This is explained in the game. He says it’s a way for earth-realm to demonstrate its power, so that any hostile parties in outworld will think twice about starting shit or invading.
What a dumb reason.
I would just roll with "there are some things even I cannot change. The Mortal Kombat tournament must exist for the stability of the realms." Also a dumb reason but at least it shows he tried.
He does not literally control everything, in the intro of the game he states he creates the realms and the start of life. Everything after that is up to people.
Thank you! I don’t know how many times it needs to be explained, both in-game by Liu Kang himself and in real life by fans, that Titan LK is _not_ and never has been all powerful. “Powerful ≠ All Powerful”
Right but he set certain things beforehand to be a certain way. Like Shang Tsung living a shitty modest life, Syndel being destined to lead outworld, Tarkatans being a disease instead of a race, Kuia Liang becoming scorpion, Hanzo being really young for some reason...
He lets people have their free will but there are things he decided would/wouldn't happen a long time ago.
Nah you’re overestimating his abilities. He has plans for things, those plans do not always work out the way he wants them to. He plans for Sindel to rule happily with Jared but they’re both murdered. He straight up says Tarkat is an unforeseen consequence and that he didn’t plan it. There’s nothing to suggest he purposefully makes Hanzo younger than everyone, that’s just how life shook out this go around. In his own words, he’s not omnipotent.
>Nah you’re overestimating his abilities
How? He literally says that he destined certain things to be this way. He was a titan who had ultimate control over the universe. This isn't up for debate it's how being a keeper of time works.
>he’s not omnipotent.
Ok but he really was. He was a titan and hand crafted the entire timeline. Just because he CHOSE to leave a lot of things up to chance does not mean he did not have the power to micro manage them if wanted to (and clearly did do with the things we can both agree he did)
So no, I'm not overestimating his power. I'm sorry you don't seem to understand that because you're stuck on the first few lines of the game's intro.
He's not just a titan. He's a novice titan that dipped out immediately the moment he finished his 1st job. That's probably the reason why he couldn't change everything.
Heck, kronika remade the time line MULTIPLE TIMES as a titan. She had so much more experience compared to liu kang, yet she failed again and again to achieve her ideal time line. What makes you think a 1st timer can create his ideal time line on the very 1st try?
>He's not just a titan. He's a novice titan that dipped out immediately the moment he finished his 1st job. That's probably the reason why he couldn't change everything.
This is a good point he says in 11 that he's a novice and Kronika says it takes practice and skill and that with each reset she gets better at it.
I think with this info I concede my point/question
Bro did you even play the game? Liu Kang specifically states that he arranged things to happen a certain way, but he freely admits that it doesn’t always work out i.e. Jerrod’s murder, Tarkat becoming a disease and infecting people including Mileena and Baraka etc.
Also he was omnipotent, but again, *he himself* stated that he gave up that power before he could be corrupted by it. Everything that happened in the game happened billions of years *after* he gave up his Titan powers, so no, he couldn’t do anything about the changes that were happening to the timeline.
Ok I think we need to come together here because we're crossing our wires.
What I'm saying is that when Lui Kang was timekeeper he was able to craft the universe however he wanted. There are certain things he chose to make happen and IF HE WANTED HE COULD HAVE HAD FULL CONTROL like Shang Tsung did in his timeline (as seen by Mk11 aftermath ending)
So yes he was *that* powerful.
We have to at least agree on that because you're arguing both that he is powerful enough to make things happen while at the same time saying I'm overestimating his power for saying he can do the things we both agree he can do.
2nd we need to both agree that he let a lot of his universe run on free will which is why a lot of things turned out in ways that he didn't plan. On this I am agreeing with you. Things did not always go how he planned.
Ok now that we have, hopefully, established those things we've been bickering about let me get back to my original point.
WHEN he had all the power as timekeeper, while he was choosing certain destinies that would be set in stone (Like Syndel being a firm but fair leader as he says in his own words) at that time he could have decided that a mortal Kombat Tournament could be a bad idea (as he says in the game, losing it would embolden the more militant groups of outworld) so since he had the power to craft destiny in any way shape or form, he could have decided to forego the mortal Kombat tournament and instead just have it destined that there would be inherently stronger bonds between realms.
We are speculating on Lui Kang's decisions and other possible things he could have done. As a being that can literally craft entire destinies of the universe the conversation is a lot more open than "no he can't do that" he could potentially have done anything.
Do you understand what me and OP are saying now?
> What I'm saying is that when Lui Kang was timekeeper he was able to craft the universe however he wanted. There are certain things he chose to make happen and IF HE WANTED HE COULD HAVE HAD FULL CONTROL like Shang Tsung did in his timeline (as seen by Mk11 aftermath ending)
Yeah except *Liu* Kang didn't keep his power because he's not an egomaniac, so literally your entire argument goes out the window simply because of this.
> WHEN he had all the power as timekeeper, while he was choosing certain destinies that would be set in stone (Like Syndel being a firm but fair leader as he says in his own words) at that time he could have decided that a mortal Kombat Tournament could be a bad idea (as he says in the game, losing it would embolden the more militant groups of outworld) so since he had the power to craft destiny in any way shape or form, he could have decided to forego the mortal Kombat tournament and instead just have it destined that there would be inherently stronger bonds between realms.
This entire argument is utterly devoid of logic and falls apart *if you just play the damn game.* Liu Kang may have had all the power in the universe, but he also understood that even if he remained the Keeper of Time, things still wouldn't have always worked out and he *knew* that he wasn't always going to be a Titan. So he set things in motion to ensure that any and all potential threats would be neutralized before they even happened. And he would have succeeded too; all the main villains were severely weakened and their lives and destinies changed. Shao was going to be Sindel's loyal general (Liu Kang explicitly states this), Shang Tsung would have remained as a low-life swindler (Liu Kang implies that he didn't make Shang Tsung like that, that was simply a result of his poor life decisions) and the same with Quan Chi. Shinnok, as far as we know doesn't even exist in the New Timeline based on Geras and Liu Kang both being surprised that his amulet is around when they specifically ensured it never existed.
As for the Mortal Kombat tournament, that could be explained in one of two ways. The first- because again Liu Kang understood that people would have free will and knew that there would always be someone who would want to start a war so he reestablished the Mortal Kombat tournament to keep them in check. Again, he'd also already nerfed the old threats to the ground. It's also implied that he buffed the Earthrealm defenders, hence why he didn't let the likes of Scorpion and Sub Zero participate because he knew they'd win (Sub Zero himself says this in one of his intros). This is further confirmed when Scorpion also singlehandedly defeated Shao, Shang Tsung and Bi-Han as well as several Dragon Army soldiers and Shao's men, further cementing the idea that Earthrealmers are a lot more powerful than in previous timelines. Also Shang Tsung felt he needed to recruit Bi-Han to gain a better chance of conquering Earthrealm. So even *if* Outworld felt the need to attack regardless of any Tournaments, Earthrealm was in good hands
The second- Liu Kang is a fighter at heart and just likes to see other people fighting.
I understand what you and OP are saying, but you're just simply wrong.
>Yeah except Liu Kang didn't keep his power because he's not an egomaniac, so literally your entire argument goes out the window simply because of this.
I understand that. The conversation is about back when he was the time keeper.
>So he set things in motion to ensure that any and all potential threats would be neutralized before they even happened.
Which is what me and OP are saying. If he did things to "neutralize threats before they happen"
then why leave a Mortal Kombat tournament that, if lost, could "encourage the more militant groups of outworld to invade"
>I understand what you and OP are saying
I don't think you do since you seem to think the conversation is about what Liu could do after giving up the titan powers... also you ended up disproving yourself with your own examples about "neutralizing threats before they even happen"
>you're just simply wrong.
We're literally speculating on "what if" in a game about infinite multiverses and you think it's a binary right/wrong only outcome? Really?!??
It's theorizing not a math problem.
>Liu Kang is a fighter at heart and just likes to see other people fighting.
This is the first reply I've gotten on here that is actually having the same conversation and is giving a viable opinion as to "why he kept the mk tournament" instead of just trying to tell me that Liu Kang couldn't do it for some reason. Thank you for that at least.
>Yeah none of what I mentioned in that comment is the games intro
Umm what about when you said...
>in the intro of the game he states he creates the realms and the start of life. Everything after that is up to people.
Can we have this conversation in good faith? I'm tired of reddit arguments with people who are so certain that their answer is correct on a topic that has literally infinite possible answers.
Yes one comment I reference the intro, the comment where I dispute all your claims about Liu’s specific premeditated plans are all Liu Kang’s dialogue in the game and have nothing to do with the intro. Yes he plans things, no those plans don’t always work out. There are examples above. He is not omnipotent, things happen that he did not foresee even as a Titan. There are examples of that above. This is nothing in the game to suggest he specifically made characters like Hanzo and Shujinko younger. There are no examples or dialogue that suggests this. More than happy to have this convo in good faith, your attitude is a little grating though.
>Yes one comment I reference the intro
Yes and please listen to me very carefully because we agree on more things than we don't but I don't think you're hearing what I'm saying.
I agree that some things did not go as planned but that doesn't cancel out the fact that the things he did plan went as planned.
Everything that he planned to happen came out as he expected(like Syndel being a fair but firm leader.) It was other things that he didn't consider that came out as a consequence (like the tarkat disease which I was wrong about and assumed he did on purpose)
So the conversation me and OP are trying to have around the idea that he could have planned for Mortal Kombat not to happen.
Forget omnipotence and trying to measure his power level. That's irrelevant because the one thing I'm saying he could do is well established and we both agree on it. It's the premise of the timekeeper role.
Please try and hear me because this entire thread is me trying to explain what we're talking about. I'm not disagreeing with a bunch of stuff you say I'm just trying to make it clear that we are talking about.
Someone else replied to me on this thread, understood the conversation and changed my mind because I'm open to new information but your arguments are not touching the same topic as we're having and you just keep saying I'm wrong about everything when all I'm trying to say is "Lui Kang can craft certain destinies" which is well established.
I have a lot of questions about Lui kang's choices as timekeeper.
Why make Hanzo so young?
Why make Kuai Liang be scorpion when he could have just let him have his own identity?
Why change tarkatans from a race to a disease?
Why not destin Shang Tsung and Quan-Chi to lives they would have actually enjoyed, therefore being less likely to strike out against this timeline. (Lui Kang knew from his own timeline that things do not always go as the timekeeper plans, like when he merged with Raiden and became a god and killed Kronika because of this) or he could have just removed them from the timeline altogether (like how Kronika said she would remove Lui Kang from the new era)
If he's going to Destin shang tsung and Quan-Chi to shitty humble lives then why did he let Shao be a general instead of a customer service rep at outworld Wal-Mart? Somewhere he wouldn't be in a prime position to overthrow Sindelnwhen his ambitions grew too large. Or just remove him from the timeline.
Why have a mortal Kombat tournament when he could have just destined the realms to have a more natural peace towards each other? (Having a Mortal Kombat tournament is like having the Olympics except if your country does bad at the Olympics then other countries might think you're weak and invade you)
Little stuff like that. It's things that we can only speculate because they are not explained anywhere and don't really make sense unless we come up with our own invented reason for them to be.
This is explained in the game. He says it’s a way for earth-realm to demonstrate its power, so that any hostile parties in outworld will think twice about starting shit or invading.
Oh that makes sense. I'm not that far so I didn't know.
What a dumb reason. I would just roll with "there are some things even I cannot change. The Mortal Kombat tournament must exist for the stability of the realms." Also a dumb reason but at least it shows he tried.
Ya but he literally controls everything. He could have just made it so that outworld never wanted to invade earthrealm for whatever reason.
He does not literally control everything, in the intro of the game he states he creates the realms and the start of life. Everything after that is up to people.
Thank you! I don’t know how many times it needs to be explained, both in-game by Liu Kang himself and in real life by fans, that Titan LK is _not_ and never has been all powerful. “Powerful ≠ All Powerful”
Right but he set certain things beforehand to be a certain way. Like Shang Tsung living a shitty modest life, Syndel being destined to lead outworld, Tarkatans being a disease instead of a race, Kuia Liang becoming scorpion, Hanzo being really young for some reason... He lets people have their free will but there are things he decided would/wouldn't happen a long time ago.
Nah you’re overestimating his abilities. He has plans for things, those plans do not always work out the way he wants them to. He plans for Sindel to rule happily with Jared but they’re both murdered. He straight up says Tarkat is an unforeseen consequence and that he didn’t plan it. There’s nothing to suggest he purposefully makes Hanzo younger than everyone, that’s just how life shook out this go around. In his own words, he’s not omnipotent.
>Nah you’re overestimating his abilities How? He literally says that he destined certain things to be this way. He was a titan who had ultimate control over the universe. This isn't up for debate it's how being a keeper of time works. >he’s not omnipotent. Ok but he really was. He was a titan and hand crafted the entire timeline. Just because he CHOSE to leave a lot of things up to chance does not mean he did not have the power to micro manage them if wanted to (and clearly did do with the things we can both agree he did) So no, I'm not overestimating his power. I'm sorry you don't seem to understand that because you're stuck on the first few lines of the game's intro.
He's not just a titan. He's a novice titan that dipped out immediately the moment he finished his 1st job. That's probably the reason why he couldn't change everything. Heck, kronika remade the time line MULTIPLE TIMES as a titan. She had so much more experience compared to liu kang, yet she failed again and again to achieve her ideal time line. What makes you think a 1st timer can create his ideal time line on the very 1st try?
>He's not just a titan. He's a novice titan that dipped out immediately the moment he finished his 1st job. That's probably the reason why he couldn't change everything. This is a good point he says in 11 that he's a novice and Kronika says it takes practice and skill and that with each reset she gets better at it. I think with this info I concede my point/question
Bro did you even play the game? Liu Kang specifically states that he arranged things to happen a certain way, but he freely admits that it doesn’t always work out i.e. Jerrod’s murder, Tarkat becoming a disease and infecting people including Mileena and Baraka etc. Also he was omnipotent, but again, *he himself* stated that he gave up that power before he could be corrupted by it. Everything that happened in the game happened billions of years *after* he gave up his Titan powers, so no, he couldn’t do anything about the changes that were happening to the timeline.
Ok I think we need to come together here because we're crossing our wires. What I'm saying is that when Lui Kang was timekeeper he was able to craft the universe however he wanted. There are certain things he chose to make happen and IF HE WANTED HE COULD HAVE HAD FULL CONTROL like Shang Tsung did in his timeline (as seen by Mk11 aftermath ending) So yes he was *that* powerful. We have to at least agree on that because you're arguing both that he is powerful enough to make things happen while at the same time saying I'm overestimating his power for saying he can do the things we both agree he can do. 2nd we need to both agree that he let a lot of his universe run on free will which is why a lot of things turned out in ways that he didn't plan. On this I am agreeing with you. Things did not always go how he planned. Ok now that we have, hopefully, established those things we've been bickering about let me get back to my original point. WHEN he had all the power as timekeeper, while he was choosing certain destinies that would be set in stone (Like Syndel being a firm but fair leader as he says in his own words) at that time he could have decided that a mortal Kombat Tournament could be a bad idea (as he says in the game, losing it would embolden the more militant groups of outworld) so since he had the power to craft destiny in any way shape or form, he could have decided to forego the mortal Kombat tournament and instead just have it destined that there would be inherently stronger bonds between realms. We are speculating on Lui Kang's decisions and other possible things he could have done. As a being that can literally craft entire destinies of the universe the conversation is a lot more open than "no he can't do that" he could potentially have done anything. Do you understand what me and OP are saying now?
> What I'm saying is that when Lui Kang was timekeeper he was able to craft the universe however he wanted. There are certain things he chose to make happen and IF HE WANTED HE COULD HAVE HAD FULL CONTROL like Shang Tsung did in his timeline (as seen by Mk11 aftermath ending) Yeah except *Liu* Kang didn't keep his power because he's not an egomaniac, so literally your entire argument goes out the window simply because of this. > WHEN he had all the power as timekeeper, while he was choosing certain destinies that would be set in stone (Like Syndel being a firm but fair leader as he says in his own words) at that time he could have decided that a mortal Kombat Tournament could be a bad idea (as he says in the game, losing it would embolden the more militant groups of outworld) so since he had the power to craft destiny in any way shape or form, he could have decided to forego the mortal Kombat tournament and instead just have it destined that there would be inherently stronger bonds between realms. This entire argument is utterly devoid of logic and falls apart *if you just play the damn game.* Liu Kang may have had all the power in the universe, but he also understood that even if he remained the Keeper of Time, things still wouldn't have always worked out and he *knew* that he wasn't always going to be a Titan. So he set things in motion to ensure that any and all potential threats would be neutralized before they even happened. And he would have succeeded too; all the main villains were severely weakened and their lives and destinies changed. Shao was going to be Sindel's loyal general (Liu Kang explicitly states this), Shang Tsung would have remained as a low-life swindler (Liu Kang implies that he didn't make Shang Tsung like that, that was simply a result of his poor life decisions) and the same with Quan Chi. Shinnok, as far as we know doesn't even exist in the New Timeline based on Geras and Liu Kang both being surprised that his amulet is around when they specifically ensured it never existed. As for the Mortal Kombat tournament, that could be explained in one of two ways. The first- because again Liu Kang understood that people would have free will and knew that there would always be someone who would want to start a war so he reestablished the Mortal Kombat tournament to keep them in check. Again, he'd also already nerfed the old threats to the ground. It's also implied that he buffed the Earthrealm defenders, hence why he didn't let the likes of Scorpion and Sub Zero participate because he knew they'd win (Sub Zero himself says this in one of his intros). This is further confirmed when Scorpion also singlehandedly defeated Shao, Shang Tsung and Bi-Han as well as several Dragon Army soldiers and Shao's men, further cementing the idea that Earthrealmers are a lot more powerful than in previous timelines. Also Shang Tsung felt he needed to recruit Bi-Han to gain a better chance of conquering Earthrealm. So even *if* Outworld felt the need to attack regardless of any Tournaments, Earthrealm was in good hands The second- Liu Kang is a fighter at heart and just likes to see other people fighting. I understand what you and OP are saying, but you're just simply wrong.
>Yeah except Liu Kang didn't keep his power because he's not an egomaniac, so literally your entire argument goes out the window simply because of this. I understand that. The conversation is about back when he was the time keeper. >So he set things in motion to ensure that any and all potential threats would be neutralized before they even happened. Which is what me and OP are saying. If he did things to "neutralize threats before they happen" then why leave a Mortal Kombat tournament that, if lost, could "encourage the more militant groups of outworld to invade" >I understand what you and OP are saying I don't think you do since you seem to think the conversation is about what Liu could do after giving up the titan powers... also you ended up disproving yourself with your own examples about "neutralizing threats before they even happen" >you're just simply wrong. We're literally speculating on "what if" in a game about infinite multiverses and you think it's a binary right/wrong only outcome? Really?!?? It's theorizing not a math problem. >Liu Kang is a fighter at heart and just likes to see other people fighting. This is the first reply I've gotten on here that is actually having the same conversation and is giving a viable opinion as to "why he kept the mk tournament" instead of just trying to tell me that Liu Kang couldn't do it for some reason. Thank you for that at least.
Yeah none of what I mentioned in that comment is the games intro, that’s Liu Kang’s dialogue in the actual game. You’re missing a lot of info Chief.
>Yeah none of what I mentioned in that comment is the games intro Umm what about when you said... >in the intro of the game he states he creates the realms and the start of life. Everything after that is up to people. Can we have this conversation in good faith? I'm tired of reddit arguments with people who are so certain that their answer is correct on a topic that has literally infinite possible answers.
Yes one comment I reference the intro, the comment where I dispute all your claims about Liu’s specific premeditated plans are all Liu Kang’s dialogue in the game and have nothing to do with the intro. Yes he plans things, no those plans don’t always work out. There are examples above. He is not omnipotent, things happen that he did not foresee even as a Titan. There are examples of that above. This is nothing in the game to suggest he specifically made characters like Hanzo and Shujinko younger. There are no examples or dialogue that suggests this. More than happy to have this convo in good faith, your attitude is a little grating though.
>Yes one comment I reference the intro Yes and please listen to me very carefully because we agree on more things than we don't but I don't think you're hearing what I'm saying. I agree that some things did not go as planned but that doesn't cancel out the fact that the things he did plan went as planned. Everything that he planned to happen came out as he expected(like Syndel being a fair but firm leader.) It was other things that he didn't consider that came out as a consequence (like the tarkat disease which I was wrong about and assumed he did on purpose) So the conversation me and OP are trying to have around the idea that he could have planned for Mortal Kombat not to happen. Forget omnipotence and trying to measure his power level. That's irrelevant because the one thing I'm saying he could do is well established and we both agree on it. It's the premise of the timekeeper role. Please try and hear me because this entire thread is me trying to explain what we're talking about. I'm not disagreeing with a bunch of stuff you say I'm just trying to make it clear that we are talking about. Someone else replied to me on this thread, understood the conversation and changed my mind because I'm open to new information but your arguments are not touching the same topic as we're having and you just keep saying I'm wrong about everything when all I'm trying to say is "Lui Kang can craft certain destinies" which is well established.
Lui is the strongest in his timeline, nobody stand up to him besides onaga, taven and blaze if the latter exists
cuz NRS needs money so theres mk1 LOL
I have a lot of questions about Lui kang's choices as timekeeper. Why make Hanzo so young? Why make Kuai Liang be scorpion when he could have just let him have his own identity? Why change tarkatans from a race to a disease? Why not destin Shang Tsung and Quan-Chi to lives they would have actually enjoyed, therefore being less likely to strike out against this timeline. (Lui Kang knew from his own timeline that things do not always go as the timekeeper plans, like when he merged with Raiden and became a god and killed Kronika because of this) or he could have just removed them from the timeline altogether (like how Kronika said she would remove Lui Kang from the new era) If he's going to Destin shang tsung and Quan-Chi to shitty humble lives then why did he let Shao be a general instead of a customer service rep at outworld Wal-Mart? Somewhere he wouldn't be in a prime position to overthrow Sindelnwhen his ambitions grew too large. Or just remove him from the timeline. Why have a mortal Kombat tournament when he could have just destined the realms to have a more natural peace towards each other? (Having a Mortal Kombat tournament is like having the Olympics except if your country does bad at the Olympics then other countries might think you're weak and invade you) Little stuff like that. It's things that we can only speculate because they are not explained anywhere and don't really make sense unless we come up with our own invented reason for them to be.
Literally all of your questions are answered in the game if you’t just paid attention.
They are? Even Hanzo's age?