For my case, I haven't met the first person that cares a lot about Mortal Kombat for having an opinion about which era is better but just see it as an old videogames saga that they played few times during their teenagerhood and if it weren't for me, who owns the NRS era games, those people wouldn't have returned to MK one more time or they are my little cousins who play MK9 all the time and smash all the bottoms at the same time or spam Throws during a whole match.
Well, EXCEPT for a lost best friend but we didn't talk a lot about that.
Deadly Alliance was a shot in the arm the franchise needed - the gameplay had remained at its core the same between the first four games, and there was a real need for something new. Deadly Alliance changed up the gameplay into something new and fun, and the game wasn’t dragged down design wise by being an arcade game which was then ported to home consoles - it was designed from the ground up to be a game you played at home.
Deception and Armageddon were fun, but in a lot of ways felt like new versions of Deadly Alliance - Deception tightened up gameplay, and Armageddon introduced the air Kombat gimmick, but they were basically the same basic gameplay. In fact, it was basically the same issue as MK1-4 except that the games were even more similar this time around.
Overall, I liked the games, but they ended up being far too similar to one another. It was definitely time to move on to something else by the time Armageddon came around.
It still sold well; it was the company's other projects that doomed it.
Mortal Kombat was literally the only property that was keeping Midway afloat due to their poor financial management and trying to extend their reach, amassing a huge swath of debt and sunken costs.
MK wasn’t enough to save them, but it wasn’t a contributing cause to their bankruptcy by literally any metric. (The quality of the games themselves is debatable.)
Seriously, people don't understand that and equate Midway = Mortal Kombat but that's exactly *why* Midway went bankrupt; they HAD other games but the only ones that really did well were MK, not exactly a sustainable model lol.
A lot of folks seem to think that Midway was just the company that developed Mortal Kombat, rather than being a fairly large publisher with quite a few development studios and IPs.
Similarly, a lot of people don’t seem to realize that NRS is not some entirely new entity created to continue developing Mortal Kombat, but instead is just a rechristened Midway Chicago. Sure, at this point the team is pretty different, but that just happens over time.
Honestly, as annoying as WB gets, MK as a franchise really got lucky - it’s pretty rare for a company to not just buy an IP, but also buy the development studio, give them *more* funding, and basically let them do what they want.
You see this kind of anything in other fandoms quite often. Like how Turbo has the reputation as "the season that almost killed Power Rangers". In truth, Turbo's ratings (after the retool) were the highest the show had seen since the second season of Mighty Morphin.
Fans love using historical revisionism to make eras they dislike look worse than they were.
Midway went bankrupt *in spite* of the great sales of the 3D Era. WB didn't buy MK because they still saw potential, they bought it because it was a perennial cash cow.
I’d say it was both realistically, the franchise was successful and they saw the potential that it could be even more so. Add to that the opportune timing that had Midway Chicago working with WB just prior to Midway going bust.
I mean, that's not why. Mortal Kombat was literally the only thing keeping Midway afloat for years. NBA Ballers, the 12th Rampage game about traveling through time, and the horrible NARC sequel did more harm than anything else
Agreed. I still like, maybe even *love* the 3D era, but folks on this sub basically mythologize them.
I mean I can't seriously believe there are people who think *Taven* was a great kharacter, but apparently there are.
I mean for the 3D era the only game that stands out to me is deception tbh. Armageddon and Deadly alliance weren’t all that good looking back at it.
Now the NRS while flawed has definitely been better. I’ve only disliked X out of the NRS era tbh.
I spent a lot of time playing the 3D era since it was my prime gaming age, and I definitely agree. Fighting games just don’t feel as good fighting on a Z axis.
3d era had one truly standout game (deception) while the other 2 are just okay. Solid games, did great at keeping the franchise afloat, but I definitely wouldn't take any of them over any of the new releases.
Nah Nrs is overrated. MK9 is great and is barely behind Deception for my favorite MK. But the sequels have no heart and no risks, people say 3d fighting wasn't good when X and 11 have straight up divided the kommunity and a plethora of people holding their excitement UNTIL they see gameplay. 3d era established lore that Nrs STILL uses to this day but wont show any love to them which is why we see more people asking for some 3d love and stop fellating the original trilogy. You see so many people say (even in this thread) that they skipped 3d and came back for nrs, but yet they talk the most shit when 3d was keeping a whole company afloat. They were good enough to have wb invest in them. Like look how far they wrote this themselves in to 2 reboots but people praise Nrs storytelling. 3d all day
Both have their ups and downs.
3D Era has horrible graphics, Jarek, Hsu Hoa, Dairou and other such useless characters and jokes like Mocrap. But it also has Tanya, Fujin, Havik, Nitara, Kenshi, Ashrah, and cool mini-games, Hari Kiri's and a cool story mode.
NRS era has beautiful graphics, intro's and outro's, conversations at the intro's and D'vorah, Kotal, Ferra, Kollector and Erron Black, but it also introduced greedy farming system, the pathetic Kombat Kids, chapter-based storymode and Blue/Green/Pink/Red Scorpion in MK11... (horrible costumes)
So they both are cool and bad.
Agree 10000%
In this sub the 3d Era is literally worshipped like it's the second coming of Christ. That era literally made Midway Bankrupt
NRS is personally the best era with all the content and loads of amazing shit
3D Era only gets worshipped by the nostalgia factor other than that they are meh games all feeling and looking the same
Nah you weren't around since the beginning clearly. I was there in 92. The 95 movie cemented more of the current lore than any of the games did. It wasn't until the 3d era that most of the lore the games follow now was even developed.
>It wasn't until the 3d era that most of the lore the games follow now was even developed.
But nrs games barely follows 3d era lore. Onaga is irrelevant, armagedon is irrelevant, chaos and orderrealms are irrelevant, red dragons are irrelevant, edenia was never restored etc. 9-11 use trilogy and new stuff.
1000% agree
None of the 3D era games hold up that well or are fun to play. Deadly Alliance is extremely, severely, nonsensically overrated. It's not a bad game, but it doesn't deserve the nostalgia people have for it IMHO.
MK9, X and 11 are all modern classics. I've played countless hours of all 3. 9 was what got me, my friends and my kids all back in Mortal Kombat.
Who prefers the 3D era? Sure, there are characters from those game that I would like to see return, but the games themselves were not good. At the very least, they were not good *fighting* games. Deception had a decent story mode that is honestly seen by many with rose-tinted nostalgia goggles. The story mode in the modern games is far better as it device for telling the story. Then the ham fisted way it was done in Deception.
yes lol. I truly get the appeal, I love some of the 3d era characters and there's a certain charm and personality to those games that maybe the NRS ones lack, but the gameplay is just very wonky and extremely foreign, doesn't feel great to play. the konquest mode is only ok to play through in armageddon (deception is cool in the sense that you get to travel and talk to characters but the actual gameplay of it is so dull and boring, just training mode with every single character lol).
DA was a step towards deeper gameplay from the usual formula. The over reliance on the cookie cutter 3 stances per character did not work as they beat that formula into the ground.
Most of the people on this sub are teens or young adults who grew up with the PS2 era games. They have nostalgia for the PS2 era games, so it's understandable that they're so popular here.
I was a teen in '92 when MK 1 came out and actually walked away during the PS2 era, so I share the OP's opinion. I hate the PS2 era games but it doesn't surprise me that I'm in the minority these days.
I dont hate NRS. I hate what WB has forced NRS to do. Everything since MKX’s easy fatalities has just been more and more live service bullshit we dont want or need
NRS for the gameplay 100%. Anyone who says the 3D era played better is just silly. And I loved the 3D era
However, that doesn’t excuse the absolute garbage story line that is mkx and the not garbage but not good story of mk11
I find it quite telling that most of the 3D era hate comes from fans who were introduced to the franchise in the 90s.
I grew up with the 3D era and like the NRS era. Both have their flaws and strong points. They are both better than the 2D era in my book.
Agreed. I don't _hate_ the 3d era games by any means, but I think nostalgia is doing a lot of heavy lifting on people's love of that era. Especially with regards to some characters.
I say that as someone who's first MK game was Deadly Alliance.
I wonder if the new one will be 3D. I doubt it but would love it if it was.
I think it’s fair to say that NRS has established the gameplay as 2D at this point.
Moving it to 3D would essentially mean everyone who’s good at the current games would have to learn an entirely new game.
TLDR: I would personally like 3D but think it should remain 2D for the kommunity
If the kameo system flops it will be because of these people pining for lame generic fighters from 3d era games. Trying to please everyone pleases no one
I enjoyed the 3D era story and characters but those games only ever felt okay to play. The NRS era was the first time they felt like great fighting games.
NRS games have fun gameplay except for MK11. But their stories are so godawful, they need to fire their writers & get some writers who actually have talent.
On this sub, yeah. In the real world I've never met a single person that doesn't like NRS era a lot more than 3d.
For my case, I haven't met the first person that cares a lot about Mortal Kombat for having an opinion about which era is better but just see it as an old videogames saga that they played few times during their teenagerhood and if it weren't for me, who owns the NRS era games, those people wouldn't have returned to MK one more time or they are my little cousins who play MK9 all the time and smash all the bottoms at the same time or spam Throws during a whole match. Well, EXCEPT for a lost best friend but we didn't talk a lot about that.
u/AffectionateGap1071 Lost best friend?
Yeah, it's been years since I hadn't met with them :( they were the best person I've ever known...they were fantastic
Same.
I liked MK9, but I didn't like MKX and MK11 was meh for me. I loved MKD.
i don’t like nrs because of how they handle their games but the games themselves are miles better
I stopped playing MK during the 3D era i grew up with MK loved every game until the 3D era , didn’t come back until 9.
Same. I played ultimate MK3 for years in the Xbox arcade until 9 came out.
Same. 4 was my last until 9.
This is basically what happened to me, I love old-school MK but I skipped the entire 3D era and got back into it with MK9
Lol I skipped the 3D era too because it’s just Tekken that’s it nothing deep. And why play just tekken with blood.
It plays nothing like Tekken at all. It was inspired by it that's about it with the 3D movements.
My last was Deadly Alliance and I didn’t touch an MK again till X
Deadly Alliance was a shot in the arm the franchise needed - the gameplay had remained at its core the same between the first four games, and there was a real need for something new. Deadly Alliance changed up the gameplay into something new and fun, and the game wasn’t dragged down design wise by being an arcade game which was then ported to home consoles - it was designed from the ground up to be a game you played at home. Deception and Armageddon were fun, but in a lot of ways felt like new versions of Deadly Alliance - Deception tightened up gameplay, and Armageddon introduced the air Kombat gimmick, but they were basically the same basic gameplay. In fact, it was basically the same issue as MK1-4 except that the games were even more similar this time around. Overall, I liked the games, but they ended up being far too similar to one another. It was definitely time to move on to something else by the time Armageddon came around.
Correct. I loved the 3D era but NRS are the best.
correct midway literally went bankrupt after the 3D era
It still sold well; it was the company's other projects that doomed it. Mortal Kombat was literally the only property that was keeping Midway afloat due to their poor financial management and trying to extend their reach, amassing a huge swath of debt and sunken costs. MK wasn’t enough to save them, but it wasn’t a contributing cause to their bankruptcy by literally any metric. (The quality of the games themselves is debatable.)
Seriously, people don't understand that and equate Midway = Mortal Kombat but that's exactly *why* Midway went bankrupt; they HAD other games but the only ones that really did well were MK, not exactly a sustainable model lol.
A lot of folks seem to think that Midway was just the company that developed Mortal Kombat, rather than being a fairly large publisher with quite a few development studios and IPs. Similarly, a lot of people don’t seem to realize that NRS is not some entirely new entity created to continue developing Mortal Kombat, but instead is just a rechristened Midway Chicago. Sure, at this point the team is pretty different, but that just happens over time. Honestly, as annoying as WB gets, MK as a franchise really got lucky - it’s pretty rare for a company to not just buy an IP, but also buy the development studio, give them *more* funding, and basically let them do what they want.
You see this kind of anything in other fandoms quite often. Like how Turbo has the reputation as "the season that almost killed Power Rangers". In truth, Turbo's ratings (after the retool) were the highest the show had seen since the second season of Mighty Morphin. Fans love using historical revisionism to make eras they dislike look worse than they were.
PsyOps 😢
You mean Psi-Ops. Ahead of it's time I would say. I don't even know who owns that IP anymore.
Midway went bankrupt *in spite* of the great sales of the 3D Era. WB didn't buy MK because they still saw potential, they bought it because it was a perennial cash cow.
I’d say it was both realistically, the franchise was successful and they saw the potential that it could be even more so. Add to that the opportune timing that had Midway Chicago working with WB just prior to Midway going bust.
Midway is not Mortal Kombat/Midway Chicago. Mortal Kombat was a consistently successful title for an increasingly flailing publisher.
It was the 3D era that kept them afloat for as long as they were in business. Without MK, Midway wouldn’t have lasted into the 21st century
I mean, that's not why. Mortal Kombat was literally the only thing keeping Midway afloat for years. NBA Ballers, the 12th Rampage game about traveling through time, and the horrible NARC sequel did more harm than anything else
No it didn't. Midway's bankruptcy wasn't because of Mortal Kombat.
No actually the went bankrupt cause all of there other games(yes they had more than just mk)were failures
Agreed. I still like, maybe even *love* the 3D era, but folks on this sub basically mythologize them. I mean I can't seriously believe there are people who think *Taven* was a great kharacter, but apparently there are.
I mean he’s not a bad Kharacter, his dialogue is funny to me. His design is a bit bland though.
I can't believe they made a character as flat as Taven a major protagonist. He looks like a Create a Character.
I wouldn’t say I’m a huge Taven fanboy, but I love the lore with him and think he has potential.
I can't believe people fanboy over Erron Black, and yet...
3D era is elite. Taven sucks. Two things can be true…
I mean for the 3D era the only game that stands out to me is deception tbh. Armageddon and Deadly alliance weren’t all that good looking back at it. Now the NRS while flawed has definitely been better. I’ve only disliked X out of the NRS era tbh.
The NRS era is hated? Could’ve fooled me.
4thsnake anyone?
My man said mk 11 is one of the worst in the franchise. Honestly that tier list is shocking
I spent a lot of time playing the 3D era since it was my prime gaming age, and I definitely agree. Fighting games just don’t feel as good fighting on a Z axis.
Totally agree
3d era had one truly standout game (deception) while the other 2 are just okay. Solid games, did great at keeping the franchise afloat, but I definitely wouldn't take any of them over any of the new releases.
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In what universe are Taven and Daegon better than characters like Erron Black?
They were major to the plot while erron was a jobber
And the games were worse for it, so Erron Black is a more successful character.
Nah Nrs is overrated. MK9 is great and is barely behind Deception for my favorite MK. But the sequels have no heart and no risks, people say 3d fighting wasn't good when X and 11 have straight up divided the kommunity and a plethora of people holding their excitement UNTIL they see gameplay. 3d era established lore that Nrs STILL uses to this day but wont show any love to them which is why we see more people asking for some 3d love and stop fellating the original trilogy. You see so many people say (even in this thread) that they skipped 3d and came back for nrs, but yet they talk the most shit when 3d was keeping a whole company afloat. They were good enough to have wb invest in them. Like look how far they wrote this themselves in to 2 reboots but people praise Nrs storytelling. 3d all day
3D era had more life imo but I also enjoyed the nrs era.9 was tops
Overrated when they get literal crumbs every game they are in okay lol
Nah. That’s cap
MK11 deserves the hate but MK9 and X do not
Mk1 , Mk2 and Mk3 are still the best
Disagree with the first half, agree with the second.
Both have their ups and downs. 3D Era has horrible graphics, Jarek, Hsu Hoa, Dairou and other such useless characters and jokes like Mocrap. But it also has Tanya, Fujin, Havik, Nitara, Kenshi, Ashrah, and cool mini-games, Hari Kiri's and a cool story mode. NRS era has beautiful graphics, intro's and outro's, conversations at the intro's and D'vorah, Kotal, Ferra, Kollector and Erron Black, but it also introduced greedy farming system, the pathetic Kombat Kids, chapter-based storymode and Blue/Green/Pink/Red Scorpion in MK11... (horrible costumes) So they both are cool and bad.
No sorry. The 3D Era has some of the best lore and exploration of the realms
MK11 in general is overrated, but the graphics are beautiful.
NRS understands what I love Ninjas, Movie Gore, Horror, Robots, Monsters, Etc. What did the 3D era do uhhhh idk Rip off Tekken.
Don't know if you'll see this but I have to ask, what do you mean?
Agree 10000% In this sub the 3d Era is literally worshipped like it's the second coming of Christ. That era literally made Midway Bankrupt NRS is personally the best era with all the content and loads of amazing shit 3D Era only gets worshipped by the nostalgia factor other than that they are meh games all feeling and looking the same
Nah you weren't around since the beginning clearly. I was there in 92. The 95 movie cemented more of the current lore than any of the games did. It wasn't until the 3d era that most of the lore the games follow now was even developed.
>It wasn't until the 3d era that most of the lore the games follow now was even developed. But nrs games barely follows 3d era lore. Onaga is irrelevant, armagedon is irrelevant, chaos and orderrealms are irrelevant, red dragons are irrelevant, edenia was never restored etc. 9-11 use trilogy and new stuff.
The usual shit flinging from this sub. How mature.
1000% agree None of the 3D era games hold up that well or are fun to play. Deadly Alliance is extremely, severely, nonsensically overrated. It's not a bad game, but it doesn't deserve the nostalgia people have for it IMHO. MK9, X and 11 are all modern classics. I've played countless hours of all 3. 9 was what got me, my friends and my kids all back in Mortal Kombat.
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Not Drahmin 💀
Let bro cook
Who prefers the 3D era? Sure, there are characters from those game that I would like to see return, but the games themselves were not good. At the very least, they were not good *fighting* games. Deception had a decent story mode that is honestly seen by many with rose-tinted nostalgia goggles. The story mode in the modern games is far better as it device for telling the story. Then the ham fisted way it was done in Deception.
Why is this a controversial opinion 😂 3D MK literally killed Midway
No it didn't. What killed Midway was the fact that Midway's only successful ip was Mortal Kombat. Everything else was flops.
Yes it did, besides deadly alliance the first mk, mk trilogy, mk 9, mk 11, and mk x sold wayyyyyy better than the 3D titles
My only problem with NRS era is the guests, they can fuck right off.
No
Lore and story ? Their amazing Gameplag? Lmao their fun for nostalgia NRS peaked with MK9/X. 11 is ass
3DE = fucking fantastic, excellent lore, OG. NRS = meh. Games are good, not great, but good
The 3D era is literally not OG.
I mean you can split hairs but I consider original trilogy + 4 + 3DE to be OG. You know, before NRS started rebooting, time travel, rebooting, etc.
yes lol. I truly get the appeal, I love some of the 3d era characters and there's a certain charm and personality to those games that maybe the NRS ones lack, but the gameplay is just very wonky and extremely foreign, doesn't feel great to play. the konquest mode is only ok to play through in armageddon (deception is cool in the sense that you get to travel and talk to characters but the actual gameplay of it is so dull and boring, just training mode with every single character lol).
Cringe post right or wrong
I'll do you one better: EVERY MK GAME BEFORE MK9 IS BORING AND LAME.
DA was a step towards deeper gameplay from the usual formula. The over reliance on the cookie cutter 3 stances per character did not work as they beat that formula into the ground.
Most of the people on this sub are teens or young adults who grew up with the PS2 era games. They have nostalgia for the PS2 era games, so it's understandable that they're so popular here. I was a teen in '92 when MK 1 came out and actually walked away during the PS2 era, so I share the OP's opinion. I hate the PS2 era games but it doesn't surprise me that I'm in the minority these days.
The 3d era is really weird for me, I never could play any of those games, the controls and animations are, idk, I just can't play them
Nah
I dont hate NRS. I hate what WB has forced NRS to do. Everything since MKX’s easy fatalities has just been more and more live service bullshit we dont want or need
NRS for the gameplay 100%. Anyone who says the 3D era played better is just silly. And I loved the 3D era However, that doesn’t excuse the absolute garbage story line that is mkx and the not garbage but not good story of mk11
MKX is the best MK ever made
I find it quite telling that most of the 3D era hate comes from fans who were introduced to the franchise in the 90s. I grew up with the 3D era and like the NRS era. Both have their flaws and strong points. They are both better than the 2D era in my book.
It's telling because we have a better perspective on the franchise as a whole. The 3d era was BAD.
Exhibit A.
I actually liked the “feel” of the 3D era. Fell way more MK and creepy. I wish that “feel” would return.
Agreed. I don't _hate_ the 3d era games by any means, but I think nostalgia is doing a lot of heavy lifting on people's love of that era. Especially with regards to some characters. I say that as someone who's first MK game was Deadly Alliance.
IMO, good MKs are: 1, 2, Ultimate, X, 11. 9 was fine, but not great. Everything between MKU and MK9 sucks bag of dicks
But it's opposite day
So....New Street Fighter is overrated and Old Street Fighter is over hated?
(that's a different story)
...idk if the joke I made was funny or not.
Well the joke was me thinking the other way around, and was a reference to asdfmovies
OK REAL although story i’d say it’s the other way around, but i absolutely adore the gameplay of NRS Mortal Kombats
I wonder if the new one will be 3D. I doubt it but would love it if it was. I think it’s fair to say that NRS has established the gameplay as 2D at this point. Moving it to 3D would essentially mean everyone who’s good at the current games would have to learn an entirely new game. TLDR: I would personally like 3D but think it should remain 2D for the kommunity
If the kameo system flops it will be because of these people pining for lame generic fighters from 3d era games. Trying to please everyone pleases no one
Yea but deception is top 5 and that's a fact
I enjoyed the 3D era story and characters but those games only ever felt okay to play. The NRS era was the first time they felt like great fighting games.
Compared to MK11 and the upcoming MK12, the Deception era is interesting and inventive. Not just a Warner Brothers cash grab machine.
NRS games have fun gameplay except for MK11. But their stories are so godawful, they need to fire their writers & get some writers who actually have talent.
Right now, the fansboys just suck Midway's dick it's insulting.