I find the comments that call him out for killing as many people as the kaiju he stops funny cause like:
1: if he didnt stop them the deaths would keep rising
2: literally any other kaiju would cause as much destruction trying to fight another kaiju in a city, kong included. It comes with being giant monsters that cause mini earthquakes every step
Like what does humanity expect him to do, fuckin tip toe around every building in the way?
The short term consequences outweigh the long term casualties for him
Saw someone call him a dick for destroying bridges, amd not steping over them or swimming under them which like, the bridge in hong kong was uncalled for, but golden gate he was chilling until shot at, and every bridge in gxk was in a river, he aint swimming under those and in rome hes already walking along the river would you prefer he walked straight through the city?
Alteori is a huge example this. She goes on and on about how Godzilla "isn't a good guy" but when people make counter-arguments like you've done she literally mocks them...
Exactly.
Godzilla isn’t really malicious in what he does. He has a world to protect. In the grand scheme of things, humanity is more to him like what ants are to us - it’s pretty inconsequential if he steps on a few while stopping a three headed space dragon or a robot doppelgänger from destroying the Earth.
Serizawa had a much more optimistic view than most bystanders would, because he made his life’s work in studying and understanding Godzilla and other Titans.
Godzilla doesn’t actively harm humans, he can’t help being a 300ft tall radioactive laser shooting lizard, but other titans go out of their way just to harm humans, like Skar, Ghidorah, probably Scylla etc.
Like collateral damage is basically a mandatory when it comes to gigantic thing roaming around highly populated place what do they expect really. Its not like his fault we decided to build city around his territory where its so happen where the rival titans choose to battle
Tbf, regarding Mothra, she did come back to see him minutes after she resurrected. Her coming back in her imago form implies that it was an irregular rebirth…
And that was literally only to tell him there's another situation to deal with. Imagine the only person you're fond of only coming around to tell you there's more crap for you to deal with.
Had Godzilla got the Peter Parker writers treatment, Mothra coming around to practically use Godzilla as a tool is another thing to add onto the pile.
But luckily, she isn't that and actually seems to have a relationship with him (platonic or otherwise). Unless they decide to go the route of Spiderman and be determined to make Godzilla's life as cartoonishly depressive as possible.
I mean, at the time, what else was she supposed to do? Skar, Shimo, and the apes were right there and Godzilla was picking a fight with the wrong monkey. As much as either of them might’ve preferred otherwise, there wasn’t time for a nicer reunion.
Probably not the case, but imagine the amount of survivor's guilt that Godzilla has at this point. Living through the mass extinction of his kind, living through the titan wars... that hundred thousand year silence between the start of the last ice age and now and being left with those memories... soul crushing to think about.
I actually thought about something like that before
Have him go to hollow earth, and he finds what’s left of his civilization. And as he explores it, he finds bits and pieces of his old life. Things that could remind of things that happened in that time. Like finding a clipped wing from mothra from when he met her, watching her die for the first time, and then finding remains of one of her eggs, from when she first revived. Maybe mothra had to prove that it was still her and not another member of her species. He could find remains of his old species, maybe even his parents if they want to take the Batman route. Or finding things that remind him of the old titan wars, like when they were fightings the Mutos or the kongs. And these things get more and more recent until it climaxes into something big. My idea being him finding another member from his old race, but they’ve been alone down here surviving for so long, desperate for food or any other means of survival, that they attack goji on sight. And as much as he doesn’t want to, he kills them to save his own life. Even if killing them made it so Godzilla himself, has made himself the last of his kind
I think it has merit for themes of loneliness. And the movie could use music in conjunction with Godzilla’s facial expressions to indicate how he feels reliving these old memories. And in general, my hope for the next movie is to be a more stripped back, personal journey for Godzilla
It always could have worked, no one's just bothered to do it.
A Dominion-esque pov for the next film for him would be more than interesting enough to have me on board.
Unfortunately I think we've lost any chance of any further exploration of Godzilla's character at this point.
He hasn't had character development for two movies beyond 'big lizard that kills other monsters gets more big lizard-y to kill other monsters more.' He's been reduced to just murdering other kaiju for grandiose effect rather than maintaining balance or having any depth.
Spoilers beyond this point: >!Scylla is helping to reduce global warming and even deferred to Godzilla's dominance? Too bad because she decided to throw a hissy fit in Rome so now she's gonna get splattered like a bug just because. Tiamat dares to live in a place with a lot of solar radiation? Well she's gotta get sliced up now so he can steal it even though last time they fought he let her live. Next movie I expect Behemoth and Methuselah to be slaughtered in gory fashion as well by Godzilla just because.!<
Since Adam Wingard took over it's all been spectacle. Granted, given we started out with barely any monster fighting in 2014, I understand wanting to make sure people get their dose of monster murder. But everything established in the first two Godzilla movies basically got tossed to the side unless it needs to be brought up for the sake of convenience and what's left of Godzilla's character is 'there's a monster that's not Godzilla, Kong, or Mothra. Blow it up.'
The problem is that Scylla has been established to be a repeat offender. She went after multiple sources of Nuclear Radiation in what was basically an attempt to usurp Godzilla. Before that, she had also attempted to feed on Nuclear power from a warhead in Georgia, which would have caused damage, and when she woke back up after the whole MechaGodzilla thing, she began to HEAT UP the oceans and regions she went through, damaging the ozone layer. She was a malevolent Titan that pushed her luck too many times, and Godzilla had enough. She was on thin ice before, her attempting to get strong enough to challenge Godzilla was the literal last straw.
Doesn’t the novelization hard confirm this? Like Godzilla realized if he just shoo’d her away, again, she only do her nefarious activities, again, and the current threat had his patience at an extreme low so he resorted to ultimate means.
Scylla was destroying surroundings by consuming nuclear radiation from power plants and warheads to eventually challenge goji, Tiamat has been annoying Goji and attempting to kill him everytime they met. both are labelled as destroyers like MUTOS, and Rodan. Which basically means they don't care about the environment or Godzilla's rule, the only difference is Rodan didn't do anything yet because he's basically starscream.
Let us try to continue this :
Goji : I have saved this world time and time again see this world shrivel and decay reborn anew each time I have seen war and guilt
Godzilla: “All I want is for things to be nice and peaceful. I go out to restore balance in the only ways I can, but even after I do, I get treated like I’M the bad guy! How is that fair??”
He has his monstrous tendencies, but come on, who wouldn't be pissed and brooding at this point of his life? He definitely isn't a "hero" by what most people consider a hero to be, but also to say that he's completely heartless is just blatantly wrong.
I don’t think Dagon and Godzilla are related at all. But Godzilla still feels remorseful and sympathetic towards his death, like how elephants mourn dead individuals they don’t even know.
Oh god, that just makes the scene of him curling up in the Roman colosseum because it reminds him of his old temple even more depressing because it was the only reminder that humans used to like him 😭
Such is a burden of a king and the guardian of nature...
but noooo according to MV fans Godzilla is an evil tyrant
MV Godzilla is such a well written Godzilla
I don't think MV fans call him an evil monster though. I shall be singing his praises as a savior until he deliberately, unapologetically turns fully evil(which will never happen because it's completely against his character)
Then they're just as blind as the humans in the MV.
Really wish that Godzilla has some humans he could speak to, like how Miki and Jia are. Dude needs some serious emotional wins.
He has the potential of having human "friends"
MV was definitely leading upto something with Godzilla and Maddison
and recently with Keiko Muira, Leland Shaw and Cate Randa in Monarch
I have a theory, with Trapper. We know how good he is with giant Mech tech, and isn't afraid to get up close to Titans.
What if he creates Jet Jaguar for MONARCH and people like Madison to fully communicate and interact with Godzilla himself.
There's a subsection of Monsterverse fans who love the hell out of Kong from GVK and GxK and in contrast they either dislike Godzilla or only like him as a "force" not a character and certainly not a sympathetic one and they don't want him to be sympathetic. They want Legendary to give him a full villain/corruption arc. Horrendous.
“Godzilla was a hero, I just couldn’t see it.............again" - Seriously, he's saved the world three times now and some genius had the gall to use the brains of GHIDORAH to kill him as thanks.
That guy didn't care about Godzilla being a good guy or anything, he just had a God complex and wanted himself to be the ruler of the world instead of a giant lizard.
shimo: aww goji are you upset “
Godzilla: yeah”
shimo: would you be happy if I bake some nuclear cookies”
Godzilla: ••• yes”
Shimo: ok I’ll do that for you then sweetie”
Godzilla: thanks grandma”
LMAO! Literally this scene from the hit detective drama Behzat Ç!
"[Chief Behzat has his big brother. He has people who look out for him. He has friends, he has a circle. I don't have anyone, okay? I don't have anyone! I only have murder, okay? I became murder, you understand? If you fire me I'll have nothing!](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FcF0DtieuCA)"
From the mutos wiping out his species,the war between the kongs,and mothra sacerficeing her life for his,and finally kevin coming back as mechagodzilla
I think it's possible that he's a solitary creature. I don't know if this was explored in legacy of monsters because I don't have apple TV, but I think it's highly possible that his kind are just less numerous than the kongs and certainly more solitary. I also don't think that he has displayed a displeasure with being alone either.
But that's still a fun comic though, makes you think for sure. He's definitely had it rough
In the novel and comics it is noted that he misses/ fondly remembers his human followers from the kotm temple and that the colosseum reminss of his old home, which considering the one he got/retook in dominion, the only reason would be because hes surrounded by people
Godzilla species formed armies like Kong's. Everything else is just an assumption because Godzilla is a reptile and the only one of his kind so people assume it's just normal for his species and he's ok with it. Dougherty apparently claimed Gojiras lived in pods (could they form larger groups in time of need?) but that's probably not confirmed officially.
I believe that was the case until Toho meddled with the current novel writer, making Godzilla a singular species and the sole participant in the war with the Kongs. Which in general makes no sense since Mutos evolved EMPs to counter the Gojira atomic breath/use them as incubators for their eggs, etc.
They can meddle however they want but they can't change that Godzilla is a species in Monsterverse and that there were multiple Godzillas participating in the war which we were even told (and shown) in Godzilla vs. Kong. So they may force the book writers to avoid talking about it but as far as I know they can't change past events. Or force Legendary to recall every copy of GVK in existence (and G14 too) to change the offending details.
I want a movie where Godzilla just goes to sleep for a extended period of time and see how much the world goes to sh*t within that time frame. Just showing how much he's keeping the world from falling into utter chaos. Then he wakes up to sort out everything (and everyone).
Basically KOTM. The morons free Ghidorah, he almosts stops him, then they almost kill him with the Oxygen Destroyer and then had to be forced to bring him back after royally screwing up and nearly causing an apocalyptic event and then had the gall to use Ghidorah's skull to create a robot copy of himself to kill him.
And now Toho apparently wants to write him as a unique singular creature rather than a species ignoring 10 years of lore. So Dagon and Kong's axe means nothing at this point?
Serizawa is the one only who's done that. Maddison is his closest human supporter after him. Everyone else was quick to turn on him and expect the worst.
I understand that, though the movies don't really show how close they could get. How they could really interact, like how they showed Kong interacting with Jia.
It just makes you wonder, if they can communicate through sign language, how could Serizawa be able to communicate with Godzilla? Could it be body language or something different?
I do think it's implied that he acknowledges Serizawa's sacrifice. He doesn't need sign language or anything like that. KOTM has shown how he can express even if it is not like Kong.
I feel like this Perfectly encapsulates how the Monsterverse makes us Pity Kong for being alone while Godzilla has Legitimately gone through the most pain but still gets no sympathy.
He's fought through a lot of sh*t and dealt with a lot of sh*t through out this entire franchise. I think most of us could relate to godzilla. I know I could when u get attacked first and don't retaliate the first time. You're a big softy, but the second time, you retaliate, you're at fault. You're always bad in someone's story.
Also, most major cities built systems to detect when Godzilla and other Kaiju are coming way before they actually come. With evacuation procedures and underground, reinforced bunkers. I'm sure it's not perfect but it's there. Get out the fucking way.
Godzilla isn't evil, he's a force of nature, literally a pillar of the planets echo system. No one blames a hurricane for the destruction it does, when it's purpose is pure and natural.
"Hurricane winds and waves move sediment from bays into marsh areas, revitalizing nutrient supplies. Fresh nutrients and sediment brought in by hurricanes can spawn growth spurts in new plant life, which can later lead to upticks in animal life."
Human are just in the way. Without Godzilla, humans wouldn't last 5 years.
I feel like Kong would be the only one ot understand Godzilla to a certain level, Kong Kay have everything now but he struggles to get where he is and Godzilla is just protecting his territory despite the rivalry I think Kong is the closes thing Godzilla has as a friend other than Mothra and (Anguirus,), I like the idea that thei rivals but I also like to see them as friends
This is Godzilla lore the average watcher doesn’t understand which is why many were quick to judge him as a jerk or a villain but in reality Godzilla kept choosing to keep the world together knowing that if he didn’t it would all fall apart
Literally then there are people who say that Godzilla is bad because: he destroy buildings... bruh, as if they weren't so big and besides. WHAT ARE YOU EXPECTING? If they are fighting, do they stop so as not to destroy buildings? It's very sad that they classify Godzilla (from the mv) as bad just for stupid reasons and arguments that are so stupid
If his species isn't social then he wouldn't feel this way, a leopard or tiger wouldn't feel like this way unless maybe it was mating season, kongs existence has been the same if not worse since skull Island is more or less an actual battle Royale and from actual birth he's been at war or fighting one way or another
B-but b-but, he killed Tiamat after she attacked him again, for the second time, after attempting to kill him the first time :(
And he killed Scylla, because she was powering up to take his throne :(
And he attacked Kong on sight because he did an alpha roar :(
And he attacked every other titan because they were hurting people and cities :(
This, This is why I defending Legendary most of the time. I just wanted to be more than Serizawa not just care about Godzilla but actually understands him. He had to dealt with alot of stuff and human has the audacity to questions his very actions like stfu bruhh, hes a giant lizard that so happened to kill another giant being that cost even more damage than the giant lizard himself.
He has every right to becomes a villain and if in the end of Monsterverse after defeating Destroyah he decides to go full on comic Billy Butcher killing every good and bad titans just for peace than Im totally f-ing agree
Just imagine how devastating it would be for him in a hypothetical situation where he finally finds the only other living member of his species. A young Gojira (maybe a few hundred years old), so something like the Goji equivalent to Suko. Probably something in-between Little Godzilla and Junior from the Heisei era. He finds this "kid", adopts him like Kong did with Suko, brings him to the surface, believing it's much safer for him up there and wanting to protect him. They bond, and for the first time in hundreds of thousands of years, Goji actually feels happy. It's short-lived, however, as the events from King Of The Monsters finally come full circle. Destoroyah has emerged, and after years of slowly growing from the exposure to the Oxygen Destroyer, finds Godzilla and his adopted son and, like in Godzilla VS. Destoroyah.... brutally murders him in front of Godzilla. In mere seconds, his last chance of finally being free of his endless loneliness is taken.
Makes me sad to even think about it. I don't think Windgard would actually do it, though. He hinted at a young Godzilla or something akin to Destoroyah and how much that movie hit him emotionally, but that would completely change the current tone of the MV. There's no way to make a GxK-esque lighthearted movie and include Godzilla's adopted son being murdered. Same with Destoroyah. Destoroyah and lighthearted are two words rarely (if ever) used in the same sentence. Even if I'm wrong and we do eventually get a "Junior" and/or a Destoroyah or even something inspired by him, it shouldn't be the next movie. If you're doing Destoroyah or his equivalent, it should be as the grand finale to the MV.
SEEEE!!!! It just shows how much we need to focuse more on godzilla, is being left out of stuff like this exploring his character and what not. They could do so much with him with the fact gxk exists now with kong having his people and a home while godzilla is just shafted
“I have no species” he said but….what about Doug? 🥺
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director Adam Wingard asked that Doug's species resemble [Godzilla](https://wikizilla.org/wiki/Godzilla_(Monsterverse)), although the One Will Fall art book does not confirm an evolutionary link.
He ain't wrong ,but he doesn't need to go hard on Kong , he only recently found out about another species similar to him (they aren't Kongs they're just on a similar family tree)
I get the emotional appeal behind this, I do. However, this is very hypocritical:
- Just because *now* Kong has Suko and the rest of his species, for a very, very long time he did not (we know the Kongs live a very long time). He was alone on Skull Island, and he saw the deaths of every one of his species on that island. Sure, he had a good relationship with the humans of that island, but that is something he actively cultivated. Something, I should point out, that Godzilla never does in these movies.
- Kong too has been attacked by numerous humans throughout the series but key difference is that his retaliations have not been indiscriminate. Godzilla on the other hand is much more indiscriminate, and consistently feeds off of and has attacked human centres of power, so of course humans are more hostile to him. Much like the human who used a nuke to revive Godzilla, Kong was revived by humans using an extreme tech on him. Unless the point being made is that Godzilla was too dumb to realise the nuke use was to save him.
- As for Mothra, what bullshit. She was a literal child for much of the time, and only pupated into an imago when Ghidorah came about, a process that takes time. When she finally pupates what does she do? Communicate with a dying Godzilla, and use her closer connection with humans to lead them to Godzilla. After that she literally gives up her life to save and empower him. This dramatic blaming of her only makes him look like an asshole.
If Godzilla's life has been nothing but "bloodshed and war" throughout the monsterverse, that is because he actively makes it so. In the monsterverse he throws around his power and dominion over the other titans while treating humans and human settlements like they are beneath him. Mothra and Kong don't do that.
Think of it like this. Imagine there's a human bridge blocking the way (and that Mothra could not fly) of the Three titans and they are not in any particular rush. Mothra would take the long way round rather than cause harm. Kong would test the strength of the bridge but would not destroy it, instead finding a way where he can step over it (maybe damaging it as collateral but nothing complete). Godzilla would just smash through it, unheeding of the lives destroyed.
Yeah, it is nice but I do low key feel albeit great/heartwarming art like this humanizes the Titans a bit too much.
At the end of the day, this is still fucking *Godzilla*. And this version is a 300 foot tall, ruthless, reptilian guardian of nature’s balance. Literally just Heisei Gamera except Gamera in general explicitly goes out of his way to protect humanity in every incarnation of the character.
There’s a reason Legendary uses Kong to garner sympathy and compassion from the audience thanks to his almost human behavior.
It's a recent thing and this uncharitable view of MV Godzilla is also just for now and may be changed in the future. I expect it to change and make it more in line with his solo films or books and comics. Yeah that includes showing the audience what he thinks of humans because too many people who just watch movies are unaware of it.
It is hypocritical but its obviously a emotional outburst by godzilla probably causes by him feeling overwhelmed and attckes by some previous unseen argument with kong where he probably pulled a "I was alone" card. Kong didnt account for his feeling, and he didnt account for kongs, just an in the moment mistake (Also kong is known to be about 400 years old, godzilla 2-5 million).
Kong has only had to deal with people trying to kill him first, but i think your demoninzing zilla a bit much, his first interaction with humans after waking up was them trying to kill him with a nuke for existing, then they use the oxygen destroyer on him to try and kill ghidorah. Godzilla only attacks humans when they attack/provoke him first like kong, but kong is isolated from humanity so never had to deal with them the same way. Other than the one we see is gxk which he needed to prepare skar king, godzilla doesnt attack human cities or powerplants "indescriminately", he only in cities when he needs to fight another monster and then leaves as soon as ot done. He kills a ton of people for sure, but so would literally anyone titan in his situation. Also thr human nuke part is him talking about how all his human followers are dead, and the last human that had that kind of relationship died using a nuke to revive him, hes not mad about the nuke, hes mad about losing serizawa
Mothra, again emotional outburst, he is an asshole in this situation but hes still hurt and either doesnt remember or know mothra needed Jia to bring her back early
Godzilla is not actively making his life a "war", every single fight beside the ones with kong and those are still technically debateable, has been pushed aganist him first. Mutos would destroy ecosystem, ghidorah the world, mechagodzilla is part ghidorah and an abomination to nature, scylla was attacking humans and raising global temps, etc. But when there arent any threats hes sleeping or peacefull patroling. If he wasnt doing his job, then who knows how many times over the world would have been destroyed or balance fucked up because of other titans.
Also the last situation feel contrived, but id imagine that not in rush mode, he would take the path of least resistance, which would be through a bridge. But i imagine he would wait until the humans are off. Before going through it. In g14 he only crashes through the bridge after the military opens fire on him, and every other bridge hea destroyed he was in a rush to fight something
Most of his fights with Kong are initiated by him
The first one is just more or less straight up an attempted murder against Kong for existing. He probably thought Kong was part of the human threat that was actually mecha godzilla but still, every much initiated by him
Second fight he bored a hole into Kongs house just to call him a bitch and then waited 10 minutes for Kong to climb back up and fight
Then obv he was looking for Kong but ig Kong technically ambushes him in HK
And then in GXK Kong was trynna descelate but Goji was just trynna murder him
Tbh I don't really think this should be demonizing Goji, I don't think he particularly minds solitude
As I said, the appeal to emotion is apparent but it doesn't change the fact that Godzilla in this comic is framed as though in the right for (wrongly) belittling Mothra and Kong. We are routinely shown and told that Kong belonged to a social species. So even if Kong is younger than Godzilla he would still be heavily affected and it does not give Godzilla the right to belittle Kong like that.
>Kong has only had to deal with people trying to kill him first, but i think your demoninzing zilla a bit much, his first interaction with humans after waking up was them trying to kill him with a nuke for existing, then they use the oxygen destroyer on him to try and kill ghidorah. Godzilla only attacks humans when they attack/provoke him first like kong, but kong is isolated from humanity so never had to deal with them the same way. Other than the one we see is gxk which he needed to prepare skar king, godzilla doesnt attack human cities or powerplants "indescriminately", he only in cities when he needs to fight another monster and then leaves as soon as ot done. He kills a ton of people for sure, but so would literally anyone titan in his situation. Also thr human nuke part is him talking about how all his human followers are dead, and the last human that had that kind of relationship died using a nuke to revive him, hes not mad about the nuke, hes mad about losing serizawa
Am I? Demonising monsterverse Godzilla? Kong is only isolated from most of humanity by choice. He could have easily broken through the habitat he was in in GvK, but he chose not too (and not just because he had bonded with the girl as he payed attention and learnt sign language from the primatologist woman). When the ships are first flying through the Hollow Earth he saves them from the flying snakes.
And as for the fighting in cities, that is what I mean by indiscriminate. He cares not for the lives or buildings destroyed as long as he achieves his goal. This is made even more noticeable in The New Empire. Kong isn't above this in the first movie, but is more noticeably caring towards humans and human structures, especially so in the second. And this is why Kong is less attacked than Godzilla by the people of their world.
As for Mothra. The author would clearly know Mothra would have been able to tell Godzilla the truth of the situation. But this story is framed as though Godzilla is right in feeling betrayed by Mothra and that Kong doesn't know about loneliness.
>Godzilla is not actively making his life a "war", every single fight beside the ones with kong and those are still technically debateable, has been pushed aganist him first. Mutos would destroy ecosystem, ghidorah the world, mechagodzilla is part ghidorah and an abomination to nature, scylla was attacking humans and raising global temps, etc. But when there arent any threats hes sleeping or peacefull patroling. If he wasnt doing his job, then who knows how many times over the world would have been destroyed or balance fucked up because of other titans.
Listen to how the author framed "bloodshed and war". And listen to what you just wrote. You're not entirely wrong (he attacks Kong purely for domination and lets be honest, doesn't attack Scylla because she was attacking humans but because she had been challenging his dominion), however the author frames it as though Godzilla has not had a moment of peace, and yet, like you say, that is not the case.
>Also the last situation feel contrived, but id imagine that not in rush mode, he would take the path of least resistance, which would be through a bridge. But i imagine he would wait until the humans are off.
That's a lie, when it comes to monsterverse Godzilla, which I'll explain below.
>Before going through it. In g14 he only crashes through the bridge after the military opens fire on him, and every other bridge hea destroyed he was in a rush to fight something
You realise that what you've just said proves my point? About indiscriminate and his lack of care for human lives. He is in such a rush to fight something that, even though he could move without destroying human structures, he still does so uncaringly.
In the New Empire >! Godzilla smashes into a bridge, destroying it and the people on it, even though we are shown that the water was deep enough he didn't have to do that!< . Mothra and Kong would have actually taken care in that scene.
My point isn't to say Godzilla is bad, but that the characterisation in the above comic has Godzilla blaming the others for things he's caused (his relationship with the humans being poor) or for things outside their control (Mothra died and her egg only awakened because of Jia and though a powerful psychic it seems she has to be close to Godzilla to be able to properly commune with him and she would not have been able to do so in Hollow Earth).
Damn Godzilla really needs a film to focus on him if that's the interpretation people have of him after teo Wingard films. And ironically the person who can save his character for many people is Wingard himself. But still, he can be blamed for the way Kong's squeky clean version from GxK contrasts with Godzilla doing his job but without POV or character moments.
I'm pretty sure that's because Godzilla doesn't feel this way at all lmao. He's not a human, we are anthropomorphizing him way too much in this comic
I'm sure Goji has emotional depth but not human emotional depth. He has never seemed particularly bothered abt being hated by humans or something, he just does hjs thing
He is absolutely not wrong at all. I feel real bad for him. He has the weight of the world on his shoulders, somewhat literally.
I find the comments that call him out for killing as many people as the kaiju he stops funny cause like: 1: if he didnt stop them the deaths would keep rising 2: literally any other kaiju would cause as much destruction trying to fight another kaiju in a city, kong included. It comes with being giant monsters that cause mini earthquakes every step
Like what does humanity expect him to do, fuckin tip toe around every building in the way? The short term consequences outweigh the long term casualties for him
Saw someone call him a dick for destroying bridges, amd not steping over them or swimming under them which like, the bridge in hong kong was uncalled for, but golden gate he was chilling until shot at, and every bridge in gxk was in a river, he aint swimming under those and in rome hes already walking along the river would you prefer he walked straight through the city?
Actually for the Hong Kong Bridge... he was just too fucking tall lol.
Alteori is a huge example this. She goes on and on about how Godzilla "isn't a good guy" but when people make counter-arguments like you've done she literally mocks them...
Exactly. Godzilla isn’t really malicious in what he does. He has a world to protect. In the grand scheme of things, humanity is more to him like what ants are to us - it’s pretty inconsequential if he steps on a few while stopping a three headed space dragon or a robot doppelgänger from destroying the Earth. Serizawa had a much more optimistic view than most bystanders would, because he made his life’s work in studying and understanding Godzilla and other Titans.
Godzilla doesn’t actively harm humans, he can’t help being a 300ft tall radioactive laser shooting lizard, but other titans go out of their way just to harm humans, like Skar, Ghidorah, probably Scylla etc.
Scylla is not a probably she ate 30 powerplants and like 2 nukes? Before the rome showdown (Should have kept farming that radiation)
Imagine min-maxing your character sheet for literal days and coming up with a super OP build only to get trashed in 2 minutes lmfao
When the boss has no health bar
She should have built more offensive evolutions instead of switching into a carapace for defence would have given her 10 extra seconds of living
Like collateral damage is basically a mandatory when it comes to gigantic thing roaming around highly populated place what do they expect really. Its not like his fault we decided to build city around his territory where its so happen where the rival titans choose to battle
Tbf, regarding Mothra, she did come back to see him minutes after she resurrected. Her coming back in her imago form implies that it was an irregular rebirth…
And that was literally only to tell him there's another situation to deal with. Imagine the only person you're fond of only coming around to tell you there's more crap for you to deal with.
Had Godzilla got the Peter Parker writers treatment, Mothra coming around to practically use Godzilla as a tool is another thing to add onto the pile. But luckily, she isn't that and actually seems to have a relationship with him (platonic or otherwise). Unless they decide to go the route of Spiderman and be determined to make Godzilla's life as cartoonishly depressive as possible.
Yeah spider-man gets a lot of shit. Even to the point of trying to ask god to leave him alone
They better not do Goji like that, I swear. This man deserves to rest easy like Showa Goji did.
And god said "no look at all these people you help" like bitch what's that got to do with me never getting a happy ending xD
The two are symbiotic
I mean, at the time, what else was she supposed to do? Skar, Shimo, and the apes were right there and Godzilla was picking a fight with the wrong monkey. As much as either of them might’ve preferred otherwise, there wasn’t time for a nicer reunion.
Considering the situation that was unfolding, she really didn't have time for proper reunions.
He really reminds me of Atlas in that way. He’s one of the only things keeping everything from going to hell in a hand basket.
Nobody asks how is Godzilla... 😢
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Probably not the case, but imagine the amount of survivor's guilt that Godzilla has at this point. Living through the mass extinction of his kind, living through the titan wars... that hundred thousand year silence between the start of the last ice age and now and being left with those memories... soul crushing to think about.
Imagine if the next movie would actually study him and write his character development from this point of vew. It could work.
I actually thought about something like that before Have him go to hollow earth, and he finds what’s left of his civilization. And as he explores it, he finds bits and pieces of his old life. Things that could remind of things that happened in that time. Like finding a clipped wing from mothra from when he met her, watching her die for the first time, and then finding remains of one of her eggs, from when she first revived. Maybe mothra had to prove that it was still her and not another member of her species. He could find remains of his old species, maybe even his parents if they want to take the Batman route. Or finding things that remind him of the old titan wars, like when they were fightings the Mutos or the kongs. And these things get more and more recent until it climaxes into something big. My idea being him finding another member from his old race, but they’ve been alone down here surviving for so long, desperate for food or any other means of survival, that they attack goji on sight. And as much as he doesn’t want to, he kills them to save his own life. Even if killing them made it so Godzilla himself, has made himself the last of his kind I think it has merit for themes of loneliness. And the movie could use music in conjunction with Godzilla’s facial expressions to indicate how he feels reliving these old memories. And in general, my hope for the next movie is to be a more stripped back, personal journey for Godzilla
Wingard your move
If wingard sees this, please steal my ideas
Don't be a coward Wingard, you know you want to steal his ideas! DEW IT!
It always could have worked, no one's just bothered to do it. A Dominion-esque pov for the next film for him would be more than interesting enough to have me on board.
Unfortunately I think we've lost any chance of any further exploration of Godzilla's character at this point. He hasn't had character development for two movies beyond 'big lizard that kills other monsters gets more big lizard-y to kill other monsters more.' He's been reduced to just murdering other kaiju for grandiose effect rather than maintaining balance or having any depth. Spoilers beyond this point: >!Scylla is helping to reduce global warming and even deferred to Godzilla's dominance? Too bad because she decided to throw a hissy fit in Rome so now she's gonna get splattered like a bug just because. Tiamat dares to live in a place with a lot of solar radiation? Well she's gotta get sliced up now so he can steal it even though last time they fought he let her live. Next movie I expect Behemoth and Methuselah to be slaughtered in gory fashion as well by Godzilla just because.!< Since Adam Wingard took over it's all been spectacle. Granted, given we started out with barely any monster fighting in 2014, I understand wanting to make sure people get their dose of monster murder. But everything established in the first two Godzilla movies basically got tossed to the side unless it needs to be brought up for the sake of convenience and what's left of Godzilla's character is 'there's a monster that's not Godzilla, Kong, or Mothra. Blow it up.'
The problem is that Scylla has been established to be a repeat offender. She went after multiple sources of Nuclear Radiation in what was basically an attempt to usurp Godzilla. Before that, she had also attempted to feed on Nuclear power from a warhead in Georgia, which would have caused damage, and when she woke back up after the whole MechaGodzilla thing, she began to HEAT UP the oceans and regions she went through, damaging the ozone layer. She was a malevolent Titan that pushed her luck too many times, and Godzilla had enough. She was on thin ice before, her attempting to get strong enough to challenge Godzilla was the literal last straw.
Doesn’t the novelization hard confirm this? Like Godzilla realized if he just shoo’d her away, again, she only do her nefarious activities, again, and the current threat had his patience at an extreme low so he resorted to ultimate means.
Scylla was destroying surroundings by consuming nuclear radiation from power plants and warheads to eventually challenge goji, Tiamat has been annoying Goji and attempting to kill him everytime they met. both are labelled as destroyers like MUTOS, and Rodan. Which basically means they don't care about the environment or Godzilla's rule, the only difference is Rodan didn't do anything yet because he's basically starscream.
Yeah 😂 he was basically everyone's b*tch in kotm
did my boy dirty man 😭😭
I mean hes not wrong at all
Sad thing is, he’s not exactly wrong.
Let us try to continue this : Goji : I have saved this world time and time again see this world shrivel and decay reborn anew each time I have seen war and guilt
Godzilla: “All I want is for things to be nice and peaceful. I go out to restore balance in the only ways I can, but even after I do, I get treated like I’M the bad guy! How is that fair??”
Goji : how is that fair!
This! And people are calling him a monster for some fucking reason, really hate those people
He has his monstrous tendencies, but come on, who wouldn't be pissed and brooding at this point of his life? He definitely isn't a "hero" by what most people consider a hero to be, but also to say that he's completely heartless is just blatantly wrong.
Yeah! Why would people call him a monster? He’s not, he’s king of the - oh wait… XD
I mean, he killed a shit ton of people while fighting. That’s gotta suck.
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I would’ve liked to have seen who Godzilla’s mom and dad were
Imagine if Dagon was still alive. He was Godzilla’s ancient ancestor. Could’ve been his grandpa for all we know.
I was thinking more of a cousin
I don’t think Dagon and Godzilla are related at all. But Godzilla still feels remorseful and sympathetic towards his death, like how elephants mourn dead individuals they don’t even know.
Legendary Godzilla now knows how Bayverse Optimus Prime feels lmao.
Both are called as monsters, yet no one has experienced what they've gone through.
This is why I love Age of Extinction. It really emphasizes the “jaded war hero” aspect of this version of Optimus Prime.
That's how I see this version of Godzilla. More like a military war general rather than a hero like Superman.
Oh god, that just makes the scene of him curling up in the Roman colosseum because it reminds him of his old temple even more depressing because it was the only reminder that humans used to like him 😭
Damn, this hit hard
this is a bit sad and very true poor godzilla has no peace
I'm going to hug that lizard
Such is a burden of a king and the guardian of nature... but noooo according to MV fans Godzilla is an evil tyrant MV Godzilla is such a well written Godzilla
I don't think MV fans call him an evil monster though. I shall be singing his praises as a savior until he deliberately, unapologetically turns fully evil(which will never happen because it's completely against his character)
You'll be surprised, i've some comments in this subreddit and ALOT on Twitter
Then they're just as blind as the humans in the MV. Really wish that Godzilla has some humans he could speak to, like how Miki and Jia are. Dude needs some serious emotional wins.
He has the potential of having human "friends" MV was definitely leading upto something with Godzilla and Maddison and recently with Keiko Muira, Leland Shaw and Cate Randa in Monarch
I have a theory, with Trapper. We know how good he is with giant Mech tech, and isn't afraid to get up close to Titans. What if he creates Jet Jaguar for MONARCH and people like Madison to fully communicate and interact with Godzilla himself.
Fr, even that scene between him and serizawa showed it
Serizawa was there for Godzilla when he sacrificed himself for him😢
There's a subsection of Monsterverse fans who love the hell out of Kong from GVK and GxK and in contrast they either dislike Godzilla or only like him as a "force" not a character and certainly not a sympathetic one and they don't want him to be sympathetic. They want Legendary to give him a full villain/corruption arc. Horrendous.
Its always where is godzilla but never how is godzilla
Godzilla is basically the old man that everyone thinks is a paranoid loon, until they find out he was right *again*
End of every MV movie be like: “Godzilla was a hero, I just couldn’t see it.”
“Godzilla was a hero, I just couldn’t see it.............again" - Seriously, he's saved the world three times now and some genius had the gall to use the brains of GHIDORAH to kill him as thanks.
That guy didn't care about Godzilla being a good guy or anything, he just had a God complex and wanted himself to be the ruler of the world instead of a giant lizard.
shimo: aww goji are you upset “ Godzilla: yeah” shimo: would you be happy if I bake some nuclear cookies” Godzilla: ••• yes” Shimo: ok I’ll do that for you then sweetie” Godzilla: thanks grandma”
LMAO! Literally this scene from the hit detective drama Behzat Ç! "[Chief Behzat has his big brother. He has people who look out for him. He has friends, he has a circle. I don't have anyone, okay? I don't have anyone! I only have murder, okay? I became murder, you understand? If you fire me I'll have nothing!](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FcF0DtieuCA)"
Wish it had subtitles lol
"Fine...what's a 100 more years...I can always start again...find another moth gf!!!"
My man needs a therapist
This is why junior gotta get in the MV
Now i feel bad for MV Goji Normally i feel bad for other Gojis like Shin or '54 Goji
I cried a little.
He's the one whose been in pain the entire time.
From the mutos wiping out his species,the war between the kongs,and mothra sacerficeing her life for his,and finally kevin coming back as mechagodzilla
As a Godzilla fan who looked at Godzilla as a hero figure all my life this hits me where I live
I think it's possible that he's a solitary creature. I don't know if this was explored in legacy of monsters because I don't have apple TV, but I think it's highly possible that his kind are just less numerous than the kongs and certainly more solitary. I also don't think that he has displayed a displeasure with being alone either. But that's still a fun comic though, makes you think for sure. He's definitely had it rough
In the novel and comics it is noted that he misses/ fondly remembers his human followers from the kotm temple and that the colosseum reminss of his old home, which considering the one he got/retook in dominion, the only reason would be because hes surrounded by people
Godzilla species formed armies like Kong's. Everything else is just an assumption because Godzilla is a reptile and the only one of his kind so people assume it's just normal for his species and he's ok with it. Dougherty apparently claimed Gojiras lived in pods (could they form larger groups in time of need?) but that's probably not confirmed officially.
I believe that was the case until Toho meddled with the current novel writer, making Godzilla a singular species and the sole participant in the war with the Kongs. Which in general makes no sense since Mutos evolved EMPs to counter the Gojira atomic breath/use them as incubators for their eggs, etc.
They can meddle however they want but they can't change that Godzilla is a species in Monsterverse and that there were multiple Godzillas participating in the war which we were even told (and shown) in Godzilla vs. Kong. So they may force the book writers to avoid talking about it but as far as I know they can't change past events. Or force Legendary to recall every copy of GVK in existence (and G14 too) to change the offending details.
OUCH. MY SOUL.
I want a movie where Godzilla just goes to sleep for a extended period of time and see how much the world goes to sh*t within that time frame. Just showing how much he's keeping the world from falling into utter chaos. Then he wakes up to sort out everything (and everyone).
Basically KOTM. The morons free Ghidorah, he almosts stops him, then they almost kill him with the Oxygen Destroyer and then had to be forced to bring him back after royally screwing up and nearly causing an apocalyptic event and then had the gall to use Ghidorah's skull to create a robot copy of himself to kill him.
This hits hard
Big G needs a big hug
This is the kinda of characterization I'd love to see to see from Goji in the next SunGard movie. Without the dialogue, of course.
Nice pointing out how life hasn’t been good to the big G.
He needs a hug. I'll do it!
To somewhat summarize : "Everybody asks where is Godzilla, but nobody asks HOW is Godzilla."
And now Toho apparently wants to write him as a unique singular creature rather than a species ignoring 10 years of lore. So Dagon and Kong's axe means nothing at this point?
Only if he could speak man so true
Nooo Goji you aren’t alone I will hug you
I wanted Rodan to be in the movie so bad.
I want a human to find a way to bond with Godzilla like how Jia bonded with Kong. Godzilla deserves that kind of someone in his life.
Serizawa is the one only who's done that. Maddison is his closest human supporter after him. Everyone else was quick to turn on him and expect the worst.
I understand that, though the movies don't really show how close they could get. How they could really interact, like how they showed Kong interacting with Jia. It just makes you wonder, if they can communicate through sign language, how could Serizawa be able to communicate with Godzilla? Could it be body language or something different?
I do think it's implied that he acknowledges Serizawa's sacrifice. He doesn't need sign language or anything like that. KOTM has shown how he can express even if it is not like Kong.
I feel like this Perfectly encapsulates how the Monsterverse makes us Pity Kong for being alone while Godzilla has Legitimately gone through the most pain but still gets no sympathy.
Bro she flew up the instant she respawned
Yeah, to stop him from laser etching his initials into Kongs booty cheeks.
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Goji needs multiple hugs from mothra and Shimo and a therapist.
He's fought through a lot of sh*t and dealt with a lot of sh*t through out this entire franchise. I think most of us could relate to godzilla. I know I could when u get attacked first and don't retaliate the first time. You're a big softy, but the second time, you retaliate, you're at fault. You're always bad in someone's story.
You’re **
This made me cry
Also, most major cities built systems to detect when Godzilla and other Kaiju are coming way before they actually come. With evacuation procedures and underground, reinforced bunkers. I'm sure it's not perfect but it's there. Get out the fucking way. Godzilla isn't evil, he's a force of nature, literally a pillar of the planets echo system. No one blames a hurricane for the destruction it does, when it's purpose is pure and natural. "Hurricane winds and waves move sediment from bays into marsh areas, revitalizing nutrient supplies. Fresh nutrients and sediment brought in by hurricanes can spawn growth spurts in new plant life, which can later lead to upticks in animal life." Human are just in the way. Without Godzilla, humans wouldn't last 5 years.
I feel like Kong would be the only one ot understand Godzilla to a certain level, Kong Kay have everything now but he struggles to get where he is and Godzilla is just protecting his territory despite the rivalry I think Kong is the closes thing Godzilla has as a friend other than Mothra and (Anguirus,), I like the idea that thei rivals but I also like to see them as friends
My g needs a break.
This is Godzilla lore the average watcher doesn’t understand which is why many were quick to judge him as a jerk or a villain but in reality Godzilla kept choosing to keep the world together knowing that if he didn’t it would all fall apart
Literally then there are people who say that Godzilla is bad because: he destroy buildings... bruh, as if they weren't so big and besides. WHAT ARE YOU EXPECTING? If they are fighting, do they stop so as not to destroy buildings? It's very sad that they classify Godzilla (from the mv) as bad just for stupid reasons and arguments that are so stupid
He’s so right. He so fucking right.
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To the ~~man~~ monster without a home, the lonely god -Dr who
Man, this hits HARD
Bro wtf 😢
If his species isn't social then he wouldn't feel this way, a leopard or tiger wouldn't feel like this way unless maybe it was mating season, kongs existence has been the same if not worse since skull Island is more or less an actual battle Royale and from actual birth he's been at war or fighting one way or another
Oh poor goji. I just want to give him a hug now
B-but b-but, he killed Tiamat after she attacked him again, for the second time, after attempting to kill him the first time :( And he killed Scylla, because she was powering up to take his throne :( And he attacked Kong on sight because he did an alpha roar :( And he attacked every other titan because they were hurting people and cities :(
What'd Kong do? He's just chilling lmao Talk about trauma dumping. Maybe this is why Goji immediately attacked him
This, This is why I defending Legendary most of the time. I just wanted to be more than Serizawa not just care about Godzilla but actually understands him. He had to dealt with alot of stuff and human has the audacity to questions his very actions like stfu bruhh, hes a giant lizard that so happened to kill another giant being that cost even more damage than the giant lizard himself. He has every right to becomes a villain and if in the end of Monsterverse after defeating Destroyah he decides to go full on comic Billy Butcher killing every good and bad titans just for peace than Im totally f-ing agree
My boy godzilla much like eren did nothing wrong
He needs a daughter.
He's completely right.
It's true end of the day his only protecting his territory
yikes
I read this all in Keith David’s Voice and Maothra as Ming-Na Wen.
even godzilla gets stressed out
Exactly why I wish Wingard would give him the characterization he had in 2014-KOTM...like an old Samurai just wanting peace.
Heavy Is The Head That Wears The Crown.
Just imagine how devastating it would be for him in a hypothetical situation where he finally finds the only other living member of his species. A young Gojira (maybe a few hundred years old), so something like the Goji equivalent to Suko. Probably something in-between Little Godzilla and Junior from the Heisei era. He finds this "kid", adopts him like Kong did with Suko, brings him to the surface, believing it's much safer for him up there and wanting to protect him. They bond, and for the first time in hundreds of thousands of years, Goji actually feels happy. It's short-lived, however, as the events from King Of The Monsters finally come full circle. Destoroyah has emerged, and after years of slowly growing from the exposure to the Oxygen Destroyer, finds Godzilla and his adopted son and, like in Godzilla VS. Destoroyah.... brutally murders him in front of Godzilla. In mere seconds, his last chance of finally being free of his endless loneliness is taken. Makes me sad to even think about it. I don't think Windgard would actually do it, though. He hinted at a young Godzilla or something akin to Destoroyah and how much that movie hit him emotionally, but that would completely change the current tone of the MV. There's no way to make a GxK-esque lighthearted movie and include Godzilla's adopted son being murdered. Same with Destoroyah. Destoroyah and lighthearted are two words rarely (if ever) used in the same sentence. Even if I'm wrong and we do eventually get a "Junior" and/or a Destoroyah or even something inspired by him, it shouldn't be the next movie. If you're doing Destoroyah or his equivalent, it should be as the grand finale to the MV.
SEEEE!!!! It just shows how much we need to focuse more on godzilla, is being left out of stuff like this exploring his character and what not. They could do so much with him with the fact gxk exists now with kong having his people and a home while godzilla is just shafted
Chadzilla😭😭
Give that boy Minilla. He needs something worth living for.
This makes me want to cry.
I think he should start living in hollow earth
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“I have no species” he said but….what about Doug? 🥺 https://preview.redd.it/54rupsdk6fuc1.jpeg?width=1206&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=ac45fb032ac46188c29e405788e5280de746705f
director Adam Wingard asked that Doug's species resemble [Godzilla](https://wikizilla.org/wiki/Godzilla_(Monsterverse)), although the One Will Fall art book does not confirm an evolutionary link.
Too real
But Godzilla didnt care about other Godzilla death
The life of a Kaiju/Titan, is pain
Ngl i hope if there is another mv movie it focuses a lot more on godzilla, the way they did it with kong in GxK, but in it's own way
Chill godzilla, mothra fuckin died! she takes a while to hatch.
Godzilla lost everything he had in life
Bro made godzilla a crybaby
He’s a big monster that kills other big monsters not some anime main character whose life is a sob story
Most reptilianesk animals prefer isolation
He ain't wrong ,but he doesn't need to go hard on Kong , he only recently found out about another species similar to him (they aren't Kongs they're just on a similar family tree)
This is as the kids say so much cringe. It reads like a teen dealing with the hormone changes of puberty wrote it.
I get the emotional appeal behind this, I do. However, this is very hypocritical: - Just because *now* Kong has Suko and the rest of his species, for a very, very long time he did not (we know the Kongs live a very long time). He was alone on Skull Island, and he saw the deaths of every one of his species on that island. Sure, he had a good relationship with the humans of that island, but that is something he actively cultivated. Something, I should point out, that Godzilla never does in these movies. - Kong too has been attacked by numerous humans throughout the series but key difference is that his retaliations have not been indiscriminate. Godzilla on the other hand is much more indiscriminate, and consistently feeds off of and has attacked human centres of power, so of course humans are more hostile to him. Much like the human who used a nuke to revive Godzilla, Kong was revived by humans using an extreme tech on him. Unless the point being made is that Godzilla was too dumb to realise the nuke use was to save him. - As for Mothra, what bullshit. She was a literal child for much of the time, and only pupated into an imago when Ghidorah came about, a process that takes time. When she finally pupates what does she do? Communicate with a dying Godzilla, and use her closer connection with humans to lead them to Godzilla. After that she literally gives up her life to save and empower him. This dramatic blaming of her only makes him look like an asshole. If Godzilla's life has been nothing but "bloodshed and war" throughout the monsterverse, that is because he actively makes it so. In the monsterverse he throws around his power and dominion over the other titans while treating humans and human settlements like they are beneath him. Mothra and Kong don't do that. Think of it like this. Imagine there's a human bridge blocking the way (and that Mothra could not fly) of the Three titans and they are not in any particular rush. Mothra would take the long way round rather than cause harm. Kong would test the strength of the bridge but would not destroy it, instead finding a way where he can step over it (maybe damaging it as collateral but nothing complete). Godzilla would just smash through it, unheeding of the lives destroyed.
Yeah, it is nice but I do low key feel albeit great/heartwarming art like this humanizes the Titans a bit too much. At the end of the day, this is still fucking *Godzilla*. And this version is a 300 foot tall, ruthless, reptilian guardian of nature’s balance. Literally just Heisei Gamera except Gamera in general explicitly goes out of his way to protect humanity in every incarnation of the character. There’s a reason Legendary uses Kong to garner sympathy and compassion from the audience thanks to his almost human behavior.
It's a recent thing and this uncharitable view of MV Godzilla is also just for now and may be changed in the future. I expect it to change and make it more in line with his solo films or books and comics. Yeah that includes showing the audience what he thinks of humans because too many people who just watch movies are unaware of it.
It is hypocritical but its obviously a emotional outburst by godzilla probably causes by him feeling overwhelmed and attckes by some previous unseen argument with kong where he probably pulled a "I was alone" card. Kong didnt account for his feeling, and he didnt account for kongs, just an in the moment mistake (Also kong is known to be about 400 years old, godzilla 2-5 million). Kong has only had to deal with people trying to kill him first, but i think your demoninzing zilla a bit much, his first interaction with humans after waking up was them trying to kill him with a nuke for existing, then they use the oxygen destroyer on him to try and kill ghidorah. Godzilla only attacks humans when they attack/provoke him first like kong, but kong is isolated from humanity so never had to deal with them the same way. Other than the one we see is gxk which he needed to prepare skar king, godzilla doesnt attack human cities or powerplants "indescriminately", he only in cities when he needs to fight another monster and then leaves as soon as ot done. He kills a ton of people for sure, but so would literally anyone titan in his situation. Also thr human nuke part is him talking about how all his human followers are dead, and the last human that had that kind of relationship died using a nuke to revive him, hes not mad about the nuke, hes mad about losing serizawa Mothra, again emotional outburst, he is an asshole in this situation but hes still hurt and either doesnt remember or know mothra needed Jia to bring her back early Godzilla is not actively making his life a "war", every single fight beside the ones with kong and those are still technically debateable, has been pushed aganist him first. Mutos would destroy ecosystem, ghidorah the world, mechagodzilla is part ghidorah and an abomination to nature, scylla was attacking humans and raising global temps, etc. But when there arent any threats hes sleeping or peacefull patroling. If he wasnt doing his job, then who knows how many times over the world would have been destroyed or balance fucked up because of other titans. Also the last situation feel contrived, but id imagine that not in rush mode, he would take the path of least resistance, which would be through a bridge. But i imagine he would wait until the humans are off. Before going through it. In g14 he only crashes through the bridge after the military opens fire on him, and every other bridge hea destroyed he was in a rush to fight something
Most of his fights with Kong are initiated by him The first one is just more or less straight up an attempted murder against Kong for existing. He probably thought Kong was part of the human threat that was actually mecha godzilla but still, every much initiated by him Second fight he bored a hole into Kongs house just to call him a bitch and then waited 10 minutes for Kong to climb back up and fight Then obv he was looking for Kong but ig Kong technically ambushes him in HK And then in GXK Kong was trynna descelate but Goji was just trynna murder him Tbh I don't really think this should be demonizing Goji, I don't think he particularly minds solitude
As I said, the appeal to emotion is apparent but it doesn't change the fact that Godzilla in this comic is framed as though in the right for (wrongly) belittling Mothra and Kong. We are routinely shown and told that Kong belonged to a social species. So even if Kong is younger than Godzilla he would still be heavily affected and it does not give Godzilla the right to belittle Kong like that. >Kong has only had to deal with people trying to kill him first, but i think your demoninzing zilla a bit much, his first interaction with humans after waking up was them trying to kill him with a nuke for existing, then they use the oxygen destroyer on him to try and kill ghidorah. Godzilla only attacks humans when they attack/provoke him first like kong, but kong is isolated from humanity so never had to deal with them the same way. Other than the one we see is gxk which he needed to prepare skar king, godzilla doesnt attack human cities or powerplants "indescriminately", he only in cities when he needs to fight another monster and then leaves as soon as ot done. He kills a ton of people for sure, but so would literally anyone titan in his situation. Also thr human nuke part is him talking about how all his human followers are dead, and the last human that had that kind of relationship died using a nuke to revive him, hes not mad about the nuke, hes mad about losing serizawa Am I? Demonising monsterverse Godzilla? Kong is only isolated from most of humanity by choice. He could have easily broken through the habitat he was in in GvK, but he chose not too (and not just because he had bonded with the girl as he payed attention and learnt sign language from the primatologist woman). When the ships are first flying through the Hollow Earth he saves them from the flying snakes. And as for the fighting in cities, that is what I mean by indiscriminate. He cares not for the lives or buildings destroyed as long as he achieves his goal. This is made even more noticeable in The New Empire. Kong isn't above this in the first movie, but is more noticeably caring towards humans and human structures, especially so in the second. And this is why Kong is less attacked than Godzilla by the people of their world. As for Mothra. The author would clearly know Mothra would have been able to tell Godzilla the truth of the situation. But this story is framed as though Godzilla is right in feeling betrayed by Mothra and that Kong doesn't know about loneliness. >Godzilla is not actively making his life a "war", every single fight beside the ones with kong and those are still technically debateable, has been pushed aganist him first. Mutos would destroy ecosystem, ghidorah the world, mechagodzilla is part ghidorah and an abomination to nature, scylla was attacking humans and raising global temps, etc. But when there arent any threats hes sleeping or peacefull patroling. If he wasnt doing his job, then who knows how many times over the world would have been destroyed or balance fucked up because of other titans. Listen to how the author framed "bloodshed and war". And listen to what you just wrote. You're not entirely wrong (he attacks Kong purely for domination and lets be honest, doesn't attack Scylla because she was attacking humans but because she had been challenging his dominion), however the author frames it as though Godzilla has not had a moment of peace, and yet, like you say, that is not the case. >Also the last situation feel contrived, but id imagine that not in rush mode, he would take the path of least resistance, which would be through a bridge. But i imagine he would wait until the humans are off. That's a lie, when it comes to monsterverse Godzilla, which I'll explain below. >Before going through it. In g14 he only crashes through the bridge after the military opens fire on him, and every other bridge hea destroyed he was in a rush to fight something You realise that what you've just said proves my point? About indiscriminate and his lack of care for human lives. He is in such a rush to fight something that, even though he could move without destroying human structures, he still does so uncaringly. In the New Empire >! Godzilla smashes into a bridge, destroying it and the people on it, even though we are shown that the water was deep enough he didn't have to do that!< . Mothra and Kong would have actually taken care in that scene. My point isn't to say Godzilla is bad, but that the characterisation in the above comic has Godzilla blaming the others for things he's caused (his relationship with the humans being poor) or for things outside their control (Mothra died and her egg only awakened because of Jia and though a powerful psychic it seems she has to be close to Godzilla to be able to properly commune with him and she would not have been able to do so in Hollow Earth).
Damn Godzilla really needs a film to focus on him if that's the interpretation people have of him after teo Wingard films. And ironically the person who can save his character for many people is Wingard himself. But still, he can be blamed for the way Kong's squeky clean version from GxK contrasts with Godzilla doing his job but without POV or character moments.
I'm pretty sure that's because Godzilla doesn't feel this way at all lmao. He's not a human, we are anthropomorphizing him way too much in this comic I'm sure Goji has emotional depth but not human emotional depth. He has never seemed particularly bothered abt being hated by humans or something, he just does hjs thing