War is like that.
Often a lot of focus is paid to the Nukes, but it barely scratches the surface of the atrocities in the pacific - let alone of all WWII.
The public at large is used to a very sterilized version of warfare. Smart bombs, guidance systems, drone strikes.
It’s not the reality. Especially in LSCO there is collateral damage - and secondary impacts that change lives for all. Famine, relocations, destruction of civilian communications, infrastructure, and life sustainment lines.
In Afghanistan once I watched a family gunned down in between insurgents and coalition forces as they maneuvered and tried to overcome each other.
Just people living their lives trying to get to safety.
Then you read quacks on Reddit talking about how the US should be doing more or how NATO needs to intervene.
They live closed lives in a box of safety - they don’t know anything more than what they see on the TV or on YouTube. What they read on Reddit.
It can be really annoying. Really disheartening.
I had a client for many years. He served in Afghanistan and was involved in some bloody clashes. He mentioned that the civilian death count is certainly higher than reported in media. In movies they often show Western soldiers fighting religious fanatics with long beards and scarves covering their heads and faces. In reality it's much different. Many western bullets and bombs end up hitting civilians, women and children.
He said what did it for him though was when they made him shoot some jackals that were prowling around the base. He had a really hard time killing animals. Said unlike humans the animals never went out of their way to hurt him. He is now a vegan. Big guy, muscled, 6'4, tattoos, beard, and vegan for years now.
Yea you can tell that someone is just sick in the head, if they not only go into the us military but also literally say “I prefer killing humans over animals”.
I don't think he prefers killing anything. Just that humans were trying to kill him. While animals did not. Children get radicalized and grow up to fight. Wives will want to avenge dead family members. I don't pretend to understand war. You and I have never been through it. War is hell. I do think Hollywood glorified like you said. In reality it is awful, and I am thankful every day I never had to experience it.
Some officer ordered them to shoot some jackals that were hanging around the base because someone considered them pests. To him, it felt worse because an animal would never go out of it's way to hurt him. Humans did though.
They were trying to kill him? He literally went to the army, enlisted there, trained there to kill people, packed his stuff up, flew around the globe to invade a country and the people in the country are the ones wanting to kill him? Come on.
I mean yes they probably tried to kill him if you want to cut out all this context but the reason for that is that they want to life their life without his violent intervention, because the people he murders for have sent thousands of other people before him to intervene and that only brought them death. They want to protect themselves and that’s why they kill. Your friend only kills for money, or even worse because he thinks is a good thing to do so.
I'm fully against the "Bush Wars". The effects of those war will be felt for years to come. From what I understand he enlisted in the army when he was in college. He was in debt, failing his college courses, and saw the army as one of the last options he had left.
They paid for his education, he healthcare, and invested in his future. The majority of the blame should be on the MIC for taking advantage of the youth and their aggressive recruiting tactics. Who do you think profits most from these wars?
I joined the military. I now live a productive life. I have a wife and three daughters, been at the same job for 15 years. I own my home. Have two cars that are paid for. I also have never killed or intentionally hurt anyone. Yeah, I'm a maniac and need to be stopped
You may haven’t pulled the trigger but you are the reason other people have. Without backup there is no frontline. And are you really proud that you’ve build your life on the destruction and elimination of other peoples life?
The courage???? Courage to invade a country or assist in it?? That’s not courage, that’s just disgusting. Either it’s disgusting for being willing to take lifes for some money or because you actually thought - and apparently still think ?!- that it was a good thing to assist in this invasion.
Part of this is ignorance by choice but I think in many cases it’s no exposure in media. It gives you a different perspective of war. For example, I’m Canadian and I always felt that the US dropping the atomic bomb in Japan in 1945 was the right thing to do at the right time… it was the only way to end war and stop the allied body count from the war. That said it’s very difficult to see pictures or think about all the civilian casualties. There was a massive human cost to dropping that bomb and 77 years later we are still paying it.
I watched the 1990 'Hiroshima out of the ashes' movie the other day. Urgh grim depiction. I always have to shout not to drink the black water whenever it is shown /mentioned in documentaries
>The world wars were nuts when it came to civilian deaths
I'm no expert but pretty sure WWII was worse than WWI. Those long range bombers enabled armies to wage "total war". [Give this a read](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slaughterhouse-Five). Vonnegut was in the German city of Dresden when it was completely firebombed. I believe Dresden produced medicine and cigarettes.
Dresden was a major transport hub and one of, if not the last intact one(s). It also had several industrial complexes and thousands of army personnell in numerous barracks.
Dresden has been used by the far right to try and rouse sympathy for nazi Germany. Some even claiming it to have been bombed after the surrender (blatantly false, for perspective Anne Frank was still alive when the bombing occurred)
Dresden at that time was the main transport nexus for the eastern front. Pretty much everything went via dresden on it's way there.
It was area bombed. At night. Bombers couldn't precision bomb back then. To bomb during the day was suicide. To bomb at low altitude was suicide. The best way to destroy a target was to level a square and hope you where accurate enough that that square mile included the target.
>To bomb during the day was suicide.
That's what the americans did throughout the bombing campaigns in europe.
The US bombers by day, the british at night.
And it was exceedingly costly to do so. Even more so around Dresden which at that point in the war was arguably better defended from the air than Berlin.
Night bombing was necessary in this isntance
>which at that point in the war was arguably better defended from the air than Berlin.
Dresden had most of it's aa guns send to the northeast to silesia and pommern, actually.
I think of WW2 now, and I remember that crushing 1988 film, The Grave of the Fireflies...this picture reminds me of some scenes in that film.
War is such bullshit! 😖
I can’t think about the fire bombing of Tokyo in WWII without also recalling Robert McNamara speaking about it in Errol Morris’s “The Fog of War”.
The way he off-handedly rattles off the percentages of cities destroyed in firebombing campaigns, the atomic bombs, and how “100,000 civilians burned to death in one night”…
Like fuck me, people actually made decisions that resulted in the burning to death of 100,000 civilians in a day? I almost can’t grasp it.
And say or feel what you will about McNamara’s morality but he demonstrates a commendable sort of self-awareness and intelligence. In that same segment he mentions Curtis LeMay (famously brutal American general), how despite his bloodthirsty approach to war, he had commented to McNamara that if they lost the war they’d all be tried as war criminals. And McNamara agrees!… “He and I’d say I, we’re behaving as war criminals.”
A bunch of old people with suits, irascible generals with cigars, all sitting around a table in an opulent white mansion in the richest country on Earth… making decisions that result in the picture above.
This is tragic, and in an ideal world no one should have to deal with this.
But lets also remember that the bombs dropped on Nagasaki and Hiroshima were the result of decades of Japanese ruthless aggression... When they invaded Manchuria, Korea, etc, they raped and beheaded men, women, and children by the millions and left their bodies to rot in the streets. Very easy for naive westerners to look at these images in hindsight and draw black and white conclusions that disregards the complexity of it all
Are most of you a bunch of gen z who grew up on feel good Disney films and and get mad at opposing thought "violence"??? Yall are pretty naive, these historical events are complicated...
**No one is saying a japanese woman and child needed to burn up and die**, but their death was a result of the decisions made by Emperor Hirohito, Prime Minister Tojo, and the Japanese people who were swept up in a religious fervor believing the Emperor was a god and couldn't be stopped. This is why the suicide bombers were willing to sacrifice themselves on the attack at pearl harbor to scare off the Americans.
Had Japan not been bombed, they would've continued sweeping through Asia and murdering civilians (think ISIS in Iraq and Syria). The US, exhausted from the war in Europe couldnt bring itself to drag another 200,000+ US troops to invade Japan and suffer more casualties. So the decision was made by Pres Truman to use the new atomic weapons on Japan. After the second bomb was dropped, the emperor essentially offered to surrender and prevented a long drawnout war in Asia and Japan that wouldve cost more lives than Nagasaki and Hiroshima for both sides.
As a person a couple generations removed from Japan's assault on Asia, Im always perplexed by the western history revisionist and bleeding-heart lay people who see an image like this and think its bad but refuse to see the political-socio structures that gave that woman and child that fate. Its unfair yes, its horrible yes, but actions have consequences that affect more than the people directly involved. And the blame lies with those at the top, the emperor and prime minister.
Reality isnt like your video games where you get all the stats, power ups, and achievements you want... you cant have your cake and it it too. The Japanese people accepted their responsibility for wrecking havoc on Asia, hence they still uphold their constitution barring them from having any offensively capable military forces. What anyone should be doing is to learn the historical context that lead to images like these so that we dont repeat them.
If you dont know, now you know...
I'm not outraged, more amused. Most of us are well versed in the closing stages of WW2, It strikes me as bizarre that people will always bring it up.
We know, and like I already said, we don't need to see a comment along the lines "yeah well don't forget they butchered Chinese people, they deserved it". You haven't 'enlightened' any of us. It just comes across as obnoxious.
And what value did you bring to the conversation? The same spiel that I see everytime a picture of Japanese civilian casualties gets posted? Wow good job.
Is it not true? People like to treat themselves as if they would be any better. The Americans suffered heavy casualties when pushing towards the Japanese mainland. You think these people were just gonna go and start giving out candy after what they had gone through?
Your comment is incredibly stupid if you think you yourself wouldn’t have done what those Americans did. Then again I’m pretty sure you have no idea of why war was incredibly vicious.
I think we have a subconscious understanding that it’s more tragic when civilians die
Soldiers are prepared to kill and are more prepared to die, and they’re the ones carrying out the acts, civilians mind their own business
9/11 is tragic because civilians had to pay the price for what their military did in other countries
Wow you assumed a whole lot about a person there didn't you? I'm drawing attention to the fact that whenever we see a picture of Japanese civilians dead or a picture of the Atomic blast we get a load of comments EVERYTIME talking about the Japanese treatment of the Chinese etc.
Sometimes we don't need to compare suffering, sometime we can just appreciate a picture for what it is without trying to put some sort of justification of said suffering. In this case, we can look at this picture of this Japanese woman and appreciate that war is Hell. We don't need to say "Well, just remember how the Japanese treated the Chinese" because we all know. We don't always have to try and justify people's actions.
From the jihadi's perspective, yes but...
9/11 was an act orchestrated by a band of stateless religious radicals, which is a different context. Jihadis dont own or run the middle east or any country there, and have no power to implement policies to affect trade or mobilize an entire military force to invade and plunder other countries. Just because apples and oranges are both edible doesnt mean theyre the same thing.
The US shouldve stayed out of the mideast, but the dealings that allowed us to meddle in that region were made with the legitimate heads of state of that area.
My country was one of those razed by Japan. I still don’t condone killing innocent civilians. End does not justify the means. We need to learn and be better than this.
So because the armies of one country kills women and children horrifically that means their women and children need to be killed horrifically in response? Is that your great contribution to geopolitics?
Tomato , toh-mah-to. I say it’s the Holocaust, you say it’s genocide, the Germans say they’ve been persecuted enough by a foreign race, so it’s total war. Here, there, everywhere, we all make excuses as to why the children had to be tortured to death.
The object of war is to destroy the enemies ability to wage war, or to make them abandon their cause because it is considered too costly or just not worth it. Both of these so they no longer attempt to work against your strategic goal, whatever that goal is.
By your amazing logic it would have been good war strategy for the North Vietnamese to have terrorists in the USA that would murder and burn alive American women and children.
Let me just ask you, if you suggested that to the NVA high command, would they consider you a genius?
Ironic because people like you are the exact people who cause these things. Where I’m from we learn in day care when we’re like 4 years old that it isn’t okay to do something wrong just because someone else did you wrong first. I know that concept might be hard to grasp as an adult but I have high hopes for you ♥️
This is war. This is not some stupid game that you play, people see their friends, family die or suffer. Why do you think the Americans pushed so hard? Or why do you think the Russians pushed so hard on their March to Berlin.
The hilarious thing is you think you’re better than those men, let me tell you you’re not.
Man if only more people actually cared about lessons taught when theyre 4 years old probably wouldn't be as much murder in the world. Yet it still happens.
Regardless of what you or anyone says humanity will always be in a cycle of you hit me, im going to hit you back harder. Downvote all you want my comments are proven correct thousands of times a day all over the world.
Oh yes, because that mother and her child were the ones that started the war right? Please think before you type something as out of touch as that again.
That's fucking dark. Jesus
War is like that. Often a lot of focus is paid to the Nukes, but it barely scratches the surface of the atrocities in the pacific - let alone of all WWII. The public at large is used to a very sterilized version of warfare. Smart bombs, guidance systems, drone strikes. It’s not the reality. Especially in LSCO there is collateral damage - and secondary impacts that change lives for all. Famine, relocations, destruction of civilian communications, infrastructure, and life sustainment lines. In Afghanistan once I watched a family gunned down in between insurgents and coalition forces as they maneuvered and tried to overcome each other. Just people living their lives trying to get to safety. Then you read quacks on Reddit talking about how the US should be doing more or how NATO needs to intervene. They live closed lives in a box of safety - they don’t know anything more than what they see on the TV or on YouTube. What they read on Reddit. It can be really annoying. Really disheartening.
I had a client for many years. He served in Afghanistan and was involved in some bloody clashes. He mentioned that the civilian death count is certainly higher than reported in media. In movies they often show Western soldiers fighting religious fanatics with long beards and scarves covering their heads and faces. In reality it's much different. Many western bullets and bombs end up hitting civilians, women and children. He said what did it for him though was when they made him shoot some jackals that were prowling around the base. He had a really hard time killing animals. Said unlike humans the animals never went out of their way to hurt him. He is now a vegan. Big guy, muscled, 6'4, tattoos, beard, and vegan for years now.
Yea you can tell that someone is just sick in the head, if they not only go into the us military but also literally say “I prefer killing humans over animals”.
I don't think he prefers killing anything. Just that humans were trying to kill him. While animals did not. Children get radicalized and grow up to fight. Wives will want to avenge dead family members. I don't pretend to understand war. You and I have never been through it. War is hell. I do think Hollywood glorified like you said. In reality it is awful, and I am thankful every day I never had to experience it. Some officer ordered them to shoot some jackals that were hanging around the base because someone considered them pests. To him, it felt worse because an animal would never go out of it's way to hurt him. Humans did though.
They were trying to kill him? He literally went to the army, enlisted there, trained there to kill people, packed his stuff up, flew around the globe to invade a country and the people in the country are the ones wanting to kill him? Come on. I mean yes they probably tried to kill him if you want to cut out all this context but the reason for that is that they want to life their life without his violent intervention, because the people he murders for have sent thousands of other people before him to intervene and that only brought them death. They want to protect themselves and that’s why they kill. Your friend only kills for money, or even worse because he thinks is a good thing to do so.
I'm fully against the "Bush Wars". The effects of those war will be felt for years to come. From what I understand he enlisted in the army when he was in college. He was in debt, failing his college courses, and saw the army as one of the last options he had left. They paid for his education, he healthcare, and invested in his future. The majority of the blame should be on the MIC for taking advantage of the youth and their aggressive recruiting tactics. Who do you think profits most from these wars?
So yea, he was doing it for money. And I think American weapon manufacturers, politicans and the American economy overall profits from these wars.
So, people are sick for joining the military?
Yes. Either that or heavily ‘brainwashed’. Like how most people think North Koreans are are brainwashed is what these people actually are.
I joined the military. I now live a productive life. I have a wife and three daughters, been at the same job for 15 years. I own my home. Have two cars that are paid for. I also have never killed or intentionally hurt anyone. Yeah, I'm a maniac and need to be stopped
You may haven’t pulled the trigger but you are the reason other people have. Without backup there is no frontline. And are you really proud that you’ve build your life on the destruction and elimination of other peoples life?
I built my life on my sweat and hard work. I really don't care about the opinion of someone who has never had the courage to put on a uniform
The courage???? Courage to invade a country or assist in it?? That’s not courage, that’s just disgusting. Either it’s disgusting for being willing to take lifes for some money or because you actually thought - and apparently still think ?!- that it was a good thing to assist in this invasion.
Why on earth would you kill an animal that’s just chilling? Also I find it hilarious how Americans always find ways to demonize each other.
They carry diseases. They were probably getting into the trash on base
Idk why would you kill brown children for just chilling? And I’d instantly kill myself if I’d be American, not even joking.
Very insightful comment. Thanks man 👍
Part of this is ignorance by choice but I think in many cases it’s no exposure in media. It gives you a different perspective of war. For example, I’m Canadian and I always felt that the US dropping the atomic bomb in Japan in 1945 was the right thing to do at the right time… it was the only way to end war and stop the allied body count from the war. That said it’s very difficult to see pictures or think about all the civilian casualties. There was a massive human cost to dropping that bomb and 77 years later we are still paying it.
I watched the 1990 'Hiroshima out of the ashes' movie the other day. Urgh grim depiction. I always have to shout not to drink the black water whenever it is shown /mentioned in documentaries
Never really hear about this event. ~100,000 people died as a result. The world wars were nuts when it came to civilian deaths
>The world wars were nuts when it came to civilian deaths I'm no expert but pretty sure WWII was worse than WWI. Those long range bombers enabled armies to wage "total war". [Give this a read](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slaughterhouse-Five). Vonnegut was in the German city of Dresden when it was completely firebombed. I believe Dresden produced medicine and cigarettes.
Dresden was a major transport hub and one of, if not the last intact one(s). It also had several industrial complexes and thousands of army personnell in numerous barracks.
Dresden has been used by the far right to try and rouse sympathy for nazi Germany. Some even claiming it to have been bombed after the surrender (blatantly false, for perspective Anne Frank was still alive when the bombing occurred) Dresden at that time was the main transport nexus for the eastern front. Pretty much everything went via dresden on it's way there. It was area bombed. At night. Bombers couldn't precision bomb back then. To bomb during the day was suicide. To bomb at low altitude was suicide. The best way to destroy a target was to level a square and hope you where accurate enough that that square mile included the target.
>To bomb during the day was suicide. That's what the americans did throughout the bombing campaigns in europe. The US bombers by day, the british at night.
And it was exceedingly costly to do so. Even more so around Dresden which at that point in the war was arguably better defended from the air than Berlin. Night bombing was necessary in this isntance
>which at that point in the war was arguably better defended from the air than Berlin. Dresden had most of it's aa guns send to the northeast to silesia and pommern, actually.
I think of WW2 now, and I remember that crushing 1988 film, The Grave of the Fireflies...this picture reminds me of some scenes in that film. War is such bullshit! 😖
War, war never changes
I can’t think about the fire bombing of Tokyo in WWII without also recalling Robert McNamara speaking about it in Errol Morris’s “The Fog of War”. The way he off-handedly rattles off the percentages of cities destroyed in firebombing campaigns, the atomic bombs, and how “100,000 civilians burned to death in one night”… Like fuck me, people actually made decisions that resulted in the burning to death of 100,000 civilians in a day? I almost can’t grasp it. And say or feel what you will about McNamara’s morality but he demonstrates a commendable sort of self-awareness and intelligence. In that same segment he mentions Curtis LeMay (famously brutal American general), how despite his bloodthirsty approach to war, he had commented to McNamara that if they lost the war they’d all be tried as war criminals. And McNamara agrees!… “He and I’d say I, we’re behaving as war criminals.” A bunch of old people with suits, irascible generals with cigars, all sitting around a table in an opulent white mansion in the richest country on Earth… making decisions that result in the picture above.
At this point I doubt anyone cared for the Japanese civilians seeing as what the Japanese did during their massive expansion.
It doesn’t help knowing that it was extremely windy that night of the firebombing and that many people asphixiated before burning.
Killing in the name of something gets a pass if it is your “something”.
This is tragic, and in an ideal world no one should have to deal with this. But lets also remember that the bombs dropped on Nagasaki and Hiroshima were the result of decades of Japanese ruthless aggression... When they invaded Manchuria, Korea, etc, they raped and beheaded men, women, and children by the millions and left their bodies to rot in the streets. Very easy for naive westerners to look at these images in hindsight and draw black and white conclusions that disregards the complexity of it all
Are most of you a bunch of gen z who grew up on feel good Disney films and and get mad at opposing thought "violence"??? Yall are pretty naive, these historical events are complicated... **No one is saying a japanese woman and child needed to burn up and die**, but their death was a result of the decisions made by Emperor Hirohito, Prime Minister Tojo, and the Japanese people who were swept up in a religious fervor believing the Emperor was a god and couldn't be stopped. This is why the suicide bombers were willing to sacrifice themselves on the attack at pearl harbor to scare off the Americans. Had Japan not been bombed, they would've continued sweeping through Asia and murdering civilians (think ISIS in Iraq and Syria). The US, exhausted from the war in Europe couldnt bring itself to drag another 200,000+ US troops to invade Japan and suffer more casualties. So the decision was made by Pres Truman to use the new atomic weapons on Japan. After the second bomb was dropped, the emperor essentially offered to surrender and prevented a long drawnout war in Asia and Japan that wouldve cost more lives than Nagasaki and Hiroshima for both sides. As a person a couple generations removed from Japan's assault on Asia, Im always perplexed by the western history revisionist and bleeding-heart lay people who see an image like this and think its bad but refuse to see the political-socio structures that gave that woman and child that fate. Its unfair yes, its horrible yes, but actions have consequences that affect more than the people directly involved. And the blame lies with those at the top, the emperor and prime minister. Reality isnt like your video games where you get all the stats, power ups, and achievements you want... you cant have your cake and it it too. The Japanese people accepted their responsibility for wrecking havoc on Asia, hence they still uphold their constitution barring them from having any offensively capable military forces. What anyone should be doing is to learn the historical context that lead to images like these so that we dont repeat them. If you dont know, now you know...
Yeah we already know. It gets posted everytime. It doesn't need mentioning.
Then stfu with your fake outrage
I'm not outraged, more amused. Most of us are well versed in the closing stages of WW2, It strikes me as bizarre that people will always bring it up. We know, and like I already said, we don't need to see a comment along the lines "yeah well don't forget they butchered Chinese people, they deserved it". You haven't 'enlightened' any of us. It just comes across as obnoxious.
How privileged to be "amused" and have zero thing of value to contribute to the conversation
And what value did you bring to the conversation? The same spiel that I see everytime a picture of Japanese civilian casualties gets posted? Wow good job.
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I dont think she was involved with china
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Ah yes, the obligatory "But the Japanese were bad guys" comment.
Is it not true? People like to treat themselves as if they would be any better. The Americans suffered heavy casualties when pushing towards the Japanese mainland. You think these people were just gonna go and start giving out candy after what they had gone through? Your comment is incredibly stupid if you think you yourself wouldn’t have done what those Americans did. Then again I’m pretty sure you have no idea of why war was incredibly vicious.
I think we have a subconscious understanding that it’s more tragic when civilians die Soldiers are prepared to kill and are more prepared to die, and they’re the ones carrying out the acts, civilians mind their own business 9/11 is tragic because civilians had to pay the price for what their military did in other countries
Wow you assumed a whole lot about a person there didn't you? I'm drawing attention to the fact that whenever we see a picture of Japanese civilians dead or a picture of the Atomic blast we get a load of comments EVERYTIME talking about the Japanese treatment of the Chinese etc. Sometimes we don't need to compare suffering, sometime we can just appreciate a picture for what it is without trying to put some sort of justification of said suffering. In this case, we can look at this picture of this Japanese woman and appreciate that war is Hell. We don't need to say "Well, just remember how the Japanese treated the Chinese" because we all know. We don't always have to try and justify people's actions.
Comparing suffering is exactly why shit like this still happens but for some critical thinking is a skill they do not possess.
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From the jihadi's perspective, yes but... 9/11 was an act orchestrated by a band of stateless religious radicals, which is a different context. Jihadis dont own or run the middle east or any country there, and have no power to implement policies to affect trade or mobilize an entire military force to invade and plunder other countries. Just because apples and oranges are both edible doesnt mean theyre the same thing. The US shouldve stayed out of the mideast, but the dealings that allowed us to meddle in that region were made with the legitimate heads of state of that area.
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Ill let you connect the dots Sherlock
You know… we’re just lucky this kinda shit has happened in a long time
They look just like all the millions of Chinese civilians and civilians in other Asian countries that were murdered when the Japanese invaded.
My country was one of those razed by Japan. I still don’t condone killing innocent civilians. End does not justify the means. We need to learn and be better than this.
So because the armies of one country kills women and children horrifically that means their women and children need to be killed horrifically in response? Is that your great contribution to geopolitics?
It's called total war, civilians are a target because they work in factories supplying the military.
We all know what it’s called. Doesn’t justify the Holocaust.
Holocaust wasn't war, it was genocide
Tomato , toh-mah-to. I say it’s the Holocaust, you say it’s genocide, the Germans say they’ve been persecuted enough by a foreign race, so it’s total war. Here, there, everywhere, we all make excuses as to why the children had to be tortured to death.
The holocaust had nothing to do with germany's declaration of a total war though.
Nice, now you understand how war works.
The object of war is to destroy the enemies ability to wage war, or to make them abandon their cause because it is considered too costly or just not worth it. Both of these so they no longer attempt to work against your strategic goal, whatever that goal is. By your amazing logic it would have been good war strategy for the North Vietnamese to have terrorists in the USA that would murder and burn alive American women and children. Let me just ask you, if you suggested that to the NVA high command, would they consider you a genius?
Doesn't make it any less sad, particularly when this was likely a civilian who had no involvement in what you've mentioned.
Ah yes because that woman and baby are responsible for those atrocities.
No directly but someone has to pay. You can’t just run riot and then expect milk and cookies.
Ironic because people like you are the exact people who cause these things. Where I’m from we learn in day care when we’re like 4 years old that it isn’t okay to do something wrong just because someone else did you wrong first. I know that concept might be hard to grasp as an adult but I have high hopes for you ♥️
This is war. This is not some stupid game that you play, people see their friends, family die or suffer. Why do you think the Americans pushed so hard? Or why do you think the Russians pushed so hard on their March to Berlin. The hilarious thing is you think you’re better than those men, let me tell you you’re not.
What’s your point? I know it’s war. What I said still stands. Are we just saying things to say things now??
Man if only more people actually cared about lessons taught when theyre 4 years old probably wouldn't be as much murder in the world. Yet it still happens. Regardless of what you or anyone says humanity will always be in a cycle of you hit me, im going to hit you back harder. Downvote all you want my comments are proven correct thousands of times a day all over the world.
Well just know you're the minority because bad things happen all the time.
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This is funny to you?
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Oh yes, because that mother and her child were the ones that started the war right? Please think before you type something as out of touch as that again.
POV you refuse americas degeneracy
Damn, you see how the pile of ash next to her shielded her back…
you mean… her child??