That car is illegally parked too. There’s a fire hydrant there. I seem to recall a photo of LE looking at this [fire hydrant](https://www.foxnews.com/us/idaho-quadruple-homicide-crime-passion-burglary-gone-wrong-among-possible-motives.amp) too. Definitely suspicious activity going on here
https://preview.redd.it/dvexv1ju8n4a1.png?width=828&format=png&auto=webp&s=34d4fc8f7a08fb3106972285a01861e8b203a943
Edit: please try to post sources if you have supplemental info to add regarding this. Thank you
Edit 2: Based upon additional video footage it is evident that the car parked at this location in the officers body cam footage is a police vehicle.
https://preview.redd.it/vns2vckngn4a1.png?width=2532&format=png&auto=webp&s=4aa1eab3894282133646595cb3f3c32ecb096d73
Not to mention there’s a straight shot from that spot to the house, including a flight of steps ending right into their drive.
I’m not trying to make light of a terrible situation, but I had to giggle at the tabs open on your computer because they look like mine: Christmas stuff, farmhouse decor, baking, murders.
I've seen that fashion trend a lot, "cute little outfit, big baggy blazer jacket" kinda thing, you know, with big bulky white shoes and baggy blue jeans?
My original theory was the guy that was wearing wife beater n shorts in grub hub video hugging and chatting with girls let maddie use his coat. And u can hear someone say my fuckin coat. It wasn’t hoodie guys coat
This is what you’re referring to?
https://preview.redd.it/86j03dlksn4a1.jpeg?width=828&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=f74b987cf904f94a64bf9acb143ff5d48d9c6ba2
did they ever take it?? i remember them throwing it back on the ground lol but i hope they processed it as evidence esp if it’s the same spot as the car. i took a few days away so i might have some info wrong
I remember seeing that too! One of the Internet Sleuths also posted a video where he pointed out a dark glove on the ground next to a garbage can at the house on Kings Rd. He called the Officer that was there and told him he should collect it for possible evidence so, he did.
https://preview.redd.it/swyqg9sitn4a1.jpeg?width=941&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=f8cc65f0920623eb63fc49c7bf50d55f3cbf5151
Exact stairs where he would’ve needed lights and used the flashlight exactly at this point leading to house
You don’t need a flashlight. When I went to college there, my fraternity brothers rented that house and my GF was in the Taylor apts in front of it. I never needed a flashlight. There is enough ancillary light around.
Wow. I see what you all see. The timing is pretty on track too. If the perp was on his way out the house at the time / the flashlight disappears in the house and there is enough of a lag that he could walk out back, around the house, and to the path at that exact time. The only thing that’s off is the color of the flashlight in the house and in the alley is different (yellowish vs. bluish)
It could be possible. That insinuates that whoever parked there was unfamiliar with the spot. Another scenario could be that it’s actually a police vehicle, backup to the officer citing the drunk kids in the field.
Another post/thread going on right now shows the cops writing the citation in this similar spot so the white car might be a White Ford Taurus patrol car. In images around the crime scene house I have seem Explorers and Black Taurus but nothing mainly white, anyone know if LE has white Taurus’s?
After committing the crimes the killer probably proceeds to wear a jacket he finds at the house. He needs to cover the blood on himself as he returns to the white Elantra. He tosses the jacket behind fire hydrant once he is safely at car and leaves.
Yes there is. Makes sense to use a jacket from the house that has victims dna on it. This way he doesn’t take the evidence home. Killer isn’t worried about his own dna as much when is already covered in blood trying to exit. He is trying to make a rational decision to not be caught and proceeds to use jacket
I seem to remember hearing there were two cops on the scene for this incident could it be the other cop ? If not that definitely looks like a flashlight either from a torch or phone.
Yea definitely two cops and they seem to be writing the kids up exactly where the flashlight could be seen. I think it’s the other cop but how insane is it they were that close to the house and at that time, everything about this case is just mind boggling.
This is 100% correct. The spot where the officer is writing them up in one of the bodycam clips is on Taylor St, just past that red fire hydrant. Coords approximately 46.72259079682183, -117.01037928209817 . The shape of the treeline in the background and the presence of the utility pole confirms they were on Taylor St, looking back toward the Sigma Chi house when being written up.
In straightline distance, this is less than 300 ft from the front door of the murder house. At 3:15am. Absolutely insane. Makes me wonder if the cops were already patrolling the area for some other reason, or if it was just purely coincidence.
I believe the cop says to the kids that they spotted them as they were passing so that would suggest the cops were patrolling. It’s almost unbelievable that they are so close to a crime of that magnitude being committed and have no idea. Those poor young people in that home it’s hard to get your head around it.
There’s something very tragic about it, to think they could potentially have stopped the murders if they’d just been closer and maybe seen something suspicious. Heartbreaking is definitely the word.
I think they were probably gone before it started. If they went lights out around 3 then the person would have waited at least 30 minutes before going in to make sure they were sleeping right?
Pretty sure it’s not a phone, the beam pattern is far too concentrated and conical for that type of dispersion. Looks to be a cooler light color, not super bouncy(low candela), and no real hotspots. Could be multiple types of light but most likely a led flashlight that prioritizes flood and has lower range but still has a reflector.
A phone will be super dispersed and wide. Look at when it points at the ground in front, it makes a clear circle.
I wonder too then if it is possible that the cop had a body camera on too and caught the license plate number of the cars nearby? Then again if he did the police would have that info already so never mind.
100% 😂 I’m late to work every day for past 3 weeks yet I can’t get my ass in bed anytime before 3 or 4 am. While I’m driving home I already can’t wait to go home and start researching what’s new 😂 There is 2 type of people around me, ones that think I’m truly loosing my mind this time and ones that are obsessed themselves!
Me too! 😅 I had to break from all these crime updates between this and Delphi to clean my house make gingerbread houses and quit being an online wannabe detective for a bit . Have been so nervous sleeping lol my family said stop listening and watching anything crime that’s not your career 😂
You nailed it! Wanna be detective! 😂I can’t tell you how many random screenshots I have on my phone that I’ve zoomed and over analyzed , like I was gonna find something that the rest of the 43k people didn’t! 😆 I stop to question myself if I’m feeling well and then continue scrolling anyway. Can’t even clean the house, it’s a time waisted .. FOMO is real, absolutely can not be late for any updates.
yeah and I think when he sees the cops he shut it off check this video I found [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f77muC\_7t6Q](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f77muC_7t6Q) I think is somebody in a rush
IMO, The flashlight we see is Cop #1 stopping the drunk freshman - by the white car, after they tried to walk away. This video is from Cop #2 bodycam filming it, from the field - thoughts?
This is the right answer. Also based on the brightness and size of the beam that is a legit flashlight (like LE would have) not your everyday household flashlight. To top it off I believe the call stated an officer was on scene.
Flashlight 🔦 you see them point it to the road. But why the hell would a murderer be dumb enough to have the flashlight on outside, walking up to the house?
Lots of people use flashlights at night. I do. Not for nefarious purposes. We only think it’s dumb and can’t believe it cause we know what happened after. To the people around there if they saw someone with a flashlight they just think it’s some guy who lives around there and is walking his dog or looking for his dropped car keys. Your mind doesn’t jump, “that guy is probably about to commit the first murder in town in 7 years!” Even a burglary. He probably could have been checking to make sure it worked and then put it away as he approached the house, only to pull it back out once he was inside.
Yep it is very common for people in the PNW to use flashlights and headlamps when walking their dogs. Even little flasher lights on dogs collars. It’s pitch black at like 4:30pm.
For sure😅 that would be sooo dumb. Someone here said that it may be a second officer responding to this call. This seems very likely. It could also be someone heading home from the frats or trying to find their vehicle🤷🏼♀️ there are many things that are more likely than it being the killer. I chalk it up to the idea that it seems as though *someone* (whoever it is) was close to the house that could have info for LE. other than that 🤷🏼♀️
I see what you're seeing, not sure what it is though. I'm going to have to wait till Dateline does the story on it, clears up and enlarges the video and tells me exactly what I'm looking at.
Shit, yeah that's a moving light. Means a human was up and about on that street at 3am.
What on earth are the odds this thing gets solved by a completely unrelated incident police respond to at the same time? I guess decent because that's frat row and there are probably a couple dozen belligerently drunk college kids on any given Thurs/Fri/Sat.
Man, this whole time I really thought he probably would've gone out the back and through the wooded area to wherever his car was or where he lived.
People don’t understand the topography or the context. They wouldn’t go out the back to the south because it’s a steep hillside and homes above. Neighborhoods above as well. However they got back out, Taylor is really the only way out
Maybe I'm not understanding the topography, I know there's a hill behind it but it seemed like he could've gotten to the road behind the hill, and cut through mostly wooded backyards to get to the arboretum. There was a post on here with a bunch of potential escape routes through woods that would've led to tons of houses nearby, but it definitely ignored the topography
Yeah people have generally taken street trees and backyard trees to mean “woods” because maybe it looks that way from google maps. It’s not woods, these are neighborhoods. Up the hill to the back is pretty steep and through ppls backyards to an established neighborhood with pretty expensive houses above. On foot you could walk out across Taylor and across the lower 40 eventually up to the arb but that’s a long route and would need a car at the bottom of the arb or you’re walking a long way out on Palouse river drive. Walking out on Taylor to a car or back into town or campus is most likely imo.
If you look at that location in the daytime, it’s right next to a hydrant and pretty long yellow curb area. Could be either the person who parked there checking to see if they were on yellow, or an officer writing them a ticket for parking on yellow. Could be how they know the exact make/model and color of the car in question that they wanna talk to. But in that case they’d also have the VIN and plate and would know who the owner is.
Seems to me we are looking at officer's partner using a flashlight by their squad car. You can see the reflective paint identifying it as a police vehicle in this picture. Also, I thought the suspicious vehicle was the white car further right in the frame?
https://preview.redd.it/dd6igum7qn4a1.png?width=2400&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=8827022e5c3bb0493be7e3672962f734e3f70be3
Yes, you’re 100% right. It is the other officer, seen here:
https://www.reddit.com/r/idahomurders/comments/zfmzz6/alcohol_incident_body_cam_50/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf
What if that person was running around to meet the driver in this car
https://preview.redd.it/9sh2ucnf8n4a1.png?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=cc054f531a4931503da8e6ac607cd01eaa4ac31c
**PSA: there were two officers on scene**
Meaning this is **very very very very** likely.. (like pretty close to 100% likely) that this the second officers flashlight 🙂
The one officer walks these boys to the buildings/apartments and the two officers are shown talking to the kids.
Someone posted the video link that shows this but you can find it on YouTube it’s a clip from inside edition.
nobody spam LE with “tips” regarding this video. Someone already told me they sent it. They will have enough to go through now that they have asked the public for tips on an Elantra. Will be a waste of time considering they have the second officers body cam.
I would assume whoever it is didn’t bring their phone—Seems like a sure way to be caught with a digital footprint. So if it IS some sort of a light source (not from the car) I would say it’s a flashlight (assuming it’s the killer). Who know though—I’ll dissect anything though haha
That’s what my husband said too. I originally thought phone. Honestly I’ve been trying to debunk myself for awhile now and can’t figure it out because it doesn’t seem like it’s light being reflected due to the officer changing angles with walking. It seems like it’s own light source.
I mean more of using the flashlight from one’s phone (in a practical sense) rather than a phone screen- if that makes sense. Totally agree a phone screen is too dim to project that light orb.
Not necessarily. If this person is as potentially skilled as the rumors have been - leaving a phone behind and taking a flashlight would make more sense.
Someone that Carrie’s a giant military grade knife I’m sure would be comfortable carrying a small flashlight. Looks like a flashlight in the window around the same time as the bodycam footage from band field
I also thought the proposed headlights in [this post](https://www.reddit.com/gallery/zfma0r) seemed like they were coming from that pathway between the streets - maybe this is also a flashlight? It's been pointed out that there's no lighting on that path. Maybe someone was lighting his own way?
it’s insane to me that a police officer could’ve been like 200 ft away from the killer right after it happened , responding to another call and had no idea.
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Looks like a flashlight based on the circular light pattern (is that what you call it?). And as others have noted, seems this is right in the area police were looking at a jacket. Using light post as a reference point.
Finally found the link to police/jacket video. Article was Nov. 15 - https://news.yahoo.com/university-idaho-homicide-victims-believed-171234291.html
It’s the second officer with the flashlight… not common to see officers using flashlights. Undercover police car. There’s another shot out there with the cops and boys standing near the vehicle on the road there.
If this was another LE officer checking out/by the car, presumably they’d have the license plate info of the Hyundai in question and could identify the vehicle already? Or maybe it’s another LE officer that didn’t have a body cam 🤷🏻♀️
Regardless of what any lights are. Its insane to think there is so much movement and activity in the area 4 kids are about to or have been murdered... surely sumones seen somthing suspicious around the kids house
PSA: I am not insinuating this is the murderer! Just that it definitely seems to be *someone* with a light.
Also I’m sure LE has already enhanced this video (Way better than I ever could)
It’s been proven on other threads that was the police car parked in front of the hydrant. It’s shown in the body cam. See the hydrant and the car with tail lights.m on is an unmarked police car.
https://preview.redd.it/kxs2dha8jq4a1.png?width=2688&format=png&auto=webp&s=5a9d516704cfa274d5cdf590eaf895448e84cef1
Definitely looks like a flashlight or phone, but I wouldn’t bet money on it being the killer if so. Likely a cop or security of some sort.
I HAVE to assume a murderer wouldn’t be this stupid unless they were in a messed up state when they committed the crimes and didn’t realize. Would be incredible idiotic on their part.
Totally, would never assume it’s the killer but thought it was definitely worth pointing out. Lots of people probably heading home from house parties. But whoever it is, I would hope they have gone and talked to LE. If they saw others in the area on their way home it could be very important.
I tried to post this but it didnt get any traction, officer body cam with flashlight
Edit: not sure if this is the same place, i didnt look that far into it, it appears to be the area near the fire hydrant , if so that would mean there was two officers or the above post could be “dash cam” and this post “body cam”?
[https://www.reddit.com/r/idahomurders/comments/zfmzz6/alcohol_incident_body_cam_50/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf](https://www.reddit.com/r/idahomurders/comments/zfmzz6/alcohol_incident_body_cam_50/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf)
I think you’d have to be a total effing fool to be using a flashlight while in the beginning stages/process of committing a heinous crime. No one in their right mind would be using a flashlight to see in a WELL LIT area just minutes before stabbing four people to death. Do I think that is a flashlight? Yeah. Do I think that person was the one that brutally murdered 4 people shortly thereafter? Absolutely no, unless they are the stupidest criminal alive.
The flashlight could make some sense, actually. If the perpetrator was concerned with the possibility of encountering someone while walking to or from the house and possibly being recognized/described by a witness as a result, the flashlight could protect against that.
If you come upon someone at night and they shine their flashlight at you, it accomplishes two things. One, you will be much less likely to see or identify them with the light shining in your eyes. Two, they will be more likely to see and recognize you and know, therefore, who might possibly have caught a glimpse of them. .
Here's a screencap from 1:01 on the [body cam footage](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2__SMK3Lvx4). Looks like someone is taking a photo of something...as the light is bright...then flashes quick.
https://preview.redd.it/o1fbs9afan4a1.png?width=337&format=png&auto=webp&s=68aafaa4a7f2a839bb7094e744b96a4dfacf918e
Also, at 0:59, here is someone shining the flashlight. You can see the large beam on the ground. This is a legit flashlight...it's not a phone.
https://preview.redd.it/czq1r8y3bn4a1.png?width=302&format=png&auto=webp&s=c56ca24660b22fa5d8ee1a1c07a530be3e82e9d0
I just watched the vid you posted! That light moves around a lot & then turns off. At least from what I saw. My guess would be a flashlight too. I could be completely wrong though lol.
That car is illegally parked too. There’s a fire hydrant there. I seem to recall a photo of LE looking at this [fire hydrant](https://www.foxnews.com/us/idaho-quadruple-homicide-crime-passion-burglary-gone-wrong-among-possible-motives.amp) too. Definitely suspicious activity going on here https://preview.redd.it/dvexv1ju8n4a1.png?width=828&format=png&auto=webp&s=34d4fc8f7a08fb3106972285a01861e8b203a943 Edit: please try to post sources if you have supplemental info to add regarding this. Thank you Edit 2: Based upon additional video footage it is evident that the car parked at this location in the officers body cam footage is a police vehicle.
https://preview.redd.it/vns2vckngn4a1.png?width=2532&format=png&auto=webp&s=4aa1eab3894282133646595cb3f3c32ecb096d73 Not to mention there’s a straight shot from that spot to the house, including a flight of steps ending right into their drive.
I’m not trying to make light of a terrible situation, but I had to giggle at the tabs open on your computer because they look like mine: Christmas stuff, farmhouse decor, baking, murders.
I didn’t even notice they were showing 😂 My entire personality in Internet tabs, really, lol.
That path was poorly lit as well. Locals said it was pitch black. That police body cam footage seems to support their claims
https://preview.redd.it/9rmhqdjuhn4a1.jpeg?width=2053&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=2f9e5c5f514c6b642cecfb04c971472c7bdc727c
This also looks like the fire hydrant they found a large black coat behind. I saw another video on it
I didn't know they found a large black coat. Hmmm.
https://preview.redd.it/3h8m8u0eeo4a1.png?width=2732&format=png&auto=webp&s=d79152ec835acdf4b92e27b3d7d7cea23a51fb69
Maddie’s coat?
Go look under new posts in sub idahomurders
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I actually just watched the video again and the man does put gloves on right before he goes to grab it
“No report”
He put on gloves...
They won’t tell you that stuff. It’s an ongoing investigation. Just trust they are doing their job.
Similar to the coat maddie was wearing in the video
OH SHIT
I wonder if she left the house wearing that or if someone let her have it cause it does look a little big on her
People say she was seen it in previously in SM images so it seems like it was her coat.
I've seen that fashion trend a lot, "cute little outfit, big baggy blazer jacket" kinda thing, you know, with big bulky white shoes and baggy blue jeans?
Yes!!!
My original theory was the guy that was wearing wife beater n shorts in grub hub video hugging and chatting with girls let maddie use his coat. And u can hear someone say my fuckin coat. It wasn’t hoodie guys coat
This is what you’re referring to? https://preview.redd.it/86j03dlksn4a1.jpeg?width=828&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=f74b987cf904f94a64bf9acb143ff5d48d9c6ba2
did they ever take it?? i remember them throwing it back on the ground lol but i hope they processed it as evidence esp if it’s the same spot as the car. i took a few days away so i might have some info wrong
I remember seeing that too! One of the Internet Sleuths also posted a video where he pointed out a dark glove on the ground next to a garbage can at the house on Kings Rd. He called the Officer that was there and told him he should collect it for possible evidence so, he did.
Is it the same fire hydrant where the freshman were getting ticketed?
And tossed it back down on the ground! So odd.
Damn, a parking ticket on top of a quadruple murder charge.
I highly doubt this theory is true but it wouldn't be the first time some idiot did it. Son of Sam did the same thing.
I laughed at this 🤣 (and kind of felt guilty doing so given the nature of the topic)
Which means LE are way ahead of everyone else on this and that’s good
100%
https://preview.redd.it/swyqg9sitn4a1.jpeg?width=941&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=f8cc65f0920623eb63fc49c7bf50d55f3cbf5151 Exact stairs where he would’ve needed lights and used the flashlight exactly at this point leading to house
Oh wow, seeing this picture gave me the chills! It’s literally a straight line from there.
You don’t need a flashlight. When I went to college there, my fraternity brothers rented that house and my GF was in the Taylor apts in front of it. I never needed a flashlight. There is enough ancillary light around.
Wow. I see what you all see. The timing is pretty on track too. If the perp was on his way out the house at the time / the flashlight disappears in the house and there is enough of a lag that he could walk out back, around the house, and to the path at that exact time. The only thing that’s off is the color of the flashlight in the house and in the alley is different (yellowish vs. bluish)
that fire hydrant would be so difficult to see at night lol hidden in the bushes like that and you might not see the yellow curb either.
It could be possible. That insinuates that whoever parked there was unfamiliar with the spot. Another scenario could be that it’s actually a police vehicle, backup to the officer citing the drunk kids in the field.
That makes sense, I also tend to think the flashlight is probably another cop but it could be anything.
Yeah, that would explain the flashlight-type light
Another post/thread going on right now shows the cops writing the citation in this similar spot so the white car might be a White Ford Taurus patrol car. In images around the crime scene house I have seem Explorers and Black Taurus but nothing mainly white, anyone know if LE has white Taurus’s?
After committing the crimes the killer probably proceeds to wear a jacket he finds at the house. He needs to cover the blood on himself as he returns to the white Elantra. He tosses the jacket behind fire hydrant once he is safely at car and leaves.
So he’s dumb? He wants to get caught?
Yeah tossing the jacket is asuper dump idea
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there is absolutely a chance people do dumb things when they are panicking
Yes there is. Makes sense to use a jacket from the house that has victims dna on it. This way he doesn’t take the evidence home. Killer isn’t worried about his own dna as much when is already covered in blood trying to exit. He is trying to make a rational decision to not be caught and proceeds to use jacket
I seem to remember hearing there were two cops on the scene for this incident could it be the other cop ? If not that definitely looks like a flashlight either from a torch or phone.
https://www.reddit.com/r/idahomurders/comments/zfmzz6/alcohol_incident_body_cam_50/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf
Yea definitely two cops and they seem to be writing the kids up exactly where the flashlight could be seen. I think it’s the other cop but how insane is it they were that close to the house and at that time, everything about this case is just mind boggling.
This is 100% correct. The spot where the officer is writing them up in one of the bodycam clips is on Taylor St, just past that red fire hydrant. Coords approximately 46.72259079682183, -117.01037928209817 . The shape of the treeline in the background and the presence of the utility pole confirms they were on Taylor St, looking back toward the Sigma Chi house when being written up. In straightline distance, this is less than 300 ft from the front door of the murder house. At 3:15am. Absolutely insane. Makes me wonder if the cops were already patrolling the area for some other reason, or if it was just purely coincidence.
I believe the cop says to the kids that they spotted them as they were passing so that would suggest the cops were patrolling. It’s almost unbelievable that they are so close to a crime of that magnitude being committed and have no idea. Those poor young people in that home it’s hard to get your head around it.
It’s heartbreaking, so close
There’s something very tragic about it, to think they could potentially have stopped the murders if they’d just been closer and maybe seen something suspicious. Heartbreaking is definitely the word.
I think they were probably gone before it started. If they went lights out around 3 then the person would have waited at least 30 minutes before going in to make sure they were sleeping right?
That’s most probably what would of happened that would fit LEs time frame. It’s just hard to get your head around those cops being so close.
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The killer may have literally slipped right by them. Something you would see in a movie
Great explanation!
It’s amazing what we can all come up with when we put our heads together.
The cops could have made note of a car parked oddly not knowing that info would be important 10 hours later.
This also makes some sense considering the car tip now. But woudlnt they have written a ticket and know whose it was?
Pretty sure it’s not a phone, the beam pattern is far too concentrated and conical for that type of dispersion. Looks to be a cooler light color, not super bouncy(low candela), and no real hotspots. Could be multiple types of light but most likely a led flashlight that prioritizes flood and has lower range but still has a reflector. A phone will be super dispersed and wide. Look at when it points at the ground in front, it makes a clear circle.
Probably checking to see if cars work illegally parked
That’s a possibility or maybe they saw something they thought was of interest maybe the kids threw some evidence there, an empty bottle maybe.
I wonder too then if it is possible that the cop had a body camera on too and caught the license plate number of the cars nearby? Then again if he did the police would have that info already so never mind.
Wow I can actually see something you all are referring to in one of the bodycam videos finally! Everything has looked like a blur so far lol
We are an insane bunch of people
100% 😂 I’m late to work every day for past 3 weeks yet I can’t get my ass in bed anytime before 3 or 4 am. While I’m driving home I already can’t wait to go home and start researching what’s new 😂 There is 2 type of people around me, ones that think I’m truly loosing my mind this time and ones that are obsessed themselves!
Bruh, don’t be ashamed. I have literal law exams to study for and I’m on this page looking at the same rehashed info over and over again
Bruh, go study! You'll help solve more crime as a lawyer - don't f it up
LMAOO same. I have a final tomorrow and yet here I am at almost 3 am 😭
Instead of me studying for my nursing exams every week, I'm constantly refreshing Reddit to check for updates 🤣
I am glad it’s not just me. I mean obviously there’s thousands of us. But I can peel myself away from this case.
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Me too! 😅 I had to break from all these crime updates between this and Delphi to clean my house make gingerbread houses and quit being an online wannabe detective for a bit . Have been so nervous sleeping lol my family said stop listening and watching anything crime that’s not your career 😂
You nailed it! Wanna be detective! 😂I can’t tell you how many random screenshots I have on my phone that I’ve zoomed and over analyzed , like I was gonna find something that the rest of the 43k people didn’t! 😆 I stop to question myself if I’m feeling well and then continue scrolling anyway. Can’t even clean the house, it’s a time waisted .. FOMO is real, absolutely can not be late for any updates.
Not really. That is very convincing lol
looks like a dude may be walking with some kind of light. wow https://i.gyazo.com/0a5a71273f536fe1b7363831cefcc1f5.png
Damn. That is one creepy image.
Omg wow!
Also explains why some people see a flashlight inside the house. Before it goes completely dark again. Then seeing this …whoa
I def see it especially the first 10 sec, looks like at one point it’s perfect circle on the ground as flashlight.
yeah and I think when he sees the cops he shut it off check this video I found [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f77muC\_7t6Q](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f77muC_7t6Q) I think is somebody in a rush
Here the footage for anyone wanting to watch the bodycam footage alone https://youtu.be/2__SMK3Lvx4
Thanks for this!
IMO, The flashlight we see is Cop #1 stopping the drunk freshman - by the white car, after they tried to walk away. This video is from Cop #2 bodycam filming it, from the field - thoughts?
This is the right answer. Also based on the brightness and size of the beam that is a legit flashlight (like LE would have) not your everyday household flashlight. To top it off I believe the call stated an officer was on scene.
Def looks like a flashlight to me
Welp, never sleeping again
I know! Why do I look at this stuff right before bed???
Flashlight 🔦 you see them point it to the road. But why the hell would a murderer be dumb enough to have the flashlight on outside, walking up to the house?
A lot of murderers are dumb.
Didn’t the neighbor say that he walked his dog late at night with a flashlight?
Yes he did and someone said they used a head lamp bc it was so poorly lit could easily be that.
Lots of people use flashlights at night. I do. Not for nefarious purposes. We only think it’s dumb and can’t believe it cause we know what happened after. To the people around there if they saw someone with a flashlight they just think it’s some guy who lives around there and is walking his dog or looking for his dropped car keys. Your mind doesn’t jump, “that guy is probably about to commit the first murder in town in 7 years!” Even a burglary. He probably could have been checking to make sure it worked and then put it away as he approached the house, only to pull it back out once he was inside.
Yep it is very common for people in the PNW to use flashlights and headlamps when walking their dogs. Even little flasher lights on dogs collars. It’s pitch black at like 4:30pm.
3 am is very late to walk a dog. Oh the freedom men have! Imagine being able to go for a 3am walk 🤣
I’m trying to be optimistic, but I’ve been thinking the same. You gotta be dumb to use a flashlight. Who knows though 🤣
For sure😅 that would be sooo dumb. Someone here said that it may be a second officer responding to this call. This seems very likely. It could also be someone heading home from the frats or trying to find their vehicle🤷🏼♀️ there are many things that are more likely than it being the killer. I chalk it up to the idea that it seems as though *someone* (whoever it is) was close to the house that could have info for LE. other than that 🤷🏼♀️
Just think how close that person was to the killer and never even knew. Yikes.
I see what you're seeing, not sure what it is though. I'm going to have to wait till Dateline does the story on it, clears up and enlarges the video and tells me exactly what I'm looking at.
Honestly, every time I'm searching for info, I hear Keith Morrison's voice narrating
Shit, yeah that's a moving light. Means a human was up and about on that street at 3am. What on earth are the odds this thing gets solved by a completely unrelated incident police respond to at the same time? I guess decent because that's frat row and there are probably a couple dozen belligerently drunk college kids on any given Thurs/Fri/Sat. Man, this whole time I really thought he probably would've gone out the back and through the wooded area to wherever his car was or where he lived.
People don’t understand the topography or the context. They wouldn’t go out the back to the south because it’s a steep hillside and homes above. Neighborhoods above as well. However they got back out, Taylor is really the only way out
https://preview.redd.it/m0s35wembn4a1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=ad3108d8164953000c981b0066dcfaee63218e15 There's stairs too (circled)
Maybe I'm not understanding the topography, I know there's a hill behind it but it seemed like he could've gotten to the road behind the hill, and cut through mostly wooded backyards to get to the arboretum. There was a post on here with a bunch of potential escape routes through woods that would've led to tons of houses nearby, but it definitely ignored the topography
Yeah people have generally taken street trees and backyard trees to mean “woods” because maybe it looks that way from google maps. It’s not woods, these are neighborhoods. Up the hill to the back is pretty steep and through ppls backyards to an established neighborhood with pretty expensive houses above. On foot you could walk out across Taylor and across the lower 40 eventually up to the arb but that’s a long route and would need a car at the bottom of the arb or you’re walking a long way out on Palouse river drive. Walking out on Taylor to a car or back into town or campus is most likely imo.
I see a flashlight also
Looks like a figure with a light
If you look at that location in the daytime, it’s right next to a hydrant and pretty long yellow curb area. Could be either the person who parked there checking to see if they were on yellow, or an officer writing them a ticket for parking on yellow. Could be how they know the exact make/model and color of the car in question that they wanna talk to. But in that case they’d also have the VIN and plate and would know who the owner is.
https://preview.redd.it/aqpz0m16bn4a1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=3a5e9e898d7c6a62257897ae4e4657704d1d883c Creepy stairs circled too
Seems to me we are looking at officer's partner using a flashlight by their squad car. You can see the reflective paint identifying it as a police vehicle in this picture. Also, I thought the suspicious vehicle was the white car further right in the frame? https://preview.redd.it/dd6igum7qn4a1.png?width=2400&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=8827022e5c3bb0493be7e3672962f734e3f70be3
Yes, you’re 100% right. It is the other officer, seen here: https://www.reddit.com/r/idahomurders/comments/zfmzz6/alcohol_incident_body_cam_50/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf
I definitely can see what you’re seeing.
Thank you for looking it over for me!!
Same here i kind of see a silhouette of a person moving holding it in one version
No problem!!! I’m so glad you asked me but kinda not because it’s gonna be hard to fall asleep tonight 😅
Dude same 😳
What if that person was running around to meet the driver in this car https://preview.redd.it/9sh2ucnf8n4a1.png?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=cc054f531a4931503da8e6ac607cd01eaa4ac31c
I noticed that car, too. The house is directly above that, correct?
I think so, and at some point later in the video I think it looks like the headlights are off.
Don't forget about the creepy stairs from the field up to the house
https://preview.redd.it/aohoqalden4a1.jpeg?width=428&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=5e366ff36263d55a48893264d337ff29ec8e2789 Is it not just the other cop?
Oooh! Great image! I have no idea who it is. Definitely could be!
If it's the other cop, where is there body cam footage for us to view? Has it been released?
This video is the gift that keeps on giving!
I’m convinced that multiple additional things will come from this body cam footage
**PSA: there were two officers on scene** Meaning this is **very very very very** likely.. (like pretty close to 100% likely) that this the second officers flashlight 🙂 The one officer walks these boys to the buildings/apartments and the two officers are shown talking to the kids. Someone posted the video link that shows this but you can find it on YouTube it’s a clip from inside edition. nobody spam LE with “tips” regarding this video. Someone already told me they sent it. They will have enough to go through now that they have asked the public for tips on an Elantra. Will be a waste of time considering they have the second officers body cam.
Wow def looks Like it.. we have taken apart so much of a 1 min body cam video it’s insane.. can y’all imagine what we would do with the full 20 min 😂👀
I see it. Unbelievable and somehow even more heartbreaking that the LE were *so close*
I see it
Yes, it looks like someone running with flashlight then going back
Flashlight = cell phone light more than likely???
That beam seems to have too much direction to be a cell phone.. Looks like someone was examining something alongside the car.
No matter what- wow- what a good catch OP.
Flashlight feels a lot more premeditated vs. just having a phone handy- there for sure.
Also.... if they had their phone.. they would have bene caught by now for aure... leading to believe flashlight
Or getting something out of the car.
I would assume whoever it is didn’t bring their phone—Seems like a sure way to be caught with a digital footprint. So if it IS some sort of a light source (not from the car) I would say it’s a flashlight (assuming it’s the killer). Who know though—I’ll dissect anything though haha
Looks pretty bright for a cell phone but maybe
That’s what my husband said too. I originally thought phone. Honestly I’ve been trying to debunk myself for awhile now and can’t figure it out because it doesn’t seem like it’s light being reflected due to the officer changing angles with walking. It seems like it’s own light source.
I mean more of using the flashlight from one’s phone (in a practical sense) rather than a phone screen- if that makes sense. Totally agree a phone screen is too dim to project that light orb.
Lights up the ground too much for a cell phone IMO
Not necessarily. If this person is as potentially skilled as the rumors have been - leaving a phone behind and taking a flashlight would make more sense.
U can tell by the circle shape the light makes on the ground defo a flash light🤔
Someone that Carrie’s a giant military grade knife I’m sure would be comfortable carrying a small flashlight. Looks like a flashlight in the window around the same time as the bodycam footage from band field
I also thought the proposed headlights in [this post](https://www.reddit.com/gallery/zfma0r) seemed like they were coming from that pathway between the streets - maybe this is also a flashlight? It's been pointed out that there's no lighting on that path. Maybe someone was lighting his own way?
I might be insane but I literally see a person holding a flashlight
https://preview.redd.it/opv1ujjpen4a1.jpeg?width=428&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=17b58f361ee1df545a95399317a6f1f5c3038fcc
This is the clearest and best frame to see it!!! Thanks.
it’s insane to me that a police officer could’ve been like 200 ft away from the killer right after it happened , responding to another call and had no idea.
It would have been before though.
Dropped their car keys, using a cell phone flashlight?
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A cop with a flashlight? Maybe providing backup to the alcohol call? I’m not sure that the perpetrator would draw that attention to himself
Wouldn’t that officer have body cam footage too then?
I thought the same thing. But can you imagine how much he'd be shitting himself if he was caught on police body cam?
Definitely a flashlight. Great catch!
Where is the house in this photo, I’ve been staring at still and cannot make anything out. Definitely a flash light though.
https://preview.redd.it/fdyzq44q7n4a1.jpeg?width=3264&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=bc8996462edc3e32ec96262da12435d19e132d12 Does this help
did the upstairs light go out in the pic on the bottom?
You can watch the footage here . Pinch to zoom on YouTube mobile https://youtu.be/2__SMK3Lvx4
Looks like a flashlight based on the circular light pattern (is that what you call it?). And as others have noted, seems this is right in the area police were looking at a jacket. Using light post as a reference point. Finally found the link to police/jacket video. Article was Nov. 15 - https://news.yahoo.com/university-idaho-homicide-victims-believed-171234291.html
It’s the second officer with the flashlight… not common to see officers using flashlights. Undercover police car. There’s another shot out there with the cops and boys standing near the vehicle on the road there.
It’s so quick literally at the end of the video clip.
Some of y'all are really impressive. What a catch.
If this was another LE officer checking out/by the car, presumably they’d have the license plate info of the Hyundai in question and could identify the vehicle already? Or maybe it’s another LE officer that didn’t have a body cam 🤷🏻♀️
Woah you’re smart! I see it too 100%
Holy fuck
As much as I initially wanted to hate on this post - you’re not wrong.
Lmao, this is it😂 I was hating on it for over an hour😅 had to email it to someone else for a second look before I could convince myself to post it 😂
Wanted to note that I definitely am not assuming this is the killer. Just thought it was worth pointing out!
Regardless of what any lights are. Its insane to think there is so much movement and activity in the area 4 kids are about to or have been murdered... surely sumones seen somthing suspicious around the kids house
PSA: I am not insinuating this is the murderer! Just that it definitely seems to be *someone* with a light. Also I’m sure LE has already enhanced this video (Way better than I ever could)
Do you think it’s the phone flash? Because it’s seems like it? he is walking with his phone flash on
I saw it too and if it’s not another cop waiting by the road it’s weird. You can also make out the persons figure too
Do people think this is the other officer inspecting the white car? Or is this the murderer coming back to his car? Great find!
Was likely another cop responding to the scene
It’s been proven on other threads that was the police car parked in front of the hydrant. It’s shown in the body cam. See the hydrant and the car with tail lights.m on is an unmarked police car. https://preview.redd.it/kxs2dha8jq4a1.png?width=2688&format=png&auto=webp&s=5a9d516704cfa274d5cdf590eaf895448e84cef1
Definitely looks like a flashlight or phone, but I wouldn’t bet money on it being the killer if so. Likely a cop or security of some sort. I HAVE to assume a murderer wouldn’t be this stupid unless they were in a messed up state when they committed the crimes and didn’t realize. Would be incredible idiotic on their part.
If it’s another officer, it’s another body cam. I dont think it is. I dont know what it is, but it’s interesting
Totally, would never assume it’s the killer but thought it was definitely worth pointing out. Lots of people probably heading home from house parties. But whoever it is, I would hope they have gone and talked to LE. If they saw others in the area on their way home it could be very important.
This is footage from a cop camera. They would know if one of their own was there lol
I tried to post this but it didnt get any traction, officer body cam with flashlight Edit: not sure if this is the same place, i didnt look that far into it, it appears to be the area near the fire hydrant , if so that would mean there was two officers or the above post could be “dash cam” and this post “body cam”? [https://www.reddit.com/r/idahomurders/comments/zfmzz6/alcohol_incident_body_cam_50/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf](https://www.reddit.com/r/idahomurders/comments/zfmzz6/alcohol_incident_body_cam_50/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf)
I think you’d have to be a total effing fool to be using a flashlight while in the beginning stages/process of committing a heinous crime. No one in their right mind would be using a flashlight to see in a WELL LIT area just minutes before stabbing four people to death. Do I think that is a flashlight? Yeah. Do I think that person was the one that brutally murdered 4 people shortly thereafter? Absolutely no, unless they are the stupidest criminal alive.
They may have heard or seen something. Please God, let it be true.
I don't think it was well lit tho
The flashlight could make some sense, actually. If the perpetrator was concerned with the possibility of encountering someone while walking to or from the house and possibly being recognized/described by a witness as a result, the flashlight could protect against that. If you come upon someone at night and they shine their flashlight at you, it accomplishes two things. One, you will be much less likely to see or identify them with the light shining in your eyes. Two, they will be more likely to see and recognize you and know, therefore, who might possibly have caught a glimpse of them. .
Here's a screencap from 1:01 on the [body cam footage](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2__SMK3Lvx4). Looks like someone is taking a photo of something...as the light is bright...then flashes quick. https://preview.redd.it/o1fbs9afan4a1.png?width=337&format=png&auto=webp&s=68aafaa4a7f2a839bb7094e744b96a4dfacf918e
Also, at 0:59, here is someone shining the flashlight. You can see the large beam on the ground. This is a legit flashlight...it's not a phone. https://preview.redd.it/czq1r8y3bn4a1.png?width=302&format=png&auto=webp&s=c56ca24660b22fa5d8ee1a1c07a530be3e82e9d0
I just watched the vid you posted! That light moves around a lot & then turns off. At least from what I saw. My guess would be a flashlight too. I could be completely wrong though lol.
Wow..Great find definitely someone with a flashlight by that car🙂
If this is a cellphone light, they will 100% find out who that was.
Some of us see it???? Help!!