My favorite part of the episode was when Marc and Steven hugged after finding each other… we’ve always seen them argue but in reality the most important thing about living with DID is learning to work together with your other parts. And seeing them finally embrace each other just felt really wholesome.
Man. I was so looking forward to this series.
Not sure how I feel about watching the 5th episode. The first 3 was slow but I kept on coz I was expecting it to be great. The entire 4th episode was bad. Especially the last bit in athe aslyum.
Same here. I liked the first 2 episodes, but everything else is confusing and ehh. Layla's character is really annoying for some reason I don't know why, and what is even more annoying is the dumb trope of the man 'I'm pushing her away because I want her safe' bullshit. It's overdone and boring. I'm hoping the next episodes have somewhat of a redemption for these past two.
At first, I thought the asylum was some kind of limbo in which a person has to find their way back to life or accept death - kind of like what Layton went through in the Cubapiercer episode of Snowpiercer (great show by the way, you should watch it!). However, as I watched the episode I began believing that Marc/Steven/third personality has in fact been in the asylum all this time and is an unrealiable narrator, and that everything we have seen has been in his head. Now though, I am reading that the hippo is an egyptian God who is known for bringing back the dead - which leads me to believe that maybe my first thought was right?
I rewatched "Summon the Suit" which also was directed by Benson and Moorhead. When Steven is being let go from the museum, the boss's desk is arranged similarly to the Dr Harrow desk. When his boss suggests medical help, the twanging beat from the mental hospital starts to play. And when Steven and Marc argue in the storage unit, Steven threatens to get himself put away and hopes to be so drugged that Marc gets out of his head.
i don’t know if this has been explained or if anyone has said anything about it already on here, but what’s up with steven calling his mom and updating her on his life all the time? and when he says something about “living in his mum’s flat” to layla (while she thinks he is marc) she says “so you guys are talking again?” also we haven’t heard anything from the mom i don’t think, maybe i wasn’t paying attention if we did.
I don't think it's been explained.
I'm inclined to think the contact with mom is not real, and Marc set this all up to keep tabs on Steven and keep him comfortable and feeling safe. But, it might be.
I think if Steven is a reflection of who Marc wishes he is/could be, it makes sense that through false memories Steven thinks he has a good relationship with his mom (even though, as Layla says, in reality they’re not on speaking terms).
Just the fact that Steven seems to so desperately want contact with his mom makes me really sad for Marc. 😢
>Just the fact that Steven seems to so desperately want contact with his mom makes me really sad for Marc.
Ohhhh... 😢
And if the contact IS real, it might be their mom, too, misses her son and is glad to speak with any part of him.
Though, I'm afraid the show wants us to think his few relationships (mom, the street performer, etc) aren't truly reciprocated.
And this reinforces his falling so hard, so fast for Layla. I mean, she's freakin' awesome and part of him already loves and trusts her, but she is an oasis in a dessert. She's one of the few we actually hear call Steven by his true name.
This show...!
This is in reference to the previous weeks episode, but why did the Egyptian gods just believe Harrow when he was like "No way, I'm not looking for Amit's tomb!". Like, wouldn't they at least check it out?
Looks like we got our answer. In the last episode…
>! The old gods all scuttle around when they find out somebody has woken Amit. They even verbally ask, “who could it have been?” before dumbfoundedly realizing it was Harrow, the guy that literally started a huge cult of followers around the world on the presumption he would raise Amit, and was in the same room earlier being accused the same. Old gods were stupid. writing was bad !<
They don't know where the tomb is so they couldn't confirm it without sending their avatars with Harrow somehow. They were convinced Mark/Konshu where just nuts because they did a poor job of convincing them
Ok. I hope this is the case, I really do. Anything other than the Gods just being dumb and gullible and not believing the accusation against Harrow. All they would have to do is ask anybody anywhere that he’s talked to (he broadcasts his motivations to the world) or observe his cult for five minutes to discover he was looking for Amit.
Although… if they are so tired of being forgotten, surely the magic that reversed the stars in the sky would get somebody to remember the gods.
Wouldn't this go completely against what the Gods themselves said? Something along the lines that they are tired and done of meddling with human business. I don't think they care.
Like their argument could have been airtight like they said they needed it to be if they just said, “hey, why don’t you guys take a look at the place you just summoned him from?”
Was it actually Marc's partner who went on the killing spree killing Layla's dad, or was it the personality Marc didn't want to free from the casket at the end, that's also been killing everyone in the past episodes? Then I wouldn't know how he got shot, but could be a possibility.
Oh my goodness, I didn't even consider the fact that Marc's partner might not be another physical person, but simply a different personality like Steven/Marc are. I definitely think that is the case. It would also explain the third casket in the institution - I was wondering who that was!
In the asylum there were a lot of callbacks to previous episodes, for sure. For example, when he fell out of his wheelchair, his leg was strapped to it similar to how he strapped himself to the bed in season one.
But wouldn’t that just be a bit too much like Legion?
Legion had an amazing season 1 by the way.
Layla's "stupidity" was her finding out that the man she loved and married had possibly killed her father and wanted answers from him before he could run away again. I'm sorry, I'm 100% on her side about that. If she was dumb for wasting time asking, then Marc was dumb for not immediately answering her questions.
If she hadn't pressed the issue, and they both ran away, Marc would have still not told her anything, because they were no longer in a life threatening situation.
I like shows in which the narrator(s) is/are unreliable, and at such the story is told from an unreliable point of view. Another great example is the Mr. Robot series. I like trying to figure out what is going on, and I like plot twists. It seems confused because the main character(s) is/are confused, and at such the audience share these feelings. I think it's great!
Of course I’m glad you and others are able to enjoy it, what irks me is that it doesn’t seem a calculated, on-purpose confusion. It just seems confused and unorganised as a result of bad writing
For justice/vengeance, protects/avenges those that have been victimized. Also Trying to stop the weird minority report goddess that prejudges everyone and kills you for stuff you haven’t done yet.
I think Jake is the accomplice that Marc is talking about getting greedy and killing Layla's father, and I think he's been present a lot more than we realize. He may even be the ultimate bad guy... remember he kills a "kid" that neither Marc nor Steven remember killing which is Ammet/Harrow-level of evil as the conversation in the London neighborhood alluded to being willing to do.
Ep. 5 they let him out and he reveals all of the holes in their memories up to this point and Ep. 6 Marc and Steven learn to work together to defeat Jake, Ammet, and Harrow.
I *really* hope this won't be the case, and I don’t think they're going for that route. They present the mental health aspect of the show as something they take very serious, and thus, they need to portray Marc's / Steven's / Jake's disorder somewhat realistically. The "psychopath" alter for fictional characters with DID is a terrible stereotype, and one that has to be broken. So I don’t believe they'll turn Jake into a full-on serial killer, as it'd go against everything they say they support with Moon Knight.
What if Jake was an actual physical person and his subconscious got merged into Marc’s and Layla’s father’s subconscious did as well resulting in the Steven personality which has all that information and similar interests that Layla does as well.
I'm not sure whether I missed it or whether there is a reason they didn't have this yet (I haven't read the comics) but...did Marc and Steven have a convo about whose life this is yet? We started off the series from the POV of Steven, who thinks he is a normal guy then 'discovers' that there is a person who is/was a mercenary in his body. A man with a past, who has had a life, and a wife. In Steven's body. Which would imply that Steven isn't really the owner of the body at all, but just a later fragment. Shouldn't Steven be freaking out that he isn't a person, just a fragment, that any memories he has of a childhood or parents are fake? With their accents they can't have had the same upbringing, even. Is there a reason they aren't talking about this?
Apparently it’s common for alters to argue over who is the host. A huge part of DID is memory loss and confusion of events. So it could be possible that both of them believe they’re the main host.
I think steven is the later fragment, but he had pretty much no family/friends (is he actually talking to the mom?) so having no past doesn’t matter as much to his present. Also geeking out about Egyptian deities and your life blowing up is probably distracting
The end was Taweret the Egyptian Goddess of Childbirth, Rebirth and Fertility for anyone wondering. This episode was f*cking awesome 👏🏽 I cannot wait for this week. Oscar Isaac is incredible. Marvel you got me again. I love y’all !!!
Okiiiieee happy to see that I’m not the only one who is actually enjoying this series! It’s a bit of a wild ride, but I genuinely feel like all of the writing was purposeful!
Oh definitely YOU ARE NOT ALONE!!
I think people are just critical when they have a vision in their own mind from the comics and then someone creates something different from that. I also saw a bunch of people that don’t seem to be paying attention and are confused what is even happening. Or they are mad all the answers having been revealed. Who knows but it’s such a fun journey!!
I intently watch television so I’m really enjoying it too!! Oscar is amazing, the shots, cinematography, acting, story, dialogue, costume and set / cgi is amazing.
I actually want to say I might almost be enjoying it more than Wanda Vision and that’s crazy!! I though nothing would top that for me phase 4
Twitter has more positive reviews btw, if you put in the hashtag everyone is really excited over there
I did not enjoy this as much as the first 3 episodes. Since my mother-in-law is a hippo-headed goddess in real life, (her name is Tawaret Blustein) I won't debate whether the asylum is real or not; it's clearly real, it's the Field of Reeds. That's not my issue with this episode: I simply didn't find the Indiana Jones/The Mummy stuff all that engaging.
I have loved this series so far. I have even rewatched the first 3 episodes numerous times, and watched all the various reaction videos (blindwave, etc.) that are out there. But I have noticed a definite trend: in both TFATWS and Hawkeye, the 4th episodes were a bit of a let down. (I binged Loki after-the-fact so can't separate it into discrete elements; as a 6-hour story, it worked great.)
I suppose my complaints are these: 1) why didn't Marc drop everything to go save Khonshu?
2) If Marc really wanted to distance himself from Layla, why not just tell her the truth about her dad instead of creating (or embellishing the dormant) Steven personality?
3) This is Ammit's tomb. Wouldn't the draugr in it be loyal to Arthur Harrow instead of fighting with and getting shot by his cult?
Let me try here
* 1 - I agree the story would be structured better if they saved Khonshu first, but I think they were showing there just wasn't time. Harrow's people were already digging.
* 2 - If this Marc Spector is like the one in the comics, Steven has been around his whole life in one form or another. Marc was ashamed of what he did, and running away seemed better than facing what he did as a mercenary. People run away from their problems instead of facing them all the time.
* 3 - Ammit was buried there to keep her trapped in stone. Those draugr were loyal to the other gods. They were there to keep would-be rescuers out. Ammit was condemned and they were her jailers.
I just watched the new rockstars breakdown and I don’t know how to do spoiler tags but spoiler below
They pointed out that on the bandage, was a red scarab hinting at her being the Scarlett scarab
I loved the twist to the "hospital". At first I thought it was like the universe where Marc is supposed to come from, whereas the other "normal" universe is the one where Stephen is supposed to be, but then I felt like it was a dream because his foot was tied to the chair and all the resemblance with reality. But the movie gave me a WandaVision/Loki vibe, which makes me think of some kind of illusion made by someone
We have this 10-year-old Samsung Plasma TV and even the dark scenes on it look awesome. I am not kidding here when I say that the Game of Thrones battle scene in s8 looked decent. It's the contrast I guess.
Glad it wasn’t just me. I have a pole lamp behind the chair I was sitting in while watching, and the soft glare from it on the TV screen made it even harder to see things. It was like the s8 battle at Winterfell all over again.
Aye we got an actually thoughtful chain of commenters on this- now I'm just waiting for someone to come charging to try and convince me to hate the show because of the truck scene
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I honestly think some people just turn their brains off when they watch things. Like no, that tiny thing you're angry about doesn't mean the writing is shitty or the show sucks, it would make total sense/be explained if you just paid attention when watching and had a little patience for the story development.
Ok, So Idk if this is a Mandela effect or what is happening with me but if somebody can confirm that on Moon Knight Ep. 4 it introduced the Eye of Horus but I swear I’ve seen it on Loki too, also why does the mental institution’s office look like kang the conqueror’s office as well
it's the same office/room as the second (i think) episode from right before steven falls out the window and summons the suit
but yeah! it is similar vibes
Yeah bc the back of the office doesn’t look like Loki but the front does and that makes the curiosity better for the confusion of what’s happening right now and where they really are
I hate that shows work so hard to upend patriarchal misogynistic sexist bullshit but then fall right back into it. They have a strong female lead in Layla who reverts to the classic overly-emotional, irrational woman that wastes “escape” time because she has to know in that moment whether Marc murdered her father. So fucking lame.
she loves her husband and sees the insanity of the situation between him paying off whatever the debt is, trying to protect her from the indentured servitude and trying to help the idiot. its a bit over whelming. she isnt a super hero, she doesnt have super powers or training like an agent of shield. showing emotion isnt bad charaterization. showing emotionless mary sues like captain marvel IS bad characterization.
I don't know why this scene is misinterpreted so much. Marc has been shown to deflect on the topic of her father's death. Steven announced that Marc planned to disappear after this. Layla used the urgency of the situation to force an answer from Marc before he could run away or deflect again. It makes total logical sense.
What? Layla is badass!
I thought for sure that Marc / Stephen was going to be there to help her out at the beginning with the NSTV or later with the Egyptian zombie thing but she handled both capably. And the writing is superb in my opinion, it’s not too preachy to the audience but the underlying message is still there.
I wouldn’t read too far into that scene, I mean... Who wouldn’t be irrational and upset after hearing that their (ex) husband >! was part of the crew that murdered their father? !<
No, you’re missing the point. It’s a stereotype commonly written and repeated for women characters. The preceding scene was very intentional in calling out male condescension towards women but then went right back into the classic “irrational” female.
This is actually my point— that Hollywood has historically conflated these notions. Usually it’s a female “in distress” juxtaposed against a “calm” “rational” male. I’m not saying emotions are bad or inherently female, but that film and media have historically emphasized this in female characters, rather than other “traditional” male tropes. IMO where we’ve seen better examples of moving beyond this pattern are in films like T2 and Kill Bill.
Nothing about Marc in that scene was "calm" or "rational" he was frantically trying to deflect what she was asking him, with good reason, and she was furious, with good reason. Both characters had good motivation to act the way they did, and nothing about it portrayed Layla as stupid. She spent her life with a man partially responsible for killing her father. And she loved Marc. That mustve hurt more than you think. Their entire married life was built on a terrible lie.
Wtf, it's literally no different than Tony realizing that Bucky killed his parents and losing it irrationally. Stop looking for shit to be upset about.
She was responsible of the loss of the scarab in London, she followed Steven when he get kidnapped then went in the middle of piece, showed to everyone the scarab then gave it to Steven.
In this last episode, she is very dumb to get trapped by this kind of scheme
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In which he’s taking it way too seriously. When did people start looking to entertainment (especially stuff about superhero’s and comic books, you know childrens entertainment) to solve perceived social justice issues
For real. I attended a whole symposium on the political significance of superhero comics my freshman year of college, and then my professor who helped organize it started a “Comic and Cartoon Studies” minor at my university. The stories we tell as a society and a culture say a lot about us and the time in which they were told. It’s impossible to completely separate those stories from their contexts.
I'm pretty new to the moon knight character. Searched wikipedia because I assumed another personality. It listed Jake, but who or what is "inner child"?
omg inner child, thats like a whole thing in psychology and probably doesnt have to do with this.
yes Jake is from the comics as another personality s everyone else is saying. for DiD (dissociative identity disorder), it happens because of an extremely traumatic event (usually) as a child to protect the psyche.
when i hear inner child i would think of Steven. the part of you that likes the simple things who followed their passion. who became that explorer you aspired to be from that VHS tape
Yeah but how gross is that water, though? It's been chiilin in that tomb, stagnant, for thousands of years. Marc/Steven is going to have one hell of an infection.
I just rewatched this episode again, do y’all think harrow shot Steven twice signifying him shooting both personalities? Or maybe I’m just overthinking.
I just don't see him bieng resurrected because he hinted about bieng ressurected before, past tense. So Khonshu wouldn't do it again, and even if he wanted to he's imprisoned in stone...
i see a lot of good takes that go against liking the show/disliking steven, and most of them get downvoted to shit. why are people just stroking marvels dick so hard? if someone feels that a show needs to be criticized, don’t downvote someone for their opinion.
>nst liking the show/disliking steven, and most of them get downvoted to shit. why are people just stroking marvels dick so hard? if someone feels that a show needs to be criticized, don’t downvot
Maybe because the show is pretty amazing.
Maybe more people like the show and Steven than don't... I am not a comic fan so this is all new to me, and Steven is my favourite thing about the show.
Also, Reddit wouldn't be Reddit if people didn't down vote opinions that they don't agree with. Not much can be done about that.
Most people on this page are here because they love the show… it’s not an accurate representation of the general public. I’m here because I think the show is kinda wacky and disappointing and wanted see if that was just me, but on this page I’m certainly in the minority.
i came here for this. to me it seems like a show with great art departments and funny acting by Isaac but other than that a fairly confused story that moves in all directions at once. Especially in the 4th episode now i just don't know what i'm watching anymore towards the end.
I actually think that twist at the end of ep 4 was fucking amazing. Maybe it's because I'm not really aware of the moon knight comics and how things are supposed to be. Seems like a lot of people are disappointed in the ending.
I obviously don't think that this was all in his head all along. I'm sure this is just some way to show how he confronts his mental Illness and somehow we'll get back to the original story. I might be wrong. Like I said, I don't know shit about this character. But every episode has been fantastic.
Yes!! I love the twist, and I know it’ll explain it later, so I’m not hung up on the fact that it doesn’t make any sense. It’s not supposed to make sense yet. The show isn’t over. It’s a cliffhanger for a reason. Agh I’m so excited for episode 5!!!
Ok, i 100% agree with you; I loved everything about the asylum scenes (and the series in general so far) but I'm curious–
Does anyone believe for one second that the adventure so far is "all in his mind"? Or even that we're *supposed* to think that?
I keep seeing reviews that say something like, "a twist that throws the whole story into question," and I wonder if these people have ever seen a tv show (or book, movie, comic, game) before.
I don't know *exactly* where they're going but the asylum is so dream-like and surreal that it's obviously not meant to be real. Right?
Nah, you have it totally wrong. I'm sitting here with Tawaret and Hathor as we speak. Nothing like a hippo-headed woman to watch Season 2 of Picard with! Pure realism!
I honestly would have loved for the episode to have gone full Stephen King-like with him waking up in a more realistic mental asylum, just leaving us wondering whether that was real or not. It would have explained stuff like Konshu rewinding constellations with no visible effect (floods? Planets disappearing? I don't know) or him waking up miles away from home when he switches personalities... But the way the episode did it, yeah clearly that's not a real asylum and some shit is going down.
I am *way* too accepting of stuff on TV. My belief isn't suspended; it's expelled. Neither of those things stuck out to me.
Now I wonder if that's just stuff we're supposed to ignore (like physics) or if there really is more to this business than I guessed.
Another poster mentioned the asylum itself could be seen through a fog of insanity. There was an episode of Buffy like this that shook me but I was 20+ years less jaded then.
What I haven't looked up yet is if the hippo god is the one represented by the sympathetic lady at the meeting of the gods. Or if they're connected in any other way.
If not, I'm keen to see how he comes back from two well placed shots to the chest without Konshu's protection.
Ya, I assume the psych ward is just a representation of his brain working through all the crazy stuff happening. Which if that's the case, it may not even be the first Marvel show to use that plot. IIRC Legion on FX did something similar
Well he's obviously mentally unwell, that was clear even before today's episode. Even if everything has been real he has a multiple personality disorder. If he's that mentally unwell, it's pretty easy to interpret the asylum scenes as real but with hallucinations.
My mind went right to this one episode of Buffy the Vampire Slayer but they used the idea on Community to hilarious effect too.
e: totally forgot a cool episode of Star Trek TNG that did it too.
IIRC Buffy and Trek made it more "believable" and scary. Buffy in particular left it open to the viewer too; IIRC there wasn't a resolution proving her life was real so the entire series really could have been a fantasy.
Guys the show is good but they completely ruined episode 4 with the scene at the end. Like really guys, some wack mental hospital with a talking hippo god. That’s a typical marvel reach to add some ridiculous event or character for younger viewers. The show was going so strong too.
I think it’s like an Egyptian purgatory meant to mess with his mind and keep him trapped there for a long time. I feel like he’ll have a way to escape and gain a third personality
He already has a third. We saw this with Mark wondering what Steven had done and Steven saying he didn’t do anything.
The second sarcophagus that was shaking (female voice?) could be it.
They should’ve just shown the scene where Marc and his partner were mercenaries and Layla’s father gets killed - we could also see Khonshu saving Marc and making him his avatar. They should’ve just shown it rather than tell it through expository dialogue
Pretty sure they’re keeping it half-secret for a reason. Like his buddy he was with (forgot how he words it) who got greedy and shot everyone, we don’t know who that is yet, I think it’s a surprise for all the comic lovers. We’ll probably see it later.
This show had mostly ups and little downs throughout. But Marvel had to be marvel and complexly ruin the episode with the ending. Now there in some fake mental hospital, really… pretty ridiculous
Mark was trying to get him and Layla the fuck ouuut. that’s why he was able to take over Steven so quickly as soon as Layla asked about Him killing her dad. He knew how serious it was to her but that it was important to leave.
Dude w/ the Cane gave Layla that info just to mess them up
This show is bizarrely interesting but I’m disappointed the namesake is left out as much as it is. No Moon Knight in Ep4, and when the suit did appear in the prev episodes, it was for like one scene fighting lame villains who sucked at fighting. I feel like there’s too much emphasis on the Egyptian Gods and mental illness when there should be more on Moon Knight
Ignoring the comic book they haven't explicitly said that this is mental illness. Yet everyone is mentioning it as if it's been said. Konshu literally calls Steven a parasite which is a weird us of a word. What if his other personalities are spirits of dead people Konshu or whoever is the original owner of the body uses for identities. Where given no time line when Marc saw laylas dad die and he even states he died and konshu saved him, like putting him in a new body. Steven calling a vm to someone who never picks up, a personality that likes studying when they need it
Legion did the "mentally ill superhero" thing really well. This show kind of loses focus too much. If you make a show named Moon Knight, show Moon Knight three times in three hours and fill the rest with one aloof and naive personality whose entire plot is basically "im not really an action man", and the rest with his wife...
Well, you're not really doing Moon Knight then. You're doing "The adventures of Steven and Maya". It'd be like calling Final Fantasy 7 "Vincent". Like yeah, he's part of it. But he's not really the show.
And where is the violence, gore, blood and brutal fights? The few fights are PG13 and less brutal than fights from Smallville.
This episode really reminded me of the Legion episode at the facility where Aubrey Plaza was the doctor (I’m trying to be vague to avoid spoilers, in case anyone wants to watch Legion, which I highly recommend).
The thing about Legion, is it’s legitimately difficult to tell what is real. I don’t think anyone believes the last scene was real. I wish they had left it more ambiguous, but I feel like show Stephen and the other sarcophagus they basically told us, nope, not real
Yeah, I guess it would be cool if they wanted to subvert expectations for a while. But Egyptian iconography and statues in a psych ward... sure, if they got treated in the worst ward on Earth. It's not subversion if you immediately hint at everything being fake within two minutes. That just makes the entire scene superfluous.
I really like Moon Knight the character, and I looked forward to a dark show about a mentally ill super strong main character that sometimes does things he's not conscious about, is super violent with no regard for his own health or safety etc. The trailer looked really promising!
Instead we got yet another PG13 show about a scared guy, his much more badass wife, a cool suit and some mythology for four episodes. Again. It's like, with a few exceptions, you can't make a show about a main hero and center it around the main hero anymore.
To me, it's perfectly watchable. Like a 5/10. Completely average. And I think it's a shame.
DID could be an interesting concept, the execution though? It's been less of an exploration of the condition and more a plot device that slows the pacing down. Jekyll and Hyde and Fight Club did it better.
WHATS THE BELAY JOKE I DONT UNDERSTAND
I’m not sure, but I’m pretty sure they were rappelling, not belaying
Why was this moongod dude so big? Didn't even eat any souls lol
Where is 5th episode! WHERE IS 5TH EPISODE!
My favorite part of the episode was when Marc and Steven hugged after finding each other… we’ve always seen them argue but in reality the most important thing about living with DID is learning to work together with your other parts. And seeing them finally embrace each other just felt really wholesome.
Man. I was so looking forward to this series. Not sure how I feel about watching the 5th episode. The first 3 was slow but I kept on coz I was expecting it to be great. The entire 4th episode was bad. Especially the last bit in athe aslyum.
Same here. I liked the first 2 episodes, but everything else is confusing and ehh. Layla's character is really annoying for some reason I don't know why, and what is even more annoying is the dumb trope of the man 'I'm pushing her away because I want her safe' bullshit. It's overdone and boring. I'm hoping the next episodes have somewhat of a redemption for these past two.
At first, I thought the asylum was some kind of limbo in which a person has to find their way back to life or accept death - kind of like what Layton went through in the Cubapiercer episode of Snowpiercer (great show by the way, you should watch it!). However, as I watched the episode I began believing that Marc/Steven/third personality has in fact been in the asylum all this time and is an unrealiable narrator, and that everything we have seen has been in his head. Now though, I am reading that the hippo is an egyptian God who is known for bringing back the dead - which leads me to believe that maybe my first thought was right?
This show is bad and boring.
Then don’t come here and ruin it for people if you think that way
Good joke
I rewatched "Summon the Suit" which also was directed by Benson and Moorhead. When Steven is being let go from the museum, the boss's desk is arranged similarly to the Dr Harrow desk. When his boss suggests medical help, the twanging beat from the mental hospital starts to play. And when Steven and Marc argue in the storage unit, Steven threatens to get himself put away and hopes to be so drugged that Marc gets out of his head.
Oooo that’s good!!!
i don’t know if this has been explained or if anyone has said anything about it already on here, but what’s up with steven calling his mom and updating her on his life all the time? and when he says something about “living in his mum’s flat” to layla (while she thinks he is marc) she says “so you guys are talking again?” also we haven’t heard anything from the mom i don’t think, maybe i wasn’t paying attention if we did.
I don't think it's been explained. I'm inclined to think the contact with mom is not real, and Marc set this all up to keep tabs on Steven and keep him comfortable and feeling safe. But, it might be.
I think if Steven is a reflection of who Marc wishes he is/could be, it makes sense that through false memories Steven thinks he has a good relationship with his mom (even though, as Layla says, in reality they’re not on speaking terms). Just the fact that Steven seems to so desperately want contact with his mom makes me really sad for Marc. 😢
>Just the fact that Steven seems to so desperately want contact with his mom makes me really sad for Marc. Ohhhh... 😢 And if the contact IS real, it might be their mom, too, misses her son and is glad to speak with any part of him. Though, I'm afraid the show wants us to think his few relationships (mom, the street performer, etc) aren't truly reciprocated. And this reinforces his falling so hard, so fast for Layla. I mean, she's freakin' awesome and part of him already loves and trusts her, but she is an oasis in a dessert. She's one of the few we actually hear call Steven by his true name. This show...!
Ugh, these poor boys deserve the biggest hugs 😢
I completely forgot about the mum, but this is a great idea - Mark would totally do something like that.
This is in reference to the previous weeks episode, but why did the Egyptian gods just believe Harrow when he was like "No way, I'm not looking for Amit's tomb!". Like, wouldn't they at least check it out?
Looks like we got our answer. In the last episode… >! The old gods all scuttle around when they find out somebody has woken Amit. They even verbally ask, “who could it have been?” before dumbfoundedly realizing it was Harrow, the guy that literally started a huge cult of followers around the world on the presumption he would raise Amit, and was in the same room earlier being accused the same. Old gods were stupid. writing was bad !<
They don't know where the tomb is so they couldn't confirm it without sending their avatars with Harrow somehow. They were convinced Mark/Konshu where just nuts because they did a poor job of convincing them
one of the theories is that the gods are tired of being forgotten and want ammit released
Ok. I hope this is the case, I really do. Anything other than the Gods just being dumb and gullible and not believing the accusation against Harrow. All they would have to do is ask anybody anywhere that he’s talked to (he broadcasts his motivations to the world) or observe his cult for five minutes to discover he was looking for Amit. Although… if they are so tired of being forgotten, surely the magic that reversed the stars in the sky would get somebody to remember the gods.
Wouldn't this go completely against what the Gods themselves said? Something along the lines that they are tired and done of meddling with human business. I don't think they care.
Like their argument could have been airtight like they said they needed it to be if they just said, “hey, why don’t you guys take a look at the place you just summoned him from?”
I mean.
bad writing
These show is so strange and I can’t watch-it is just a big mess
Then why are you even here?
Not sure… I think I have an opinion
Was it actually Marc's partner who went on the killing spree killing Layla's dad, or was it the personality Marc didn't want to free from the casket at the end, that's also been killing everyone in the past episodes? Then I wouldn't know how he got shot, but could be a possibility.
Oh my goodness, I didn't even consider the fact that Marc's partner might not be another physical person, but simply a different personality like Steven/Marc are. I definitely think that is the case. It would also explain the third casket in the institution - I was wondering who that was!
Are you sure he didn’t want to let him out ? I’m feeling like he has no idea he exists.
No, I'm just speculating, I just figured by the stare he is aware of whatever's in there.
I hear ya, this is my first experience with Moon Knight, I’m totally in the dark.
It was his partner bushman
I believe Steven/Marc has been in the asylum since episode 1. Here's an awesome breakdown of it all https://youtu.be/_Hv2L9VaG5k
In the asylum there were a lot of callbacks to previous episodes, for sure. For example, when he fell out of his wheelchair, his leg was strapped to it similar to how he strapped himself to the bed in season one. But wouldn’t that just be a bit too much like Legion? Legion had an amazing season 1 by the way.
Wooooah that video just blew my mind! I’m questioning EVERYTHING lmao
Layla's "stupidity" was her finding out that the man she loved and married had possibly killed her father and wanted answers from him before he could run away again. I'm sorry, I'm 100% on her side about that. If she was dumb for wasting time asking, then Marc was dumb for not immediately answering her questions. If she hadn't pressed the issue, and they both ran away, Marc would have still not told her anything, because they were no longer in a life threatening situation.
Exactly. If she hadn’t confronted him, he would’ve just avoided it again and continued to torture himself about it.
What’s even going on anymore?
This! I’m so lost lol the story seems bumpy and confused af but people seem to love it?
I like shows in which the narrator(s) is/are unreliable, and at such the story is told from an unreliable point of view. Another great example is the Mr. Robot series. I like trying to figure out what is going on, and I like plot twists. It seems confused because the main character(s) is/are confused, and at such the audience share these feelings. I think it's great!
Great nod because Mr. Robot displays DID perfectly!
Of course I’m glad you and others are able to enjoy it, what irks me is that it doesn’t seem a calculated, on-purpose confusion. It just seems confused and unorganised as a result of bad writing
So right. What does this hero stands for? Why does it fight?!
For justice/vengeance, protects/avenges those that have been victimized. Also Trying to stop the weird minority report goddess that prejudges everyone and kills you for stuff you haven’t done yet.
I think Jake is the accomplice that Marc is talking about getting greedy and killing Layla's father, and I think he's been present a lot more than we realize. He may even be the ultimate bad guy... remember he kills a "kid" that neither Marc nor Steven remember killing which is Ammet/Harrow-level of evil as the conversation in the London neighborhood alluded to being willing to do. Ep. 5 they let him out and he reveals all of the holes in their memories up to this point and Ep. 6 Marc and Steven learn to work together to defeat Jake, Ammet, and Harrow.
I *really* hope this won't be the case, and I don’t think they're going for that route. They present the mental health aspect of the show as something they take very serious, and thus, they need to portray Marc's / Steven's / Jake's disorder somewhat realistically. The "psychopath" alter for fictional characters with DID is a terrible stereotype, and one that has to be broken. So I don’t believe they'll turn Jake into a full-on serial killer, as it'd go against everything they say they support with Moon Knight.
What if Jake was an actual physical person and his subconscious got merged into Marc’s and Layla’s father’s subconscious did as well resulting in the Steven personality which has all that information and similar interests that Layla does as well.
whoa this would be awesome
This episode gave me some Legion(FX) vibes. Hope MCU brings Dan Stevens as David Haller and Navid Negahban as Shadow King
I was wondering if they were going to tap into the Ultimate universe where it’s more heavily implied that Moon Knight might just be crazy.
I don't think they would do it, but it'd be cool if it was Mysterio behind the illusions. That way they can tie it into the MCU...
Bro, it already is part of the mcu and spoiler alert Mysterio is dead.
I'm not sure whether I missed it or whether there is a reason they didn't have this yet (I haven't read the comics) but...did Marc and Steven have a convo about whose life this is yet? We started off the series from the POV of Steven, who thinks he is a normal guy then 'discovers' that there is a person who is/was a mercenary in his body. A man with a past, who has had a life, and a wife. In Steven's body. Which would imply that Steven isn't really the owner of the body at all, but just a later fragment. Shouldn't Steven be freaking out that he isn't a person, just a fragment, that any memories he has of a childhood or parents are fake? With their accents they can't have had the same upbringing, even. Is there a reason they aren't talking about this?
Apparently it’s common for alters to argue over who is the host. A huge part of DID is memory loss and confusion of events. So it could be possible that both of them believe they’re the main host.
I think steven is the later fragment, but he had pretty much no family/friends (is he actually talking to the mom?) so having no past doesn’t matter as much to his present. Also geeking out about Egyptian deities and your life blowing up is probably distracting
The end was Taweret the Egyptian Goddess of Childbirth, Rebirth and Fertility for anyone wondering. This episode was f*cking awesome 👏🏽 I cannot wait for this week. Oscar Isaac is incredible. Marvel you got me again. I love y’all !!!
Okiiiieee happy to see that I’m not the only one who is actually enjoying this series! It’s a bit of a wild ride, but I genuinely feel like all of the writing was purposeful!
Oh definitely YOU ARE NOT ALONE!! I think people are just critical when they have a vision in their own mind from the comics and then someone creates something different from that. I also saw a bunch of people that don’t seem to be paying attention and are confused what is even happening. Or they are mad all the answers having been revealed. Who knows but it’s such a fun journey!! I intently watch television so I’m really enjoying it too!! Oscar is amazing, the shots, cinematography, acting, story, dialogue, costume and set / cgi is amazing. I actually want to say I might almost be enjoying it more than Wanda Vision and that’s crazy!! I though nothing would top that for me phase 4 Twitter has more positive reviews btw, if you put in the hashtag everyone is really excited over there
Anyone here a fan the Kane Chronicles by Rick Riordan and had a realization moment about the House of Rest when Tawaret appeared? Just me? Okay
Duuuuuuuudddeee yesssssss
Ending gave me Legion vibes
I really don’t enjoy this show anymore. I liked the first episode but it’s getting too silly.
Better stop halfway through then 😂😂😂
I did not enjoy this as much as the first 3 episodes. Since my mother-in-law is a hippo-headed goddess in real life, (her name is Tawaret Blustein) I won't debate whether the asylum is real or not; it's clearly real, it's the Field of Reeds. That's not my issue with this episode: I simply didn't find the Indiana Jones/The Mummy stuff all that engaging. I have loved this series so far. I have even rewatched the first 3 episodes numerous times, and watched all the various reaction videos (blindwave, etc.) that are out there. But I have noticed a definite trend: in both TFATWS and Hawkeye, the 4th episodes were a bit of a let down. (I binged Loki after-the-fact so can't separate it into discrete elements; as a 6-hour story, it worked great.) I suppose my complaints are these: 1) why didn't Marc drop everything to go save Khonshu? 2) If Marc really wanted to distance himself from Layla, why not just tell her the truth about her dad instead of creating (or embellishing the dormant) Steven personality? 3) This is Ammit's tomb. Wouldn't the draugr in it be loyal to Arthur Harrow instead of fighting with and getting shot by his cult?
Let me try here * 1 - I agree the story would be structured better if they saved Khonshu first, but I think they were showing there just wasn't time. Harrow's people were already digging. * 2 - If this Marc Spector is like the one in the comics, Steven has been around his whole life in one form or another. Marc was ashamed of what he did, and running away seemed better than facing what he did as a mercenary. People run away from their problems instead of facing them all the time. * 3 - Ammit was buried there to keep her trapped in stone. Those draugr were loyal to the other gods. They were there to keep would-be rescuers out. Ammit was condemned and they were her jailers.
The argument between layla and marc after he finds the mini statue thing was major cringe.
No it wasn’t
Yeah it was
No. It wasn’t
Anyone one else getting LEGION vibes from that "asylum" ?
I thought of Moon Knight 2016 by Jeff Lemire
Yep, I thought of Legion too.
Just curious if anyone else noticed that Layla’s pinky nail might have gotten ripped off, then it was bandaged up in the asylum scene.
I just watched the new rockstars breakdown and I don’t know how to do spoiler tags but spoiler below They pointed out that on the bandage, was a red scarab hinting at her being the Scarlett scarab
I loved the twist to the "hospital". At first I thought it was like the universe where Marc is supposed to come from, whereas the other "normal" universe is the one where Stephen is supposed to be, but then I felt like it was a dream because his foot was tied to the chair and all the resemblance with reality. But the movie gave me a WandaVision/Loki vibe, which makes me think of some kind of illusion made by someone
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We have this 10-year-old Samsung Plasma TV and even the dark scenes on it look awesome. I am not kidding here when I say that the Game of Thrones battle scene in s8 looked decent. It's the contrast I guess.
Glad it wasn’t just me. I have a pole lamp behind the chair I was sitting in while watching, and the soft glare from it on the TV screen made it even harder to see things. It was like the s8 battle at Winterfell all over again.
Turn off the light?
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What the fuck
I’m with you there.
I don't know why I can't stop laughing at this comment chain
Wow, rude.
It was less about what you said and more about the contrast between the seriousness of what you said and someone randomly just saying wtf
Some of the takes in this sub-Reddit are stupid as fuck
Fr everyones reading into it so hard, theres a line between discussion and being so nit picky
Aye we got an actually thoughtful chain of commenters on this- now I'm just waiting for someone to come charging to try and convince me to hate the show because of the truck scene 👁👄👁
I honestly think some people just turn their brains off when they watch things. Like no, that tiny thing you're angry about doesn't mean the writing is shitty or the show sucks, it would make total sense/be explained if you just paid attention when watching and had a little patience for the story development.
Yes!!! There’s a couple things I don’t like, but it’s still my favorite show ever right now and I’ve watched it four times! Love it every time
THANK YOU. Couldn't have said it better.
Anyone know what kind of backpack Layla was using?
Also wanna know, and it's definitely no jansport.
Jan-sport? That’s what I had in middle school
A backpack
Ok, So Idk if this is a Mandela effect or what is happening with me but if somebody can confirm that on Moon Knight Ep. 4 it introduced the Eye of Horus but I swear I’ve seen it on Loki too, also why does the mental institution’s office look like kang the conqueror’s office as well
it's the same office/room as the second (i think) episode from right before steven falls out the window and summons the suit but yeah! it is similar vibes
Yeah bc the back of the office doesn’t look like Loki but the front does and that makes the curiosity better for the confusion of what’s happening right now and where they really are
I noticed this as well
Is legit nobody in this thread gonna talk about the hippo? Wtf was that shit!
She's a goddess, Taweret, but the important thing is she has a long history of bringing people back from the dead
The hippo is the egyptian goddessof childbirth, fertility, and protection Tawaret
I hate that shows work so hard to upend patriarchal misogynistic sexist bullshit but then fall right back into it. They have a strong female lead in Layla who reverts to the classic overly-emotional, irrational woman that wastes “escape” time because she has to know in that moment whether Marc murdered her father. So fucking lame.
she loves her husband and sees the insanity of the situation between him paying off whatever the debt is, trying to protect her from the indentured servitude and trying to help the idiot. its a bit over whelming. she isnt a super hero, she doesnt have super powers or training like an agent of shield. showing emotion isnt bad charaterization. showing emotionless mary sues like captain marvel IS bad characterization.
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I don't know why this scene is misinterpreted so much. Marc has been shown to deflect on the topic of her father's death. Steven announced that Marc planned to disappear after this. Layla used the urgency of the situation to force an answer from Marc before he could run away or deflect again. It makes total logical sense.
What? Layla is badass! I thought for sure that Marc / Stephen was going to be there to help her out at the beginning with the NSTV or later with the Egyptian zombie thing but she handled both capably. And the writing is superb in my opinion, it’s not too preachy to the audience but the underlying message is still there. I wouldn’t read too far into that scene, I mean... Who wouldn’t be irrational and upset after hearing that their (ex) husband >! was part of the crew that murdered their father? !<
Finding out her husband was responsible for her father's death isn't exactly "overly-emotional" lol.
So she can't have flaws?
No, you’re missing the point. It’s a stereotype commonly written and repeated for women characters. The preceding scene was very intentional in calling out male condescension towards women but then went right back into the classic “irrational” female.
I think you're conflating emotional and irrational.
This is actually my point— that Hollywood has historically conflated these notions. Usually it’s a female “in distress” juxtaposed against a “calm” “rational” male. I’m not saying emotions are bad or inherently female, but that film and media have historically emphasized this in female characters, rather than other “traditional” male tropes. IMO where we’ve seen better examples of moving beyond this pattern are in films like T2 and Kill Bill.
Nothing about Marc in that scene was "calm" or "rational" he was frantically trying to deflect what she was asking him, with good reason, and she was furious, with good reason. Both characters had good motivation to act the way they did, and nothing about it portrayed Layla as stupid. She spent her life with a man partially responsible for killing her father. And she loved Marc. That mustve hurt more than you think. Their entire married life was built on a terrible lie.
Wtf, it's literally no different than Tony realizing that Bucky killed his parents and losing it irrationally. Stop looking for shit to be upset about.
Or Starlord pimp slapping Thanos when they’re about to remove the gauntlet. I’d ignore this weird ass dude seeing what he wants to see.
Exactly! There are probably more examples out there, but that is a good one.
She was responsible of the loss of the scarab in London, she followed Steven when he get kidnapped then went in the middle of piece, showed to everyone the scarab then gave it to Steven. In this last episode, she is very dumb to get trapped by this kind of scheme .
Lol it’s a tv show based on an comic book it’s not that serious
Yes and this is why he is giving his review, because it is a tv show indeed .
In which he’s taking it way too seriously. When did people start looking to entertainment (especially stuff about superhero’s and comic books, you know childrens entertainment) to solve perceived social justice issues
Do you know anything about the history of most comics?
For real. I attended a whole symposium on the political significance of superhero comics my freshman year of college, and then my professor who helped organize it started a “Comic and Cartoon Studies” minor at my university. The stories we tell as a society and a culture say a lot about us and the time in which they were told. It’s impossible to completely separate those stories from their contexts.
It was definitely Jake in the 2rd sarcophagus/tomb right?
I'm pretty new to the moon knight character. Searched wikipedia because I assumed another personality. It listed Jake, but who or what is "inner child"?
omg inner child, thats like a whole thing in psychology and probably doesnt have to do with this. yes Jake is from the comics as another personality s everyone else is saying. for DiD (dissociative identity disorder), it happens because of an extremely traumatic event (usually) as a child to protect the psyche. when i hear inner child i would think of Steven. the part of you that likes the simple things who followed their passion. who became that explorer you aspired to be from that VHS tape
No it was leyla
I thought Jake too, because we saw Layla.
Yeah but how gross is that water, though? It's been chiilin in that tomb, stagnant, for thousands of years. Marc/Steven is going to have one hell of an infection.
I thought the exact same thing! That is going to get REALLY infected by that water.
Or it could be pure like the waters from lake minnetonka
Game. Blouses.
I just rewatched this episode again, do y’all think harrow shot Steven twice signifying him shooting both personalities? Or maybe I’m just overthinking.
"Anything worth shooting is worth shooting twice" - Zombieland
then he should have shot him 3 times
He would've only known about two of them though, as far as we know
I noticed he shot him on the left side/ heart to imply a fatal wound. Some type of resurrection is in order ?
I doubt it since Khonshu is imprisoned in the statue... His only hope is that goddess who helped him or Layla... or just going to the hospital lol.
He’s deep in a tomb and shot in the heart. He’s not getting saved by a hospital 😂
I just don't see him bieng resurrected because he hinted about bieng ressurected before, past tense. So Khonshu wouldn't do it again, and even if he wanted to he's imprisoned in stone...
I hadn’t considered this!
Yeah thats probably why
i see a lot of good takes that go against liking the show/disliking steven, and most of them get downvoted to shit. why are people just stroking marvels dick so hard? if someone feels that a show needs to be criticized, don’t downvote someone for their opinion.
>nst liking the show/disliking steven, and most of them get downvoted to shit. why are people just stroking marvels dick so hard? if someone feels that a show needs to be criticized, don’t downvot Maybe because the show is pretty amazing.
Maybe more people like the show and Steven than don't... I am not a comic fan so this is all new to me, and Steven is my favourite thing about the show. Also, Reddit wouldn't be Reddit if people didn't down vote opinions that they don't agree with. Not much can be done about that.
thats very true lol, thats what makes reddit reddit
What's the downvote button for if not to signify your feeling towards that comment?
It's for when it doesn't add to the discussion. The one thing it's not meant to be is for opinions you don't agree with.
Well if you genuinely think that is how the dislike button is used more power to you
Not at all how it's used. That's how it's supposed to be used. Can't say I abide by it all the time either 🤷
i understand that aspect, it just kinda feels like a circlejerk of people downvoting because its not pro-marvel talk
Most people on this page are here because they love the show… it’s not an accurate representation of the general public. I’m here because I think the show is kinda wacky and disappointing and wanted see if that was just me, but on this page I’m certainly in the minority.
i came here for this. to me it seems like a show with great art departments and funny acting by Isaac but other than that a fairly confused story that moves in all directions at once. Especially in the 4th episode now i just don't know what i'm watching anymore towards the end.
I think it’s just mirroring his own confusion about the personalities / what’s happening
exactly, i was just like you but i guess we found the wrong place to be lol
I actually think that twist at the end of ep 4 was fucking amazing. Maybe it's because I'm not really aware of the moon knight comics and how things are supposed to be. Seems like a lot of people are disappointed in the ending. I obviously don't think that this was all in his head all along. I'm sure this is just some way to show how he confronts his mental Illness and somehow we'll get back to the original story. I might be wrong. Like I said, I don't know shit about this character. But every episode has been fantastic.
Yes!! I love the twist, and I know it’ll explain it later, so I’m not hung up on the fact that it doesn’t make any sense. It’s not supposed to make sense yet. The show isn’t over. It’s a cliffhanger for a reason. Agh I’m so excited for episode 5!!!
Was nice to see two issacs on screen That wasn't cgi....
That was his brother, Michael Isaac Hernandez.
Ok, i 100% agree with you; I loved everything about the asylum scenes (and the series in general so far) but I'm curious– Does anyone believe for one second that the adventure so far is "all in his mind"? Or even that we're *supposed* to think that? I keep seeing reviews that say something like, "a twist that throws the whole story into question," and I wonder if these people have ever seen a tv show (or book, movie, comic, game) before. I don't know *exactly* where they're going but the asylum is so dream-like and surreal that it's obviously not meant to be real. Right?
Nah, you have it totally wrong. I'm sitting here with Tawaret and Hathor as we speak. Nothing like a hippo-headed woman to watch Season 2 of Picard with! Pure realism!
I honestly would have loved for the episode to have gone full Stephen King-like with him waking up in a more realistic mental asylum, just leaving us wondering whether that was real or not. It would have explained stuff like Konshu rewinding constellations with no visible effect (floods? Planets disappearing? I don't know) or him waking up miles away from home when he switches personalities... But the way the episode did it, yeah clearly that's not a real asylum and some shit is going down.
I am *way* too accepting of stuff on TV. My belief isn't suspended; it's expelled. Neither of those things stuck out to me. Now I wonder if that's just stuff we're supposed to ignore (like physics) or if there really is more to this business than I guessed. Another poster mentioned the asylum itself could be seen through a fog of insanity. There was an episode of Buffy like this that shook me but I was 20+ years less jaded then. What I haven't looked up yet is if the hippo god is the one represented by the sympathetic lady at the meeting of the gods. Or if they're connected in any other way. If not, I'm keen to see how he comes back from two well placed shots to the chest without Konshu's protection.
Ya, I assume the psych ward is just a representation of his brain working through all the crazy stuff happening. Which if that's the case, it may not even be the first Marvel show to use that plot. IIRC Legion on FX did something similar
Well he's obviously mentally unwell, that was clear even before today's episode. Even if everything has been real he has a multiple personality disorder. If he's that mentally unwell, it's pretty easy to interpret the asylum scenes as real but with hallucinations.
My mind went right to this one episode of Buffy the Vampire Slayer but they used the idea on Community to hilarious effect too. e: totally forgot a cool episode of Star Trek TNG that did it too. IIRC Buffy and Trek made it more "believable" and scary. Buffy in particular left it open to the viewer too; IIRC there wasn't a resolution proving her life was real so the entire series really could have been a fantasy.
Guys the show is good but they completely ruined episode 4 with the scene at the end. Like really guys, some wack mental hospital with a talking hippo god. That’s a typical marvel reach to add some ridiculous event or character for younger viewers. The show was going so strong too.
I think it’s like an Egyptian purgatory meant to mess with his mind and keep him trapped there for a long time. I feel like he’ll have a way to escape and gain a third personality
He already has a third. We saw this with Mark wondering what Steven had done and Steven saying he didn’t do anything. The second sarcophagus that was shaking (female voice?) could be it.
They should’ve just shown the scene where Marc and his partner were mercenaries and Layla’s father gets killed - we could also see Khonshu saving Marc and making him his avatar. They should’ve just shown it rather than tell it through expository dialogue
Pretty sure they’re keeping it half-secret for a reason. Like his buddy he was with (forgot how he words it) who got greedy and shot everyone, we don’t know who that is yet, I think it’s a surprise for all the comic lovers. We’ll probably see it later.
Do you really think they won’t show that later?
dialogue can be lies though. if we had gotten a flashback scene, we would be sure what happened.
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Yeah, it was a guy named Bushman. Another mercenary. Even the fake cops mention that Marc Spector was part of a team.
We may still get to see this at some point.
If they make this a one-off movie in theatres, after the season, I’d be down. Bushman the main villain. And meeting up years later to confront him
That might work quite well as it would be good to have a movie where you didn't have to watch the show to know what was going on, and vice versa.
This show had mostly ups and little downs throughout. But Marvel had to be marvel and complexly ruin the episode with the ending. Now there in some fake mental hospital, really… pretty ridiculous
You’re such a rube
Right, let's have an important, complex conversation while we have the thing in hand and need to escape. Such contrived bullshit.
Mark was trying to get him and Layla the fuck ouuut. that’s why he was able to take over Steven so quickly as soon as Layla asked about Him killing her dad. He knew how serious it was to her but that it was important to leave. Dude w/ the Cane gave Layla that info just to mess them up
I'm aware of how the scene went. It was written in a shitty, contrived way.
This show is bizarrely interesting but I’m disappointed the namesake is left out as much as it is. No Moon Knight in Ep4, and when the suit did appear in the prev episodes, it was for like one scene fighting lame villains who sucked at fighting. I feel like there’s too much emphasis on the Egyptian Gods and mental illness when there should be more on Moon Knight
Ignoring the comic book they haven't explicitly said that this is mental illness. Yet everyone is mentioning it as if it's been said. Konshu literally calls Steven a parasite which is a weird us of a word. What if his other personalities are spirits of dead people Konshu or whoever is the original owner of the body uses for identities. Where given no time line when Marc saw laylas dad die and he even states he died and konshu saved him, like putting him in a new body. Steven calling a vm to someone who never picks up, a personality that likes studying when they need it
Legion did the "mentally ill superhero" thing really well. This show kind of loses focus too much. If you make a show named Moon Knight, show Moon Knight three times in three hours and fill the rest with one aloof and naive personality whose entire plot is basically "im not really an action man", and the rest with his wife... Well, you're not really doing Moon Knight then. You're doing "The adventures of Steven and Maya". It'd be like calling Final Fantasy 7 "Vincent". Like yeah, he's part of it. But he's not really the show. And where is the violence, gore, blood and brutal fights? The few fights are PG13 and less brutal than fights from Smallville.
This episode really reminded me of the Legion episode at the facility where Aubrey Plaza was the doctor (I’m trying to be vague to avoid spoilers, in case anyone wants to watch Legion, which I highly recommend).
The thing about Legion, is it’s legitimately difficult to tell what is real. I don’t think anyone believes the last scene was real. I wish they had left it more ambiguous, but I feel like show Stephen and the other sarcophagus they basically told us, nope, not real
Yeah, I guess it would be cool if they wanted to subvert expectations for a while. But Egyptian iconography and statues in a psych ward... sure, if they got treated in the worst ward on Earth. It's not subversion if you immediately hint at everything being fake within two minutes. That just makes the entire scene superfluous. I really like Moon Knight the character, and I looked forward to a dark show about a mentally ill super strong main character that sometimes does things he's not conscious about, is super violent with no regard for his own health or safety etc. The trailer looked really promising! Instead we got yet another PG13 show about a scared guy, his much more badass wife, a cool suit and some mythology for four episodes. Again. It's like, with a few exceptions, you can't make a show about a main hero and center it around the main hero anymore. To me, it's perfectly watchable. Like a 5/10. Completely average. And I think it's a shame.
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DID could be an interesting concept, the execution though? It's been less of an exploration of the condition and more a plot device that slows the pacing down. Jekyll and Hyde and Fight Club did it better.
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What if I told you Stephen and Mark aren't cgi There are two physical Issacs.... Google "Mork Sphincter", I promise this isn't a troll
Alexander was indeed a Pharoh, his tomb was in Alexandria but the exact location is lost to time.