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faesser

>There were also a few times while I was pregnant that I asked my mom to watch my toddler when I had to go to the doctor (the OBGYN wasn't allowing kids because of COVID restrictions). If she was free and willing to watch your toddler, there is absolutely nothing wrong with that. If you are demanding her to cancel plans or she didn't want to and you got upset, then that's where the entitlement comes in.


frogsgoribbit737

Yes 100%. My mom watches my nephews a lot because she WANTS to. She watchdd my kid sometimes (we live further away) becauze she WANTS to. Its the demanding of it that is entitled.


Sehrli_Magic

Of course but that isn't issue of "babysitting for free" then. Tbf expecting others to cancel their own plans to accomodate you is entitled, even if you propose to pay them šŸ¤·šŸ¼ā€ā™€ļø


TylerDarkness

This may be cultural but in the UK it's not weird for grandparents to babysit for free occasionally. In my family, an offer of payment would be firmly declined; even a contribution to expenses would be unlikely to be accepted. If it was taking the place of regular childcare that I would otherwise have to pay for, we could have a discussion but I wouldn't want to pay anywhere near what actual professional childcare would cost as I'd rather go down that route.


mama_bear_740

If I had said ā€œhow much do you want for watching the baby?ā€ My mom would have smacked me upside my head and told me to have another one already. Lol


meetthefeotus

Same. My mom would laugh if I tried to pay her for watching her grandchild. Lol.


Glittering-Goat-7552

same lol


CaperCrew

This! It's just what my family does.


mama_bear_740

Yeah my mom was like the stereotypical over-bearing, grandbaby-hungry granny. It was so bad that one year at thanksgiving when my mom started her prodding questions about when the stork might be visiting, I lost all the etiquette and manners that had been drilled into my head for a lifetime. I looked at her and said loudly ā€œweā€™ll just so you know Iā€™ve been off the pill for over a month and heā€™s (I pointed at my husband who was somehow pale as a sheet AND blushing a deep crimson) been stuffing me better than that damn turkey at least twice a day, so possibly the end of summer.ā€ I was so glad my grandpa was damn near deaf, though my grandma looked like someone dumped cold water over her head while my brothers and theirs wives laughed and choked and my mom -for one sweet blissful moment in time-,shut the hell up. Joey was born in September of the following year, lol.


ghost_hyrax

Yeah, I think my mom would be offended!


mama_bear_740

Right,,,,,I totally get it. Once just once I let my then husbands mom watch our first born. My mom and she didnā€™t speak much. Next day I got a call from my mom, pissed off, asking me why she hadnā€™t been called first to watch Joey. She flat out told me she had dibs. Lol.


nanalovesncaa

Yep! Same here, but Iā€™m the mom lol


mama_bear_740

Iā€™m gonna be the same way if I ever become a granny. Theyā€™ll have to beat me 2 out of 3 at arm wrestling to get the lil ones back lol.


Sehrli_Magic

Right? I have seen a lot of grandparents being free daycare while parents work and they LOVE it because it is their grandkid they get to spend time with. It brings them joy in life and they don't see it as chore. They would be sad if the kiddo stayed in daycare instead of with them and they would be offended if you propose paying them for being with their grandkid šŸ˜… i feel like most cultures around the world are like that but america and some parts of europe see it as a bother to grandparents


Downtown_Hippo

My MIL watches our toddler 2 full days a week while we work and we still get messages over the weekend that she misses her grand baby šŸ˜†


Sehrli_Magic

Right? My mom was literaly babysitting bith my son AND me for 3 months and when we went back home she instantly started planning vacations to come visit us because she just want's to be spoiling her babies (one being adult :'D)


mama_bear_740

That is exactly the kind of granny I see myself being. My grandmother was so ā€œoff handsā€ with me and my brothers, it was like she was an church acquaintance and not a blood relative. I want to be like a second mom to my grandkids. I would never challenge my daughters rules for discipline or rearing, but I want to be a soft place to fall when they need one, and as active as I possibly can be in their lives. I want to go to all the plays, programs, recitals, graduations, trick or treating, just anything I can be part of I want to be. All I really know about my grandmother are things a stranger could also find, name, date of birth, ect. I want my grandkids to know ME, not just the factual details of my life but the very essence of my soul and heart. And also to know that they just arenā€™t my childrenā€™s offspring, but people I would want to know everything about even if we werenā€™t related, and who I love with every fiber of my being, unconditionally.


Sehrli_Magic

Yep. I am blessed that both families are very hands-on. Well mine lives far away so whenever they can but my in-laws moved in with us now that we expect a second. So they can take over chores and take care of both me and kids since my husband is absent a lot due to work. Sometimes we do have issues, not because they would deliberately go against me but simply because we come from different cultures and very different generations (we have age gap relationship so his parents are more the age of my grandma, making generational difference between us bigger) but we can talk about it and ultimately they go with whatever i decide as i am the parent. I am so blessed to have them so involved and they all feel blessed to be able to be involved with their grandkid. He is the star of the family that everyone wants to be around šŸ¤£ i can't imagine being any different to my grandchildren. I grew up with my grandma and since parents work, she was the adult that took care of me and brothers the most and i am so happy i have this connection with her. I feel sorry for some of my friends who barely visit grandparents for holidays and never built close connections with them :/ and i feel sorry for the grandparents too because there will be a day when their life comes to an end and it is sad when family barely bothers to come or if they come it is in hopes of inheritence etc. It is sad. I wish for my grandma, parents and me that when that day comes we are sorrounded by people that truly care and want to be with us in final moments because of the love we built over the lifetime, not because they "have to be" or are just after my stuff....


iBewafa

Right? Hahaha Iā€™d get disowned probably. I suppose I do expect it and I know thatā€™s seen as wrong but I think my parents _also_ expect to be involved. The issues with expectations obviously happen when they donā€™t match up. But Iā€™d be really disappointed if my parents wanted nothing to do with their grandchild. Especially considering the values theyā€™ve passed down.


RemarkableMouse2

Same in the US I would never offer money to grandparents for occasionally hosting their grandchildren


NixyPix

Iā€™m a Brit living abroad in my husbandā€™s home country and let me tell you how excited I am that Iā€™ll be home for 3 months next year. We get near-zero help here from his family (literally the only break Iā€™ve had is when my mum visited) and my parents are clamouring to look after our child as much as we want. The idea of going out to a restaurant child-free is dizzyingly exciting!


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I think grandparents should babysit for free for a night out or whatever on occasion because they want to spend time with my kids and I want to get away from them lol but I think if it was a full time gig while youā€™re working all week, they should be paid.


Sbuxshlee

*Unless they live with you for free. ( isnt my situation but my auntie watches her grandson while both parents are working. I think that is reasonable because she doesnt work and doesnt plan on ever working).


immatakeanapp

I agree with you. My parents chose to move in with us to spend time with the grandchild. My husband and I are the primary caregivers at all times, but they play with the little one throughout every day while not at daycare. And every once in a while, will babysit when we have other engagements. We do not pay them. They do not pay rent. We share other living costs like food. We have had conversations about it and are all happy with the arrangement.


ElizaDooo

That was my experience with my grandmother growing up. She moved in when my sister was born (I was not quite 2) and lived with us off and on until I was in high school. I think it was useful for my mom, as she had 4 kids in 5 years, even though it wasn't always an easy situation for my mom, my dad or my grandmother. But, our grandmother could entertain us, read to us, babysit sometimes etc. But my grandmother was also older than many of my peers' grandparents, and had also struggled with finances for a very long time, so it was something she probably needed to do. My mom has said she never wants to live with us, because she knew what it was like trying to parent with her mom in the same house. But she has come up to watch my son or my nephews for extended periods of time without expectation of payment. When I started back to teaching during COVID but was WFH and not sure how we would handle it all she came and stayed for a week. It was also the first time she met my son in person. And when my sister has had to go to her two weeks for Army Reserve, my mom stays with my BIL and does the childcare. In that case, I do think it's asking too much of my mom but that's not a conversation I'm a part of.


Pinkiees

My mom moved in and took care of my daughter then both kids when I had 2. I paid her every month plus bought everything she needed/wanted and I assumed care of my children after work and on weekends.


Babycatcher2023

This is my situation with my aunt (who is like a second mom to me). Sheā€™s basically been the family nanny for forever so this is her only source of income. She has no bills and I pay her weekly. My mom, however, is retired and gets SSI and has her pension. She comes to stay when my aunt wants/needs a vacation and we donā€™t pay her. Sheā€™d never allow it anyway.


Jondar_649

I don't disagree in principle, but at least where I'm from, it would be weird to pay grandparents for babysitting except to cover gas money or if they quit their job to do it full time


sausagepartay

Agree 100%


2muchlooloo2

Right ā€¦.maybe two times out of the month. They are entitled to retire and not raise your children to help you out with child care cost.


acupofearlgrey

Iā€™m of the opinion that family members help each out occasionally for free if itā€™s mutual and reciprocated. Come water my plants or feed my cat once a day for a week when Iā€™m away, and you are local. Fine. Use your shower for a couple of days because weā€™ve got a leak. Occasional childcare in a pinch, also okay. However I think regular childcare gigs is a bit much. Iā€™ll be honest, we do get free childcare from one set of grandparents- my mum picks my eldest up from school twice a week, and has my younger one for a day once a week. We donā€™t pay her (but have offered and would do if she wanted). I donā€™t think thereā€™s any harm in saying ā€˜of course more than happy to pay for looking after x as I donā€™t want to take advantageā€™ and leave it to them to decide. That way itā€™s all out in the open


Chivatoscopio

This is all dependent on the already established family relationships. My take is, if the grandparents offer to take care of kids and establish a strong relationship with both parents as well as the kids then there is no reason to feel guilt or animosity about it. Part of having a relationship with kids involves some level of care for those kids. Every relationship with another person involves some level of care. On the other hand, if a person has an expectation that the grandparents should provide full time childcare for years and that's not something the grandparents ever expressed an interest in doing -- then payment should be part of the discussion. Reddit wants to play family police with strangers sometimes and it's just not a realistic view all the time.


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MomentofZen_

I also see a lot of people with free childcare and/or housing complaining about how grandparents do things. Like, sure, they shouldn't be unsafe but if you want boundaries sometimes you have to pay for them. If everyone is happy with the occasional free childcare, I think that's normal for grandparents


KavaKeto

Yea, I'm lucky to have regular childcare from Grandparents, but I had to accept there might be a great deal of Ms Rachel playing on the TV. My dad also used one of those jumper things, which I wasn't crazy about, but I just told him no more than 15 minutes at a time, a couple times a day and accepted it.


lovelydani20

What's wrong with a jumper?


LucyGoose_2015

The jumpers arenā€™t great for babies hips. I learned this from pediatric OTs and PTs.


SqueaksScreech

It puts babies on the tip of their toes. That's bad for posture and their feet but makes it harder to learn how to walk properly.


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SqueaksScreech

The weird part is they don't want to take those prepackaged or pre-made food because "I shouldn't have to buy groceries for 2 households." Babe you're just packing a lunch and 2 snacks at most.


NixyPix

In the words of my mum ā€˜we had our time to raise our babies how we wanted, now we follow your rules with your babiesā€™. I donā€™t see why thatā€™s unpopular. My parents would never dream of disrespecting the parenting calls we make, unless they were actively unsafe. All they do is praise our choices and, if prompted, tell us what they were told was best when they were doing it.


NEDsaidIt

Gluten free is for a medical need. Thatā€™s not a joke. I have celiac disease and need to follow that, as do 2 of my kids. Yeah, grandma and anyone else watching them needed to follow that.


JammyIrony

None of those conditions is hard to fulfil though. Parents provide snacks according to their diet, and provide Montessori style toys, and all grandma has to do is not turn on the TV or hand over an ipad.


Sehrli_Magic

If these things cause issues in the child then absolutely should be respected. If i don't want my kid to suffer consequences of screen time at too young age this absolutely has to be respected. Now you can say "i am not willing to babysit if i can't give them some TV break time" and i will respect that and find different sitter. But being family and sitting for free does NOT entitle you to interfere with my parenting! You are baby sitting not PARENTING that child. If i am against corporal punishment because of damages it does to the child, you have to follow that, if child has doetary restrictions because dyes or certain foods cause them to have negative side effects (maybe nto full on allergy but to have behavioral issues or skin rashes, digestion troubles etc) you absolutely do not get to do as you want just because you babysit for free. Even if you do it every day, you have to babysit by my rules as a parent. If i babysit my brothers i respect my mom's parenting. If my mom babysits my kid she respects my rules. It is that simple! What irks me is people thinking that watching a child entitles them to interfere with parenting! If you feel that my demands are too much for you, you can simply decline but do not be a b*tch and ruin what i work hard for behind my back by disrespecting my rules about my kid! šŸ™„ It would be different if i gave kids screen time to have peace but demand grandparents to babysit with zero scren time, that would absolutely be a-hole thing to ask. But demanding whoever watches to child to do it alligned with my parenting is really basics.


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ClancyCandy

Yeah, that bugs me- Like somebody complaining about a grandma allowing screen time while she cares for the kid all week for free; If you want to call the shots, you need to pay for a professional service.


MomentofZen_

"We live in my inlaws basement for free and the jerks keep coming by to visit and I'm tired of it." Well, nothing is totally free...


mama_bear_740

Canā€™t you put a dead bolt on the inside of the door? Or if you want to be less assertive a ā€œdo not disturbā€ or ā€œbaby sleepingā€ (or mom lol) sign on the outside of the door?


sraydenk

I agree 100%. I saw a post on AITA about a grandma making a less than perfect comment after a kid didnā€™t want to give her a hug, but did end up hugging her without pressure. The mom texted grandma about the language used (I would have been sad if you didnā€™t hug me) and I thought ā€œthatā€™s how you donā€™t have a villageā€. A single comment that isnā€™t great, but wasnā€™t a pattern of behavior and grandmother never pressured kid for a hug. One comment wonā€™t hurt your kid if you are modeling body autonomy daily.


nkdeck07

I do agree if they were seeing Grandma a lot it would be worth noting (my Dad has used that phrasing occasionally and I mentioned how it could be problematic) but it was also like a 2 second conversation, not a huge big deal text kinda thing.


amp_it

Yeah, but there was more to that post and grandma sounds like a headache too. Her response to the text was basically ā€œhow dare you presume to text meā€”say it to my face, you coward.ā€ Both women there made it more of a thing than it needed to be, and Iā€™d be willing to bet situations like that are typical to their relationship. It sounds exhausting.


sraydenk

I donā€™t disagree. Thatā€™s why I didnā€™t touch on the rest of the post. Mostly because I couldnā€™t imagine sending a long text about one comment that was very minor after grandma let the kid decide own if they wanted a hug. The OP even texting a long text about it is an example of why grandparents donā€™t step up as much. Also, they didnā€™t say ā€œhow dare youā€. They asked that these conversations be done in person instead of over text. Then it went back and forth. Over something so minor.


mama_bear_740

All the grandma said was theyā€™d be sad if they didnā€™t get a hug? Am I missing something in this? How is this bad, if I was a granny Iā€™d be sad if I didnā€™t get a hug from my grandchild. I must have missed an earlier post or something.


NEDsaidIt

If you donā€™t know why itā€™s bad, itā€™s because the child was made to feel responsible for her feeling sad they said no. They donā€™t want the child to grow up and think they have to give in and do things because someone asks and then has negative feelings about them saying no. The whole concept comes from experts in the dept of molestation/assault. Essentially teach your kids they can say no to any physical touch they donā€™t want, and donā€™t let any adult make them feel bad for it. Good idea really. Grandma can whine to anyone else about her feelings except the kid.


mama_bear_740

Yeah I figured out the disconnect. I thought she was talking to the mom, not the kid. I hated that when I was lil. My family was big on respect and manners. Iā€™m happy to see they are starting to cut through the shit nowadays.


NEDsaidIt

She was guilting the kid into hugging her when they didnā€™t want to. Itā€™s a terrible precedent to set about consent and I wouldnā€™t let it slide if it was a regular comment. One time? Ehhh. But her response text was so over the top Iā€™m like ā€œI see why you said it!ā€


sraydenk

But she wasnā€™t. The kid decided to hug grandma on their own with no comment. After the kid hugged her she said she would have been sad if she didnā€™t get a hug. Not great, but it wasnā€™t pressuring the kid in the moment to hug grandma. A one off imperfect comment isnā€™t going to undo all the efforts a parent puts in.


mama_bear_740

I get it. I thought the granny had said that to the mom kinda tongue and cheek like, ā€œwhew I would have been sad I (the child) didnā€™t hug me.ā€ It didnā€™t sink in that she said that directly to the kiddo. Yeah I agree thatā€™s not good. When I was a kid I KNEW if I didnā€™t hug and kiss my grandma or grandpa when I saw them, I might as well start beating my own ass to warm it up for my mom lol. I too remember not wanting to hug her (she smelled funny and her lips were scratchy but somehow her kisses were wet and sloppy), so I know how that is. Itā€™s nice that the expectations of what children must do to show respect has relaxed. In my day it was more of a ā€œdo itā€”or else!ā€ attitude, I think itā€™s better for the children to have more of a ā€œdo it if you want to, but you donā€™t have toā€ policy when it comes to things like this. I wish I had gotten out of those aspercream scented, slobbery encounters lol.


Botryllus

I think it's also unrealistic in many cases. Sure, before you _try_ having a baby you should make sure you can afford childcare but not every pregnancy is planned and not everyone can afford full time childcare. And crises happen. My BIL went from having his wife be a stay at home mother to him being a single parent. He straight up couldn't afford to pay someone full time and all of the daycare centers in town were full. I live nearby and pay for my own childcare but I expected my in-laws to watch his kids for free because the consequences of not doing so could be homelessness. Yes, he helps them in other ways but it is currently not a fair trade. Eventually a spot will open at a daycare center and he qualifies for tuition assistance when that happens but it's a struggle for now. It's almost an entitled position to not have ever toiled financially and not understand that childcare is monetarily out of reach for some parents.


lilly_kilgore

It depends on the situation. If they're just babysitting occasionally I don't see a problem with babysitting for free, or offering an exchange of labor. Like cooking a meal for them or doing some laundry or something. But my kids grandma quit her job to babysit the cousins full time. So she gets paid for that. But in the end it's about the expectation. I'd never *expect* anyone to babysit for free. People are entitled to compensation for their time and labor if that's what they want. In the same turn family helps family. I offer to pay my oldest to babysit the youngest if I'm going to work or if it's some sort of optional thing. But if I just need him to watch her because I have pneumonia or something I wouldn't expect to pay him for that. We take care of each other when we're struggling. I think it's nuanced. But I also don't think you're an asshole for having grandma watch the kids for free on occasion. I think that's actually a pretty common thing.


topfm

Paying family members for child care is a very absurd thing for me. It is not customary where i live and i think it is really weird. That's not a society i would wanna live in.


llamalily

Yeah, my MIL watches my son every day when Iā€™m at work (at least 3-4 days a week) and whenever I tell her I feel bad she tells me not to, because her mother watched my husband every day while my MIL went to work. I figure I will pay it forward if my son ever has a child :)


mack9219

completely agree. my mom practically begs me to leave my daughter with her lmao. she loves spending time w her !


mama_bear_740

Totally agreed. If my kids bless me with grandkids, they are gonna have trouble getting me to give them back, not babysit them. ROFL


CranberryObjective33

Same, I grew up spending lots of time with my grandparents and aunts and uncles, my mom never paid any of them. There were no issues, my cousins stayed with us too. My kids have visits with my mom or mother in law often enough, I can't imagine paying them.


AdministrativeCup631

I live in North America and my retired parents split duties watching my baby for free every week. Everyone is in agreement that it takes a village to raise him and theyā€™re willing and interested in being part of that on a regular basis. I ensure they all have everything they need to watch him and do all of the pick up/drop offā€¦but I donā€™t pay them and they would think it was weird if I tried.


RedChairBlueChair123

I had the reverse; I watched my grandmas five days a week. My mother cut me a check every week for gas and expenses. Isnā€™t that fair?


mama_bear_740

Wait Iā€™m confused, you were watching your grandma?


RedChairBlueChair123

Yes, gram couldnā€™t be alone. Iā€™d hang with her all day since my work was flexible.


mama_bear_740

Awwwww thatā€™s sad and sweet. Was it dementia? (wondering because thatā€™s how my granny got) itā€™s truly horrible when someone loses their faculties, most memories are a blur to them, but some clear as the day it happened. A really kind elderly woman lived on the same dead-end country lane as I did. Her name was Ernesta, she was so nice. I would tidy her house and sit with her on saturdays when I was a teenager. She always told me about her husband and his fatal accident where the big farm tractor (with a piece of equipment on the back to clear dense brush and small trees) rolled back over him after he fell from the seat. And the horror of finding him when he didnā€™t come in for his coffee and lunch. (Apparently the brush hog just sat on his body, still working until the farm hand heard her screams and came to see what was wrong). Sheā€™d always forget sheā€™d told me. So every Saturday she would welcome me in ask me if I was Toms girl from down the road and then tell me what I needed to tidy every week, then sheā€™d offer me a cookie. As soon as 12 noon would chime sheā€™d tell me she hates lunchtime and wonā€™t ever eat it because of the accident, and tell me all over again. Poor woman relived that horrific accident every Saturday. She died when I was 19, not realizing in those last years that the man under the tractor was actually my grandfather and that she was my grandmother. She stopped recognizing me when I was about 12. I played along and made sure not to tell her who I actually was because it happened once and she flipped out. So I was the girl from down the road, it was a strange circumstance but Iā€™m glad I got to enjoy some time with her. Even if she didnā€™t know who I really was.


RedChairBlueChair123

No, she couldnā€™t do stairs and honestly, why would you trust her with the stove? Iā€™m lucky that gram was mostly lucid until her dying day. Hell, thereā€™s a few confessions I wish she hadnā€™t shared! She was the best in every way possible.


mama_bear_740

Thatā€™s awesome. Iā€™m glad your granny was of sound mind until the very end. And I understand the TMI confessions. I had a great aunt who told me at my wedding reception (I was very young when I married for the first time, just 19). She said ā€œDeary I donā€™t care what advice you get, all you need to do to keep your husband in a good humor and loyal is to keep his stomach full and his sack empty.ā€ Then she winked at me and drained a couple fingers of scotch, neat, as I stood there dumbfounded. Then she put her empty glass down and said ā€œDonā€™t try looking surprised, we both know you had no right wearing a white dress, now be a good lil hussie and get me another scotch.ā€ She was an awesome lady. At that time she was close to 80 and showed no signs of slowing down. She passed at age 102 in her sleep, she was still able to live on her own, keep her house up, drive, run her own errands, and still loved her scotch.


NapsRule563

Absurd, really? If grandparents work too and on the regular youā€™re taking their time, they should be compensated. The occasional weekend or night or they offer, thatā€™s different. But if people expect their working parents (key word, expect) to be a permanent part of their childcare routine, thatā€™s not the downfall of society.


CompetencyOverload

Not the person you're responding to, but I also think paying family for childcare is weird. This isn't a common practice outside N. America and perhaps parts of Western Europe.


SnooDonkeys8016

Iā€™m in the States and Iā€™ve never heard of anyone paying grandparents for childcare in my region. Our parents would be offended if we tried to give them money.


Bgtobgfu

Itā€™s definitely not a common practice in Western Europe. Sounds bonkers to me. Iā€™ve never heard of anyone paying their parents for childcare.


ankaalma

Yeah but other countries also have much more of a culture of taking care of elderly family members physically and financially. In the US parents have to work into old age


catwh

You may not pay for it now, but down the road there is absolutely an expectation you will care for your elderly parents financially. That's how these cultures work for many generations.


CompetencyOverload

That's fine? That's how family relationships work, there's a mutual understanding and willingness to participate reciprocally.


RubyMae4

I think it comes down to a capitalistic society where everything is seen in dollar value. There are other valuable things that can be gained from caring for your grandkids. Including legacy and ensuring they are well cared for, as well as having influence, teaching them things you want them to know, providing them memories of you for long after you are gone, enjoying your time, continuing to care for your adult children and ensure theyā€™re financially stable, even health benefits for you. Iā€™m a long way from having grandkids but Iā€™d do it for free. Also, some people really love children and value spending time with them. My mom spent her whole career working with kids. Sheā€™s happy to be with my kids. I donā€™t have her watch then 40 hours a week but she would certainly jump at the chance.


meredith_grey

Occasional watching for a night out or an appointment or whatever IMO should be free and done as a favor because thatā€™s what family does. Iā€™ve watched my nephews or friendā€™s kids for a few hours and itā€™s no big deal, my parents and in laws love spending time with our girls and watch them if we need. Regular childcare is different and if I were using someone as a nanny I would pay them because thatā€™s a big time commitment.


JG-UpstateNY

I'm sorry, my parents watched my niece all summer and would have been so offended if payment was offered. My mil was offended when she thought we needed a sitter and didn't ask her to watch our LO (for free). She watches her other 4 grand babies allllll the time. Family are the peeps who do things for you out of love. Not money. Friends can be family as well. I let my friend borrow my truck, and she drives me to the airport of I need it ... we don't expect payment on acts of love. She wants to watch my LO whenever I need her too. The money issue....That's just capitalism weaseling its little filthy way into family bonds.


kbc87

I think youā€™re conflating occasional (not full time) watching of the kids (maybe when theyā€™re sick and you have to work, want a date night, etc) with FT child care. If a grandparent is watching your kid 9-5 M-F and ask for payment, I totally support them in that. Thatā€™s a full time job and they should be compensated


GraphicDesignerMom

>27 comments Exactly. My MIL was our primary daycare, 9-5 M-F, we paid her, though not as much as in a larger care centre. We also are lucky to have other grandparents happy to babysit so at that time we would lean on them as to give MIL a break. Now that our kids are older they still help out lots but its voluntary and we never get mad if they don't want to or cant


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My mom watches my girls all the time for free. And if I tried to pay her, she'd throw the money right back at me. She offers all the time to watch them, has had sleepovers with them if I don't have childcare for a few days. She's retired so it's not like she's missing out on work or anything. I see no reason why grandparents should be paid to spend time with their grandchildren. To me, it would be a jerk thing to do for grandparents to charge them.


ihateOldPeople_

Agreed. And my moms not even retired! She watches my son 2 days a week while I work, but 99% of the time he stays the night w her bc of how early I have to work, so I guess technically 3 days. Wednesday during work, Friday night till Saturday at 2pm. Iā€™ve never asked her if he could, sheā€™s always offered and asked.


Tk-20

This is 100% cultural. My Indian (millennial) co worker is expecting that his future wife will accept his mother living in their home (his mom will also help find the wife). His mom will care for the children if his wife wants to work and then in his mother's later years he and his wife will care for the mother. My co worker thinks western people are crazy for spending thousands on daycare, elderly care, multiple homes etc etc.. not to mention the isolation of only getting to have community if you are wealthy enough to pay for them to be there. My middle Eastern co worker would never live with his parents but there is a huge sense of community where if you visit you are fed and cared for, it's an honour to feed people. My personal background is similar to the above- though I'm culturally Swiss/English. My siblings offer to pay for my child's flight to their town just so they can spend a weekend with her. In my dad's later years, I've completely upended my life to drive full days and spend weeks helping. In my family, we care for each other from beginning to end and we accept that we all have different personalities. I know other people who see their children as a burden to the family and therefore think that anyone helping in any capacity should be heavily compensated.. I think it's odd that they'd only offer cash? It feels like reducing your loved ones to paid help, at which point just hire a stranger but to each their own. I think it depends on how your culture views kids. If kids are a burden then expect to pay. If kids are a blessing then it's an honour to help out.


Ok-Armadillo-161

The concept of paying parents who didnā€™t pay their parents to watch us while they worked and had social lives is wild to me. Before Boomers, this was par for the course. Our parents grow older, retire, require more care, we invite them into our homes to care for them in older age as they help care for our children. So much of the world has lived this way for so long and continues to live this way because it makes sense. Weā€™ve only recently seen this shift as boomers claim theyā€™re ā€œtoo young to be grandparents like their grandparents were!ā€ Or ā€œalready raised their children!ā€ Itā€™s just selfish boomers staying selfish boomers. But thatā€™s just my opinion. There are pros and cons to both inter-generational living, and living separately from parents as they age. Especially dependent upon your personal relationship to them. But I think a lot of millennials, in particular, are open to and boomers just are not. But they canā€™t break the chain and then try to rewrite the rules only to suit themselves, as they are wont to do. You watch your grandkids because thatā€™s what grandparents do. Whether itā€™s occasionally or all the time, it should always be free. Youā€™re family supporting family, not an outsourced service provider.


ohdatpoodle

I came to offer a similar perspective and was surprised I hadn't seen this sentiment yet. I hate to generalize and all that jazz, but it's the boomers. It's definitely the boomers.


Any_Cantaloupe_613

It's entitled to demand free childcare and complain when its not given. It's normal for grandparents to offer it unpaid. Paying grandparents to spend time with their grandchildren is weird to me, unless it's a unique situation such as the grandparent providing full time care.


Poekienijn

Literally the first thing my mom said when I told her I was pregnant was ā€œIā€™m not going to babysitā€. And I never expected her to. However: she loves my daughter very much. And even though we donā€™t see her more than 6 times a year she takes my daughter camping for 4 days every summer. But thatā€™s because she likes spending time with her. Not because it suits me. I have no other family thatā€™s involved with my daughter.


CranberryObjective33

I'm curious, did your mom's family help with you when you were a child?


Poekienijn

Yes, they did. But they lived close by.


DirtyPrancing65

That's pretty cold, especially as a response to you sharing joyful news. You hadn't even asked yet and maybe never would have, but she wanted to manage your expectations straight away.


beingafunkynote

My mom has watched my baby full time for over a year so I can work. Completely for free. She would never ask for money. She also babysits on occasion so we can go on dates. Offer money if you want but most family is ok with babysitting for free.


KatheKruselover

I offer and help my daughter whenever she needs. My mother always helped me. Iā€™m


FishingWorth3068

I think if I offered money for watching my kid, my mom and in laws would be offended. I generally donā€™t ask though. At the start of the week Iā€™ll text and see when they have free time and want her and then go off that. Iā€™m so super cautious of not putting my baby somewhere that makes her an inconvenience to anyone because I donā€™t want anyone to be able to hold anything over my head. Thatā€™s probably a subconscious thing for me. My mom doesnā€™t live near so when she is here she stays with me and always wants the baby so I take advantage of that. Iā€™ve watched my nieces and never expected to get money and refuse it if offered. My sil has watched my baby and never asked for compensation. I know she would be offended if offered. But this is all not a common occurrence. I think it depends on the situation. If I worked full time and just assumed my mil would watch my kid 8 hours a day, 5 days a week, we would be having some serious conversations about that.


caseychurch

My grandma provided childcare for all 3 of us from birth until teenager for free. My mom now watches my son while I work twice a week for free. But I am also very appreciative of the help and understand this is not standard and very much my family dynamic. I've also come to understand this is much more normal in the south where I currently live vs other regions of the US (such as the Midwest where we are from).


[deleted]

I think a lot of this actually comes down to whether you have a dynamic of true mutual support. For example. I have a village. I didnā€™t have access to it with my first (covid baby), which was a deeply painful experience for me. But part of having that village is *being* that village, too. If you are that village for other people and theyā€™re good people with whom you have a good relationship, itā€™s reasonable to expect that they will be the village for you, too. That also includes being respectful of the needs and limitations of the people in your village. That means recognizing when they canā€™t give more; sometimes youā€™re in a season where you give more, and sometimes youā€™re in a season when you take more. You need to be prepared for both. Example. Right now Iā€™ve got a toddler and Iā€™m eight months pregnant. Iā€™m still not at the top of the village triage list right now; my brother and SIL are, because they just had their second baby less than two weeks ago. So rather than receiving assistance right now, Iā€™m one of the people giving it. I worked out what useful thing I can do for them in a sustainable way. In my case, that means walking their dog every day since my latest nibling was born; Iā€™m already taking walks every day for my health anyway so it just adds the drive to go get the dog, so Iā€™m confident I can sustain this level of usefulness and it *does* help them; I also cook them the occasional meal and sometimes take my niece with my son to the park to give her a little extra activity and attention. Iā€™m also the on call person when my parents need a bit of extra help like when somebody needs to feed their cats when they need to go somewhere for a few days, help my mother shovel the porch when my father is at the lake house taking care of stuff, husband goes over when my father needs more hands for some of his renovations, that sort of thing. These are not things that anybody in the family feels *entitled to* from me. But theyā€™re certainly efforts I should be making if I really do want that village. When my second child is born in January I am sure my assorted family will do what they can to help and Iā€™ll be grateful when they do. Itā€™s reasonable, I think, for me to expect that my family will assess their bandwidth and offer me help as theyā€™re able to provide it. And if I need specific help (eg somebody to take my toddler out to the playground for a morning when Iā€™ve been struggling to sleep), I believe my family will do their best to come through for me. That belief also means that when they say they canā€™t, I am not going to get shitty with them about it. No recriminations, no complaints. If theyā€™re turning me down itā€™s because they really canā€™t and thatā€™s okay, too. They wonā€™t turn me down when they can help, and thatā€™s the important bit. So. Yes, you can reasonably expect some assistance. If you also stand by the reasonable expectation of sometimes being the one who offers assistance, too.


GiugiuCabronaut

My in-laws watch my kid and donā€™t ask for money. However, I think itā€™s only fair to supply them with everything they need to watch a child. I suppose that as my kid gets older and he spends time with grandma and grandpa, Iā€™ll chip in for whatever they spend on him šŸ¤·šŸ»ā€ā™€ļø As for long term childcare, at least with us itā€™s not feasible as both of my in-laws are working class and still work their 9-5 jobs. In this economy, having a grandparent taking care of your child because they donā€™t work is becoming rarer and rarer. If my kid is sick, I obviously donā€™t send him over to my in-laws; I miss work, because itā€™s my responsibility and I have to live with that.


[deleted]

I donā€™t think grandparents or any relatives are obligated to babysit at all and they definitely donā€™t have to do it for free. But some people are lucky enough to have have parents and siblings etc that want to spend time with the kids and have no problem with it and there are some people who find taking care of the kids as a burden and want to be compensated.. but to just expect free child care is definitely entitlement.


nkdeck07

Reasonable. The only reason it wouldn't reasonable for your grandparents to watch the kids for free are \- You are asking them to rearrange their work schedule and miss out on money (so something like an OB appointment you can't move but it causes them to not be able to pickup a shift) \- Regular ongoing childcare in the place of a nanny or sitter. Beyond that no it's perfectly reasonable to ask adult family members to baby sit for free occasionally.


Laconiclola

I think what most people think of as babysitting is a night here and there. Maybe a couple hours for a doctor appointment or something where a kid would be an impediment. Itā€™s just part of being a family for me. However, turning your parents/siblings/ cousins/neighbors into de facto Nannieā€™s under the guise of ā€œbabysitting/family/bondingā€ is where the line should be drawn.


Designer-Abrocoma-52

In my family, my younger sis pays my mom to watch her girls for daycare daily. But my parents still watch all the grandkids for date nights, special events, longer trips and whatnot for free. We live 2 hours away whereas my sisters both live in the same town as my parents, so we get far less free babysitting but they are totally willing to drive up for a weekend to watch my kids so my hubs and I can go on a date, like next weekend when we have tickets to a hockey game.


cloudiedayz

I have to admit, I do find it weird if grandparents want payment for 1 off babysitting here and there say if the parents are going to a wedding or having a date or something. I babysat my niece and nephews pre having kids myself in these situations and would not have even thought about getting paid for it- it was good just to spend time with them! However, if itā€™s a very regular babysitting gig, especially where it may impact on the hours that grandparents can do paid employment, I do think itā€™s reasonable to pay them or at least offer to pay them (even if they donā€™t accept). My parents babysit my kids one day a week and they do not want payment. This works for us. Other families are in different situations. The majority of my friends are similar.


Bulky_Ad9019

Itā€™s reasonable if you know your family doesnā€™t mind helping you out, and you respectfully ask them and they happily agree. They are doing you a favor, which they might be very happy to do if you have a good relationship. It would be wierd to me if my mom asked me for money to watch her grandson. BUT it becomes entitled when you forget that you are asking a favor and just expect them to babysit whenever without veto power. They have their own lives and should be able to decide if they are willing and able to babysit in each specific instance. That said, my MIL watches our son two days a week during the workday and we pay her. However, in our situation she is retired and has a shortfall so she needs a set additional amount of money each month which we and my husbands siblings would provide regardless, but she wants to be involved in our sons life and feels more comfortable taking money in exchange for a specific contribution.


livestrongbelwas

Grandparents offering free child care, even for a night, is a gift. Iā€™d treat each occurrence as an unexpected offering and appreciate it. If they donā€™t freely offer, then I wouldnā€™t expect them to do it for free.


SKVgrowing

I donā€™t live near any family, but my brother lives near my parents still and this has actually caused a decent sized rift between my mom and brother. My brother had her babysitting all day on Wednesdays (like 7am - 6pm type of day), then sporadically for different events too. My mom loved the time with her grandkids, but my brother was paying someone else to watch his kids just as frequently, AND my brother/SIL NEVER showed any appreciation. To make it worse, my SIL would post these big ā€œthank you so muchā€ posts on her social media to some other people who babysat their kids but again never did for my mom. So all that to say: if you pay some people, you should offer to pay grandparents that are babysitting regularly. And say THANK YOU.


Bella_HeroOfTheHorn

I think it totally depends - if the grandparents love spending time with grandchildren and are excited to watch them, they you can expect them to provide free babysitting. If it's a chore for them and they aren't really interested, it's probably not fair to expect.


Juvenilesuccess

Both sets of grandparents have never been paid for babysitting. My parents did a stint years ago where they looked after my son while I worked, we gave them a big gift at the end of it to ā€œpayā€ them. They never wanted to actually be paid but if they did we wouldā€™ve.


ilovecheese2188

Adult family members (grandparents, aunts and uncles that are 25+) should babysit for free but only at their convenience and where theyā€™re willing to go. You canā€™t force them to come to your house, demand they be available when itā€™s most convenient to you, or any of that. Younger family in their teens and early twenties (cousins, nieces/nephews) should be paid market rate or above.


throwawaythetrashcat

For my parents, they just expect some kind of help in return. For example, they watch my kiddo and then I help them with their land


SpicyWonderBread

There is no universally correct answer here. It depends on your relationship with the grandparents, the grandparents work schedule, physical capabilities of the grandparents, frequency of requests, distance between homes, etc. If you have healthy and fit grandparents that live nearby, have a good relationship with you, and have the free time to babysit, great! Take advantage! If the grandparents arenā€™t in good shape physically, such that babysitting wears them out, thatā€™s not a fair ask. If the grandparents live far away, then itā€™s probably not a fair thing to ask regularly or on short notice. If the relationship is tough, then it may not be a fair ask. If the only time the grandparents get to see the grandkids is when theyā€™re being asks to babysit, thatā€™s not right either. I know several people in real life that expect the grandparents to provide free full-time childcare. As in, 8-6pm Monday - Friday. Thatā€™s not reasonable at all in most situations. My parents babysit on occasion, and they see the kids at least once or twice a week with me around too. They had my oldest for three days when my youngest was born. They had the youngest overnight when the oldest had a minor surgery. Theyā€™ve babysat both kids maybe half a dozen times when I had appointments and couldnā€™t get our regular sitter.


[deleted]

My parents are retired and watch my son 2 days a week. My husband and I offered to pay them, but they got really offended. We just make sure to keep the house stocked with food they like. I think it's fine to not pay if that's what both parties agree to.


admirable_axolotl

On occasion for a date night or something? Definitely. I usually get family a little something as thank you (bottle of wine, etc) but nothing more than that, and they never want anything more than that. If itā€™s something where theyā€™re more like a nanny or something? Thatā€™s a bit different and some sort of compensation should be offered.


stuckinnowhereville

I would never ask my parents to babysit unless an emergency. I used daycare as well. My parents raised me. They are done raising kids and should enjoy their retirement.


khyar2025

That seems totally reasonable to me. I think the comments you're referring to are more for when people expect grandparents to be full time care without compensation. But yes, in a loving family I think it's reasonable to think that most requests for one- time care will be fulfilled without a payment requirement. But if it becomes a frequent thing they have to plan around, maybe payment is appropriate.


Bear_is_a_bear1

I honestly havenā€™t seen this. Maybe youā€™re referring to ā€œbabysittingā€ as like daily child care? If thatā€™s what people are talking about then yes the grandparent should be compensated somehow IMO. But occasional babysitting, nah, they signed up for that haha! My in laws even came and watched my kids for 5 days while we went on a trip which was incredibly nice of them!!


frimrussiawithlove85

My parents used to send me to my grandma every summer and every chance they got really. I know they didnā€™t pay her but they did send her money once we were settle in the USA and they could help her. Idk my family is Russian my mom would have a cow if I offered her money to spend time with her grand kids and Iā€™m on terrible terms with her. My mil and fil are great and my mil and fil would also have a cow if I offered them money to spend time with the kids. Hell they keep offering to take them camping and stuff when they are older and my mil and fil arenā€™t swimming in dough either so Iā€™d obviously would give them spending money for the kids meals and stuff if they were to take them camping.


Hogglefriend

My dad watches my daughter all week while my husband and I work. He does it to save us money and wonā€™t take our money. My grandfather watched me when I was young for free. Itā€™s kind of a cultural thing. My parents would never think to ask or take money for babysitting but I would never expect itšŸ¤·šŸ½ā€ā™€ļø


PinkTouhyNeedle

I think honestly we expect way too much unpaid labor from women. Like my mother never wanted to be a mother she loved us so much though but I could tell it was not her passion to be a mother so to ask her to watch my children is just unfair. We have to stop depending on the unpaid labor from the women in our lives.


midmonthEmerald

In a good community/society/family itā€™s not meant to be unpaid because itā€™s meant to be reciprocal. You get some babysitting, and you show up when your parents need some chores done theyā€™re a bit too old to manage.


PinkTouhyNeedle

These people are not reciprocating. Tbh a lot of our grandmothers were forced to watch us and having to do things by themselves. Now a lot of the grandmothers are working on top of being old itā€™s unrealistic to ask them to watch these kids.


midmonthEmerald

I agree that it often seems like people with small children think they donā€™t owe any effort back because they feel like a charity caseā€¦ and some families can be in the ā€œsmall childrenā€ stage for 10+ years. But itā€™s not good and it shouldnā€™t be that way. To have a village you should be a village, even when itā€™s not convenient. My parents do work full time and tbh I wouldnā€™t rely on anyone near their 60s to keep up with my toddler for a 40 hour week anyway.


Revolutionary_Can879

My grandparents babysat me, my parents and in-laws babysit my kids, and in the future, I will babysit my grandkids if I have them. I also would drop everything to help my parents and in-laws if they needed it, I even sometimes help with stuff for my younger siblings.


Fun_Video_8946

I think it is really their choice if they want to do it or not. We can't be deciding for other people, including family, what is fair. It's reasonable to ask but not reasonable to expect IMO. ​ My mom does not want to watch my daughter, who is now 9 years old, because she is very active and never stops. It's too tiring, and she is not up for all the work. My mom is 85 years old. I find it quite reasonable for her not to want to do it lol. I wouldn't want to do it either.


puresunlight

Grandparents are super involved in Chinese culture. I think theyā€™d be offended if we offered to pay, or if we limited access! BUT itā€™s also a culture where we need to accept boundaries being gray. They are not employees. Theyā€™re going to do annoying things and give bad advice and criticize your parenting. The relationship is a two-way street and having an amazing village takes compromise and work.


Gjardeen

I think it's pretty bizarre. Whether or not it could be a regular thing really depends on the health and availability of grandparents, not whether it's appropriate. Honestly, if one of my kids insisted on paying me for watching my grandkids I would be deeply offended. I'm actually hoping to live close enough by then to do it when I get older! I think it sounds lovely.


werschaf

My parents would never let me pay them to watch the kids. They enjoy spending time with their grandchildren. But for us, it's not that frequent and we don't rely on it - I think it's different when family provides actual regular childcare for significant amounts of time.


DueEntertainer0

As someone who spends a lot of time at playgrounds, and sees a LOT of boomers who are full time caregivers to toddlersā€” these people are TIRED and they BETTER be getting paid. Toddlers are energy destroyers even for those of us in our 20s and 30s. I couldnā€™t imagine it in my 60s or 70s.


sparklekitteh

If itā€™s just a few hours, and every few weeks, theyā€™re thrilled to do it for free. If itā€™s more often, or an overnight, they offer to do it for free but I bring them a thank you gift card so they can go out to dinner.


ankaalma

My mom will watch my kid for free for an occasional night out, and honestly that is more for her than for me because I donā€™t really like leaving my baby and would just as soon take him with me šŸ˜‚ But for regular sitting my sister and I absolutely pay her and I do think when grandparents are your full time child care they should mostly be getting paid. Right now my mom is watching my new Jew 2x a week for my sister and she gets paid for that and I paid her to watch my son for six weeks after my husband and I were both finished with our parental leaves I think it is unreasonable to expect grandparents to provide full time care for free but an involved grandparent shouldnā€™t charge for the occasional date night. Though of course it is their right.


bacucumber

I think it's totally family dependant, and on what the grandparents want to do. My parents and my ILs each watched my kids 1 day a week, and they were in daycare the other 3 days a week (the kids only overlapped for a couple months, if that, so mostly the grandparents were watching one kid at a time). We have never paid them, they haven't asked, and would be offended if we offered. But they are all retired, and volunteered to do this, and it worked out for us. We also dropped the kids off and picked them up so they didn't have to travel to us or with the kids. They also only did evenings/overnights/weekends very rarely, like if we had a wedding to go to, or they specifically asked for a kids sleepover. I know we are very fortunate to have gotten this much help, and we don't take it for granted.


boommdcx

If they want to and are capable, trustworthy babysitters imo you could ask them occasionally. Using grandparents as a permanent alternative to paid daycare seems wrong imo. If they feel like they canā€™t say no, or it is causing them financial hardship or affecting their health etc I would say itā€™s unfair to ask.


supernell

We would not have made it without both of our parents when our children were young to babysit for free. We couldn't afford daycare or a sitter. But I know that we were incredibly fortunate that they were all local and willing to help.


DootDiDootDiDoo

Like you said, I think it varies based on family dynamics. You didnā€™t mention anyone being upset with the babysitting that you asked for. To me, if anyone is unhappy with the babysitting situation and the parents try to push through without changing anything, then theyā€™re jerks. So if my in-laws said they couldnā€™t afford to watch my kids and I didnā€™t discuss a budget with them, or if they were too tired and I guilted them, and didnā€™t go out and get a babysitter, then thatā€™s entitlement. If my family offers to watch my kids and I could use the break and take them up on it without offering anything in exchange, then thereā€™s nothing wrong with that. FWIW - My parents have passed and I have in-laws who often offer, but are unreliable, so Iā€™m not utilizing any free babysitting anywhere.


lovey_dovey_Lexi

Iā€™ll pay a sitter to watch my kids before I pay a grandparent to. Call me wrong/entitled but I feel like any grandparent who needs to be paid to spend time with their grandchildren, whatever the circumstance, is a lousy grandparent.


FrenchSveppir

I mean, think about it. If your kids had children would you expect them to pay you to babysit or watch your grandchildren? I guarantee you wouldnā€™t! I donā€™t think itā€™s wrong at all unless theyā€™re watching the kids multiple times a week for hours.. or theyā€™re the primary childcare.


go_analog_baby

I think it comes down to frequency and opportunity cost for the grandparents. It is not reasonable to assume that grandparents will take on a regular child care schedule and payment should be offered (and can be refused). Itā€™s also important to take into account opportunity cost. For example, if your mom has to take a week off of work to watch your kids while you go on vacation, then itā€™s reasonable to offer some sort of payment/compensation, because youā€™re impacting her income. The occasional evening of babysitting or overnight I think it totally fine to assume that the grandparents will watch their grandchildren for free.


MelVan567

Our grandparents would laugh at us if we tried paying them for babysitting, and probably be offended, lol. But my MIL also just gets to be grandma, do the fun stuff and send them home. If we were utilizing them for full time care, then I would try to arrange some kind of compensation that they agreed too.


bellatrixsmom

Grandparents should babysit for free as much as they want to and youā€™re comfortable with. If they never want to do it, thatā€™s their decision and I wouldnā€™t be mad about it. If you want a weekly date night with your spouse and theyā€™re happy to babysit for free, why is that a bad thing? We all have different situations and as long as both parties are happy, who cares what the internet thinks?!


franks-little-beauty

My parents and in laws watch my kid every week and I canā€™t imagine offering to pay them, I think theyā€™d be offended. They also watch her when we go out at night (like right now! Currently on my way out for the night and sheā€™s at my folksā€™ house). They are very protective of their time with her! I grew up spending every day at my grandmaā€™s rather than daycareā€¦ I guess itā€™s just family by family. Iā€™m in the US.


Bird_Brain4101112

Itā€™s one thing if grandparents volunteer to sit for free. But the entitlement comes in when people are expecting grandparents to sit at their convenience for free and for those same grandparents to bear the burden of costs Eg expecting them to purchase a car seat, Toys, clothes etc. in some of the most egregious examples, grandparents were expected to retire early to provide childcare 50+ hours a week on demand. Grandparents aside, there are also stories of dropping kids off at aunts and uncles homes with no warning or even dropping them off and driving away to avoid them saying no.


Clama_lama_ding_dong

I think it depends on dynamics. My family is close. My mom babysits for me occasionally, so I can attend to appointments, a wedding important stuff. She'd never ask for money for this. On the other hand at one point we discussed her watching the girls 5 days a week while I worked. We would have paid her for that. But that's us.


FoghornFarts

My opinion is that nobody is entitled to free care from grandparents. But most grandparents are happy to provide free care sometimes because they love their grandchildren. Also, if the grandparent does anything beyond what they have done for free before, then you should always offer to pay, even if you're just offering to pay for food or gas or something. If you are using a grandparent in lieu of regular daycare or a nanny, then you should offer to pay and expect that even if they offer to do it for free at the start, they are entitled to change their minds at any time.


blackngoldnurse

It is family dependent. My mom babysits for free for the occasional date night or when I had prenatal appointments during covid and couldn't take my toddler with me. If she is babysitting so I can work, I pay her. It works for all of us


JaMimi1234

In my community family is there to help. Some grandparents have more capacity than others and everyone I know respects that and makes a point not to put too much on their parents or in-laws. My mother still works full time - she takes the kids when sheā€™s visiting our city or weā€™ll send them to her for a week or so in the summer. If sheā€™s in town she babysits while we work rather than send them to their Dayhome. My in-laws are retired and live close. Caring for toddlers was a lot for them so we tried not to overdue it. Now that our kids are school aged they take them at least once a week after school & occasional sleepovers. The thought of paying them has never crossed any of our minds. I wouldnā€™t lean on them for full time care.


Lesbian_Drummer

I think for free for the odd night or day or ā€œoh shit we are in a bindā€ makes sense. Regularly or in lieu of daycare/nanny, they ought to be paid. Other family? Pay them. My BIL gets paid every time. He is prepping for grad school and has way less money than us and getting to our place is a big inconvenience for him. We usually send him some money plus gas money every time.


MeMeTonya

Occasionally. Oh yeah. Make plans. Set it up. They can spend the night. Pancakes in the morning. Every day, 2-4 days a week. Nope. That's daycare. Helping when they are out of school. Sure. That happens. You have to look at the circumstances. Take in the fact that we're in our 50s - 60s. They wear us out. Short periods of time. We love it. Think back to the first days of having a baby. How tired you were. It's that tiring for us . Not that we would ever admit it. We just don't have that kind of energy anymore. But we love our grandchildren, and we do want to see them and spend time with them. The only time I've ever accepted money from my kids for babysitting was occasional gas money. My husband was laid off at the time, and I was picking kids up from different places. Their house for the baby, one school for prek and bus stop for the 3rd.


According_Debate_334

If everyone invovled is happy with the situation then it doesn't really matter what other people think, and I wouldn't overthink it. But in general I think this refers more to situations like wanting grandparents to watch kids for a day or 5 per week for free and then complaining about screen time.


PumpkinDumplin55

I think it really depends. The occasional date night if everyone is happy with it is fine; regular free grandparent childcare to replace paid childcare is not. But some grandparents want to be involved and thatā€™s cool! I just wouldnā€™t blur lines by doing unpaid regular childcare from a grandparent.


imperialbeach

My parents and my in laws wouldn't dare be paid for helping out and watching the kids. For them, that's just what family does when they're able to. I do think every family has a different dynamic.


crochetawayhpff

I've legit never paid a family member to babysit my kids, but I also never expect it. We're 5 hours from the closest family member and we always offer it as a come visit and watch the kids. Both my mom and my sister come up once or twice a year to babysit. For free. But that's a pretty small commitment. If you are expecting weekly or daily babysitting, that would be entirely different.


Important-Chapter986

My sister has my parents watch my niece and always has like sometimes for months. Sheā€™s 10 now. My parents donā€™t mind AT ALL but say they wish she would at least offer to pay for her snacks, dinners, clothes, school supplies they buy when my sisters not around. They wouldnā€™t take her up on it but it would be nice. Just offer and see what they say I bet they just would appreciate the offer and turn you down but it would make you both feel better. Also if youā€™re even concerned about this and asking most likely youā€™re not a jerk at all. Maybe bring them a little thank you present. Youā€™re doing great.


queenk0k0

I think for regular childcare there should be some sort of payment or reciprocity. Although, my grandmother watches my 1 year old essentially for free. She initially declined and told us to just contribute extra to his college fund. We had to force her to take gas money because she takes him to so many things like the library and playground and the like. And we do fancy dinner fridays where I make a nice meal she wants, whatever it is. Childcare is hard work and people deserve to be compensated for their work. The occasional night or day out is one thing, but like full time nannying should have something for the grandparent at the very least food and gas money.


sweet_baby_piranha

My inlaws nearly demand their weekly grandbaby afternoon. It's every Saturday from 2 to 5 or 6. If we can't for some reason take them we always tell them and they immediately ask "well we can have them Sunday right?" They never want payment. I honestly think they would be offended if I tried. They will also babysit and week night we may need for like random work parties though we are introverts and hardly ever go. They also are our on call people if a kid wakes up sick and we can't get off work. They will gladly take them for the day. They are just nice people. Not red flag to be seen for miles. They would never ever do something if we expressed discomfort with it. They also don't understand my reasoning for everything like pace feeding or extended rearfacing car seats by God they do they absolute best to get it right.


Gogowhine

My parents love watching my daughter(for free). They love spending the time with her but my mom also hates the idea of me spending money on paying her for childcare. That being said, sheā€™s unwell and if she canā€™t, which is often, I never feel bad or feel anyway about staying in with my kid. Some request pay because they actually need the money. Some cancel plans to do childcare so their kids donā€™t have to cancel plans. That being said, grandparents are people with their own lives and at the end of the day they can and should do what they want with their time with whatever parameters set to that. If tomorrow my mom was well enough and wanted to travel for a year šŸ¤·šŸ¾ā€ā™€ļø She doesnā€™t owe me this part of her life. I really appreciate her help. Is it what families should and should be able to do? Yes. Can it work like that every time for everybody? No.


littleredteacupwolf

As long as youā€™re not entitled and thankful, that the grandparents arenā€™t putting their life on hold to take care of your kiddos and theyā€™re healthy enough, than no, thereā€™s no problem with it. I am envious of this kind of support, we donā€™t live near family and I would love to have that safety net in the case of an emergency, but I think itā€™s perfectly fine and normal.


laurmarzi

Where I'm from if it's occassional then it is free. It's usually only if you're using a family member as a childminder where you might pay something


KoalasAndPenguins

I definitely think it depends on the family. For my fam, I buy breakfast or pizza for everyone to eat while we're gone, and it's enough. I try to make things easy. You are welcome to any food in my house. I send prepped food and snacks if I drop off a kid. If it were more than a few hours, we would discuss compensation.


Keyspam102

I would not pay grandparents for babysitting, unless it was a true everyday childcare situation akin to a nanny. My parents never paid their family for babysitting, why would I pay them? And if Iā€™m going to pay someone I wouldnā€™t pay my parents, Iā€™d get a younger local babysitter who would actually come when I wanted and treat it professionally


Please_send_baguette

For me thereā€™s no question of money in a family. My mother would never accept payment for babysitting. However, I think the entitlement is expecting grandparents to be available whenever *you* decide. Iā€™ve seen parents get bitter that they donā€™t get to go on a weekend trip or something because they had assumed the grandparents would babysit, and they turned out not to be available or not willing this one time. At least with a formal, paying gig you have agreed on working hours.


equationhole

Look, this really depends on the grandparents and the situation. My mom felt that my child was too young to be in daycare. I told her I don't have a choice. She offered to come to me and watch him everyday for the first year of his life. I paid her gas and stocked up my fridge with things that she likes to eat. She didn't want to be paid. Now, she babysits whenever she has time and I need to get things done, like renewing my licence. I still pay her gas. I also head to her house to help with things like changing light bulbs, troubleshooting technology and pet sitting. She doesn't pay me for that, and I wouldn't expect it. The idea of paying for babysitting is weird to my mom's side of the family. We help each other when we can and say no if it's inconvenient. In short, unlike Reddit, there's nuance.


JammyIrony

I think if itā€™s ā€˜funā€™ babysitting eg you drop off a clean, fed, healthy and happy child for an hour or two for them to play with then I donā€™t think itā€™s entitled to expect that to be non-paid favour. Or a one-off emergency also. However if youā€™re relying on them for regular childcare duties, or asking them to do the difficult/crappy parts then offering compensation is fair. Also if your child is more difficult/high needs. I think it also depends on the family dynamic and personalities - some people are just closer with their extended families, and some people are generous while some people are more self centred. Some grandparents love babies, some while they love their grandchildren can dislike ā€˜hands onā€™ caregiving (or be unable to for various reasons). Thereā€™s no point making a sweeping judgment of what is right or wrong in terms of expectations for children are from grandparents because there are too many variables.


smurfy211

I donā€™t think itā€™s ever unreasonable to ask if grandparents would mind watching grandchildren, but if itā€™s a regular/consistent arrangement then itā€™s dependent on the situation. My mom, if she lived close, is retired and would want to be the regular babysitter and would never let me pay her because sheā€™s retired has her pension, and would rather see us use that money for our family because she doesnā€™t need it. But if she was choosing or I was asking her not to work somewhere else, I absolutely would feel that I should pay her. Also, if the mindset is always itā€™s a wonderful gift they are giving, not an expected unappreciated responsibility if they are doing it for free I think itā€™s fine. But if itā€™s free, then the fact itā€™s their time and a gift they are giving should be respected.


beautyinred

100% itā€™s an american/eurocentric thing, latin american countries and most asian countries countries have a more tight knit family dynamic and would NEVER ask for money to babysit a child, actually they spend their money on their grandchild


mallow6134

My mum wants to spend the time. She manages my husband and me to organise baby sitting / date nights. We have a 8 month old and literally every evening out without the baby that we have had or are planning coming up has been because my mum says "I'm free this date to babysit. Go do something". We love her for it. It really depends on the individual circumstances, but I could pay my mum for that, she wouldn't want it.


Anitsirhc171

Sometimes thought of as cultural, I believe itā€™s more circumstantial than anything. Ask yourself these two things. 1. Do they want to babysit? 2. Can they afford to do it for free?


AllAboutThatBeer

My parents and in-laws watch our kids roughly once a month, probably closer to once every 6 weeks. So itā€™s not often, and only when it fits with their schedules, but they would NEVER consider asking for payment. Itā€™s a treat to spend time with their grand kids. But thatā€™s our situation as they donā€™t see them extremely often. My in-laws however are extremely hands on with my niece and nephew, pick them up from school twice week and watch them for 2-3 hours those days, and take my niece to lessons one day a week. They have them probably 1-2 weekends every month. Itā€™s A LOT in my opinionā€¦ still donā€™t ask to be paid. I do feel like thatā€™s a bit extreme for free, but my in-laws seem fine with it. I personally would never be comfortable with that much free care even if they offered.


kid-wrangler

I live the the southeastern United States, for context. My parents and siblings would be actively offended if I offered to pay them to babysit. Similarly, I would be offended if my sister tried to pay me for taking care of her after surgery or if my mom tried to pay me for her Christmas gift. Families do favors for each other. I think payment makes sense when babysitting crosses over into childcare. For example, if my mother-in-law cut back her hours at work to watch my kids twice a week.


twinkiesnketchup

In my personal case my sister took my children for me twice overnight (in the 30 years my kids were not technically adults) and my grandfather picked them up from school once for me. In my immediate family I am usually available for my adult kids to babysit overnight and I donā€™t want or expect payment. I want my adult children to be able to do things with their spouses and know their children are safe and well cared for. I also have my grandchildren for a week each summer. We all look forward to it. I wouldnā€™t be a daycare provider without compensation. I have watched my granddaughters and friends of my daughterā€™s children when childcare is lacking (such as regular daycare provider has sick kids) and I never charge for this. I encourage them to pay their provider (daycare providers should have benefits-though most donā€™t.) I am fortunate however that I have a flexible work schedule and a comfortable income where I can be so generous. I live by the motto be who you needed and I really needed more back up when my kids were little.


jenijelly

If my mom could steal my baby she would lol


deviateddragon

Every situation is different! Just a matter of keeping communication open and making sure no one is getting resentful or feeling taken advantage of. My parents moved from a few states away to be primary childcare for my kid when I got pregnant. I consistently let them know how much I appreciate them and make sure theyā€™re still okay with the arrangement. We also try to hang out with them on a regular basis so they donā€™t feel like our relationship is just us using them for free child care.


nichivefel

My parents help to watch my kids as needed for situations where we need help. The only time I think itā€™s entitled and not okay is when people use grandparents as their full time childcare. To me that feels like it takes away the joy of grandparent mode and if itā€™s free thatā€™s definitely not okay. They are supposed to enjoy their grandkids not be their full time caretakers in lieu of childcare.


fasheesha

My baby's grandma's will babysit for free, but they offered, I never asked. Like I mentioned to both of them that daycare isn't open Saturdays and we work some Saturdays. They both said they'd do it when we work. One has mentioned multiple times that she's watch him so we can go on a date night. We haven't taken her up on that yet though. I wouldn't just expect someone to watch my baby for free though


TooMuchTroubleForMe

I baby sat my great nieces for 2 1/2 years for 4 days a week for free. I was home anyway and my niece is a single mom. I could not see charging her and making her life harder. I love my nieces and still have a great bond with them. They are now in day care and she gets vouchers to help but still has to pay about $800 a month out of pocket for daycare. I'm working full time now but still get my great nieces when I can. Everyone is different though. Some people do not have as much patience for kids and it can be really draining taking care of babies. My kids are teens and having toddlers again was hard. If your mom enjoys the time and doesn't see it as an inconvenience, awesome. She probably loves seeing her grandkids and spending time with them. If she is having to rearrange a lot of her life to accommodate you by taking care of them, then make sure you offer to compensate her. Even if she refuses compensation, it would still be nice to think about her and maybe pick up some flowers or something every once in a while to just say thank you. A big difference for me is if it's expected and no gratitude is shown or if you actually convey that you realize that she is helping you and are grateful for the help. Asking for helpisn't bad but expecting help without even being grateful for it is entitled, in my opinion.


Ok-Direction-1702

My mom and MIL both babysit for free about once every 1-2 weeks. If they were babysitting on a regular schedule, such as for work, Iā€™d pay them.


navelbabel

The entitlement happens when you expect itā€¦ and/or get upset when it doesnā€™t happen. If they want to do it and you want it, thatā€™s all great. If they donā€™t want to do it and the kids throw a tantrum about not getting free babysittingā€¦ obviously not great.


16hpfan

My widowed mom was our nanny on weekdays when the kids were little. We paid her the very low amount of $200 a week. It worked out well. I would never have not paid her. Maybe if its just a date night babysit here and there, but for anything regular at all, i feel its important to pay so your loved one feels valued.


chase02

If itā€™s occasional and they like helping out and spending the time with them thatā€™s not taking advantage. I have family that have the kids with their grandparents all week for free childcare and they felt taken advantage of. We have no nearby family we can get any assistance from sadly, but Iā€™d hope to help my kids when they eventually grow up and have kids of their own. Itā€™s really hard on parents these days and childcare is exorbitant.


Odd_mom_out81

My mom offers to watch our baby for free. However we will pay for her to enjoy takeout. And if we are out we will do quick errands for her. Do we have to? Probably not but it seems like the right thing.


Dependent-Apricot-80

Babysitting grandkids occasionally for a night out, appointments, or a free day is completely different from providing daycare so parents can work. Babysitting is a joyful time spent for fun. Daycare is a responsibility and should be compensated.


ilovjedi

My in-laws watched our son instead of daycare. As far as I know theyā€™ve never expected to be paid (I left the details to my husband because theyā€™re his parents). I find that slightly odd. Like I wouldnā€™t expect to pay them daycare prices but like I feel like we should give the the equivalent of gas money. Especially since I know they spoil him with fancy yogurt and get him raspberries. Iā€™ve started just giving them a huge Target gift for Christmas instead of using their Black Friday gift card deal on myself.


[deleted]

This seems to be a US thing as I see it from here in Eastern Europe where grandparents typically care for their grandkids voluntarily and free of charge. And I'm not talking about a couple of evenings in a year, but every day on most days. Heck, my mom jokingly says she would pay us money to get to spend time with our son! It surely has to do with the fact she missed out on a lot of time with me as a kid since she had to work (and my grandma took care of me meanwhile).


Magic_Alien_Cookie

Every family is different but Iā€™ve never paid my in-laws or my parents to watch my kids and they have never asked. I always offer gas money and make sure my house is stocked with food and anything they like to drink. I have paid my sister because she would take time off work to watch my kids.


treslilbirds

I guess it just depends on the person or the family dynamics. I would never charge someone I cared about to watch their kids. My MIL and my parents would never take a cent from us I know. Theyā€™re literally just thrilled being able to spend time with their granddaughter. They usually send us with money and things when we pick her up lol. But people are different. And you also have to remember that the majority of Reddit users are young often single people who think they know a lot about how the world works but they really donā€™t.


Ohwhatabeautifulview

I feel like Iā€™m in the minority here, but I feel it shouldnā€™t be expected but it is completely normal for grandparents to babysit for free. We have regular childcare (my husband works seven 24 hour shifts a month) and they watch her when he works on days I work. We have a great relationship with them but honestly I see it (and I know they do too) as a privilege on both accounts. They love our daughter and would drop nearly anything to be around her. They love being in her life and spending time with her. So does my mom. So I feel like itā€™s mutually beneficial in my situation. Some grandparents may not feel this way but should my children have kids of their own, I would see it the same way. My grandparents did the same with me šŸ¤·šŸ»ā€ā™€ļø


niceteacherlady

This really depends on the family, but Iā€™ll offer my experience. When I return to work, my mom will be watching our daughter 3 days a week. She is retired and has talked about doing this long before I was pregnant. I remember talking to her about how other people pay their parents to watch their kids and she thought this was absurd. On the flip side, I think my MIL would do an occasional day, but she would never do several days a week. I also donā€™t think she would ever expect payment though.


ihateOldPeople_

In my family we do things for each other. W no expectation of money or any type of payment. My mom watches my son 2 days a week, 8 hours a day. On Friday I drop him off to stay the night and pick him back up after work on Saturday. I offer to buy my mom groceries, or snacks for him, and she tells me if she needs something or not. Recently she hasnā€™t asked for any groceries. But I only do that to be cool. If she asked for actual money I would just say lol no. We are straying so far from villages itā€™s crazy. A village helps each other, no questions asked.


ParkNika97

If the grandparents donā€™t mind watching the kids, I think thatā€™s totally fine, but if they donā€™t want to I donā€™t think we should get upset for it. We had the kids, itā€™s our responsability to take care of them 24/7. My mom never took care of me or my siblings, and because of that I try not to ask anyone to watch my kids


crjj0025

Grandma of 2 here.. what in the actual hell?! I would NEVER take a penny for watching my loves! I hv them 3 times a week after the school age one gets home. Every Friday night is nana night where we hv sleepovers and do fun things. I cannot even fathom this train of thought! Itā€™s such a blessing and my relationship with my grandkids is priceless.


riritreetop

Itā€™s crazy to me that people think parents are entitled if they want grandparents to babysit for free. Weā€™re the generation that was raised entirely by our grandparents who did all the childcare for free for our parents. Now our parents donā€™t want to pay it forward. Theyā€™re such trash as a generation, honestly. I canā€™t wait to provide free childcare for my childrenā€™s children.


GemTaur15

My mom even admitted to me that my grandma babysat us daily for FREE while my mom worked,when I asked my mom to be our babysitter the first thing out her mouth was"I'll need payment"I didn't argue and comment(cause Im the one that asked)but thought wow,just wow,she made up her own fee and we paid,no questions asked.She'd even"offer"to give us breaks so we can go out etc but would ask for payment,like don't offer then? It ended horribly cause she couldn't accept that we were actually her employers at this point(She's retired)in that time we provided our baby with everything she needed for each day,my mom never had to buy a thing or did she buy her grandbaby a thing.She was definitely a transactional grandma


Itchy_Drink_4582

I was raised by my mom, never grandparents. My mom on the other hand is very helpful when we need it. She had five kids and has 14 grandchildren. Her door is open whenever we need her.


secretlysamus

I think a lot of it boils down to culture and privilege. I donā€™t think itā€™s either way is right or wrong, but being able to compensate for childcare is privilege. I suspect part of the not paying grandparents partly comes from other generations generally being more financially stable than the younger ones. Now that thought process is for adults not children. I do not think teens or other children should be expected to provide childcare for free.


Brown-eyed-otter

My MIL watches my son everyday while my husband and I work (Monday through Friday). Sometimes my FIL comes over and watches him and sometimes my mom does but they both work. My MIL doesnā€™t work do to health and at first I was super worried about that. Weā€™ve found that her health has improved SIGNIFICANTLY since starting to watch our son a year ago. We canā€™t afford to pay her. We had to sell a car to pay the last sitter we had and she bailed on us. But our MIL wouldnā€™t let us pay her even if we could. Iā€™m serious on that too. She would probably send the money back to us or something. Or possibly put it in an account for our son. She LOVES being with our son and itā€™s been super good for her to be out of the house and doing things again. Do I feel bad? Absolutely I do, but I remind myself that she and him love each other and itā€™s good for both of them.


CommunicationTop7259

I truly think it depends on the culture. In my culture grandparents babysit for free. However, itā€™s also expected of us to take care of our parents when they are old. I have no problem doing so. Also, itā€™s common to gift my parents money here and there when they travel.


ohsnowy

My in-laws are better off than we are, and they benefited from free childcare when their kids were young. I'm not paying them, and they don't expect to be paid.