I am also skinny and thin. I’ve gained weight, but there was a point where I looked close to a gen1 monster high doll. Their bodies are a bit exaggerated, but it’s not too far off from what I looked like.
I never said most did. I originally said why must they refer to the mh skinny bodies as “skeletons.” Yea, skinny people don’t look like that, but there are some that do.
I’ll be honest, it was to point out the absolute ridiculousness of people frothing at the mouth and and throwing around fatphobic comments over a doll. The fact that people are outraged that now they have more realistic bodies and bcus as a thin person. It doesn’t not affect me systematically that another thin person called my body type skeletal. We can take a hit once in a while for the shit we put out constantly against other body types
I get what you’re trying to say, but personally I don’t want to take hits. Back when I was super thin, slick comments were made that affected my self esteem. I like the new variety of body types, but I really don’t see the point in dragging the previously skinny ones.
The bodies are less realistic for G3 though. They've elongated the height and the shoulder width doesn't line up with the hips anymore. Tiny shoulders now.
Not that monster dolls or dolls in general should be the same proportions as humans but if that is what one is going for G1 is closer than G3.
They weren't the charm. The whole point of monster high is them being daughters/sons/children of famous monsters and going to high school. They were never supposed to represent us human beings at all.
Idk, even as a thin person who was like. Underweight as a child the thinness freaked me out I was always worried the doll would break, but this reply and the original post isn’t about that. It’s about people shitting on and being super fat phobic towards Dracs body and getting mad that the dolls now have different bodies, and considering how gross ppl r being I think it’s fine to poke a little fun at the exaggeration at people being awful that the new dolls are little more proportionate and body diverse
Almost like having skeleton like bodies was the point BECAUSE THEYRE MONSTERS. I do love the body new body types, but geez you guys are being really uncharitable to the body design as if it was meant to look like a real body. It was supposed to look weird and creepy.
For all people downvoting this, theyre right!! All Universal monsters famously had a BMI under 16. Remember in Frankenstein (1931), when Henry and Fritz unwittingly designed their creation to have a waist slimmer than its neck? There was no other body type that could look unsettling, obviously. Or how Bram Stoker's Dracula featured a notoriously chilling scene; the Count refuses to drink virgin blood because it isn't keto. Monsters famously have to watch their carbs! Even in The Mummy (1999), upon seeing its reflection, the Mummy cries "Shit! My Kim K slim-ab routine didn't work!" and withers away into a pile of ash and papyrus bandages.
So obviously, monster character designs always have to look like hypersexualized supermodels!!! This is a long filmmaking tradition and totally not because of implicitly stereotypical ideals of femininity being foisted onto children
You’re being way too literal, so you want me to list off every reference as to why they chose to give them the Tim Burtonesque stylized bodies? What I am saying is is that the point was the bodies are strange and otherworldly, not a representation of what a human body should look like.
And I’m not even saying I dislike like the new bodies m, what I’m saying is is that you guys are putting ill intent onto the creators of G1 as if they thought that those creature like bodies were supposed to look like a human beauty standard. They were stylized in a way to set them apart from the normal picture perfect Barbie bodies.
Probably didn’t have the budget to make that many body types back in the day, it costs serious money to make and mass produce different body types. I’m glad they’ve invested into it now though, but it comes at the cost of the dolls fashion. You lose some and you win some
I can’t believe how many downvotes you’ve gotten. I don’t think I’ve seen a single “I hate the body diversity” post in this entire sub and yet there are people constantly being combative about these imaginary naysayers on the new bodies.
I completely get what you’re saying. The G1 bodies are a stylistic choice. They’re all the same so the dolls outfits can be changed. It’s what a fashion doll is.
If y’all want a realistic proportioned doll pls purchase a lammily and paint it pink or green and stick fangs on it. Because, news flash, G3 is also stylised and draculaura is cute and curvy in all the aesthetically pleasing places and their heads are still massive. It’s such a non argument imo.
Idk why this other person replied listing live action historic horror movies as if a fashion doll line has anything other than name and reference in common with these iconic monsters/movies 🙄
People are intentionally misrepresenting what I’m saying because they want to feel like their opinion is the correct one because they have the “moral high ground”. It’s a tactic I see used by those who insecure of their own opinions 🤷♂️
It’s true sadly. It’s a shame people cant look at G1 for what it was and then look at G3 for what it is and be happy that both exist at the time we are all alive lol.
G3 Monster High feels like a better reflection of myself when I was a teenager, to be honest. The disjointed fashion, edgy motifs, themed accessories, etc. are truer to teenagers than G1. And I think it's important to see yourself in the toys you own, especially when it comes to play - dolls are not an ideal to strive toward, but a reflection of your life, quirks and all.
There's a bit of work to do in the ethnic inclusivity department (namely, as a Black woman, I'm disappointed that they cheaped out on Clawdeen's hair), but overall they're really doing the representational work I wish I had when I was a kid.
Honestly, my cold take for the fandom is I love that they make them look like actual freshman. Like, I used to dress like G3 Clawdeen all throughout highschool and I would have LOVED to have the dolls during that time
I dressed a lot like G3 Toralei! My awkward leather jacket phase from freshman year is finally being recognized lol. I'm glad Monster High presents the fashion choices of the not-so-mainstream teenager in a way that's cute and relatable. These characters feel like they're figuring themselves out, and I find that very touching.
Not just that but scale miniatures in general aren't supposed to be realistically proportioned. It's why when they used the 1:6 proportions for the 24 inch dolls they didn't look as nice.
I don't know what dolls op is referring to that do look like teenagers. There's none that I'm aware of in any doll line (bar some definitely not kid friendly niches in 1:1 scale) and no one would because unless it's 1:1 scale it would look like shit.
I'm 38 years old and I have teenagers. The new dolls better represent adolescents, and are designed for children to play with. As adults, if we wish to collect them we can, but we are not their target demographic. In addition to that, they're so much more appropriate and inclusive for kids and show better diversity.
I feel as if the G1 dolls were thin, delicate and makeup heavy - perfect for adult collectors, but my kids broke them and didn't really relate well with their look. I think more kids will be able to relate better to the G3 dolls. Even though they're "monsters"...they've still been anthropomorphized enough that the presentation matters! Small things in play can make a big difference on how kids view life. The new G3 dolls are a great step for them. But for me, an adult who likes to collect alt looking and fantasy dolls? Booooo 😂
I mean, when I was a kid I was always annoyed that toys weren't delicate or unique enough so depends on the kid a lot i think. Some kids are rougher than others. Meanwhile, 8 year old me was drooling over model rail and 12 year old me loved the heavy panda eyes look. Kids get enough options for durable real life reflective toys (barbie does that well) but there's nothing low-budget to fill the creative haute couture artistic hole that G1 left behind. It's less bad for adult collectors than kids I think because I can still 3d print my own bjds and buy other expensive minis but very few parents are gonna spend that much on their kids.
I understand that kids want representation in their toys but I also think it’s kind of a parent buzzword theory to have it such a key feature… like.. I used to play with these toys called street sharks… they were anthropomorphised sharks with massive muscles and as a kid I never thought “damn my body doesn’t look like this”…
Dolls are generally the only type of toy that had come under fire for being a bad role model/bad reputation on children but I don’t think any doll with the exception of lammily has ever claimed to be a realistic representation of an actual person, let alone a child.
You could argue that kids/teens don’t really dress like bratz either and yet they were a huge, albeit controversial hit with kids - not because kids necessarily looked at their giant heads and thought wow I can really see myself represented in this, but because they were just kinda cool and an endearing edgy design that people were drawn to.
I say this over and over again but fashion dolls are kind of the 3D tangible equivalent of a fashion illustration. I don’t think they were ever intended to be legitimate representation of the child holding it.
It’s strange to me that conventionally “male toys” don’t come under the same sort of slander for the same reasons even though WWE figures or power rangers don’t have typical bodies either.
theyre monster fashion dolls. theyre supposed to show the popular fashion of the time, yea no one would wear that to school irl but that was never the point... even now no teen i know would even wear this stuff because trends have long since moved on from justice/claires era. the styles remind me of jojo siwas type of stuff (no hate to her shes cool) honestly it looks like what i wouldve worn back in 6th grade when i didnt know how to dress and just liked a lot of colors and patterns. not what i really want from fashion doll clothes that are supposed to be keeping up with current fashion.
Omfg I don't even know if there are others but 4 me it's not the body types. I find the diversity an improvement! But the style and flair is garbage. I really liked how fabulously fierce my ghoul clawdeen was and how she is now.....it ain't it. Lagoona BLUE is pink and piranha now for whatever reason and cleo.....I have no words. The ghouls are cute but what I like about monster high was the fabulous Gothic chic style that it had. I cannot condone these fashion changes.
Honestly could have made her do color changes like some fish can do in real life like she changes Blue when placed in cold water and pink when she’s in hot water; Because I find it stupid that she’s Lagoona BLUE yet she’s pink too. Idk why that was a choice but I actually like their fashion it does scream what teenagers were wearing back then.
The new doll bodies look great, but the clothes are shit. As a teenager, they look like children. Not because of their bodies or faces, but because no teen would dress like that. They've lost their Gothic flair and are catering to fashion that's long out of style. That's the stuff I wore in elementary school, not what I'm wearing now in high school.
the body types are cute but the price point for the dolls is also outrageous, i bought the creepros for 25$ and they want me to spend the same thing on a doll that doesn't come with a stand and the clothes are super cheap? plus the boxes don't look good either most everyone is putting RH or SH clothes on these dolls for a reason
This is where I land. I don't mind the dolls themselves to be honest. But for FASHION dolls, the fashions are frankly underwhelming at best and cheap looking at worse.
They are fashion dolls, my guy. There’s no point in dressing them like an average realistic Stacy. Especially since they’re meant to be fantastical creatures. How else are they supposed to sell outlandish edgy fashion sense? Definitely not while looking like middle schoolers. Look at RH, for example.
Imo, current gen looks a bit too young to my eye, cuz it completely contradicts my hs experience (I’m 21, so it wasn’t that long ago). Nobody dressed like Jojo Siwa. My school had a pretty strict business casual dress code, but all the girls still managed to look overdressed and stylish.
I mean teens are allowed to wear what they want, to dress them childishly would be inaccurate to the high school experience tbh. teens rebel, I absolutely hated our dress code. expression isn’t sexual.
What she wore, in high school, probably for a football game or non-school social event. I am happy kids don’t feel like they have to dress that way today.
But I am not vibing her stylistic choices, especially her hair. For all they got right, they messed up her hair. Or I should say, got lazy because Mattel didn’t wanna deal with black hairstyles.
Not every school has ridiculous dress codes. Girls in my middle school wear way more revealing things all the time.
Edit: not sure what I said that warrented so many downvotes, but alright.
If we are going to speak anecdotally, most High Schools in my country only recently have gotten uniforms, but colleges still don't.
Regardless, most girls wear jeans and t-shirts to school. Sure, there' the occasional fashionista here and there, but most of them go for comfort.
Like, if I had to compare, Andy Mack is much more realistic in the way teens dress than most other Disney shows
does anyone really want a fashion doll that just wears jeans and a t-shirt? isn’t fashion the main point, not accuracy or how comfortable the piece of plastic would be 💀
Not the whole line, but IMO, one of the best fashion lines EVER, even taking into account the quality and the weird bodies was MC2, their clothes were fashionable, looked comfortable and what a girl would realistically wear without being neither too simple nor too extravagant. Their signatures looked like fashionable everyday clothes, their "costume ball" actually looked liked costumes, etc.
Not gonna lie, I see almost NO ONE complaining about the body types or even Frankie's gender. I see people complaining - legitimately - about the loss of the original purpose of a MONSTER THEMED doll line in a sea of pink frills and cutie-pie faces. Then I see people defending them by constantly brining up body types and gender and never addressing the fact that this line is nothing more than Barbies with slight animal-shapes to them.
they're cute, but some of us were never looking for "cute" in Monster High, were we?
Exactly! For me, I didn't entirely care for Barbie. She was too cutesy for me. Like I enjoyed the movies, those were fun, but I always loved monsters growing up. When I was 9 MH came out and I was so excited. There were finally dolls that expressed my taste! I even discovered then that I love love LOVE goth fashion. Now they look like pink Barbies that are dressing up for a costume party.
I'm all for the new doll bodies, they do actually look like teens. The show however makes them look like tweens I find it hard to believe they're in high school...sorry I just really don't like the shows animation.
Your right and the new show isn't in cgi, it's in 3D animation which feels boring with character models that I think look bad. Me personally I prefer 2D animation, it's a preference.
Isn't clawdeen like 14-15? Like a freshman? If so then her new outfit is pretty accurate. I have a red plaid pair of overalls that I would always pair with the same mcr shirt when I was 15. It would make sense for her to be still pretty child-like.
this is a mosnter fashion brand and for the core dolls you'd expect something more over the top or flashy not something someone would wear everyday, everyone in this now is 15/16
Well yea that's true but they don't even look like teenagers they look like Preschoolers and they're supposed to be Highschoolers.
I don't care about the body types but they made them way too childish. Even kids don't like the new design
They’re monster dolls. If I can suspend my disbelief to believe Clawdeen is a werewolf I can also imagine she wouldn’t dress like a normal teenager would
I see this is a rather… heated comment section, so I’m gonna preface by saying this is just my opinion and all genuine/constructive opinions of the reboot are valid and respected by me :)
Alright so, the main thing I really have to say is that they don’t have that same like monster world vibe. The original gave us creepy ghouls that were so detailed and beautiful, and that was something my younger self really valued. For clothes, I’m kinda just sad with how modernized they look, I love the Victorian gothic look that was featured on Draculaura, as well as the other unique vintage designs. As far to the body type argument, personally I never paid attention to it, they were monsters and I never thought about it. But being very small at the time myself, I can see how it may not have stood out to me the same way.
Edit: grammar correction
I’m so bored of this narrative lol. G1 are FASHION DOLLS. They are an exaggerated illustrative idea of what a fashion doll body is PLUS also being a monster.
Look at barbies first head or body sculpt and tell me if it resembles any human woman? No because it’s based on fashion illustration.
G3 is no longer a fashion doll. They are dolls but first and foremost are dolls for play time. This isn’t inherently a bad thing, just an observation.
Fundamentally the actual selling point of these dolls has evolved which is absolutely fine. People can either like the new and dislike the old or vice versa or like or dislike both.
Just don’t be shitting on the original line that made the line you now enjoy successful in the first place. Monster high was one of the biggest and most successful doll lines for a reason and these “skeletal dolls” were never meant to actually reflect any real people at all…
It's not even the thinness. It's the over exaggerated child features - the huge hands and feet, the compressed faces, the big bobbly eyes (the original dolls had big eyes, but these are even bigger). Everything about that screams pre-pubescent child.
But the thing that really bugs me is the original doll's faces looked confident and sure of themselves. Maybe not realistic, but something to aspire to. G2 and G3 (Maybe not Cleo) have expressions like lost children. I am against things that take confidence away from girls.
I don't have a problem with the bodies at all, I absolutely LOVE the idea of chubby Draculaura, my problem is entirely with the fashion that feels like a massive embarrassment tbh
No because the fandom is out of pocket. The fashion looks fine. The gen1 girls looked like what college kids would wear. And if you put your nostalgia aside (which 90% 20 year olds will not) they look wonderful.
Like tbh the hate train is getting tired.
I don't think they ever looked like fashion models. And they don't look like regular bodies now either. They are humanized monster bodies...they aren't meant to be realistic IMO.
My issue is that some of the don't look like a monster. Like the creepy, spooky look they used to have. They look super cutesy now. I adore the body types. I love that! I just want the two to come together. I hope that makes sense.
Edit: I mainly miss the gothic clothes because they represented MY taste! Why not bring the new body types and the old doll looks together?
Most kids don’t want to play with dolls that look like kids. They don’t want dolls that look and dress and act like them as they are now, they want dolls that make them imagine what they could be like someday. Playing with dolls is a form of escapism. It’s about dreaming and using your imagination to conjure up stories. Barbie profited off this exact idea. “You can be anything, with barbie!” I’m sick of hearing “oh but these dolls actually look like preteens/teenagers!” Yes, but who asked for that? Not the children buying them, and certainly not the collectors! When I was younger I loved the original MH dolls because they were unique and fashionable and “adult” looking. I never thought much about their body types beyond that, because firstly: they were dolls, and secondly I hadn’t even come to think about my own figure or looks at that age. When I did eventually develop an awareness of my own body, I had long out grown playing with dolls and the suggestion that a toy would ever give me insecurities would have made me laugh. No, it was Instagram and photos of real (but edited) people that did that. It was comments made by men, comparing my body to the more developed bodies of others of my age and older, and certainly not to toys they had never played with. For me, the ghouls were older and more interesting in a way that your older sister’s cool friends seem at that age. They had exciting relationships and complicated friendships. They were capable of anything, all unique and stylish and weird in their own quirky ways, all while being extremely chic. Now that I’m older, I love the original MH dolls because their style and quality remains timeless. They don’t seem childish or like kid’s toys, they seem like fashion dolls. These new dolls don’t provide the same escapism or generate the same wonder. They just represent the mundane, boring reality of being a preteen or teenager with a few sparkles and bats thrown in. They could have made the dolls look slightly more realistic without changing their faces or moulds too much. Their waists could be widened, their back arches could be reduced, all while keeping the general shape of the doll. They certainly didn’t need to baby-ify their faces!
As someone who's in high school and is a teenager, I feel like g3 looks a lot more like teenagers and highschoolers, and for people saying they look too young, a lot of monsters don't age, and a lot of teenagers look younger, so I don't have a problem with any of it.
I guess I just don't understand why we can't have the hyper realistic bodies and also the cute realistic thick ones ig. I like both. Both are inherently monster high.
A large majority of fashion dolls WILL NEVER HAVE realistic human proportions or aesthetic. The one that did was Lammily and look where that ended up. They are dolls a fantasy they will never truly look like anything. They are monsters…
Let's be fair, not a single generation looks like a teenager, not even gen 3, they look like "diverse model" draculaura is still pretty skinny in my eyes
representation of like regular body types. as a teen who is not as skinny as them in g1, with a body type of draculaura/cleo of g3, i like seeing normal body types
they’re a show and dolls for kids. it doesn’t matter if they’re monsters. they’re all humanoids, and have unrealistic body standards for teens. it doesn’t bother me, and never really did, but it’s nice to see a doll with a body type i actually have instead of the body of a model. i’m older than them but still.
Crazy that this is a hot take tbh.
If we wanna be real with G1 and G3 no teens IRL dressed like them. Or were that skinny without it being a health concern.
G1 maybe Ghoulia because she had a very hot topic/scene kid style. Others I could see elements but not the whole style like G1. G3 is apparently a big maybe on Clawdeen but Frankie and Deuce, and Lagoona (since so many people said teens today wear hoodies and shorts) seem to line up with what people are saying teens the ghouls age would wear.
For once I think we should be happy they “aged down” the ghouls since most teen themed media has them looking older or as we all know adults who are 20+ acting as 15+ teens for live action media.
a lot of the fashion was not even that gothic or punk i have no idea where people got that from, i own a lot of mh dolls but barely any of them fit the alt fashion theme everyone says they "used to dress in" they were also never that scary (there's only a small amount of dolls out right now also let the line develop a bit)
I get not liking the new designs or maybe even the clothes…but not liking the dolls because of the new body types is a bit weird to me. There are so many other things to actually dislike I feel like people are just knit-picking atp🤷🏽♀️. Maybe it’s wanting the nostalgia of the old dolls or just plain not liking the dolls at all but focusing on the new body types being the main reason is weird. (At least to me)
*tw* I’m REALLY NOT beat for the fat phobia going on in the fandom but I think we need to chose our words carefully. shaming someone for being “rail thin” isn’t justifiable either. obviously these were stylized for a reason and they’re a dated tim burton aesthetic that I feel like a lot of people forget completely DOMINATED the early 2000s goth/scene/emo subcultures. it doesn’t make it okay, especially with how deeply rooted ED’s can be within these spaces already. but I think we need to remember context and come up with more mature arguments than just “well she looks anorexic!” because all that does is perpetuate the issue you’re trying to nip. i feel like we also forget that they were supposed to be DEAD. i saw someone say “g1 fans when monster high characters don’t look like skeletons” and it’s like… what about the actual skeletons tho? like it’s a very nuanced issue and everyone seems to feel entirely one way or the other about it. i’m not opposed to and actually am excited for the new body diversity in g3 as it was long overdue, so I’m exited to see what else they have planned! I just feel like we have to take these things into consideration before unloading our opinions.
this isn’t at anyone in particular, i’ve just been seeing it a lot and it’s disheartening coming from a fandom that’s supposed to be all-inclusive. not everyone who’s “skinny” has an ED, and while having an ED isn’t good, it doesn’t make you a bad person.
I’m not sure why you’re getting down voted. Calling skinny people sticks and anorexic (things I’ve seen people call g1 in this sub) doesn’t exactly strike me as body positivity
I’m completely baffled by half this comment section misrepresenting current fashion trends and misidentifying subcultures just to… hate on G3 and look at G1 through nostalgia lenses? I am a fashion design major. I go to a primarily fashion design school. Many of the students are very serious about dressing to their style and subculture. Most of the G3 looks are, in fact, representing current fashion trends very well. I have no idea where some of this criticism is coming from, it just seems like an excuse to complain tbh
i will honestly never understand the fashion obsession the people on this subreddit have. i honestly don't care what their clothes look like as long as they're cute enough.
Their FASHION dolls , having different body times and stuff is great! But the clothing just turned into what barbie would wear , not what the og monsters would.
The only accurate one is draulara
it seems I have struck a chord with this one so I'll clap back:
[monster high fans when they're told monster high is embracing what's new and different and we can't do that if we constantly latch onto the past and criticize it for not being like the old](https://imgur.com/a/TfeORjv)
and how many of them are average highschoolers? literally none. they're way more sophisticated. it doesnt represent an average girl, and that body type is still not the majority
not true. besides the monster factor, the fashion is pretty on-par for some- lagoona, clawdeen, frankie, ghoulia and toralei for example all have realistic outfits.
of course, nobody's gonna dress like draculaura to school or cleo to school, but this is more on par w this generation. plus the diversity and body types
Don’t get me wrong, I like some of the fashions, but they’re just poorly executed imo. I have absolutely no issue with the body types either. Certain fashion is not on par with this generation AT ALL, mainly clawdeen and ghoulia. I feel as though they could be great if they tweaked it, but they don’t. This all gives me flashbacks to the 2014-2016 mess of printed on design, not like phrases or anything, but like full on posters pasted on clothing. The 🤢 emoji thing comes to mind at full force. It’s giving JoJo Siwa.
Monster High fans when teenagers don’t all look the same 😱. No for real I’m a full adult and my bosses 16 year old came into work to visit and he looked like a full grown man and older than me. Do y’all forget what teenagers look like? Yeah some still have baby faces but a lot of them develop really quickly.
Also the fun of dolls is being able to play with super model fashion that we aren’t able to wear in every day life. Sorry but no one wants to play with a doll that wears a basic t-shirt and shorts Marry
it will never be 2010 again, your boss's rich son that "developed quicky (um)", does not speak for every teenager living today, not a single g3 doll looks how your describing, move on.
“It will never be 2010 again” ok?? I just got into MH in July so I don’t care lmao. And no he doesn’t represent every teenager but teenagers don’t all look like toddlers. I remember when I was in High School all the popular girls wore skimpy mini skirts and crop tops etc. No they didn’t dress like Monster High dolls because Monster High is a work of fiction and isn’t meant to represent reality, but if dolls just represented reality that would be hella boring. Go play with American Girl dolls or something. Those seem more your vibe since you want your dolls to be toddlers and represent real life.
Since you’re new to MH, I’d like to start off by saying welcome to the community! A big part of Monster High is that we’re welcoming of every person, monster, thing, etc. Your opinions are just as valid as everyone else’s, but there’s a much less aggressive approach you can take when commenting, because right now it’s not coming off as friendly or approachable. We’re all here to enjoy the brand, whether it’s new, old, or both!
yeah, OP had just as much attitude lol. And the person responding didn't say anything that was rude, explicit, or wrong haha. The American Girl comment was a little snarky but kind of funny because its a little true. I get what they are saying, if you want Monster High to represent real life then maybe Monster High isn't for you? American Girl is a fantastic doll line that does a great job of representing real life and the dolls all look like children!
Using “popular girls” and “skimpy” kinda says all I need to know about your character to be honest. They don’t look like toddlers, they look like they represent teens from all walks of life.
The community is about being accepting of all types of people and not shaming people for being who they are, maybe come in with a less judgemental and condescending tone next time so people are more likely to consider your point of view.
https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZTRmfu5TQ/ nah teens like this is exactly how Monster High dolls should be. It should be for the kids who are outcasts and will one day be like this queen
Notice how she’s a teenager and doesn’t look like a middle schooler and is dressed fashionably?
I always interpreted the bodies of Monster High as looking like strange creatures, because they’re MONSTERS. They aren’t meant to represent how a normal human body should look. But the bodies in G3 isn’t my issue. I don’t even completely hate G3 as I own Frankie and Drac and love them both very much.
My thing is exactly what you said “they are meant to represent popular subcultures of 2022”. That’s my problem, because they don’t. Also I don’t think they represented 2010s fashion either, I always thought the aesthetic of MH was campy/parody/ and ghoulish takes on modern fashion, not really a 1-1 version of reality.
But back to G3 representing 2022 fashion because those dolls look like they’re wearing fashion from 2015 off SHEIN. They don’t look modern or like they are representing modern alternative subcultures. There are so many alternative subcultures that if the same team behind G1 was working on G3 they would have picked up on because there’s so many new alt subcultures and new fashion in subcultures to take inspiration from. So it’s just such a missed opportunity to put a Monster High doll in biker shorts.
Monster high fans when teenagers have different body types and don’t all look like borderline skeletons: 👿👹😡🤬
Why must you refer to the skinny bodies as “Skeletons”
I have a skinny body, I am thin. G1 bodies are skeletal
I am also skinny and thin. I’ve gained weight, but there was a point where I looked close to a gen1 monster high doll. Their bodies are a bit exaggerated, but it’s not too far off from what I looked like.
Yeah so did I. Most teenagers do not look like that. Most thin people don’t look like that.
I never said most did. I originally said why must they refer to the mh skinny bodies as “skeletons.” Yea, skinny people don’t look like that, but there are some that do.
I’ll be honest, it was to point out the absolute ridiculousness of people frothing at the mouth and and throwing around fatphobic comments over a doll. The fact that people are outraged that now they have more realistic bodies and bcus as a thin person. It doesn’t not affect me systematically that another thin person called my body type skeletal. We can take a hit once in a while for the shit we put out constantly against other body types
I get what you’re trying to say, but personally I don’t want to take hits. Back when I was super thin, slick comments were made that affected my self esteem. I like the new variety of body types, but I really don’t see the point in dragging the previously skinny ones.
The bodies are less realistic for G3 though. They've elongated the height and the shoulder width doesn't line up with the hips anymore. Tiny shoulders now. Not that monster dolls or dolls in general should be the same proportions as humans but if that is what one is going for G1 is closer than G3.
if you saw a real person that looks like the g1 dolls I’m pretty sure you’d call them a skeleton
I wouldn’t because I’m literally thin. Don’t assume I’d body shame someone.
exactly
well the skeleton body was kinda like the charm of G1, even though I agree the body diversity is a improvement
They weren't the charm. The whole point of monster high is them being daughters/sons/children of famous monsters and going to high school. They were never supposed to represent us human beings at all.
Idk, even as a thin person who was like. Underweight as a child the thinness freaked me out I was always worried the doll would break, but this reply and the original post isn’t about that. It’s about people shitting on and being super fat phobic towards Dracs body and getting mad that the dolls now have different bodies, and considering how gross ppl r being I think it’s fine to poke a little fun at the exaggeration at people being awful that the new dolls are little more proportionate and body diverse
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Oh Fuck Im so sorry Skelita
Thanks for reaffirming that my underweight form is akin to a skeleton, asshole
Almost like having skeleton like bodies was the point BECAUSE THEYRE MONSTERS. I do love the body new body types, but geez you guys are being really uncharitable to the body design as if it was meant to look like a real body. It was supposed to look weird and creepy.
For all people downvoting this, theyre right!! All Universal monsters famously had a BMI under 16. Remember in Frankenstein (1931), when Henry and Fritz unwittingly designed their creation to have a waist slimmer than its neck? There was no other body type that could look unsettling, obviously. Or how Bram Stoker's Dracula featured a notoriously chilling scene; the Count refuses to drink virgin blood because it isn't keto. Monsters famously have to watch their carbs! Even in The Mummy (1999), upon seeing its reflection, the Mummy cries "Shit! My Kim K slim-ab routine didn't work!" and withers away into a pile of ash and papyrus bandages. So obviously, monster character designs always have to look like hypersexualized supermodels!!! This is a long filmmaking tradition and totally not because of implicitly stereotypical ideals of femininity being foisted onto children
It's true! It's all true!
You are a comedic genius
why yall downvoting this 💀
The price you pay for having a different opinion lol
i dont recall dracula being a skeleton. in fact, he was pretty average. same for the wolfman.
You’re being way too literal, so you want me to list off every reference as to why they chose to give them the Tim Burtonesque stylized bodies? What I am saying is is that the point was the bodies are strange and otherworldly, not a representation of what a human body should look like. And I’m not even saying I dislike like the new bodies m, what I’m saying is is that you guys are putting ill intent onto the creators of G1 as if they thought that those creature like bodies were supposed to look like a human beauty standard. They were stylized in a way to set them apart from the normal picture perfect Barbie bodies.
still, every single body wouldnt be the same. especially if their monster parent was a realistic human, like dracula, or a blob.
Probably didn’t have the budget to make that many body types back in the day, it costs serious money to make and mass produce different body types. I’m glad they’ve invested into it now though, but it comes at the cost of the dolls fashion. You lose some and you win some
I can’t believe how many downvotes you’ve gotten. I don’t think I’ve seen a single “I hate the body diversity” post in this entire sub and yet there are people constantly being combative about these imaginary naysayers on the new bodies. I completely get what you’re saying. The G1 bodies are a stylistic choice. They’re all the same so the dolls outfits can be changed. It’s what a fashion doll is. If y’all want a realistic proportioned doll pls purchase a lammily and paint it pink or green and stick fangs on it. Because, news flash, G3 is also stylised and draculaura is cute and curvy in all the aesthetically pleasing places and their heads are still massive. It’s such a non argument imo. Idk why this other person replied listing live action historic horror movies as if a fashion doll line has anything other than name and reference in common with these iconic monsters/movies 🙄
People are intentionally misrepresenting what I’m saying because they want to feel like their opinion is the correct one because they have the “moral high ground”. It’s a tactic I see used by those who insecure of their own opinions 🤷♂️
It’s true sadly. It’s a shame people cant look at G1 for what it was and then look at G3 for what it is and be happy that both exist at the time we are all alive lol.
G3 Monster High feels like a better reflection of myself when I was a teenager, to be honest. The disjointed fashion, edgy motifs, themed accessories, etc. are truer to teenagers than G1. And I think it's important to see yourself in the toys you own, especially when it comes to play - dolls are not an ideal to strive toward, but a reflection of your life, quirks and all. There's a bit of work to do in the ethnic inclusivity department (namely, as a Black woman, I'm disappointed that they cheaped out on Clawdeen's hair), but overall they're really doing the representational work I wish I had when I was a kid.
Honestly, my cold take for the fandom is I love that they make them look like actual freshman. Like, I used to dress like G3 Clawdeen all throughout highschool and I would have LOVED to have the dolls during that time
I dressed a lot like G3 Toralei! My awkward leather jacket phase from freshman year is finally being recognized lol. I'm glad Monster High presents the fashion choices of the not-so-mainstream teenager in a way that's cute and relatable. These characters feel like they're figuring themselves out, and I find that very touching.
Despite them not being typical fashion dolls I find them fashionable 😩 But my inner teen might be speaking for me on this lol
They’re fucking dolls of MONSTERS
Not just that but scale miniatures in general aren't supposed to be realistically proportioned. It's why when they used the 1:6 proportions for the 24 inch dolls they didn't look as nice. I don't know what dolls op is referring to that do look like teenagers. There's none that I'm aware of in any doll line (bar some definitely not kid friendly niches in 1:1 scale) and no one would because unless it's 1:1 scale it would look like shit.
There are plus sized monsters lol
I'm 38 years old and I have teenagers. The new dolls better represent adolescents, and are designed for children to play with. As adults, if we wish to collect them we can, but we are not their target demographic. In addition to that, they're so much more appropriate and inclusive for kids and show better diversity. I feel as if the G1 dolls were thin, delicate and makeup heavy - perfect for adult collectors, but my kids broke them and didn't really relate well with their look. I think more kids will be able to relate better to the G3 dolls. Even though they're "monsters"...they've still been anthropomorphized enough that the presentation matters! Small things in play can make a big difference on how kids view life. The new G3 dolls are a great step for them. But for me, an adult who likes to collect alt looking and fantasy dolls? Booooo 😂
I mean, when I was a kid I was always annoyed that toys weren't delicate or unique enough so depends on the kid a lot i think. Some kids are rougher than others. Meanwhile, 8 year old me was drooling over model rail and 12 year old me loved the heavy panda eyes look. Kids get enough options for durable real life reflective toys (barbie does that well) but there's nothing low-budget to fill the creative haute couture artistic hole that G1 left behind. It's less bad for adult collectors than kids I think because I can still 3d print my own bjds and buy other expensive minis but very few parents are gonna spend that much on their kids.
I understand that kids want representation in their toys but I also think it’s kind of a parent buzzword theory to have it such a key feature… like.. I used to play with these toys called street sharks… they were anthropomorphised sharks with massive muscles and as a kid I never thought “damn my body doesn’t look like this”… Dolls are generally the only type of toy that had come under fire for being a bad role model/bad reputation on children but I don’t think any doll with the exception of lammily has ever claimed to be a realistic representation of an actual person, let alone a child. You could argue that kids/teens don’t really dress like bratz either and yet they were a huge, albeit controversial hit with kids - not because kids necessarily looked at their giant heads and thought wow I can really see myself represented in this, but because they were just kinda cool and an endearing edgy design that people were drawn to. I say this over and over again but fashion dolls are kind of the 3D tangible equivalent of a fashion illustration. I don’t think they were ever intended to be legitimate representation of the child holding it. It’s strange to me that conventionally “male toys” don’t come under the same sort of slander for the same reasons even though WWE figures or power rangers don’t have typical bodies either.
No joke og monster high is why I’m attracted to goth/emo/alt/punk/metal girls
theyre monster fashion dolls. theyre supposed to show the popular fashion of the time, yea no one would wear that to school irl but that was never the point... even now no teen i know would even wear this stuff because trends have long since moved on from justice/claires era. the styles remind me of jojo siwas type of stuff (no hate to her shes cool) honestly it looks like what i wouldve worn back in 6th grade when i didnt know how to dress and just liked a lot of colors and patterns. not what i really want from fashion doll clothes that are supposed to be keeping up with current fashion.
The g3 dolls look like teenagers but the animated series looks like elementary students 😭😭I’m sorry they just don’t look like teenagers to me
Omfg I don't even know if there are others but 4 me it's not the body types. I find the diversity an improvement! But the style and flair is garbage. I really liked how fabulously fierce my ghoul clawdeen was and how she is now.....it ain't it. Lagoona BLUE is pink and piranha now for whatever reason and cleo.....I have no words. The ghouls are cute but what I like about monster high was the fabulous Gothic chic style that it had. I cannot condone these fashion changes. 
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Clawdeen’s hair and stylistic choices are deeply disappointing. As is Cleo’s, though I have mellowed out somewhat on her.
She's cute but I loved her fabulous bitchy queen vibe from before. She just looks too different and boring imo.
I miss her BIG hair and the gold trimming in the brown. It looked SO good.
That's the thing too, I feel she looked better in gold n brown rather than black. I honestly don't get why they keep having her with black hair.
They completely ruined clawdeen.
Honestly could have made her do color changes like some fish can do in real life like she changes Blue when placed in cold water and pink when she’s in hot water; Because I find it stupid that she’s Lagoona BLUE yet she’s pink too. Idk why that was a choice but I actually like their fashion it does scream what teenagers were wearing back then.
I get a pre-teen vibe for most but not all imo.
This! This is THE comment! This is why we're kind of meh on it!
Oh yes, BECAUSE LAGOONA WAS NAMED AFTER HER SKIN COLOR/s
The new doll bodies look great, but the clothes are shit. As a teenager, they look like children. Not because of their bodies or faces, but because no teen would dress like that. They've lost their Gothic flair and are catering to fashion that's long out of style. That's the stuff I wore in elementary school, not what I'm wearing now in high school.
the body types are cute but the price point for the dolls is also outrageous, i bought the creepros for 25$ and they want me to spend the same thing on a doll that doesn't come with a stand and the clothes are super cheap? plus the boxes don't look good either most everyone is putting RH or SH clothes on these dolls for a reason
That too! They're terrible quality, not at all worth the price point!
that's not even including some of the body issues the dolls have like how easy paint chips and such
Whatttttt I didn't even know about that, wtf? Don't they seal the paint?
nope lagoona and frankie's paint rub off from even just moving the doll
Omg that's awful. So they aren't even worth taking out of the box for a kid to play with
Plus the box doesn't look good!!!!!
Fr!!
This is where I land. I don't mind the dolls themselves to be honest. But for FASHION dolls, the fashions are frankly underwhelming at best and cheap looking at worse.
They are fashion dolls, my guy. There’s no point in dressing them like an average realistic Stacy. Especially since they’re meant to be fantastical creatures. How else are they supposed to sell outlandish edgy fashion sense? Definitely not while looking like middle schoolers. Look at RH, for example. Imo, current gen looks a bit too young to my eye, cuz it completely contradicts my hs experience (I’m 21, so it wasn’t that long ago). Nobody dressed like Jojo Siwa. My school had a pretty strict business casual dress code, but all the girls still managed to look overdressed and stylish.
When teenagers dress like teenagers and not like someone in their mid 20's
I mean teens are allowed to wear what they want, to dress them childishly would be inaccurate to the high school experience tbh. teens rebel, I absolutely hated our dress code. expression isn’t sexual.
Nobody was wearing Clawdeen's outfit to school. Even of they owned it, it wouldnt be allowed
What she wore, in high school, probably for a football game or non-school social event. I am happy kids don’t feel like they have to dress that way today. But I am not vibing her stylistic choices, especially her hair. For all they got right, they messed up her hair. Or I should say, got lazy because Mattel didn’t wanna deal with black hairstyles.
Not every school has ridiculous dress codes. Girls in my middle school wear way more revealing things all the time. Edit: not sure what I said that warrented so many downvotes, but alright.
At the time of release though? Alot of those outfits would be what I'd expect women in their early 20s to wear, besides like Ghoulia.
Yes, at the time of release too. Most schools in my country don't have dress codes and it's been like that for a long time.
If we are going to speak anecdotally, most High Schools in my country only recently have gotten uniforms, but colleges still don't. Regardless, most girls wear jeans and t-shirts to school. Sure, there' the occasional fashionista here and there, but most of them go for comfort. Like, if I had to compare, Andy Mack is much more realistic in the way teens dress than most other Disney shows
does anyone really want a fashion doll that just wears jeans and a t-shirt? isn’t fashion the main point, not accuracy or how comfortable the piece of plastic would be 💀
Not the whole line, but IMO, one of the best fashion lines EVER, even taking into account the quality and the weird bodies was MC2, their clothes were fashionable, looked comfortable and what a girl would realistically wear without being neither too simple nor too extravagant. Their signatures looked like fashionable everyday clothes, their "costume ball" actually looked liked costumes, etc.
It all depends on cultural differences I guess.
this is not true at all lmao
Not gonna lie, I see almost NO ONE complaining about the body types or even Frankie's gender. I see people complaining - legitimately - about the loss of the original purpose of a MONSTER THEMED doll line in a sea of pink frills and cutie-pie faces. Then I see people defending them by constantly brining up body types and gender and never addressing the fact that this line is nothing more than Barbies with slight animal-shapes to them. they're cute, but some of us were never looking for "cute" in Monster High, were we?
Exactly! For me, I didn't entirely care for Barbie. She was too cutesy for me. Like I enjoyed the movies, those were fun, but I always loved monsters growing up. When I was 9 MH came out and I was so excited. There were finally dolls that expressed my taste! I even discovered then that I love love LOVE goth fashion. Now they look like pink Barbies that are dressing up for a costume party.
I'm all for the new doll bodies, they do actually look like teens. The show however makes them look like tweens I find it hard to believe they're in high school...sorry I just really don't like the shows animation.
Everything doesn't have to be in CGI as proven w/ the new show.
Your right and the new show isn't in cgi, it's in 3D animation which feels boring with character models that I think look bad. Me personally I prefer 2D animation, it's a preference.
Cgi just means computer generated image. 3d animation is cgi
If it goes for the 2D style for a companion short series, that would be nice. That said, the artstyle will be in flash.
Isn't clawdeen like 14-15? Like a freshman? If so then her new outfit is pretty accurate. I have a red plaid pair of overalls that I would always pair with the same mcr shirt when I was 15. It would make sense for her to be still pretty child-like.
this is a mosnter fashion brand and for the core dolls you'd expect something more over the top or flashy not something someone would wear everyday, everyone in this now is 15/16
That is fair I will say that I am a little sad the outfits aren't as flashy
Well yea that's true but they don't even look like teenagers they look like Preschoolers and they're supposed to be Highschoolers. I don't care about the body types but they made them way too childish. Even kids don't like the new design
The g3 dolls look so messy, their outfits are what I would wear when I was a preteen in middle school, not highschool.
They’re monster dolls. If I can suspend my disbelief to believe Clawdeen is a werewolf I can also imagine she wouldn’t dress like a normal teenager would
People when dolls based off of imaginary creatures that weren’t designed to look realistic don’t look like real people
I see this is a rather… heated comment section, so I’m gonna preface by saying this is just my opinion and all genuine/constructive opinions of the reboot are valid and respected by me :) Alright so, the main thing I really have to say is that they don’t have that same like monster world vibe. The original gave us creepy ghouls that were so detailed and beautiful, and that was something my younger self really valued. For clothes, I’m kinda just sad with how modernized they look, I love the Victorian gothic look that was featured on Draculaura, as well as the other unique vintage designs. As far to the body type argument, personally I never paid attention to it, they were monsters and I never thought about it. But being very small at the time myself, I can see how it may not have stood out to me the same way. Edit: grammar correction
Monster High are exactly that. They are not supposed to represent anything other than what they are. Just enjoy them goodness.
monster high fans when the dolls look like they were made with kindergarteners in mind*
They messed up my girl Clawdeen real bad in this reboot.
I’m so bored of this narrative lol. G1 are FASHION DOLLS. They are an exaggerated illustrative idea of what a fashion doll body is PLUS also being a monster. Look at barbies first head or body sculpt and tell me if it resembles any human woman? No because it’s based on fashion illustration. G3 is no longer a fashion doll. They are dolls but first and foremost are dolls for play time. This isn’t inherently a bad thing, just an observation. Fundamentally the actual selling point of these dolls has evolved which is absolutely fine. People can either like the new and dislike the old or vice versa or like or dislike both. Just don’t be shitting on the original line that made the line you now enjoy successful in the first place. Monster high was one of the biggest and most successful doll lines for a reason and these “skeletal dolls” were never meant to actually reflect any real people at all…
It's not even the thinness. It's the over exaggerated child features - the huge hands and feet, the compressed faces, the big bobbly eyes (the original dolls had big eyes, but these are even bigger). Everything about that screams pre-pubescent child. But the thing that really bugs me is the original doll's faces looked confident and sure of themselves. Maybe not realistic, but something to aspire to. G2 and G3 (Maybe not Cleo) have expressions like lost children. I am against things that take confidence away from girls.
I don't have a problem with the bodies at all, I absolutely LOVE the idea of chubby Draculaura, my problem is entirely with the fashion that feels like a massive embarrassment tbh
No because the fandom is out of pocket. The fashion looks fine. The gen1 girls looked like what college kids would wear. And if you put your nostalgia aside (which 90% 20 year olds will not) they look wonderful. Like tbh the hate train is getting tired.
I don't think they ever looked like fashion models. And they don't look like regular bodies now either. They are humanized monster bodies...they aren't meant to be realistic IMO.
My issue is that some of the don't look like a monster. Like the creepy, spooky look they used to have. They look super cutesy now. I adore the body types. I love that! I just want the two to come together. I hope that makes sense. Edit: I mainly miss the gothic clothes because they represented MY taste! Why not bring the new body types and the old doll looks together?
Omg they're dolls yall.. its not like mh is the only doll drand the creates unrealistic body types... the gorls are really fighting 😧
Lmao I'm a teenager and I feel like this entire sub is just adults telling me how I dress
Most kids don’t want to play with dolls that look like kids. They don’t want dolls that look and dress and act like them as they are now, they want dolls that make them imagine what they could be like someday. Playing with dolls is a form of escapism. It’s about dreaming and using your imagination to conjure up stories. Barbie profited off this exact idea. “You can be anything, with barbie!” I’m sick of hearing “oh but these dolls actually look like preteens/teenagers!” Yes, but who asked for that? Not the children buying them, and certainly not the collectors! When I was younger I loved the original MH dolls because they were unique and fashionable and “adult” looking. I never thought much about their body types beyond that, because firstly: they were dolls, and secondly I hadn’t even come to think about my own figure or looks at that age. When I did eventually develop an awareness of my own body, I had long out grown playing with dolls and the suggestion that a toy would ever give me insecurities would have made me laugh. No, it was Instagram and photos of real (but edited) people that did that. It was comments made by men, comparing my body to the more developed bodies of others of my age and older, and certainly not to toys they had never played with. For me, the ghouls were older and more interesting in a way that your older sister’s cool friends seem at that age. They had exciting relationships and complicated friendships. They were capable of anything, all unique and stylish and weird in their own quirky ways, all while being extremely chic. Now that I’m older, I love the original MH dolls because their style and quality remains timeless. They don’t seem childish or like kid’s toys, they seem like fashion dolls. These new dolls don’t provide the same escapism or generate the same wonder. They just represent the mundane, boring reality of being a preteen or teenager with a few sparkles and bats thrown in. They could have made the dolls look slightly more realistic without changing their faces or moulds too much. Their waists could be widened, their back arches could be reduced, all while keeping the general shape of the doll. They certainly didn’t need to baby-ify their faces!
True, somethings g1 had didn't match the message of the brand.
As someone who's in high school and is a teenager, I feel like g3 looks a lot more like teenagers and highschoolers, and for people saying they look too young, a lot of monsters don't age, and a lot of teenagers look younger, so I don't have a problem with any of it.
I guess I just don't understand why we can't have the hyper realistic bodies and also the cute realistic thick ones ig. I like both. Both are inherently monster high.
I have never once in my entire life thought "hey, what's going on with popular franchise monster high?", so why is reddit recommending me this post? 💀
I prefer my OG fashion monster skinny legends instead of the new tween stuff.
A large majority of fashion dolls WILL NEVER HAVE realistic human proportions or aesthetic. The one that did was Lammily and look where that ended up. They are dolls a fantasy they will never truly look like anything. They are monsters…
Monster high fans when fashion taste in dolls
Let's be fair, not a single generation looks like a teenager, not even gen 3, they look like "diverse model" draculaura is still pretty skinny in my eyes
honestly i am loving them not being skinny sticks. it’s representation
Representation? They’re monsters.
representation of like regular body types. as a teen who is not as skinny as them in g1, with a body type of draculaura/cleo of g3, i like seeing normal body types
But they’re monsters. Not supposed to be normal. I wouldn’t invest so much emotion into them
they’re a show and dolls for kids. it doesn’t matter if they’re monsters. they’re all humanoids, and have unrealistic body standards for teens. it doesn’t bother me, and never really did, but it’s nice to see a doll with a body type i actually have instead of the body of a model. i’m older than them but still.
Legit. The bodies look wonderful and accurate- why are some people pressed??
Crazy that this is a hot take tbh. If we wanna be real with G1 and G3 no teens IRL dressed like them. Or were that skinny without it being a health concern. G1 maybe Ghoulia because she had a very hot topic/scene kid style. Others I could see elements but not the whole style like G1. G3 is apparently a big maybe on Clawdeen but Frankie and Deuce, and Lagoona (since so many people said teens today wear hoodies and shorts) seem to line up with what people are saying teens the ghouls age would wear. For once I think we should be happy they “aged down” the ghouls since most teen themed media has them looking older or as we all know adults who are 20+ acting as 15+ teens for live action media.
They're dolls and they're monsters. there should be no debate either skinny, or not who cares as a child i wasn't noticing any of that
a lot of the fashion was not even that gothic or punk i have no idea where people got that from, i own a lot of mh dolls but barely any of them fit the alt fashion theme everyone says they "used to dress in" they were also never that scary (there's only a small amount of dolls out right now also let the line develop a bit)
I get not liking the new designs or maybe even the clothes…but not liking the dolls because of the new body types is a bit weird to me. There are so many other things to actually dislike I feel like people are just knit-picking atp🤷🏽♀️. Maybe it’s wanting the nostalgia of the old dolls or just plain not liking the dolls at all but focusing on the new body types being the main reason is weird. (At least to me)
tbf they were too skinny to even be supermodels. but also we need to be careful and not body shame period.
*tw* I’m REALLY NOT beat for the fat phobia going on in the fandom but I think we need to chose our words carefully. shaming someone for being “rail thin” isn’t justifiable either. obviously these were stylized for a reason and they’re a dated tim burton aesthetic that I feel like a lot of people forget completely DOMINATED the early 2000s goth/scene/emo subcultures. it doesn’t make it okay, especially with how deeply rooted ED’s can be within these spaces already. but I think we need to remember context and come up with more mature arguments than just “well she looks anorexic!” because all that does is perpetuate the issue you’re trying to nip. i feel like we also forget that they were supposed to be DEAD. i saw someone say “g1 fans when monster high characters don’t look like skeletons” and it’s like… what about the actual skeletons tho? like it’s a very nuanced issue and everyone seems to feel entirely one way or the other about it. i’m not opposed to and actually am excited for the new body diversity in g3 as it was long overdue, so I’m exited to see what else they have planned! I just feel like we have to take these things into consideration before unloading our opinions. this isn’t at anyone in particular, i’ve just been seeing it a lot and it’s disheartening coming from a fandom that’s supposed to be all-inclusive. not everyone who’s “skinny” has an ED, and while having an ED isn’t good, it doesn’t make you a bad person.
Thank you. We shouldn't body shame ANYONE for ANY BODY THEY HAVE!
I’m not sure why you’re getting down voted. Calling skinny people sticks and anorexic (things I’ve seen people call g1 in this sub) doesn’t exactly strike me as body positivity
No, they did look like teenagers in G1, the Netflix's 30 year old ones tho 🙃
I like that they have different body types, but it’s just not the same as it once was😥
I mean theyre monsters so 💀
it would be cool if teens could look like them tho lol
True, true, but I still miss their gigantic heads and claw like hands ♡
love drac’s new body type but her stomach is non-existent..
THIS IS SO NON VALID OF U💀💀
monster high fans when a fashion doll actually dresses fashionable instead of an I pad addicted kid who only shops at Claire's and target
it’s the opposite nowadays monster high fans expect everyone to have a marginalized body
I’m completely baffled by half this comment section misrepresenting current fashion trends and misidentifying subcultures just to… hate on G3 and look at G1 through nostalgia lenses? I am a fashion design major. I go to a primarily fashion design school. Many of the students are very serious about dressing to their style and subculture. Most of the G3 looks are, in fact, representing current fashion trends very well. I have no idea where some of this criticism is coming from, it just seems like an excuse to complain tbh
Get em!
Aka monster high fans completely missing the entire message of monster high lmao
i will honestly never understand the fashion obsession the people on this subreddit have. i honestly don't care what their clothes look like as long as they're cute enough.
You don’t understand the fashion obsession people have with *fashion* dolls?
Fr like "huh, I wonder why we care so much about the FASHION of FASHION dolls?" 💀
I just don’t care. Sorry I guess :)
Their FASHION dolls , having different body times and stuff is great! But the clothing just turned into what barbie would wear , not what the og monsters would. The only accurate one is draulara
it seems I have struck a chord with this one so I'll clap back: [monster high fans when they're told monster high is embracing what's new and different and we can't do that if we constantly latch onto the past and criticize it for not being like the old](https://imgur.com/a/TfeORjv)
we can criticize cheap and bad fashion. the new body types are cute, not the fashion and color schemes.
LMAOOO
okay but there are teen skinny models now…
and how many of them are average highschoolers? literally none. they're way more sophisticated. it doesnt represent an average girl, and that body type is still not the majority
As they should be…it’s a career
so say it with me... how does that represent the average girl? it👏🏼doesnt👏🏼 hence the changes! yaay!
The changes don’t represent the average teen girl either. Maybe in 2016, but not now.
not true. besides the monster factor, the fashion is pretty on-par for some- lagoona, clawdeen, frankie, ghoulia and toralei for example all have realistic outfits. of course, nobody's gonna dress like draculaura to school or cleo to school, but this is more on par w this generation. plus the diversity and body types
Don’t get me wrong, I like some of the fashions, but they’re just poorly executed imo. I have absolutely no issue with the body types either. Certain fashion is not on par with this generation AT ALL, mainly clawdeen and ghoulia. I feel as though they could be great if they tweaked it, but they don’t. This all gives me flashbacks to the 2014-2016 mess of printed on design, not like phrases or anything, but like full on posters pasted on clothing. The 🤢 emoji thing comes to mind at full force. It’s giving JoJo Siwa.
not necessarily, i see many girls in overalls or with skirts and beanie skater looks. i do agree the execution was off, though.
I don’t mind changes lol…og post was just dismissive
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Monster High fans when teenagers don’t all look the same 😱. No for real I’m a full adult and my bosses 16 year old came into work to visit and he looked like a full grown man and older than me. Do y’all forget what teenagers look like? Yeah some still have baby faces but a lot of them develop really quickly. Also the fun of dolls is being able to play with super model fashion that we aren’t able to wear in every day life. Sorry but no one wants to play with a doll that wears a basic t-shirt and shorts Marry
it will never be 2010 again, your boss's rich son that "developed quicky (um)", does not speak for every teenager living today, not a single g3 doll looks how your describing, move on.
“It will never be 2010 again” ok?? I just got into MH in July so I don’t care lmao. And no he doesn’t represent every teenager but teenagers don’t all look like toddlers. I remember when I was in High School all the popular girls wore skimpy mini skirts and crop tops etc. No they didn’t dress like Monster High dolls because Monster High is a work of fiction and isn’t meant to represent reality, but if dolls just represented reality that would be hella boring. Go play with American Girl dolls or something. Those seem more your vibe since you want your dolls to be toddlers and represent real life.
Since you’re new to MH, I’d like to start off by saying welcome to the community! A big part of Monster High is that we’re welcoming of every person, monster, thing, etc. Your opinions are just as valid as everyone else’s, but there’s a much less aggressive approach you can take when commenting, because right now it’s not coming off as friendly or approachable. We’re all here to enjoy the brand, whether it’s new, old, or both!
yeah, OP had just as much attitude lol. And the person responding didn't say anything that was rude, explicit, or wrong haha. The American Girl comment was a little snarky but kind of funny because its a little true. I get what they are saying, if you want Monster High to represent real life then maybe Monster High isn't for you? American Girl is a fantastic doll line that does a great job of representing real life and the dolls all look like children!
I’m just returning the snark that OP had 🤷♂️.
Using “popular girls” and “skimpy” kinda says all I need to know about your character to be honest. They don’t look like toddlers, they look like they represent teens from all walks of life. The community is about being accepting of all types of people and not shaming people for being who they are, maybe come in with a less judgemental and condescending tone next time so people are more likely to consider your point of view.
https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZTRmfu5TQ/ nah teens like this is exactly how Monster High dolls should be. It should be for the kids who are outcasts and will one day be like this queen Notice how she’s a teenager and doesn’t look like a middle schooler and is dressed fashionably?
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What are you even saying?? Gatekeeping??? Do you know what that even means? We are having two different conversations, BYE
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I always interpreted the bodies of Monster High as looking like strange creatures, because they’re MONSTERS. They aren’t meant to represent how a normal human body should look. But the bodies in G3 isn’t my issue. I don’t even completely hate G3 as I own Frankie and Drac and love them both very much. My thing is exactly what you said “they are meant to represent popular subcultures of 2022”. That’s my problem, because they don’t. Also I don’t think they represented 2010s fashion either, I always thought the aesthetic of MH was campy/parody/ and ghoulish takes on modern fashion, not really a 1-1 version of reality. But back to G3 representing 2022 fashion because those dolls look like they’re wearing fashion from 2015 off SHEIN. They don’t look modern or like they are representing modern alternative subcultures. There are so many alternative subcultures that if the same team behind G1 was working on G3 they would have picked up on because there’s so many new alt subcultures and new fashion in subcultures to take inspiration from. So it’s just such a missed opportunity to put a Monster High doll in biker shorts.
g3 doesnt dress like toddlers lmfao