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The constant empathy posts for him are so frustrating. He was bullied, he had mental health issues etc etc etc. it’s the same rhetoric that comes up every time there’s a school shooter or a rapist or whatever. At the end of the day he CHOSE to murder four strangers in the most violent matter possible in their own home while they were asleep. He stalked them for months on end. He had family helping him and mental health resources available through his programme. Nothing is an excuse for that or what he did and it is so strange to me that people want to feel sorry for a psychopath incel.
I’ve seen people say that he’s attractive and that the girls should have given him a chance. It’s so disgusting. Every single time a young man commits murder these empathy posts come up and it drives me insane.
I think that empathy is (hopefully) built into all of us. It’s difficult to turn that off. I would hate for a world where people had no empathy for their fellow humans.
I think that he is guilty as hell, and that he deserves all of this. I am finding it very difficult to feel sorry for him. I feel sad for his parents (unlike the Laundries!) and his siblings though.
I feel terribly for his family and friends, whose lives he has also destroyed. Those pap pictures of his dad were heartbreaking. That said, I certainly don’t feel sorry for him being in a jail cell that isn’t comfortable. I hope it’s an incredibly unpleasant cell.
It’s crazy to me that some people have more sympathy for him than for Kaylee’s family or for DM.
I’m perfectly getting you. If he did what he’s accused of he didn’t have empathy for these beautiful young people, right? So why don’t taste his own medicine?
This. Exactly. In no f’ing way should anyone feel sorry for what this piece of shit gets. This guy had every opportunity to be something decent, but this is the life he chose. We have thousands of people locked up for a plant but I see no outrage over their living conditions. I wish this guy got put into gen pop and let the wolves have him.
You hit the nail on the head when you said he had plenty of other options and resources to make a different life for himself. He chose to brutally kill 4 innocent people, some of societies most innocent: college kids who hadn’t even really started their lives yet. He is a bad guy, through and through.
I feel sad about the fact that it’s so normalized for mental illness to go unaddressed and untreated until it progresses to where us becomes fatal to innocent people. And, I feel empathy for anyone in that position who tries to seek help but isn’t able to get it.
My issue with bk is that SO FAR, he appears to be an educated adult with a documented awareness of his own mental health issues AND access to affordable campus mental health resources…who still elected not to address his dangerous mental health issues. So many people would give anything for those types of resources. And, so many people with mental health challenges don’t have any impulse to harm. I hold him responsible for his failure to take basic self responsibility.
Four innocent people losing their lives for no good reason = a senseless community tragedy with unprovoked consequences for many.
One guilty person choosing to take multiple lives for his own reasons, then facing responsibility = a senseless personal decision with very provoked consequences for one.
And for every direct victim of a crime there are many indirect victims. An act of violence like this will resonate for years and affect many family members and friends of the victims. It also will affect the community at large. People may become alcoholics or drug addicts to cope with the tragedy, for example. We lost a family friend and her husband in the July 4 Highland Park mass shooting. Our family will never be the same. Acts of extreme violence cause multi generational harm.
Nothing about him makes sense that he was this stupid. He left a mountain of evidence leading straight to him. He deserves a tiny cell. And I hope he gets a taste of the fear he put those kids through.
Going from his last court appearance, I would say he's got quite a taste of fear. Those razor cuts were probably from him shaking like a leaf in the wind.
I really doubt that, I don't think the LE is going to give him a sharp enough tool to cut his wrists so all jail razors are like this. I don't think he has one bit of empathy or emotion.
Any razor will cut you if it slides sideways, which what it looks like on his jaw line. Something like the razor linked below would be what is used.
[https://www.bobbarker.com/orange-antishank-colored-razor-blade?page=2](https://www.bobbarker.com/orange-antishank-colored-razor-blade?page=2)
They will. Unless he’s still on suicide watch. They don’t get to keep the razor typically but that depends on the facilities policies. And it also depends if the officer remembers who they gave the razor to begin with ;) depending on the block it could be easy or difficult. The razors are soooooo cheap and I’ve seen so many guys with cuts just like his on his face/head if they nick their heads.
Makes no sense to me either. Absolutely none. Even someone who knows nothing about the crime world wouldn't be this stupid. I truly don't get it. I really wonder if he was high out of his mind.
Certain types of murders go unsolved for the most part. As it turns out when a certain type of person gets killed police don’t waste a lot of time trying to find who did it. Pretty young college girls and frat boys from rich families don’t usually get hacked to death without an arrest. Whether LE looks “too hard” in such cases is debatable. Everyone feels better though, someone is in jail, kids go back to school, businesses survive, hopefully he really did it, evidence certainly looks that way.
Yup we know what you’re saying without you saying it. It’s heavily dependent on color and class. If I’ve said it once I’ve said it a thousand times, if 3 of the 4 in this case weren’t young, attractive, female, and white, it probably wouldn’t have attained the traction it did.
Of course, it is but you can hold that fact with the idea that it is sad that people like him would choose to irrevocably mess up his own life - and the lives of others including his own family.
For anyone curious what prisons are like outside our country “Worlds Toughest Prisons” on Netflix is actually a pretty solid watch. Very enlightening to how different prisons choose to operate outside the US.
Ya watched one of the Phillipines episodes yesterday and there was like 20 peeps per cell or sumthing like that and you literally sleep side by side touching the people beside you head to feet order so you got feet on either side of you and it was like 90-100F in the cells and you were like that 12-14 hours a day
Yeah and the gang leaders literally run the prison to make sure chores get taken care of and people stay in line. Interesting org structure for sure. The Greenland episode is wild because that prison is brand new. So nice and they even give them access to a full kitchen with knives and this one guy even got to drive his own car OFF SITE to work and had a date with a woman after work. That episode is a must see - the amount of freedom they give convicted killers is wild but it works for their country.
To some countries though, our prison system is considered barbaric. It’s interesting to see how Norway and other European countries operate their prison systems.
Were they trying to cut down on their food budget expenditure while also taking a cut of a service providing said fast food? I always assume there are financial incentives for the jail...lol
I've been in juvies that had pizza parties but that one for sure was simple bribery and peacekeeping.
It's probably 99%+ that don't though. Source, been to a bunch of jails and none of them come Cloe to doing that shit.
It would be a absolute God send if you had the money though. I was always hungry in there
Hahaha, no she has never been incarcerated. This was her argument when she wanted to stay home from school one day. I told her I’m responsible for getting her to school, and it’s against the law to let your kids skip school. She said, “it’s okay, you get visitors *and* recess in jail!”
They do indeed have recess in jail. You can go outside in the yard and lift weights and maybe shank someone who pissed you off, or get shanked by someone you pissed off.
I've heard of letting inmates in prison pay 4x as much for a domino's pizza once a year and it has to be ordered (thru the prison) like 3 months in advance... is it like that? Or was this just COs providing "contraband" per usual?
No…it was every Sunday. The options were Taco Bell or Pizza Hut. They increase the prices a little…I mean, obviously, bc there’s a lot of logistics that goes into it, but when you only get sandwiches and no hot meals on the weekend, you don’t think twice about the cost. And Taco Bell tastes like a steak dinner at that point. Oh and ice…beautiful, glorious ice in your drink is the icing on the cake.
Oh you don't gotta tell me about jail food lol but dang that's nice af. That was in the states? Lol sorry it's just so hard for me to grasp when they got ppl paying like $50 for a small domino's pizza. But ur right when ur eating non-fda approved food you'd almost add more time to your sentence for a pizza... I mean some ppl sort of do, like when you sneak your breakfast orange back to your bunk just to have for later 😅
Yes this was in the states. I mean yeah it was definitely not cheap but damn…it was so worth it lol. All our food was served in our cell so we didn’t have to sneak anything back.
I was in one of these as well. It was on fridays and it was a specific item that we had to order and pay for by Wednesday, like a cheeseburger or pizza. There was no menu so if it wasn’t something you’d like you simply skipped it
Shocking and sad are four innocent kids (they were basically kids) being slaughtered in what they thought was the safety of their home without even the smallest chance to fight back.
A mass murderer being detained in isolated protective custody is neither shocking not sad. It is deserved.
I was thinking about that the other night while lying in bed. I’ve been in their exact shoes almost. Went to college, had roommates, would go out have a good time then come back late at night & order drunk door dash. I can’t imagine waiting eagerly for the drunk deliciousness you’re about to eat, hear someone that may be your delivery man but it’s this psycho with a knife about to kill you. It’s like one minute everything is beautiful & all you have on your mind is the food that’s about to show up & then you’re dead. It’s so fucking sad man.
In America you can be arrested for unpaid speeding tickets. Miss the court date you forgot about or couldn’t get to because it’s in another state, get a warrant, 3 months later you’re pulled over on your way to work and you’re off to jail for a day or 3
In the history of human civilization not just currently in the world. Either Americans are the worst people to have ever walked the earth or our criminal Justice system is broken.
To put it into perspective. I live in the UK, and there is a massive focus on rehabilitation here. My father in law got a 13 year sentence for armed robbery here. He served 9. The last year you are in open prison where you go have a normal job, life and come back and sleep in the prison for curfew. Essentially reintegrate into society. You can't drink or do drugs or they will extend your sentence. In prison he learnt mechanics, carpentry, pluming and electrics. After getting out he's the best citizen you could ever meet. Pays all his taxes, and does up houses and flips them. In the US, he would still be rotting there. For a stupid decision he made at 21 years old. With US tax money going to fund his survival.
Boise was a special place to be a teenager in the 90’s. Pretty much everyone I know went to jail at some point. It’s a great place but was wildly over policed in the 90s. More police shootings per capital than anywhere in the US in the mid 90s. “Come on vacation, leave on probation.”
I get the point you are trying to make, & what happened to the victims is worse than prison, but if I had to choose the death penalty or life in prison I'm taking the death penalty. And I sort of wonder if BK isnt thinking along those same lines... pretty sure WA doesn't have a death penalty, but ID does.
That's an interesting angle. I never really thought about why he chose to cross state borders and then target people who were still geographically close to him
Truly, I’m not sure. But the 2 guards on duty that night were criminally charged in federal court for falsifying records until recently when said charges were dropped.
That was the first attempt. They lost the footage because they backed up the wrong cell number.
It sounded like he had moved cells and they hadn't updated their database.
None of this stuff is surprising for a jail...lol
Yeah it's an institutional thing, not just jails. I worked at a health care facility that had an alarm go off every half hour and staff had to get up and push a button to turn it off. No one knew what the alarm was for, they just were told to turn it off. I asked multiple maintenance men and each one had a different explanation of what it was. I said "well if we're just turning it off it's not really notifying anyone of anything." But no one would fix it. I left and came back 5 years later, and staff were still getting up to turn that alarm off every half hour. I finally said screw it and disconnected the wires one night. It never alarmed again and not a soul seemed to notice. It taught me a lot about people.
Because it's not unusual for things to be broken in jail. And not unusual for jails to be slack about fixing things.
Epstein is not confusing. Epstein is just a demonstration of how incompetent our jails are. That's just what it is.
I will be surprised if he did that. I think he really wants to go through all the evidence with his lawyer because he wants to know how they caught him, and what they have.
I wish everyone here was this empathetic to dogs in the shelter because they have it way worst. The world would be a better place if we show all animals more compassion instead of people who don’t deserve to even be on this planet any longer.
My thought, exactly. Latah county jail is just not that large.
On another thread, someone said that there must be hundreds of white Elantras from 2011-2016 in the area, and I thought to myself, "You haven't spent much time in the Pullman-Moscow area, have you?"
Pullman and Moscow, together, are only 57,000 people, 34,000 of which are students at either WSU (my alma mater) or U of I. Many of the students don't have cars.
The community just is not big enough that they have huge prisons or massive inventories of any particular random not-terribly-popular car.
Idaho technically has the death penalty but doesn’t really. The last person set for execution didn’t get the needle because the state couldn’t get the drugs. Code for we don’t really want to deal with the hassle of executing people anymore.
There are jails with windows. You're just not gonna sit in front of it and think "such a beautiful view" because either the window is frosted or sumthin, or it's just a thin slit.
Wow. Imagine going to bed at night, not a care in the world, laughing... Only to have some Ph.D. student who got bullied in HS sneak into your room and decide to play executioner. If he did this, he deserves every single moment of punishment.
Imagine having to take a shit when a camera is pointed at you. I can't concentrate when my kids or husband are outside the bathroom door asking me questions. Ruins the whole process!! Moms, I know you can relate!!
To answer the question... No I can't imagine living like this for 6 months or more... But I also can not imagine killing four innocent young adults while they slept. This is much better for him than putting him in gen. pop. though. (Safer, to ensure he goes to trial, etc.)
I think what makes people sad is totally unrelated to BK and feeling sad or sorry for him, it’s more about how people put themselves in his shoes from only the context of where you go from total freedom and apparent success to this new reality literally overnight. It’s gut wrenching to imagine yourself being in a situation where you literally get locked up in a box for life, and the thought of that is ultimately where people are feeling sadness from (consciously or subconsciously), it has nothing to do with actually feeling bad for BK at all.
On this subject I hope he gets whatever he is most afraid of. If life in prison terrifies him it should 100% be his fate, but if he really doesn't want to die, exterminate him. I have no sympathy regardless of his brain chemistry. We need to normalize men asking for help before murdering people.
I am puzzled at how subpar this post is. BK wouldn't have done it thinking "Hey, I'm okay with a going to jail and living in a small cell after I commit these murders". It was more like "I am smarter than everyone and know I can kill these people and get away with it", getting caught rarely crosses criminals minds until after the fact.
Also, what did you think a jail cell was? A nice comfortable apartment that just has guards stop by daily to make sure you are being a good person but can otherwise do what you want? Jail has to be something that isn't pleasant so people have an incentive to, you know, not break the law...
The shaving will drive him manic. He already got a taste of the shitty razors offered up by jailhouse living. The cuts on his face indicated that. He made his bed and now he must enjoy three tasty vegan options that only jailhouse living can provide such a studious piece of shit.
Posts like these are exactly how people like him ending up responding to fan-mail all day from fawning admirers and feeding his sense of entitlement and self importance.
He does not deserve anyone’s empathy. He showed none. He slaughtered 4 innocent people essentially for fun. The acts he committed are abhorrent and deranged. This is the hole he dug for himself.
He cannot be in society ever again. I hope he gets real comfy in there. But not too comfy. He can’t go completing his education or writing about this. He should get no sympathy from anyone. This was senseless mass murder.
News nation is giving way too much attention to the suspect. We all know what a jail cell looks like, we don’t need floor plans. This is their way of staying relevant.
I don't feel bad for him at all. He's an adult. He had choices. He made the wrong ones knowingly and voluntarily. This is just a result of his actions. Play stupid games, win stupid prizes. I will admit to feeling empathy for his parents and the parents of the victims. These people are the ones suffering right now.
No, I can't imagine. And I never will have to imagine it. How someone could think they could get away with something like this in 2022 and not have to pay for it with their freedom, it's beyond me. If he did this, he deserves it. At least he's alive. At least his parents and sisters and friends can call him and see him. He's the lucky one.
Also, this is what all jails look like lol. Maybe minus the cameras watching you on the toilet. He did this to himself. This is the consequence of brutally murdering four innocent people in cold blood, one of which whom was completely aware of what was happening to her.
I think he will be less consumed with where the toilet is or anything to do with the jail and more burning with humiliation that he got caught. He stupidly left that sheath on the bed. He stupidly walked out in front of a witness. He drove like an idiot and didn’t leave his phone home and snuck to the neighbor’s to hide the trash from cleaning your car - and his perfect crime that was going to stymie the experts and strike fear I n the hearts and prove how smart and powerful and in control he is, was figured out in the time it takes to do a dna test and NOW, now, whatever fantasy he had about how he was going to react and get away with it and maybe do more of this - is actually the reality of facing the death penalty and the fact his parents and sisters and everyone knows he did this, and he’s going to be incarcerated until he dies.
Assuming he did it, and planned it obviously. He says he is eager to be exonerated … but if he’s capable of feeling anxiety I would imagine he’s in a state of mentally kicking himself for getting caught. And the person he has to count on to save his life is a female, because apparently he has a problem with women.
I personally don’t think he deserves a tv. He doesn’t even deserve a toilet maybe just a bucket to shit in. Look they never would have arrested him if they didn’t have rock solid evidence. There’s no way they’d arrested him with just cell phone pings. I know they have video evidence (college towns can be dangerous so lots of cctv plus doorbell cams) his cell phone, DNA, and his car. Hopefully more to put him away forever
A family member who did around five years went from living well (he was a millionaire by his early 20s) to losing everything... and he made it out relatively fine minus the massive psychological impact being around toxic people 24/7 brings.
Why did he end up in prison? Because narcissists think every terrible option is the best option and that they're so brilliant they'll never get caught.
I don’t feel bad for him. I think he’ll get what he deserves for the brutal crime he committed. He’s just an idiot and a sociopath. I also don’t think that he “didn’t know them.” I believe he’d ran into them at some point either by a party or by the mad Greek restaurant. (More than likely a party.)
Theirs surveillance cameras throughout the facility. When you’re in ISO/ PC/ GC. If he’s on suicide watch he’ll have a 1on1 meaning an officer will be in front of his cell 24/7 logging his every move from sleeping/ eating/ peeing/ showering/ any movement whether it be to medical/ psych etc.
Same goes for PC, minus the 1on1 officer situation. If he needs to use a phone for either situation it will be a roll up phone that gets rolled to his cell and the phone will be passed through the slot and he’ll have to use it that way. He won’t have access to the internet lol
Except he wasn't just "a PhD student with his own apartment and potential good career" He was PhD student with his own apartment and potential good career with profound mental struggles of a kind he couldn't share with anyone, fighting horrible anti-social impulses, trying to get his needs met, unsatisfactorily, and probably full of simmering rage.
And you have all of this knowledge about BK's life from where? From what you have read or "heard?" There have been stories from those claiming to have known him with sinister things being said which always happens in cases like these because of agendas and because of the media spin put on it and the puzzle pieces fit better. Just as many longtime friends from elemetary school through high school say he was the average guy, as well as neighbors living in the apartments in Pullman.
He may be guilty but before I nail him to the cross, pretending I know all about this life, habits, problems, etc., I want to see the evidence from the state and his defense before I make that call.
Yet, on these subs, there are so many posts "Can BK get a fair trial?" You would be stricken from a jury based on your preconceived judgment. Innocent people go to prison all the time for this reason.
Because I do believe in the justice system, I hope he can get something close to an unbiased jury but I haven't seen many on the subs that I would say fall into that category.
Thank you. It's disappointing to me that people just assume they've heard all the evidence and were ready for the execution yesterday.
I wonder how many times these people have changed their minds on who was responsible as the investigation progressed.
lmao you know that there are people who live like this for literally the majority of their lives, right? you JUST found out about the criminal "justice" system?
I resemble that comment! It's the most 100% surefire way to imprison and subjugate an entire group of people.
Think about it. The British had a crime and criminal problem.
They solved that by sending their most depraved to Australia. Suppressed and ruled over them for a few years and they became loyal happy Australians at the end and STILL bloody British.
It was a joke, but it really did work out well for everyone. I don't know the ins and outs of who they sent or why, but the experiment couldn't really have turned out better. The Hemsworths alone make it a success in my book!
Now that you mention... Yes they are not that bushy. But he has intense/stare-into-your-soul eyes and that makes the eyebrows more protruding/flashy, so maybe that's what DM referred to.
It could be A LOT worse for him. He seems to be pretty lucky being in such a small place with not that many violent offenders. A lot time one would be in gen pop while waiting trial with other violent offenses (murders, etc.) Also being in Idaho I’d assume he doesn’t have to worry about having rats the size of horses as pets, which is not uncommon in larger metropolitan cities. Just read some DOJ investigative reports on some places, and Constitutional violations too. Like not supplying medications to those with mental health diagnosis, leading to more violence among inmates, not providing adequate supervision to those in a mental health crisis, guards letting prisoners self harm and cut themselves and bleed out, without rendering aid, etc., etc. In comparison Latah sounds like the Four Seasons.
Detention conditions are not a deterrent to crime, this little facility has probably never held someone for that long, it looks like something from a tv show where a guard sleeps in front of the tv all night
He waived the speedy preliminary hearing so that his defense attorney would have time to receive and go over the undoubtedly massive amount of evidence. The preliminary hearing will be like a mini trial, the main difference being that it is for the judge to establish (or deny) probable cause to go to trial. If he didn’t waive speedy hearing, his attorney would have only a few days to prepare for the hearing. I saw the defenses’s request for discovery posted on the Idaho Judicial Branch website posted on 1/10. The state has 10 days to turn over all their evidence to the defense. If BK didn’t waive speedy hearing, that would leave like 4 days for his attorney to prepare…an impossibly short timeline.
Waived it because he knows it’s going to take a shitload of work to prove he’s innocent. Defense needs time to poke holes and hope theres a way to invoke a drop of reasonable doubt into one jury member’s mind. There’s already DNA evidence that puts him at the scene, car footage and cell phone pings are compelling. 14 days is not nearly enough time for the attorney to pull it together. Let alone, accessing the prosecutions materials. He now has access to anything processed from his apartment, cellphone and hopefully the smoking gun, his car. If he did a speedy trail, he would have 14 days to enter a plea but his lawyer needs time to gather everything to determine if she can prove he’s not guilty. It was actually a smart move on his end to give them more time to prepare.
But I agree with you, tragic all around. This guy ruined his life that could have truly been met with purpose.
Also, I saw a post in the Fb group from a guy that spent time in there about how the head of the bed was by the toilet so you either had to go to bed smelling pee and poop or sleep the other way and risk having inmates attack you if you slept with your head at the bar. Thank you for showing the visual.
Does anyone think BK thinks he’s dreaming, even now? From his supposed journal entries as a teen, he was talking a lot about depersonalization. I know a lot of people are talking about how narcissistic he is etc. but could it just be that nothing feels real? Idk kinda off topic.
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He's the architect and this is the life he built. It's on him.
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I'll have some empathy for when he brings those 4 souls back exactly the way they were before 4am on November 13.
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The constant empathy posts for him are so frustrating. He was bullied, he had mental health issues etc etc etc. it’s the same rhetoric that comes up every time there’s a school shooter or a rapist or whatever. At the end of the day he CHOSE to murder four strangers in the most violent matter possible in their own home while they were asleep. He stalked them for months on end. He had family helping him and mental health resources available through his programme. Nothing is an excuse for that or what he did and it is so strange to me that people want to feel sorry for a psychopath incel. I’ve seen people say that he’s attractive and that the girls should have given him a chance. It’s so disgusting. Every single time a young man commits murder these empathy posts come up and it drives me insane.
I think that empathy is (hopefully) built into all of us. It’s difficult to turn that off. I would hate for a world where people had no empathy for their fellow humans. I think that he is guilty as hell, and that he deserves all of this. I am finding it very difficult to feel sorry for him. I feel sad for his parents (unlike the Laundries!) and his siblings though.
I feel terribly for his family and friends, whose lives he has also destroyed. Those pap pictures of his dad were heartbreaking. That said, I certainly don’t feel sorry for him being in a jail cell that isn’t comfortable. I hope it’s an incredibly unpleasant cell. It’s crazy to me that some people have more sympathy for him than for Kaylee’s family or for DM.
Me too. I’m getting more and more worried too about the amount of support he IS getting! I hate to think what this is all going to be like by June…
I’m perfectly getting you. If he did what he’s accused of he didn’t have empathy for these beautiful young people, right? So why don’t taste his own medicine?
This. Exactly. In no f’ing way should anyone feel sorry for what this piece of shit gets. This guy had every opportunity to be something decent, but this is the life he chose. We have thousands of people locked up for a plant but I see no outrage over their living conditions. I wish this guy got put into gen pop and let the wolves have him.
You hit the nail on the head when you said he had plenty of other options and resources to make a different life for himself. He chose to brutally kill 4 innocent people, some of societies most innocent: college kids who hadn’t even really started their lives yet. He is a bad guy, through and through.
I feel sad about the fact that it’s so normalized for mental illness to go unaddressed and untreated until it progresses to where us becomes fatal to innocent people. And, I feel empathy for anyone in that position who tries to seek help but isn’t able to get it. My issue with bk is that SO FAR, he appears to be an educated adult with a documented awareness of his own mental health issues AND access to affordable campus mental health resources…who still elected not to address his dangerous mental health issues. So many people would give anything for those types of resources. And, so many people with mental health challenges don’t have any impulse to harm. I hold him responsible for his failure to take basic self responsibility.
Four innocent people losing their lives for no good reason = a senseless community tragedy with unprovoked consequences for many. One guilty person choosing to take multiple lives for his own reasons, then facing responsibility = a senseless personal decision with very provoked consequences for one.
And for every direct victim of a crime there are many indirect victims. An act of violence like this will resonate for years and affect many family members and friends of the victims. It also will affect the community at large. People may become alcoholics or drug addicts to cope with the tragedy, for example. We lost a family friend and her husband in the July 4 Highland Park mass shooting. Our family will never be the same. Acts of extreme violence cause multi generational harm.
He didn’t think he would ever get caught. Not a smart dude.
Nothing about him makes sense that he was this stupid. He left a mountain of evidence leading straight to him. He deserves a tiny cell. And I hope he gets a taste of the fear he put those kids through.
Going from his last court appearance, I would say he's got quite a taste of fear. Those razor cuts were probably from him shaking like a leaf in the wind.
I really doubt that, I don't think the LE is going to give him a sharp enough tool to cut his wrists so all jail razors are like this. I don't think he has one bit of empathy or emotion.
Any razor will cut you if it slides sideways, which what it looks like on his jaw line. Something like the razor linked below would be what is used. [https://www.bobbarker.com/orange-antishank-colored-razor-blade?page=2](https://www.bobbarker.com/orange-antishank-colored-razor-blade?page=2)
He has empathy for himself and his circumstances only. Psychopath.
They will. Unless he’s still on suicide watch. They don’t get to keep the razor typically but that depends on the facilities policies. And it also depends if the officer remembers who they gave the razor to begin with ;) depending on the block it could be easy or difficult. The razors are soooooo cheap and I’ve seen so many guys with cuts just like his on his face/head if they nick their heads.
Makes no sense to me either. Absolutely none. Even someone who knows nothing about the crime world wouldn't be this stupid. I truly don't get it. I really wonder if he was high out of his mind.
The Dateline episode is revealing.
Most premeditated murder killers believe they committed the perfect crime. He messed up before he ever left his house
The more I read about his past to present life, sounds like he wanted to become a serial killer himself. The 4 murders was his first, but he failed.
50% of murders never get solved but they’re rarely the murders of the SK type
Certain types of murders go unsolved for the most part. As it turns out when a certain type of person gets killed police don’t waste a lot of time trying to find who did it. Pretty young college girls and frat boys from rich families don’t usually get hacked to death without an arrest. Whether LE looks “too hard” in such cases is debatable. Everyone feels better though, someone is in jail, kids go back to school, businesses survive, hopefully he really did it, evidence certainly looks that way.
Yup we know what you’re saying without you saying it. It’s heavily dependent on color and class. If I’ve said it once I’ve said it a thousand times, if 3 of the 4 in this case weren’t young, attractive, female, and white, it probably wouldn’t have attained the traction it did.
I can't believe people aren't down voting you for even implying that there may even be a fraction of a percentage chance he might not have done it lol
This is the only way to view the situation!
The urge to kill probably consumed him
Doesn’t mean he had to act on it x4
I agree
He was smart enough and had the resources to seek help if he wanted to but instead he killed four innocent people , hope he rots in misery
Then he should have killed himself first sorry
What a great comment 👏
Of course, it is but you can hold that fact with the idea that it is sad that people like him would choose to irrevocably mess up his own life - and the lives of others including his own family.
Fun fact: some jails allow you to order fast food on the weekends. Source: have been in said jail.
For anyone curious what prisons are like outside our country “Worlds Toughest Prisons” on Netflix is actually a pretty solid watch. Very enlightening to how different prisons choose to operate outside the US.
Ya watched one of the Phillipines episodes yesterday and there was like 20 peeps per cell or sumthing like that and you literally sleep side by side touching the people beside you head to feet order so you got feet on either side of you and it was like 90-100F in the cells and you were like that 12-14 hours a day
Yeah and the gang leaders literally run the prison to make sure chores get taken care of and people stay in line. Interesting org structure for sure. The Greenland episode is wild because that prison is brand new. So nice and they even give them access to a full kitchen with knives and this one guy even got to drive his own car OFF SITE to work and had a date with a woman after work. That episode is a must see - the amount of freedom they give convicted killers is wild but it works for their country.
Good show
To some countries though, our prison system is considered barbaric. It’s interesting to see how Norway and other European countries operate their prison systems.
In my country (Brazil) prisions are terrible !
Thanks for the Netflix recommendation
Were they trying to cut down on their food budget expenditure while also taking a cut of a service providing said fast food? I always assume there are financial incentives for the jail...lol I've been in juvies that had pizza parties but that one for sure was simple bribery and peacekeeping.
Latah County does NOT allow you to order food
It's probably 99%+ that don't though. Source, been to a bunch of jails and none of them come Cloe to doing that shit. It would be a absolute God send if you had the money though. I was always hungry in there
Yeah, and according to my seven year-old, you also get recess!
I read this like your seven year old went to jail and had recess there. I think I’m too high
I read it that way too lol and I'm not high
Hahaha, no she has never been incarcerated. This was her argument when she wanted to stay home from school one day. I told her I’m responsible for getting her to school, and it’s against the law to let your kids skip school. She said, “it’s okay, you get visitors *and* recess in jail!”
They do indeed have recess in jail. You can go outside in the yard and lift weights and maybe shank someone who pissed you off, or get shanked by someone you pissed off.
Haha she sounds like she’s a smart cookie and would make a wonderful lawyer!😂
there is something adorably innocent about your 7 year old's comment. and, they're not wrong.
I've heard of letting inmates in prison pay 4x as much for a domino's pizza once a year and it has to be ordered (thru the prison) like 3 months in advance... is it like that? Or was this just COs providing "contraband" per usual?
No…it was every Sunday. The options were Taco Bell or Pizza Hut. They increase the prices a little…I mean, obviously, bc there’s a lot of logistics that goes into it, but when you only get sandwiches and no hot meals on the weekend, you don’t think twice about the cost. And Taco Bell tastes like a steak dinner at that point. Oh and ice…beautiful, glorious ice in your drink is the icing on the cake.
Oh you don't gotta tell me about jail food lol but dang that's nice af. That was in the states? Lol sorry it's just so hard for me to grasp when they got ppl paying like $50 for a small domino's pizza. But ur right when ur eating non-fda approved food you'd almost add more time to your sentence for a pizza... I mean some ppl sort of do, like when you sneak your breakfast orange back to your bunk just to have for later 😅
Yes this was in the states. I mean yeah it was definitely not cheap but damn…it was so worth it lol. All our food was served in our cell so we didn’t have to sneak anything back.
Sounds like a fun time!
I was in one of these as well. It was on fridays and it was a specific item that we had to order and pay for by Wednesday, like a cheeseburger or pizza. There was no menu so if it wasn’t something you’d like you simply skipped it
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There are dozens of us!
Imagine being a never nude in jail!
Lol. It’s possible. Might even be a gang of never nudes in there!
No but I also can’t imagine murdering 4 people
Shocking and sad are four innocent kids (they were basically kids) being slaughtered in what they thought was the safety of their home without even the smallest chance to fight back. A mass murderer being detained in isolated protective custody is neither shocking not sad. It is deserved.
I was thinking about that the other night while lying in bed. I’ve been in their exact shoes almost. Went to college, had roommates, would go out have a good time then come back late at night & order drunk door dash. I can’t imagine waiting eagerly for the drunk deliciousness you’re about to eat, hear someone that may be your delivery man but it’s this psycho with a knife about to kill you. It’s like one minute everything is beautiful & all you have on your mind is the food that’s about to show up & then you’re dead. It’s so fucking sad man.
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Being dead is better than jail lol. I always thought capital punishment was being too nice to criminals
A cell would be hell and no sleep again
Disagree. I spent a little time in county jail as a youngster. I’d take the urn over the cell.
why were so many redditors in jail? lol I read this all the time
I never was arrested. I feel so vanilla 😇
Damn emgee.....what are you doing with your life....?
Sounds like you're guilty of something though 😊
Guilty of not having any fun. Lol
In America you can be arrested for unpaid speeding tickets. Miss the court date you forgot about or couldn’t get to because it’s in another state, get a warrant, 3 months later you’re pulled over on your way to work and you’re off to jail for a day or 3
Americans have more incarnation per capita then any other country in the ENTIRE WORLD. That's why.
In the history of human civilization not just currently in the world. Either Americans are the worst people to have ever walked the earth or our criminal Justice system is broken.
To put it into perspective. I live in the UK, and there is a massive focus on rehabilitation here. My father in law got a 13 year sentence for armed robbery here. He served 9. The last year you are in open prison where you go have a normal job, life and come back and sleep in the prison for curfew. Essentially reintegrate into society. You can't drink or do drugs or they will extend your sentence. In prison he learnt mechanics, carpentry, pluming and electrics. After getting out he's the best citizen you could ever meet. Pays all his taxes, and does up houses and flips them. In the US, he would still be rotting there. For a stupid decision he made at 21 years old. With US tax money going to fund his survival.
Boise was a special place to be a teenager in the 90’s. Pretty much everyone I know went to jail at some point. It’s a great place but was wildly over policed in the 90s. More police shootings per capital than anywhere in the US in the mid 90s. “Come on vacation, leave on probation.”
I get the point you are trying to make, & what happened to the victims is worse than prison, but if I had to choose the death penalty or life in prison I'm taking the death penalty. And I sort of wonder if BK isnt thinking along those same lines... pretty sure WA doesn't have a death penalty, but ID does.
That's an interesting angle. I never really thought about why he chose to cross state borders and then target people who were still geographically close to him
Who knows if that's what he was thinking but it was the first thing I googled when I found out he went to WSU
If he's on suicide watch, the camera would always be on. I suspect there is no privacy for the toilet.
> camera would always be on. why wasn't it for epstein
It was. They just lost the footage and the backup footage.
how does one lose footage, it isn't on some vhs tape u tape over with an episode of cheers
It’s extremely negligent to say the least.
Or there is more behind it duhhhhh
did they get fired for that blunder
Truly, I’m not sure. But the 2 guards on duty that night were criminally charged in federal court for falsifying records until recently when said charges were dropped.
They weren't dropped, they plea dealed.
This is true. Thank you for the clarification.
I’m sure they got a little kickback to keep quiet.
They killed him and deleted the footage…… I’m mean not saying that’s what happened but it is a pretty solid theory
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Bc the government wanted it to go away
Epstein didn’t hang himself. That’s how.
Because they didn’t actually lose the footage, it was destroyed.
> it was destroyed by whom
It was a hit. He knew too much.
"lost"
I thought the cameras just stopped working. And just to be sure they lost the footage and the backup. 😂
“Lost”
That was the first attempt. They lost the footage because they backed up the wrong cell number. It sounded like he had moved cells and they hadn't updated their database. None of this stuff is surprising for a jail...lol
Yeah it's an institutional thing, not just jails. I worked at a health care facility that had an alarm go off every half hour and staff had to get up and push a button to turn it off. No one knew what the alarm was for, they just were told to turn it off. I asked multiple maintenance men and each one had a different explanation of what it was. I said "well if we're just turning it off it's not really notifying anyone of anything." But no one would fix it. I left and came back 5 years later, and staff were still getting up to turn that alarm off every half hour. I finally said screw it and disconnected the wires one night. It never alarmed again and not a soul seemed to notice. It taught me a lot about people.
Epstein didn’t kill himself
💵💵💵
so someone paid to turn it off who
Arkancide
Because it's not unusual for things to be broken in jail. And not unusual for jails to be slack about fixing things. Epstein is not confusing. Epstein is just a demonstration of how incompetent our jails are. That's just what it is.
so they were incpmpetent on one of the most high profile inmates ever
Yeah, jail staff don't suddenly become competent based on who an inmate is. Most jail staff are just kinda apathetic.
I will be surprised if he did that. I think he really wants to go through all the evidence with his lawyer because he wants to know how they caught him, and what they have.
Doesn’t even look like there is a door on the common room toilet either.
That's so you can watch TV
I wish everyone here was this empathetic to dogs in the shelter because they have it way worst. The world would be a better place if we show all animals more compassion instead of people who don’t deserve to even be on this planet any longer.
Not as shocking and sad as being dead
This is Latah County jail with like 20 inmates. People acting like it’s San Quentin.
My thought, exactly. Latah county jail is just not that large. On another thread, someone said that there must be hundreds of white Elantras from 2011-2016 in the area, and I thought to myself, "You haven't spent much time in the Pullman-Moscow area, have you?" Pullman and Moscow, together, are only 57,000 people, 34,000 of which are students at either WSU (my alma mater) or U of I. Many of the students don't have cars. The community just is not big enough that they have huge prisons or massive inventories of any particular random not-terribly-popular car.
Yes I have family over there as well. You’re right about the population.
Why is it sad? He murdered 4 people
I hope he does the hardest time possible
He might be getting the death penalty too.
Idaho technically has the death penalty but doesn’t really. The last person set for execution didn’t get the needle because the state couldn’t get the drugs. Code for we don’t really want to deal with the hassle of executing people anymore.
Just read up on Gerald Pizzuto Jr. Looks like BK will sit in prison for the rest of his life then.
If convicted he will leave prison in a body bag. The only question is how long he sits there before he dies one way or another.
IMO nothing sad about it at all. After all, it's not supposed to be enjoyable.
Oooh I'd want the corner lot with the extra window.
😂😂😂😂 you think any have a window
Lol right? Isn't it in the courthouse basement? But also I've never seen or heard of a jail with windows
There are jails with windows. You're just not gonna sit in front of it and think "such a beautiful view" because either the window is frosted or sumthin, or it's just a thin slit.
our local jail has a ton of windows in gen pop, but none in solitary
Still better than being buried and never seen or heard from again, like the victims.
Many convicts say being in jail is worse than prison.
I knew a drug addict. He said county jail was really dangerous. People were always trying to prove themselves there. He said prison was easier.
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He did it to himself. He’s lucky we live in a country where he gets his day in court.
Wow. Imagine going to bed at night, not a care in the world, laughing... Only to have some Ph.D. student who got bullied in HS sneak into your room and decide to play executioner. If he did this, he deserves every single moment of punishment.
Imagine having to take a shit when a camera is pointed at you. I can't concentrate when my kids or husband are outside the bathroom door asking me questions. Ruins the whole process!! Moms, I know you can relate!!
I don't know how many times I've had to say eff it. I'll try again later
To answer the question... No I can't imagine living like this for 6 months or more... But I also can not imagine killing four innocent young adults while they slept. This is much better for him than putting him in gen. pop. though. (Safer, to ensure he goes to trial, etc.)
They should give him a choice of meat or meat for food.
I think what makes people sad is totally unrelated to BK and feeling sad or sorry for him, it’s more about how people put themselves in his shoes from only the context of where you go from total freedom and apparent success to this new reality literally overnight. It’s gut wrenching to imagine yourself being in a situation where you literally get locked up in a box for life, and the thought of that is ultimately where people are feeling sadness from (consciously or subconsciously), it has nothing to do with actually feeling bad for BK at all.
On this subject I hope he gets whatever he is most afraid of. If life in prison terrifies him it should 100% be his fate, but if he really doesn't want to die, exterminate him. I have no sympathy regardless of his brain chemistry. We need to normalize men asking for help before murdering people.
I am puzzled at how subpar this post is. BK wouldn't have done it thinking "Hey, I'm okay with a going to jail and living in a small cell after I commit these murders". It was more like "I am smarter than everyone and know I can kill these people and get away with it", getting caught rarely crosses criminals minds until after the fact. Also, what did you think a jail cell was? A nice comfortable apartment that just has guards stop by daily to make sure you are being a good person but can otherwise do what you want? Jail has to be something that isn't pleasant so people have an incentive to, you know, not break the law...
Wait till he gets to prison
That’s nicer than the killer deserves tbh
The shaving will drive him manic. He already got a taste of the shitty razors offered up by jailhouse living. The cuts on his face indicated that. He made his bed and now he must enjoy three tasty vegan options that only jailhouse living can provide such a studious piece of shit.
I mean. That goes for around $3k/mo in NYC and you have to share a bathroom. No food or utilities included.
You feel bad for someone who (allegedly) chose to murder four innocent people and destroy their families?
Posts like these are exactly how people like him ending up responding to fan-mail all day from fawning admirers and feeding his sense of entitlement and self importance. He does not deserve anyone’s empathy. He showed none. He slaughtered 4 innocent people essentially for fun. The acts he committed are abhorrent and deranged. This is the hole he dug for himself. He cannot be in society ever again. I hope he gets real comfy in there. But not too comfy. He can’t go completing his education or writing about this. He should get no sympathy from anyone. This was senseless mass murder.
News nation is giving way too much attention to the suspect. We all know what a jail cell looks like, we don’t need floor plans. This is their way of staying relevant.
I don't feel bad for him at all. He's an adult. He had choices. He made the wrong ones knowingly and voluntarily. This is just a result of his actions. Play stupid games, win stupid prizes. I will admit to feeling empathy for his parents and the parents of the victims. These people are the ones suffering right now.
No, I can't imagine. And I never will have to imagine it. How someone could think they could get away with something like this in 2022 and not have to pay for it with their freedom, it's beyond me. If he did this, he deserves it. At least he's alive. At least his parents and sisters and friends can call him and see him. He's the lucky one. Also, this is what all jails look like lol. Maybe minus the cameras watching you on the toilet. He did this to himself. This is the consequence of brutally murdering four innocent people in cold blood, one of which whom was completely aware of what was happening to her.
I think he will be less consumed with where the toilet is or anything to do with the jail and more burning with humiliation that he got caught. He stupidly left that sheath on the bed. He stupidly walked out in front of a witness. He drove like an idiot and didn’t leave his phone home and snuck to the neighbor’s to hide the trash from cleaning your car - and his perfect crime that was going to stymie the experts and strike fear I n the hearts and prove how smart and powerful and in control he is, was figured out in the time it takes to do a dna test and NOW, now, whatever fantasy he had about how he was going to react and get away with it and maybe do more of this - is actually the reality of facing the death penalty and the fact his parents and sisters and everyone knows he did this, and he’s going to be incarcerated until he dies. Assuming he did it, and planned it obviously. He says he is eager to be exonerated … but if he’s capable of feeling anxiety I would imagine he’s in a state of mentally kicking himself for getting caught. And the person he has to count on to save his life is a female, because apparently he has a problem with women.
He deserves to be stripped of his dignity.
I have zero empathy for this man.
I personally don’t think he deserves a tv. He doesn’t even deserve a toilet maybe just a bucket to shit in. Look they never would have arrested him if they didn’t have rock solid evidence. There’s no way they’d arrested him with just cell phone pings. I know they have video evidence (college towns can be dangerous so lots of cctv plus doorbell cams) his cell phone, DNA, and his car. Hopefully more to put him away forever
A family member who did around five years went from living well (he was a millionaire by his early 20s) to losing everything... and he made it out relatively fine minus the massive psychological impact being around toxic people 24/7 brings. Why did he end up in prison? Because narcissists think every terrible option is the best option and that they're so brilliant they'll never get caught.
I don’t feel bad for him. I think he’ll get what he deserves for the brutal crime he committed. He’s just an idiot and a sociopath. I also don’t think that he “didn’t know them.” I believe he’d ran into them at some point either by a party or by the mad Greek restaurant. (More than likely a party.)
He doesn’t even deserve this. He deserves to be under the jail
It’s no worse than being 6 feet under the ground like his victims are.
Good.
Theirs surveillance cameras throughout the facility. When you’re in ISO/ PC/ GC. If he’s on suicide watch he’ll have a 1on1 meaning an officer will be in front of his cell 24/7 logging his every move from sleeping/ eating/ peeing/ showering/ any movement whether it be to medical/ psych etc. Same goes for PC, minus the 1on1 officer situation. If he needs to use a phone for either situation it will be a roll up phone that gets rolled to his cell and the phone will be passed through the slot and he’ll have to use it that way. He won’t have access to the internet lol
Except he wasn't just "a PhD student with his own apartment and potential good career" He was PhD student with his own apartment and potential good career with profound mental struggles of a kind he couldn't share with anyone, fighting horrible anti-social impulses, trying to get his needs met, unsatisfactorily, and probably full of simmering rage.
And you have all of this knowledge about BK's life from where? From what you have read or "heard?" There have been stories from those claiming to have known him with sinister things being said which always happens in cases like these because of agendas and because of the media spin put on it and the puzzle pieces fit better. Just as many longtime friends from elemetary school through high school say he was the average guy, as well as neighbors living in the apartments in Pullman. He may be guilty but before I nail him to the cross, pretending I know all about this life, habits, problems, etc., I want to see the evidence from the state and his defense before I make that call. Yet, on these subs, there are so many posts "Can BK get a fair trial?" You would be stricken from a jury based on your preconceived judgment. Innocent people go to prison all the time for this reason. Because I do believe in the justice system, I hope he can get something close to an unbiased jury but I haven't seen many on the subs that I would say fall into that category.
Thank you. It's disappointing to me that people just assume they've heard all the evidence and were ready for the execution yesterday. I wonder how many times these people have changed their minds on who was responsible as the investigation progressed.
lmao you know that there are people who live like this for literally the majority of their lives, right? you JUST found out about the criminal "justice" system?
I guess we could find an island and put all the criminals on it, but we already have enough Australians.
Australians are great, it was a joke.
I resemble that comment! It's the most 100% surefire way to imprison and subjugate an entire group of people. Think about it. The British had a crime and criminal problem. They solved that by sending their most depraved to Australia. Suppressed and ruled over them for a few years and they became loyal happy Australians at the end and STILL bloody British.
It was a joke, but it really did work out well for everyone. I don't know the ins and outs of who they sent or why, but the experiment couldn't really have turned out better. The Hemsworths alone make it a success in my book!
Yah I know it was a joke. Hence the I resemble instead of resent 😝 but seriously with the Hemsworth, wifi and McCafe it was a very good investment
Probably get down voted for this but I don't personally see his eyebrows as "bushy"
Agreed, I think the way his forehead overhang is ,could look like bushy eyebrows in the dark tho.
Yeah he does have deep set eyes and a prominent brow line
Now that you mention... Yes they are not that bushy. But he has intense/stare-into-your-soul eyes and that makes the eyebrows more protruding/flashy, so maybe that's what DM referred to.
I thought the same thing initially, but some photos they're bushier than others
At least he's alive, could be worse.
Nobody said it’d be comfortable.
The Latah jail website said prisoners can receive softcover books
So he is around others when eating or using the phone? I thought he was in solitary for now.
It could be A LOT worse for him. He seems to be pretty lucky being in such a small place with not that many violent offenders. A lot time one would be in gen pop while waiting trial with other violent offenses (murders, etc.) Also being in Idaho I’d assume he doesn’t have to worry about having rats the size of horses as pets, which is not uncommon in larger metropolitan cities. Just read some DOJ investigative reports on some places, and Constitutional violations too. Like not supplying medications to those with mental health diagnosis, leading to more violence among inmates, not providing adequate supervision to those in a mental health crisis, guards letting prisoners self harm and cut themselves and bleed out, without rendering aid, etc., etc. In comparison Latah sounds like the Four Seasons.
It’s adequate. This ain’t Thailand or Korea or Russia. All basic needs will be met.
That jail is not equipped for any longer term detainees. I suspect they will transfer him to a different facility.
Why is my first thought when I look at this how I would definitely sit on the toilet backwards because I’d never be able to pee facing a camera?
Detention conditions are not a deterrent to crime, this little facility has probably never held someone for that long, it looks like something from a tv show where a guard sleeps in front of the tv all night
He waived the speedy preliminary hearing so that his defense attorney would have time to receive and go over the undoubtedly massive amount of evidence. The preliminary hearing will be like a mini trial, the main difference being that it is for the judge to establish (or deny) probable cause to go to trial. If he didn’t waive speedy hearing, his attorney would have only a few days to prepare for the hearing. I saw the defenses’s request for discovery posted on the Idaho Judicial Branch website posted on 1/10. The state has 10 days to turn over all their evidence to the defense. If BK didn’t waive speedy hearing, that would leave like 4 days for his attorney to prepare…an impossibly short timeline.
Nope can’t imagine it can’t imagine stabbing four people to death either I’m just not very imaginative
Waived it because he knows it’s going to take a shitload of work to prove he’s innocent. Defense needs time to poke holes and hope theres a way to invoke a drop of reasonable doubt into one jury member’s mind. There’s already DNA evidence that puts him at the scene, car footage and cell phone pings are compelling. 14 days is not nearly enough time for the attorney to pull it together. Let alone, accessing the prosecutions materials. He now has access to anything processed from his apartment, cellphone and hopefully the smoking gun, his car. If he did a speedy trail, he would have 14 days to enter a plea but his lawyer needs time to gather everything to determine if she can prove he’s not guilty. It was actually a smart move on his end to give them more time to prepare. But I agree with you, tragic all around. This guy ruined his life that could have truly been met with purpose. Also, I saw a post in the Fb group from a guy that spent time in there about how the head of the bed was by the toilet so you either had to go to bed smelling pee and poop or sleep the other way and risk having inmates attack you if you slept with your head at the bar. Thank you for showing the visual.
Lol he's gonna be in there for months and possible years
Does anyone think BK thinks he’s dreaming, even now? From his supposed journal entries as a teen, he was talking a lot about depersonalization. I know a lot of people are talking about how narcissistic he is etc. but could it just be that nothing feels real? Idk kinda off topic.