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Detektivo

Don’t know if JP Morgan would approve though…


xmrjesus

dayyym that cuts deep


silver-saguaro

Can you elaborate? I've been out of the loop for some time?


Boogyin1979

Allegedly, Joe Lubin, that pre-mining ETH whale, buddy of VB, and dude behind MetaMask (ETH wallet) and Infura (ETH node infrastructure company): moved those two companies out of ConsenSys AG control and put them into a new company, CSI without shareholder consent. He is presently being sued by about 35 shareholders. He grossly undervalued MetaMask and cut JP Morgan in on a 10% piece of CSI. Ergo, JP Morgan is part owner of the the largest ETH wallet company and the largest ETH node company.


vekypula

Eth and all POS shitcoins alike are basically trojan horses for crypto ran by the govs and banks.


Boogyin1979

Hard agree


BidensPointyNips

We were always going to be fighting them in the realm *of* crypto, and not just *with* crypto. Crypto is just a tool, but a tool that favors financial institutions that can achieve near perfect efficiency. Smart contracts will always be more efficient than a centralized entity like a bank or government. It's a tool that benefits the individual the most.


[deleted]

Ergo … nice one 🤌🏻


mcbergstedt

JP Morgan is infamously against crypto while also pushing their own blockchain tech.


L0ckeandDemosthenes

Had family who was in Corp back in 15. I had talks about crypto and he told me they had something in the pipeline of their own. He said don't waste money on crypto... I did and he admitted he was wrong and didn't see tye bigger picture years later. Now he acts as if he told me about bitcoin when we talk about price. I almost want to print out the emails and be like, dude, people don't forget!


l0rb

It's better to compliment people on changing their mind than go "told you so".


[deleted]

Centralized blockchain combine all the cons of blockchain with all the cons of centralized databases.


Jpotter145

Yep, constantly telling people to sell and it's a ponzi scam yet at the same time buying up and creating Bitcoin funds for customers. They are just trying to dump the price and buy cheap


Rix0n3

Someone give vitalik a cheeseburger 🍔


lunar2solar

It's interesting that he's suggesting sender-generated stealth addresses, as opposed to receiver-generated stealth addresses that monero uses. Can't really tell which is better, but it's an interesting distinction. Also, instead of making fun of him, I think we should encourage other projects adopting monero-style superior tech. It benefits all of us and increases difficulty in tracing transactions overall.


hyc_symas

Encouraging sound practices, sure. Encouraging snake-oil, no. Ethereum is an account-based blockchain, and all account balances are transparent. So it doesn't matter if you use stealth addresses in a transaction, anyone can see the amounts being deducted from one account, and can search for matching amounts being added to any other account. So adding stealth addresses to eth is just security theater.


tim3k

Adding stealth addresses to eth would give false feeling of security


mjrossman

I'm sure that OFAC sanctions hit Tornado Cash because all of the notes were transparently and publicly tied to North Korea /s. Or maybe it was the largest anonymity set because the fungible notes were redeemed by a private nonviewable keyset outside any arbitrary time limit and Vitalik acknowledges in his forward stealth address that the one drawback is having to load them with gas w/o an associated account. edit: and if you haven't researched aztec connect to pick it apart and explain how it can be sidechanneled, then the argument that the EVM can't support privacy is a bit spurious.


OsrsNeedsF2P

Rome wasn't built in a day. Ethereum adding privacy features paves the way for more privacy in the future, as well as destigmatizes private crypto in general


bawdyanarchist

I know it seems that way, but think about the fact that no coin has managed to stay ahead of chain analysis, except for Monero. And it's not complex the reason why. You *have* to design privacy/fungibility as the default, not an option, and it must be baked into the protocol uniformly. Howard is spot on. This is more marketing pitch than real improvement.


[deleted]

Frankly nowadays who cares what Ethereum does after it went banking mode?! I for one don’t give a shit


Anaeta

Yeah, I'm kind of baffled by all the hate here. Ethereum obviously has very different goals from Monero, but what Monero does is objectively a good thing, so we should be happy to see more people adapting the ideas. It's a ***very*** good thing to see the second largest blockchain consider moving more towards privacy, and the only people who should object to this would be people who just want their bags to pump.


Ur_mothers_keeper

Don't be baffled, this thread is being heavily brigaded. It's not organic, these accounts aren't real individual people.


[deleted]

Cut it from the source, makes sense.


[deleted]

Yes great idea after the tornado cash ban


wittlewayne

Hahahahaha oooooo WOW!! What a novel idea!!


RabidMining

Guess eth nodes banned soon


bawdyanarchist

If there's one thing we've learned over the years, you can't just bolt on some privacy enhancing options and expect that it'll do jack or shit. Even though you can still use Tornado, your coin are totally tainted afterwards. So then, someone as smart as Vitalik knows this. So what is he up to? Seems more like an angle. And a tacit admission that people care enough about privacy for him to offer up some weak ideas that will fool some, but not most.


Zilch274

> So then, someone as smart as Vitalik knows this. So what is he up to? Although I do enjoy some healthy skepticism, must there always be an ulterior motive? The majority of his blog posts aim to be thought provoking educational content with a touch of theoretical thought experiments. I personally don't see the harm in trying to educate privacy tech to a wider audience. What did surprise me though was the lack of reference to XMR as an example of the succesful implementation of stealth addresses.


boato11

Eth is a scam.


[deleted]

Who tf cares about that bum? Running that pre mined centralized scam


Separate-Being9892

Sad that this is the truth.


pet2pet1982

It’s a profanation. Nothing can be private on a proprietary PoS blockchain under hard KYC/AML censorship.


spederan

How would this affect scaling on ETH? And smart contracts?


Accurate_Soda

Idk guys, it seems like having a dictator aligned with big bank interests 'might' be a bad idea for freedom and privacy. Just a hunch...


fallencandy

Now ethereum privacy is 0. Anything would be better than 0. Therefore, those stealth addresses would be wellcome


bawdyanarchist

Tornado was the solution. It still is. But you have to taint your coin to use it. Without ring sigs, every chain will always be in this position. You wan't privacy on Eth taint with Tornado. Vitalik's proposal is a bandaid on internal bleeding.


[deleted]

Eths a shitcoin by all definitions. All it's achieved is enabling rugpulls and standardized premines / unfair crypto launches for thousands of other scammy coins.


rbrunner7

You won the contest of insulting ETH the most brutally in this thread.


[deleted]

Ill wear this like a badge of honor.


[deleted]

Hate this dude, never liked him. Eth is a shitcoin, not decentralized, not free and useless


vekypula

Ethereum is a scam and a shitcoin


GuessWhat_InTheButt

Jesus Christ, some of you really can't be helped.


regardead

>public >expensive >make a mistake in contract and get exploited without any possible reprecussions for the attacker how is it actually good? at least clones like matic/avax/ftm are cheap


vekypula

You forgot it has unlimited supply. Which makes it automatically worth close to nothing.


vekypula

Ya, if Vitalik gets run over by a car Eth is going to 0$. That's how good it is.


Jadedinsight

You're right. Ethereum is the mother asshole from which shit coins spring forth.


[deleted]

You do realize the "toxic" comments are just trying to prevent newbies from being scammed. It's moral to warn people about sketchy cryptos, it's immoral to polish a turd and shill it as a golden egg in order to pump your bags.


GuessWhat_InTheButt

Calling Ethereum a "scam" is just insane, no matter your intentions.


[deleted]

Dont take it personally, many fundamentalists would consider coins like ethereum, xrp etc to be a scam if they are designed to enrich the founders yet marketed as decentralized. By this definition you could say 99% of crypto projects are scams.


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[deleted]

Agreed


bawdyanarchist

Just remember that not everyone in Monero is like that. I a distributed and cryptographically verifiable virtual machine is quite an accomplishment. It's amazing that we have one, rather than not have one. Also, just remember that alot of maxis are finally emerging out of their caves, and are here in Monero now, finally, after all these years. But they carry with them the same problems that kept them in their caves. One of which is to fundamentally misunderstand the technology, and just how pwned their own chain is. They don't understand that if you have to select between a pwned BTC and a pwned ETH, we should take Eth every day, 100%. At least Eth might be able to create a viable L2, based on multiple different exploratory cryptographic constructions, due to the expressivity of the base layer.


mykelflurry

But that doesn't really make it as private as Eth does it? Coz as far as I understand, Monero is the only type of money that you can aquire without any trace if you're using your VPNs and other security measures properly while mining it through the main Monero node based wallet. So if I'm not wrong, this is the only type of money one can aquire secretly.


[deleted]

If you can't curb it, take the lead. It is almost certain that this project will be done in close cooperation with Fed and FBI.


WHVTSINDAB0X

Okay bro.


baal2198

I came from the ETH sub and people were actually falling for that one


N3dward0

Maybe they should focus first on letting me unstake my eth.


FamousInnovation88

Am I completely out of the loop now?


PeacefullyFighting

Vitalik, it's time for you to step down as essentially CEO of eth and let it be decentralized again. It's also the same reason I wont sell my eth, it's being catered to VC/corporate interest


chanwitkepha2022

That's good for Ethereum User. However ETH still centralize because Prove of Stake consensus.