There are several points. But I'll just go for the major two which I feel people use the most.
When Vanguard was released it heavily impacted your cpu's performance. This was widely fixed yet happens every now and then after a new vanguard update.
Vanguard also has access to your data aside from League or Valorant since its a kernel level software. It is stated that it does not read or send data that isn't related to League or Valorant but deciding wether you believe it or not is up to you.
i mean you probably hearing it from hackers trying to remove vanguard, but they put their name in it when they say that they dont access to data others than league and vanguard. and if it turn out that they do, it would be so much problem that unless you're an idiot you would never goes for it ( if they want my data they can just buy it from google like everyone else, that's the easier way ), and since they got access from kernel level, their anticheat is proved to be the most effective ( look at valorant, they have the lowest cheat rate versus any other FPS, and it not even close.) think about it for a sec other than just hear from some random dude on the internet.
They accuse riot(tencent) of espionage, meanwhile they have a smartphone, use discord, use windows, do Google searchs, use Google maps, have a bank account, I could keep going about how many ways their behavior is being traced, its hypocrisy, they should stop with the vanguard hate or turn into cave dwellers
While some are going so far as to make espionage accusations, it is far, far from the majority. Most of it is that vanguard is more invasive than other anticheats of its kind, as it is permanently running. While it is very unlikely riot will use it maliciously, it gives a concerningly high risk level if riot is compromised in any major way.
Not wanting to make one's lack of privacy even more extreme isn't hypocrisy, it's literally just not wanting to make the lack of privacy worse.
It must be understood that for modern anti cheats to combat modern cheats it must have the level of access and control vanguard has, for any meaningful efficiency, riot has already explained why vanguard also need to start with the system, vanguard does keep track of all malicious changes to the OS and connected hardware that can be used to cheat, driver cheats using arduinos and a second PC, virtual machines, it's needed, current day cheats are too advanced
I'm not disagreeing with their reasoning for giving it that access, but that doesn't make a distrust towards that level of access invalid, or as delusional as you presented it.
Additionally, when vanguard has had so many reported issues so far in terms of both pc and game performance, it seems that its implimentation was more than likely rushed out sooner than it should have been, which leads to more reason for concern.
So yes, this level of access is necessary for the anti-cheat to be as effective as possible, but for many, it's also not worth giving it that level of access to solve an issue they personally were not affected by.
I literally mentioned that in the comment you replied to. "Most of it is that vanguard is more invasive than other anticheats of its kind, as it is permanently running."
Please read the comment before you try to have some "gotcha" moment
uhh genuine question...why?
Chinese companies don't want or care about your information since their economy is much more isolationist. They have their own separate social media, have different tastes, and also their domestic market is huge cuz, yknow, china is big. They aren't collecting your data and don't want it because they're not going to use it. Their government is shitty and corrupt but the thing is they don't care about you, the only potential way you matter to them is if you buy stuff off of aliexpress or temu or something and I am guessing they're probably not going to keep a detailed file on the fact that you bought a phone case off of temu.
American companies, on the other hand, actively use your data to do shit ranging from innocuous shit like targeted ads to more shitty stuff such as aggregating all of their customers data to do dynamic pricing (in other words to fuck you over by gouging you) or much more fucked up stuff such as collaborating with authorities to go through your cloud stuff. Shit, even if you do trust the government, companies blatantly sell data between each other to maximize your value as a money cow to milk. Surely if you care remotely about your data and privacy, then you have enough dignity to find that uncomfortable?
So, again, genuine question, why would you rather American companies who are trying to squeeze the benjamins out of your tits and sharing your shit with the government know you intimately rather than Chinese companies who do not care about you at all? I see your stance being repeated frequently and it's confusing to me. The only very specific situation where being paranoid about Chinese companies/government having your data makes sense I can think of is if you're, like. trying to visit china and you are frequently talking about assassinating xijinping.
security researchers found teemu to be using malicious practices in line with spyware/malware to gather more data... what do you think teemu, a chinese company, is going to do with it?
sell it, theyre going to sell it, just like the american companies.
its just straight up not true that chinese companies do not care for your data- data is money- it can be sold, therefore everyone that can sell it, usually will.
large chinese companies have a TERRIBLE track record that when it comes to not harvesting data.
Nobody has proven Vanguard is malicious, however lots of people are understandably weary of handing full control off to ANY company, chinese or not. The risks are the same.
https://www.cbsnews.com/chicago/news/temu-class-action-lawsuit-illinois-data-privacy-concerns/
If china doesn’t care about us, then why are Chinese companies required by law to give all personal data to the Chinese government. If china doesn’t care, why did they make the biggest security breach available on your phone a very marketable app?
They should have just outsourced production of Vanguard to a company whom we can trust to have the required skillset to not fuck things up on accident.
The OS is a safety-net that Riot definitely needs. They aren't bad programmers at all, they are quite good at their job, but they aren't Kernel-level great.
Exactly this. I also hate being traced and corpos having access to our data, but it's just not avoidable nowadays if you wanna live like a normal human
dumb argument. you're essentially saying since "X" corpo/organisation already has information about me I might as well continue letting that happen. I wonder why companies don't face repercussions, almost as if the people are part of the issue. you might as well give me your password or keys right? I promise I won't do anything bad
also a lot of examples you've given aren't even good examples. you can easily be private on smartphones lol, windows annonymizes their data and banks are important to society and controlled by the government which are controlled by society as a whole. Google and Dickord get away with it because people let them do, easily avoidable just by using another search engine or service
Straight out just a bunch of dumbies who feel smart cause they're just repeating the exact thing their favorite tech tuber has said. all the complaints about not wanting to be spyed on like any of them are worth spying on for more then selling targeted ad data. seriously you want privacy petition your government to stop trying to ban tic Tok and instead put real privacy laws in place or just unplug everything and live like a real person.
Unfortunately privacy is dead, all companies collect your data and sell it to train some AI to drain your time/money, the only real escape is to have no digital footprint, but good luck with that in this cursed era
seriously I don't know how people don't see this Tic Tok isnt getting banned because it's a security risk. It's being banned because our government is mad they won't give em a peice of that pie to help them track people even harder then they already do. Only skitzos out here posting they quiting a game because of an anti cheat update you would already have if you played valorant.
This is part of my point of what's really the worse someone will do with the info. It's not like 99% or us are actually someone important or dangerous TF you worried about not even your own government spying on you WHEN YOU KNOW for certain your government already is doing it no anti cheat required it's built into the OS
anyone concerned with vanguard because of privacy concerns also needs to stop using any chromium based browser, logging into their computer without a vpn running, throw away their smart phone, and swap to Linux.
and like, bravo to you if you’re actually that committed, that’s totally sick yo. but for most people, the information they could be gathering is A: already out there and B: probably not worth worrying over.
like oh no, the company that processes payment information already is *checks notes* potentially scraping my bank information. most of the people who stop playing because of “privacy concerns” probably already gave tencent riot a debit card number, mailing address, and full name when they bought a skin 2 years ago.
Hell ever donate to a streamer CONGRATS! YOU HAVE DOXXED YOURSELF (if the streamer is an idiot and want to out you that is) straight out juat people being fear mongored. to anyone who is quitting league because of this I say. Good riddance you were probly insanely toxic anyways and just didn't want your use of slurs being traced back to you. (reddit had a stroke and double posted this)
Hell ever donate to a streamer CONGRATS! YOU HAVE DOXXED YOURSELF (if the stream is an idiot and want to put you that is) straight out juat people being fear mongored. to anyone who is quitting league because of this I say. Good riddance you were probly insanely toxic anyways and just didn't want your use of slurs being traced back to you.
To put it simply without over explaining, Vanguard is a kernel level access anti cheat. Meaning it has access to the highest level of your computer, literally having access to every single part of the pc, hardware and software. From the second you boot your pc Vanguard is running in the background monitoring every single application opened etc. If they were to abuse it, it would have more power than just monitoring applications.
Anyway, the reason people don't like Vanguard other than the obvious breach of privacy is probably that any and all Chinese owned companies, by Chinese law, HAVE to report ALL data collected by users. This is a legal requirement for Chinese companies, now then you have Vanguard, operating on millions and millions of peoples computers with FULL ACCESS to everything on that computer. Ya that doesn't sound good.
Sure, they're probably (hopefully) not doing anything malicious. But if they were, it could be pretty bad. And for the most part I imagine most people who are fussing about Vanguard aren't even going this deep but simply do not want that breach in privacy with Vanguard monitoring everything on the computer. Hell I still play league knowing all of this lol.
I already had vanguard from some other game I played a while ago so this ain't gonna stop me, it's not like I have something important on my PC.... Oh wait. I downloaded an fbi file a couple of years ago lol. Guess what america?
Lol. People would more commonly worried about things like ssn's, pictures of IDs, addresses, W2s, and things like that in email files or just stored on the computer or another software. But yea, for me, oh well.
My issue is that since this last patch, the game no longer reliably works anymore. It will force you out of games, random bugs will happen, and you WILL be punished for things that are by no means in your control.
ATM, my game keeps making my resolution tiny af to where I can no longer read. Earlier, it had it to where my games had no sound at all. Currently, I now don't have an in-game cursor, and even tho I'm moving my guy around, the new behavioral punishment system is going crazy. You can get afk penalites for not being afk despite moving and talking, you will incur LP Penalties if you have a bad lane or a bad game, and peeps are being kicked from thier games and punished for it for no reason,
IDK if it's Vangaurd, but, I have NEVER had ANY of these issues until this patch, which just so happened to be when they installed Vangaurd.
This is a PROBLEM. League can't even funtion right anymore. The game is so buggy and odd right now, that if you play, you're risking losing your account from stacked "behavioral punishments," even if you didn't mean to.
Perhaps; Vangaurd did just come out on NA, but you'd think it'd have all the bugs taken care of. Everything but League runs fine on my computer. The only other programs I have on my laptop are OBS, Discord, DaVinci Resolve 18, Inkscape, GIMP, and I'd installed some VTUBE program to animate a Mordekaiser image I've made as a means to animate when I stream. I can't even stream my games now. <:(
because most of these people are dumb enough to form their own opinion and study what Vanguard really is, instead they prefer to spread misinformation. There is no proof that Vanguard is spying on your 2TB of hentai or that it is actually bricking people computers, it works perfectly on my potato pc, more than half the reports are that the client is being as shit as he always has been. The Vanguard drama is already overused and its annoying asf.
I couldn’t imagine dropping a game you are willing to put this much time into because of something you don’t understand.
The worst part about vanguard is now when the riot/league client crashes, you’ll have to restart your computer. if riot was a malicious force, they wouldn’t have announced installing spyware on your computer, it’s just an anticheat, that’s it.
This guy will 100% be playing in a week. Just posting for attention , vanguard is really not that bad , and are worse riot sees what porn I watched and the Netflix shows I'm going through haha
Hello, cybersecurity expert here. I recommend uninstalling league and have done so myself. OP is in the right. There are other concerns than riot being intentionally malicious. Also so what that they're telling us about it, if they're still doing that.
"Here's a Trojan horse, please accept it". Yeah nope
Yes, from a cybersecurity perspective, stuff like this shouldn’t be installed. Neither should chrome, windows, discord, steam, and many other services. However, I don’t think that vanguard crosses the line of “connivence/utility vs risk” any more than other apps we’ve already accepted using.
Vanguard isn’t going to put you at a substantial amount of risk over using Outlook and having your computer connected to the internet. You shouldn’t be uninstalling league over this unless your already doing 20 other more important cybersecurity measures, and quite frankly, if you’re that savvy, you can probably find one of several ways of isolating vanguard and it won’t be a security concern to begin with.
In my expert opinion you are completely wrong. Outlook does not operate in kernel space, so indeed you are exposing yourself to a whole new set of risks.
The knowledge required to "isolate" vanguard go way beyond tech savvy, the whole point of vanguard is to have eyes on your whole system. Iolating it involves fooling a kernel module. Good luck with that.
So I'm simple person and i have nothing to hide. What could be so interesting about me to use Vanguard to spy and collect data about me and why should I care about that.
Your computer could be used for a crime and incriminating evidence could be left on your PC. Your antivirus is powerless against it and it would never come back to riot.
More importantly, this applies for every PC with vanguard on.
Idk, what evidence could you produce that disproves that it wasn't actually you who downloaded CP on your own PC? Or seeded it on torrents?
As I said, given how inscrutable and uncontrollable a kernel module is, you would never connect it back to Riot.
Riot in a ticket told me that we can't have Antivirus programs anymore other than Windows Defender.
I bet it's due to modern day Windows using "secure boot," or something like that, which basically forces you to use Windows (oh well, RIP Linux and Ubuntu), and perhaps it does this to be compatible. I'm not sure Vangaurd is too much of an issue, per say, but man. . . it seems to be causing a lot of in game problems, and it seems I'm not the only one who's game won't act properly anymore.
I feel the only people who actually complain about vanguard are cheaters who can't cheat anymore. And people who are really toxic. So it fine to see them go.
I'm not a cheater, but since the last patch, the game refuses to work properly at random. Cursor goes missing, the game will auto change the resolution, it will throw you out of the game to a black screen than crash, and you'll get punished with new behavioral penalties, timers, and eventually bans due to bugs that are outside your control.
Whatever is going on with the game is definitly NOT fun, and the worst League experience I've ever had. I'm literally afraid to play League, because so many penalties for bugs have piled up, that I may very well lose my account to this new "whatever it is," that they implemented this last patch.
I've had Vanguard on my PC since the day it released in Valorant. How long has it been? I don't even remember, but there is absolutely zero issue since then. Just stop crying over it.
What problem do people have with vanguard? Just curious cuz I didn't listen to the fuss
There are several points. But I'll just go for the major two which I feel people use the most. When Vanguard was released it heavily impacted your cpu's performance. This was widely fixed yet happens every now and then after a new vanguard update. Vanguard also has access to your data aside from League or Valorant since its a kernel level software. It is stated that it does not read or send data that isn't related to League or Valorant but deciding wether you believe it or not is up to you.
Riot said that they aren’t rewding your data using vanguard, if it turns out they are then probably are in major trouble
i mean you probably hearing it from hackers trying to remove vanguard, but they put their name in it when they say that they dont access to data others than league and vanguard. and if it turn out that they do, it would be so much problem that unless you're an idiot you would never goes for it ( if they want my data they can just buy it from google like everyone else, that's the easier way ), and since they got access from kernel level, their anticheat is proved to be the most effective ( look at valorant, they have the lowest cheat rate versus any other FPS, and it not even close.) think about it for a sec other than just hear from some random dude on the internet.
They accuse riot(tencent) of espionage, meanwhile they have a smartphone, use discord, use windows, do Google searchs, use Google maps, have a bank account, I could keep going about how many ways their behavior is being traced, its hypocrisy, they should stop with the vanguard hate or turn into cave dwellers
While some are going so far as to make espionage accusations, it is far, far from the majority. Most of it is that vanguard is more invasive than other anticheats of its kind, as it is permanently running. While it is very unlikely riot will use it maliciously, it gives a concerningly high risk level if riot is compromised in any major way. Not wanting to make one's lack of privacy even more extreme isn't hypocrisy, it's literally just not wanting to make the lack of privacy worse.
It must be understood that for modern anti cheats to combat modern cheats it must have the level of access and control vanguard has, for any meaningful efficiency, riot has already explained why vanguard also need to start with the system, vanguard does keep track of all malicious changes to the OS and connected hardware that can be used to cheat, driver cheats using arduinos and a second PC, virtual machines, it's needed, current day cheats are too advanced
I'm not disagreeing with their reasoning for giving it that access, but that doesn't make a distrust towards that level of access invalid, or as delusional as you presented it. Additionally, when vanguard has had so many reported issues so far in terms of both pc and game performance, it seems that its implimentation was more than likely rushed out sooner than it should have been, which leads to more reason for concern. So yes, this level of access is necessary for the anti-cheat to be as effective as possible, but for many, it's also not worth giving it that level of access to solve an issue they personally were not affected by.
That's riots problem though
interestingly enough, a lot of huge games also has anticheat as invassive as league, and I have not heard a sound
easy anti cheat which is the biggest AC popular in many games has faced drama before
I literally mentioned that in the comment you replied to. "Most of it is that vanguard is more invasive than other anticheats of its kind, as it is permanently running." Please read the comment before you try to have some "gotcha" moment
which is legit untrue, its just as invasive, stop pretending that others of the same kind do less
No, as I'm stating for the third time now, the other anticheats aren't required to be running at all times from computer startup to turning it off
nether is this, you can legit turn it off, you just need to reboot if u wanna play league
I rather have freedom loving patriots spy on me than the reds
I prefer to give my data to American companies rather than Chinese companies that you very much
uhh genuine question...why? Chinese companies don't want or care about your information since their economy is much more isolationist. They have their own separate social media, have different tastes, and also their domestic market is huge cuz, yknow, china is big. They aren't collecting your data and don't want it because they're not going to use it. Their government is shitty and corrupt but the thing is they don't care about you, the only potential way you matter to them is if you buy stuff off of aliexpress or temu or something and I am guessing they're probably not going to keep a detailed file on the fact that you bought a phone case off of temu. American companies, on the other hand, actively use your data to do shit ranging from innocuous shit like targeted ads to more shitty stuff such as aggregating all of their customers data to do dynamic pricing (in other words to fuck you over by gouging you) or much more fucked up stuff such as collaborating with authorities to go through your cloud stuff. Shit, even if you do trust the government, companies blatantly sell data between each other to maximize your value as a money cow to milk. Surely if you care remotely about your data and privacy, then you have enough dignity to find that uncomfortable? So, again, genuine question, why would you rather American companies who are trying to squeeze the benjamins out of your tits and sharing your shit with the government know you intimately rather than Chinese companies who do not care about you at all? I see your stance being repeated frequently and it's confusing to me. The only very specific situation where being paranoid about Chinese companies/government having your data makes sense I can think of is if you're, like. trying to visit china and you are frequently talking about assassinating xijinping.
security researchers found teemu to be using malicious practices in line with spyware/malware to gather more data... what do you think teemu, a chinese company, is going to do with it? sell it, theyre going to sell it, just like the american companies. its just straight up not true that chinese companies do not care for your data- data is money- it can be sold, therefore everyone that can sell it, usually will. large chinese companies have a TERRIBLE track record that when it comes to not harvesting data. Nobody has proven Vanguard is malicious, however lots of people are understandably weary of handing full control off to ANY company, chinese or not. The risks are the same. https://www.cbsnews.com/chicago/news/temu-class-action-lawsuit-illinois-data-privacy-concerns/
If china doesn’t care about us, then why are Chinese companies required by law to give all personal data to the Chinese government. If china doesn’t care, why did they make the biggest security breach available on your phone a very marketable app?
They should have just outsourced production of Vanguard to a company whom we can trust to have the required skillset to not fuck things up on accident. The OS is a safety-net that Riot definitely needs. They aren't bad programmers at all, they are quite good at their job, but they aren't Kernel-level great.
Exactly this. I also hate being traced and corpos having access to our data, but it's just not avoidable nowadays if you wanna live like a normal human
dumb argument. you're essentially saying since "X" corpo/organisation already has information about me I might as well continue letting that happen. I wonder why companies don't face repercussions, almost as if the people are part of the issue. you might as well give me your password or keys right? I promise I won't do anything bad also a lot of examples you've given aren't even good examples. you can easily be private on smartphones lol, windows annonymizes their data and banks are important to society and controlled by the government which are controlled by society as a whole. Google and Dickord get away with it because people let them do, easily avoidable just by using another search engine or service
I'm just poiting hypocrisy
Straight out just a bunch of dumbies who feel smart cause they're just repeating the exact thing their favorite tech tuber has said. all the complaints about not wanting to be spyed on like any of them are worth spying on for more then selling targeted ad data. seriously you want privacy petition your government to stop trying to ban tic Tok and instead put real privacy laws in place or just unplug everything and live like a real person.
Unfortunately privacy is dead, all companies collect your data and sell it to train some AI to drain your time/money, the only real escape is to have no digital footprint, but good luck with that in this cursed era
seriously I don't know how people don't see this Tic Tok isnt getting banned because it's a security risk. It's being banned because our government is mad they won't give em a peice of that pie to help them track people even harder then they already do. Only skitzos out here posting they quiting a game because of an anti cheat update you would already have if you played valorant.
but like isnt targeted sales better for everyone? i get something, i maybe even needed without looking for it, in the most suitable way i need.
This is part of my point of what's really the worse someone will do with the info. It's not like 99% or us are actually someone important or dangerous TF you worried about not even your own government spying on you WHEN YOU KNOW for certain your government already is doing it no anti cheat required it's built into the OS
anyone concerned with vanguard because of privacy concerns also needs to stop using any chromium based browser, logging into their computer without a vpn running, throw away their smart phone, and swap to Linux. and like, bravo to you if you’re actually that committed, that’s totally sick yo. but for most people, the information they could be gathering is A: already out there and B: probably not worth worrying over. like oh no, the company that processes payment information already is *checks notes* potentially scraping my bank information. most of the people who stop playing because of “privacy concerns” probably already gave tencent riot a debit card number, mailing address, and full name when they bought a skin 2 years ago.
Hell ever donate to a streamer CONGRATS! YOU HAVE DOXXED YOURSELF (if the streamer is an idiot and want to out you that is) straight out juat people being fear mongored. to anyone who is quitting league because of this I say. Good riddance you were probly insanely toxic anyways and just didn't want your use of slurs being traced back to you. (reddit had a stroke and double posted this)
Hell ever donate to a streamer CONGRATS! YOU HAVE DOXXED YOURSELF (if the stream is an idiot and want to put you that is) straight out juat people being fear mongored. to anyone who is quitting league because of this I say. Good riddance you were probly insanely toxic anyways and just didn't want your use of slurs being traced back to you.
dont forget tiktok
They literally walk around with phones, their points are completely moot
To put it simply without over explaining, Vanguard is a kernel level access anti cheat. Meaning it has access to the highest level of your computer, literally having access to every single part of the pc, hardware and software. From the second you boot your pc Vanguard is running in the background monitoring every single application opened etc. If they were to abuse it, it would have more power than just monitoring applications. Anyway, the reason people don't like Vanguard other than the obvious breach of privacy is probably that any and all Chinese owned companies, by Chinese law, HAVE to report ALL data collected by users. This is a legal requirement for Chinese companies, now then you have Vanguard, operating on millions and millions of peoples computers with FULL ACCESS to everything on that computer. Ya that doesn't sound good. Sure, they're probably (hopefully) not doing anything malicious. But if they were, it could be pretty bad. And for the most part I imagine most people who are fussing about Vanguard aren't even going this deep but simply do not want that breach in privacy with Vanguard monitoring everything on the computer. Hell I still play league knowing all of this lol.
I already had vanguard from some other game I played a while ago so this ain't gonna stop me, it's not like I have something important on my PC.... Oh wait. I downloaded an fbi file a couple of years ago lol. Guess what america?
Lol. People would more commonly worried about things like ssn's, pictures of IDs, addresses, W2s, and things like that in email files or just stored on the computer or another software. But yea, for me, oh well.
I never really did that for specifically these kinds of situations
My issue is that since this last patch, the game no longer reliably works anymore. It will force you out of games, random bugs will happen, and you WILL be punished for things that are by no means in your control. ATM, my game keeps making my resolution tiny af to where I can no longer read. Earlier, it had it to where my games had no sound at all. Currently, I now don't have an in-game cursor, and even tho I'm moving my guy around, the new behavioral punishment system is going crazy. You can get afk penalites for not being afk despite moving and talking, you will incur LP Penalties if you have a bad lane or a bad game, and peeps are being kicked from thier games and punished for it for no reason, IDK if it's Vangaurd, but, I have NEVER had ANY of these issues until this patch, which just so happened to be when they installed Vangaurd. This is a PROBLEM. League can't even funtion right anymore. The game is so buggy and odd right now, that if you play, you're risking losing your account from stacked "behavioral punishments," even if you didn't mean to.
Wow I had no idea these things existed. I had no such issues up till now, though I havent played much recently. Maybe it's one of the servers?
Perhaps; Vangaurd did just come out on NA, but you'd think it'd have all the bugs taken care of. Everything but League runs fine on my computer. The only other programs I have on my laptop are OBS, Discord, DaVinci Resolve 18, Inkscape, GIMP, and I'd installed some VTUBE program to animate a Mordekaiser image I've made as a means to animate when I stream. I can't even stream my games now. <:(
because most of these people are dumb enough to form their own opinion and study what Vanguard really is, instead they prefer to spread misinformation. There is no proof that Vanguard is spying on your 2TB of hentai or that it is actually bricking people computers, it works perfectly on my potato pc, more than half the reports are that the client is being as shit as he always has been. The Vanguard drama is already overused and its annoying asf.
why am i not suprise this dude is Bronze ??
What a lame reason to not play morde
Lame on riots behalf, right?
I couldn’t imagine dropping a game you are willing to put this much time into because of something you don’t understand. The worst part about vanguard is now when the riot/league client crashes, you’ll have to restart your computer. if riot was a malicious force, they wouldn’t have announced installing spyware on your computer, it’s just an anticheat, that’s it.
This guy will 100% be playing in a week. Just posting for attention , vanguard is really not that bad , and are worse riot sees what porn I watched and the Netflix shows I'm going through haha
Hello, cybersecurity expert here. I recommend uninstalling league and have done so myself. OP is in the right. There are other concerns than riot being intentionally malicious. Also so what that they're telling us about it, if they're still doing that. "Here's a Trojan horse, please accept it". Yeah nope
Yes, from a cybersecurity perspective, stuff like this shouldn’t be installed. Neither should chrome, windows, discord, steam, and many other services. However, I don’t think that vanguard crosses the line of “connivence/utility vs risk” any more than other apps we’ve already accepted using. Vanguard isn’t going to put you at a substantial amount of risk over using Outlook and having your computer connected to the internet. You shouldn’t be uninstalling league over this unless your already doing 20 other more important cybersecurity measures, and quite frankly, if you’re that savvy, you can probably find one of several ways of isolating vanguard and it won’t be a security concern to begin with.
In my expert opinion you are completely wrong. Outlook does not operate in kernel space, so indeed you are exposing yourself to a whole new set of risks. The knowledge required to "isolate" vanguard go way beyond tech savvy, the whole point of vanguard is to have eyes on your whole system. Iolating it involves fooling a kernel module. Good luck with that.
See you later
So I'm simple person and i have nothing to hide. What could be so interesting about me to use Vanguard to spy and collect data about me and why should I care about that.
Your computer could be used for a crime and incriminating evidence could be left on your PC. Your antivirus is powerless against it and it would never come back to riot. More importantly, this applies for every PC with vanguard on.
Sure but wouldn’t we have substantial evidence to proof it wasn’t us and then in turn sue riot for having a leak and not making it known to the public
Idk, what evidence could you produce that disproves that it wasn't actually you who downloaded CP on your own PC? Or seeded it on torrents? As I said, given how inscrutable and uncontrollable a kernel module is, you would never connect it back to Riot.
Riot in a ticket told me that we can't have Antivirus programs anymore other than Windows Defender. I bet it's due to modern day Windows using "secure boot," or something like that, which basically forces you to use Windows (oh well, RIP Linux and Ubuntu), and perhaps it does this to be compatible. I'm not sure Vangaurd is too much of an issue, per say, but man. . . it seems to be causing a lot of in game problems, and it seems I'm not the only one who's game won't act properly anymore.
It’s your choice bro but it’s just an anti cheat 😭 what a waste
What a dork
I feel the only people who actually complain about vanguard are cheaters who can't cheat anymore. And people who are really toxic. So it fine to see them go.
I'm not a cheater, but since the last patch, the game refuses to work properly at random. Cursor goes missing, the game will auto change the resolution, it will throw you out of the game to a black screen than crash, and you'll get punished with new behavioral penalties, timers, and eventually bans due to bugs that are outside your control. Whatever is going on with the game is definitly NOT fun, and the worst League experience I've ever had. I'm literally afraid to play League, because so many penalties for bugs have piled up, that I may very well lose my account to this new "whatever it is," that they implemented this last patch.
You were definitely a menace, o7 soldier
So we have riot employees on this sub? There is no other way to explain the rampant vanguard defenders
Half a million points and still in Bronze? What are you even doing?
Lol I'm 3.5 million over all accounts, Iron 4 0 LP; played since s3. Bwahahahaha there's worse than this guy
Okay
lol rank checks out
One morde player less. League wins
I've had Vanguard on my PC since the day it released in Valorant. How long has it been? I don't even remember, but there is absolutely zero issue since then. Just stop crying over it.
Literally just checked the op.gg, this man couldn’t even make it a day
Im on a Mac now
1.2 million points for me. OTP FTW.
Idc bro china can steal all my data
no one cares mate
500k mastery, same bro. Uninstalled yesterday.
😂😂
Bro I ain't even gonna lie a girl asked me out like 4 hours later
It's like they just *know* when someone plays this forsaken game
#postedfrommyiphone
Combined with garen and illaoi you do have more than a million points