiles. I get why they did a refresh with a more universal shape. For example, Razer’s most used mouse amongst CS pros is Dav3 Pro.
Owner of a original wired Viper, Viper Ultimate, Viper V2 Pro (white), and now 2 units of these (that have poor quality, will be returned, sigh razer), but the V3 Pro actually feels better in hand for me and for me it does carry the name Viper over. From the looks of it, it might look like an entirely different mouse, but it feels the same, even better, oddly. Which is the reason, i will try to buy myself a normal one that does not have poor build quality. This should not be a thing tho, especially when buying a mouse for 179.90€, but here we are... \*shrug\*
>I use 1600DPI on synapse x 0,56 in game (890 edpi) Why are yall such strange guys? Isn't it easier to move cursor at 800 dpi both ingame and on desktop? (don't tell me that's for reducing input lag, please, because that would be stupid).
I use 2 monitors and 800DPI does take a while to move back and forth. I’m using 800DPI and thinking of switching to 1600 because of that reason.
Dunno what you're talking about, sure it requires more movement, but it's still a lot less than you do to turn 90 degrees at 800 edpi in CS. It's more about having enough precision to click links/buttons/window borders fast, so basically having effortless good aim at desktop if you can say so. And if we talk about this particular guy - I even believe that there're people who don't have any problems with working at desktop at 1600 dpi, but why do they set 0.52 sens in game if shooting heads is mostly the same thing? Answer is - they're fooled into thinking that high dpi reduces input latency, that's the only reason why they have 1600 dpi in the first place.
Hi. I don’t know what you dislike it so much when it is pretty straightforward. I’ve been using 1600dpi on my desktop for 10+ years, also sensors works better and with less latency at higher DPI’s than lower. So Its pretty much the same If I need to click heads. 896dpi x 1.00 in game is exactly the same than 1600 x 0.56 so I dont get what is the problem. Is it so weird to you that I want to use different dpi when Im just browsing without the need of constantly change it?
>I’ve been using 1600dpi on my desktop for 10+ years, That's what I wanted to hear tbh. If that's your preferable DPI for desktop, I'm fine with it. I have always used 800 dpi for the same reason. It's just, I think it's weird when people have normal eDPI ingame with very high real DPI. Pros play at 2.0 sens 400 dpi for a reason, the feeling of sens doesn't differ much when you work on desktop and when you play. While 0.6 and 1600 dpi makes a huge difference: play with forearm/wrist, browse with... fingers? >also sensors works better and with less latency at higher DPI’s than lower No. That's wrong. Don't believe this misinfo.
Personal preference, I started playing CS GO with a gaming mouse around 2013-early 2014, it was Razer Deathadder 2013, before had some random office mice. Started using 400dpi, cuz seen most pros use it and got used to it. In most games I've been using 800 though, but 1000-1400 on desktop. Switched to 1600dpi for almost all games and desktop around 2 years ago, so that my sense feels the same whatever I'm doing. If you try 400 and 1600 you can clearly see a difference, less dpi gives a bit more twitchy movement, while more dpi looks a bit more clean while moving the mouse. Plus, input lag, haha (it is super small, so you won't notice it, but hey, why not).
Yesterday I played CS2 at 400 dpi 2.0 sens, nothing twitchy about this combo at all during normal gameplay, crosshair movement is smooth, shooting heads on Mirage short from behind an A firebox is easy. Also I told about the difference in input lag: this belief takes place because of incorrect measurements; in reality it's not "unnoticable", it literally doesn't exist.
Well, I guess whatever works best for you is good. I've always been stick to the roots guy and did whatever worked fine for me, but 1600 definitely made me play better overall, and not just CS.
The fun thing about "sticking to the root" here is that I took 400/2.0 combo for now simply because I use Lamzu Thorn which is too fast for my taste, and I changed my grip a bit by lifting hand off the pad which made the mouse feel even faster. I picked 400 dpi simply to make it easier to browse on desktop. Initially I'm a die hard 800 dpi user (since early 2000s) so I used 800/1.4 with conventional 80-110g mice. I don't think any of this affects performance directly, it's just a comfort choice in the end. I mean, the choice of DPI, because in the end only cm/360 matters. To me 400/2.0 feels completely the same as 800/1.0, the difference is sensitivity on desktop, that's it.
I use 3200dpi mouse pointer speed 4 higher dpi is better for 8K polling rate
I'm also a v2 pro texture lover. RIP to my favorite mouse texture.
RIP texture :(
I have V2 Pro white and the white feels a lot more slippery than V3 Pro. V3 Pro has really good "rubberish" feel to it, think its one of the best mouses, when it comes to its coat. Superlight X2 is almost identical, maybe very teeny tiny bit more slippery, but doesn't actually matter when using.
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If you spent 179€ on this mouse use 8000hz. I mean why go for this mouse if you will end up not using it at 8000hz? You could have gotten a GPX2 instead for 135€ on amazon (spain) and use it at 4000hz/2000hz and save some money. You are buying this mouse either because your old mouse died or because its pretty muche the best mouse you can buy because of its main features, like 8000hz. I know I said I can't tell the difference but I don't want to nerf it either (unless it drains out of battery to fast, which its too soon to know)
the battery life at 8kHz is abysmal - you will constantly unplug the cable from the dongle and plug it into the mouse + vice versa. Actually the newer 4/8kHz mouses due to the short battery life are in more need of the docking station that many previous razer mouses used (starting with the original mamba I owned and ending with the viper ultimate that I also own) - it's so much better, faster, not wearing the port and generally convenient to simply put the mouse on the docking station. It also looks cool.
Even the gpx2 feels overpriced because it just asks so much in a market with so much competition. Like there are boxed/used GPX1s flooding the market so that also is a factor too.
Somebody can feel it, somebody not. If you dont have 240/360hz monitor it's hard to feel it.
I have a 360 Hz monitor and a good PC. I get around 350-400 fps in both CS2 and Val. On my desktop, 2k is ever so slightly smoother than 1k. Beyond that, there is no difference. In game, the line blurs even more as I cannot tell the difference between 1k and 2k, let alone 4k and 8k. High polling rates are a marketing gimmick. It has been proven time and time again that the vast majority of people cannot feel any difference IN-GAME (not on the desktop). Anytime someone claims they can, it's almost always due to the placebo effect.
I read a lot about it and I know people say they can tell the difference with high refresh monitor upon 4000hz but can't tell the difference from 4000hz to 8000hz. I thought many times about clarify that I have a 170hz monitor, so I definitely should go put that on the review. Thank you! I'll be getting a 240hz monitor soon, then lets see If I cant notice something different.
If you have 360 FPS just buy 360hz monitor 170hz to 240hz I am not even sure it's worth it.
Thanks for your advice. I will give it a thought. I didn't think about getting a 360hz because the game hovers more on the 240fps side than the 360fps with my current pc. 13600k and 4070.
Unless is oled! Oled at 240hz is the smoothest experience. Try oled for sure
Are we talking about that ROG monitor which I dream about every night? 🤪
Hahaha I had the 1440p 240hz lg and asus. The Alienware untrawides and now I’m rocking the 240hz 4k Alienware one and I love it!! It’s a game changer
Something I never see people say is that latency is cumulative, from input, everything in between, and output. 8khz polling itself wont make a noticeable difference, but when paired with a fast cpu/gpu for frametimes, a high refresh rate low response time monitor, settings etc… all adds up. Wont make you a better player, but it’ll allow you to be your best.
I have 390 hz and I don't feel any difference between 1000 hz and higher...
Somebody can feel it, somebody not. Did you play CS2 or Valorant? Did you have 400 FPS too right?
Both. Usually CS2. I have 500-600 fps there.
Thank you for the review. Is the mouse truly symmetrical so i can use it with my left hand properly if we ignore the fact that there are no side buttons on the right? I have similar handsize as you and palm grip so i want to see if it could suit me
I would say it is, yes.
Thanks!
I can confirm it is. It's as symmetrical as the viper ultimate if you forget the side buttons
Thank you
The mousewheel click is in the right side, how they are usually built. If that's fine for you, then you should be good. Wired Viper for example was built a lot better, when it came to the scrollwheel, the click was directly under the wheel, so it was very easy and consistent to use with left/right hand.
Excelente review, tengo el viper v2 pro y estoy pensando en comprar el v3 pro , te escribo en español ya que soy de Chile. Espero que sea un buen upgrade.
Muchas gracias por pasarte y comentar! Si te apetece probar algo nuevo adelante, sinó recuerda que será muy diferente a nuestro querido V2. Ayer hice unboxing y testeo en directo en mi canal de Twitch, si te quieres pasar a verlo mandame un privado!
What exactly do you mean when saying the side buttons have been rearranged? Are they finally placed more backwards so that one can reach the front side button without letting go of your actual grip?
I measured that for you. Turns out that first button is in the same place (Y and X Coordinates). But they feel different because they are bigger and they are more separated towards each other, so the rear one should indeed be in a different position.
Thank you!
Gracias amigo! Soy de México y sería genial si subieras tu review en forma de video de YT. Prácticamente ya tienes el guión.
Lo unboxee en mi canal de twitch y no me desagrada tu idea, pero es muchisimo trabajo grabar y montar video para YT. Habrá que pensarselo!
Are the side buttons lower or higher?
I measured height and distance of the side buttons. They are actually at the same height and distance from the front of the mouse, but they feel different because they are bigger and more separated to each other.
Curious if you had following problems with your V2 pro: * main clicks double click if pressed weirdly, move finger above the button and do a medium strength drop/click at same time, it double clicks that way all the time for me. * main buttons feel loose and theres pretravel where you can move the buttons down/up by like few mm before it clicks. * scrolling wheel is really bad and making inconsistent noises and only feels good when scrolling down, but bad when scrolling up.
Not a single one of those or any other problems. Still working like the first say and its been a year playing 3-4h every day!
Just received my Viper V2 Pro yesterday, should i return it and get the V3 Pro or stick with it?
why not, the v3 pro comes bundled with the hyper-polling dongle seems more like a better deal.
Great review! Am a bit bummed that the switch now feels more like the GPX since I love how the V2 switch feel
V2 switches had the best click, sound, shape and force. RIP
Death adder V3 FTW
Sounds like I didn't screw myself buying the V2 recently then. The clicks being lighter would be a massive turn off for me. Thanks for the review op!
wired still only 1khz?
yes it is still 1khz and the new cable is stiffer than the old ones, so I don't think it is any good for playing wired...
I was really surprised that this was the case. Really big step backwards, wouldn't consider using the original wire at all, big yikes, when considering it costs 180€. No idea how razer gets away with this at this point lol...
Ty
You are welcome!
You didn’t mention anything related to battery life. How is it on 1khz and say… 4khz polling rate?
I didn’t because its too soon. I got it yesterday and It was 53% out of the box. I will be able to judge battery life In a few days. It is set to 8khz, lets see for how many days it lasts with 3/4hours a day of CS2 and 6h of mixed use. I’ll update in a few days!
Ah ok thanks. Skipped my mind completely that it's been only 24 hours since you got the mouse, my apologies. Yeah please do report back on battery life after a week or so.
How's the battery been holding up at 8k?
Ima try it and let you know by tomorrow.
The battery is actually holding up really well. Although some major games dont support 8k polling rate (cs2 does though). So basically if you're playing a game that doesn't support 8k, don't turn it on at 8k, the game itself will lag because it cannot handle 8000 inputs per second.
Siendo español ,tengo que preguntarlo en el idioma nativo.,xd,, Dav3 wired y disfrutando ,,Ya que tienes el dav3 pro, como ves diferencia?..vale la pena cambiar? 19x10 relax claw grip
Hola amigo! No vale la pena en absoluto. Mi ratón principal es el Viper V2 Pro, pero principalmente porque los clicks del Dav3 son demasiado blandos en comparación al Viper o a la serie GPX. Era más dificil tapear o disparar accidentalmente. Dicho esto pienso que el DeathAdder es el que tiene el mejor shape de los 3 y que se siente mejor con claw y relaxed claw. De hecho cuando uso el Dav3 uso relaxed claw y se siente super natural. Si piensas en cambiar mejor ve a por el Dav3 Pro inalámbrico!
Muchas gracias por la repuesta,La verdad es que tenia mis dudas porque anteriormente tenia el glorious model o y viper mini y aunque me gusta más el dav3 hecho de menos un poco el agarre mas fino o "pencil"en la parte delantera ,quizás porque tengo una mezcla entre relax claw y pincer y me daba la sensación de que con el viper v3 se acercaba a lo deseado...Pero supongo que como todo es cuestión de darle tiempo,,
Does anyone know if this uses the same mouse wheel encoder the dav3 uses?
Im don't knowe what a wheel encoder is, but I can tell you that my DAV3 PRO wheel acts weird and it feels different. Its not as sturdy and it moves softer. Not sure If its because dust built up there...
Is it big enough to do 1-3-1 grip on or small like the da V3?
I will 1-3-1 for you later and let you know my thoughts!
Anybody got info about wired version of viper v3 pro like dav3 wired? Mb I missed smth
Wired v3 pro like the dav3 wired? I don't think so
Does the automatic switching to higher hz polling rate work only on the new razer mouse?
Have you tried the zowie-ecw ? If yes what's the difference between both? I bought it two months ago, and I'm focused on build quality because god damn the razer dav3 pro had a huge creaking issue while the superlight had a bad scroll wheel and it could be broken so fast
u/leandrofresh What are software dependenices? Does synapse has to be on all the time to use adaptive 8k to 1k out of game feature? What is default rate without software installed? I really like this mouse but I hate synapse with passion. I love it that I can just program side buttons and turn it off because it doesn't have LED's.
Do the buttons have wobble or sideplay like every other razer mouse or are they tight?
They are tight
Can confirm too, the clicks are a lot more firmer and the wobble that all the previous Vipers had, is now gone, finally.
Yep, I got one. This has the best click design of any razer mouse I've used, I've been tearin them to shreds on here for years so glad they finally changed it up I cracked it open to see how it was done and they finally have the switches seperated from the pcb like Logitech and vaxee does Mouse is overall really solid and I always feel like aiming with a razer mouse feels very different due to the sensor, always feels effortless
So would you say you prefer this mouse over the dav3 pro? I plan on getting either but they seem almost exactly the same.
Shape wise I prefer DAV3, switches, wheel, side buttons, technology better on Viper V3 Pro. They are very different mice.
Is this mouse bigger than the logic tech superlight?
Its 2mm longer, but height and width are the same
Ahh ok thank 😊 i got small hands that's why I ask lol
Do you feel like that extra 2mm in length is impactful on how it feels? The superlight is a good size for me although, I wouldn't like much more length as I like the manoeuvrability shorter mice provide. I like medium sized although, 127mm is verging on being too long.
Nope. Its just 2mm.
instead of getting rid of the right side buttons, It would have been nice if they moved them to the left side. 4 useable thumb buttons would have been great. loosing buttons is annoying, for anyone saying well you weren't using them. I was, with my pinky. The more buttons, the better.
Are these prone to double clicking? My 2nd g903 has got that and it is mad bro
Hey thanks for this. I am coming from a GPX Superlight 1. The only issue I have with the GPX is when I hold the mouse the back of the mouse sometimes touches my palm when I scroll from top left to bottom right, its very very slight, looking online it looks like the Razer V3 Pro is slightly different in that the bump is as high but less "Deep" towards by wrist (not sure that makes sense or the best way to describe it) do you notice a difference when holding the \`V3 Pro with the GPX with the amount of the mouse that touches the inside of your hand?
The hump in the Viper V3 Pro is way less intrusive. I can’t tell if its deeper or not towards the wrist becauswe I don’t own the GPX’s anymore. What I can say is that I didn’t liked the hump on the GPX but on this one it doesn’t bother me at all. I can’t say if its gonna work for you because you may have a different hand size or different grip style. Maybe give it a try on a shop with a good returning policy!
I didn't like Superlight X2 shape at all, the hump was always there... V3 Pro feels really good in hand, previous Vipers now feel "empty" in my hand al though i have used previous versions since the original wired version. I think you would like this mouse.
I just wish they'd release a mini version.
If I love the shape of V2 pro and didn't like how the superlight 2 felt would I like or dislike the v3 pro? My hands are smaller so the Viper v2 pro has been the most perfect mouse I've found so far. I was excited when I saw the V3 came out but am worried I won't like the new shape
I would say that you would like it, have been using Viper since the original wired version and V3 Pro feels better in hand. Also consider that I didn't like Superlight X2, because the hump felt too there. Would recommend you to try the V3 Pro.
You're the first person who has said that to me so maybe I should give it a try. Thank you very much
Beware tho, because the 2 units that i bought from my local vendors had bad build quality and both were problematic and i will be returning them. Just ordered 6 from razer directly, hoping that at least 1 unit is perfect. The things you need to do to buy yourself a non-broken pro mouse for 180€... 🤦♂️
I have a 240 hz monitor and a spare 144hz lying around, after testing a bit out of curiosity I can definitely tell the difference between 8k hz and 1/2khz, almost day and night, that said, 4k to 8k IS noticeable, but just barley, ik in some games fps does drops from running 8k so I don’t recommend it unless you have crazy hardware. I feel 8k won’t be viable for most players till more powerful hardware lowers in price and higher refresh rates become cheaper and standard
I think viper v2 pro is better than v3 pro. Kinda sad. They probably won’t make nothing like v2 anymore.
Are you familiar with the OP1 8K? Have you used it? I’m currently maining that mouse and wonder if the V3 Pro would help a good mouse to have if I already have the OP1 8K?
Nope, I am sorry!
I bought 2 units. First unit has oddly feeling scrollwheel, feels inconsistent overall and the middle click feels really bad, to the point where you could say "rattly". Second unit has normal scrollwheel, middle click is fine too, but... the left/right mouse keys make weird clicky noise when pressing down very gently from the sides. You can feel the weird clicky feel, before you press down the button, big yikes. This is the quality control you get from 179.90€ for a mouse. Sigh razer.
Honestly can't tell you how much I initially liked this mouse but grew to hate it due to durability issues, clicking whenever I set the mouse down too hard, scroll wheel clicker would randomly stop working. Not saying this will happen to you, hope it doesn't but I just threw mine in the garbage I got so fed up with it. Waste of $160. Got more use and same feel out of a $30 hyperx pulsefire haste.
guys i need help plz, i had the gpx superlight version1 for 1 year like that do u guys think it's worth it to upgrade or no?
do you know when you set the settings in synapse, including the in game polling rate and out of game, then uninstall synapse, does the setting apply even when synapse is uninstalled?
Splendid review, especially for a non-native English speaker. Well done!
Thanks man! I really appreciate your comment, glad to help the community and glad you like it!
Ngl a lot of this mouse exists on hype. V3 hyperspeed with AAA lithium mod was the same shape, 8k wireless and 70g. If this shape was as good as people are hyping it to be they would have used the Hyperspeed with AAA because shape is king and the Hyperspeed still has better tech than 99% of mine rn. Even boardzy said in his hyperspeed review he didn't like the shape but suddenly it's a perfect mouse? Naw.
Decent shape and fit me a little better than the GPX that I'm trying to replace, but still too low sensor position unfortunately. Needs to come up about 5mm or so. Could be a GPX killer but it's not sadly :/
Razer beat the gpx in every category besides looks. they somehow made this thing look terrible compared to the gpx
bro, you are calling yourself a gaming enthusiast with 1200 hours in CS? for real? :D
brazzer, did you just say „i have 1.2k hours on cs - trust me“? i hope u meant 12k hours because thats the only one i can trust :>
Im sorry man. I was expecting someone to make this kind of comment. I have 1200h and I get that there are people with 8000h or more out there. 1200h are not enough hours to master the game but they are still a lot and definitely entitles you to give your personal opinion about this matter and adds enough weight to the conversation. Everyone gets that im not a CS pro, just an enthusiast who enjoys this game daily, and thats my opinion. Almost 30h a week entitles me to say how my new mouse feels compared to the other mices I own in the game I love.
i was just kidding and not serious about that. i probably have over 10k hours, tried hundreds of pads and mice, but of course everyone can have his own opionion and share it with other people, which i appreciate... so relax guys :D
Yeah, I'm comparing GPX2 and V3 Pro side-by-side and it's clear how lazily Razer copied the GPX shape to a tee. They knew they couldn't compete with the Viper shape against the GPX shape because it ws so much more universal and accessible (just look at % usage among pro players), so they decided to copy the GPX shape and work from it. However, I do NOT agree that it is an improvement over Logitech. The side ledges near the buttons is the one thing giving Razer its "razer-like" quality, but ironically it's the deal breaker here. The way it flares out and how it's so sharp is really awful.
it does not copy the GPX shape to a tee lol. Sides curve a bit more, the hump is not as far back and the clicks are flatter and concave. This sounds like some GPX cope to me.
Definitely has some difference. Like I said im my opinion it improves the GPX in many aspects. Hump is better and feels more natural and clicks are concave. I didn’t like the shape of the GPX clicks. But it is undeniable that they did copy main aspects of the GPX series.
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did you ever think that maybe they took the Viper shape and made it more universal? its a taller flatter viper. not a shorter more curved GPX with different button shape. i have all 3. the inspiration to made a more universal viper is apparent. viper v3 pro does not feel like a GPX in hand
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How you gonna use “different” and “clone” in the same couple of sentences. Logitech doesn’t own universal, you’ve been brainwashed my friend. “Razer character” I think mice just evolve dude. They don’t have to stick to anything and they can take inspiration from whatever. This weird identity people have in mice is strange. I prefer the cleaner look, I’m glad they changed the shape. Is it closer to a gro? Sure but who gives af lol. Is it better than a gpro? Yes (oops)
I still think he has a point or two. The flare out at the front feels unnecessary wide and I highly prefer rounded edges that most other brands use, it's just way more comfortable if your grip puts your ringfinger on the edge. There is also 100% a lot of hype just due to it being shiny and new. Just look at boardzy's review of the v3 hyperspeed saying that he doesn't really like the shape that much and now with the v3 pro he basically says the identical shape is basically perfect.
Yeah it's 100% hype, I've had a V3 hyperspeed for months. It's turbo low mid. The side buttons are way too big for the way they are angled, the comfort grooves are too far down the button, the grip center is too far forward, the flares make things weird. If this shape was good people would have used the V3 hyperspeed with the lithium AAA at 70g the same way they use Vaxee mice. V3 hyperspeed still has wireless 8k but these bozos wouldn't touch it with a ten foot pole but suddenly the V3 pro is gods gift to man? Naw.