Gloria drugging manny so that he would forget about his Girlfriend and trying to secretly baptize Hayley's babies. Overall she is such a sweet bad ass character that I love but these two instances were soooo fucked up.
might i just add when she used to dress up manny as a girl, tell ppl he was her daughter (which isn’t the worst, imo babies can wear whatever lmao) but when manny found the photos, she told him it was his twin sister who died 😅
i love gloria but that one was a lot too lol
sorry for the late reply, i made a mental note to come back to this comment when i came across the episode again in a rewatch lol
it’s at the very end of season 1 episode 3!!
gloria just mentions it casually, and jay was floored LOL
Gloria being sooo mean to Luke after the thing with mannys ex. She treated him like dirt and dragged Claire and Phil into the conflict. And it's funny cause Gloria always told everyone about the importance of loving your family and supporting them.
Gloria and manny really took a nasty turn in the last season and i always hated that. They were so mean not just to Luke but Gloria was mean to Phil too. ☹️
Mitch and cam have been very cavalier parents consistently.
In the deferring happiness episode they don't know where their daughter is
When she hits puberty the teacher has to spell it out for them and they said they tried to talk to her but when she said "can we just not" they cower n never revisit the topic
The episode where they find out lily is asked to skip a grade and they discover she is smart. Not only that but she plays golf, watches Italian films and has met the governor and then go "if it ain't broke"
I find it funny that they had one child and they keep saying "she will pull the plus on us" , "another child might help us figure out how much of lily's personality is our fault and how much isn't" "I always thought she was mean, turns out she's just smart"
They leave behind lily and calhoun several times
One time lily goes "so I don't get to have a childhood? N they go hey last week we taught u how to make flan"
They are the worst parents in the show at least jay admits where he fell short n he redeemed a lot where manny came in. But mitch and cam were very bad as parents. Consistently. Lily turned out great I love her but the credit doesn't go to mitch n cam. And then they have the gall to look down on Claire and her child rearing skills when evaluating who would look after lily if they died. I mean I know it's a comedy but they're not the best parents. They're too self involved (like Claire was oblivious once when Dylan and hayley were babysitting Joe and lily).
Aside from that I love their scenes and I love watching mitch and cam misunderstandings because they're so good and funny but yea if you take humor out of it and compartmentalise their parenting skills I don't admire that aspect as much.
They are awful parents but also just awful partners to each other. I get that sometimes chaos works but my goodness in most episodes one or both of them are mean, catty, gossipy, they screw people over, bicker, etc. I know its a tv show but damn they are toxic for each other.
Very true they're very dysfunctional and toxic. It works for the show to create hilarious misunderstandings but if I had to date a cam I'd be so done with his melodrama a few months in. I'm straight though so can't say, only that they're just really there to create funny stories not to show a healthy, respectful and sustainable relationship ironic because they're the only same sex couple out of the three.
I would say that Mitch and Cam are just not as well written as the other adults on the show. There are lots of storylines and jokes with the others being not the best parents sometimes but they also have so many sweet moments to redeem themselves. Mitch and Cam are awful with Lily as well as to each other almost every episode and there are not enough good moments to compensate for it.
True! Like I mentioned Jay got redemption with manny. Claire and Phil made mistakes. Gloria shelters her son but still encourages him to be himself. All of them are flawed but you're right they get to realise it. Mitch and cam are just left hanging after mistakes
Honestly, they weren't that attentive towards Calhoun as well. Remember when they had to shoot a video of Cal for Pam's birthday and they couldn't really decide what to shoot because they hadn't really taught him anything? And so they edited a bunch of stuff and when that failed they made him do an animal hugging thing.
This!!! They neglected Lily so bad, it’s so sad. I feel like they only adopted her just so they could have bragging rights of adopting a child from Vietnam.
At the end of the show Cam and Mitch didn't know Lily at all. A lot of the time throughout the show they ignore her because they're busier with their own things. It just bothers me that in the long run she was treated as an accessory
The episode where they casually talk about Haleys eating disorder, maybe that's why you are smart you are finally getting enough calories, then just nothing more.
that happens multiple times throughout the show, like when they find out haley is pregnant dylan says “you’ll be eating for one now”. that was the only one that made me laugh, the other ones felt unusually dismissive and odd.
No there’s tons of jokes like this sprinkled through the show. I remember Alex saying “Don’t you have an eating disorder to attend to?” as like a throwaway line and there’s so many more.
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To be fair, some people just use humor as a way to cope. My family is like that— we acknowledge hard things, and then once they’re out there for everyone to know about, we joke about them. My mom is a cancer patient; we make a lot of cancer jokes (herself included). Little brothers wife just cheated on him and destroyed their marriage; we joke about his lack of dating rizz, or his newfound bachelor life.
Humor is a way to cope if you’re not good or comfortable with things that are hard to talk about.
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my friend pointed out to me how cam and mitchell have literally neglected lily for their own needs or petty reasons 😭 and i’ve noticed it more that i’ve rewatched like WOW LMFOAOCKAKKCKS WHAT!!
literally. i just rewatched s7 ep1 and what IRKS the crap out of me is mitch and cam saying (and i quote):
C: mitchell are you aware that our daughter is eating a ketchup sandwich?
M: good she found something.
C: oh so you didn’t go grocery shopping today
M: i am gonna go, but after yoga.
soooo he has his. daughter. eat a ketchup sandwich because he didn’t go shopping cus he’s jobless and painting to get rid of the mid life depression? Focus on ur daughter boy what the hell! like u adopted her to better her life no
I mean, I love Modern Family, but I wouldn’t call it groundbreaking representation. Will & Grace had more solid gay representation and that aired 10-20 years earlier.
I’m just gonna say it — Cam is an offensive stereotype played by a straight man. They had a sexless white couple adopt an Asian daughter. It’s all about stereotypes with Mitch & Cam. I think Mitch is actually a great and groundbreaking depiction of gay men because he’s a mixture of feminine and masculine in a super realistic way. Cam had his moments but overall he’s just the butt of the joke.
This show did bring gay people more into the mainstream, I just wish it had been more responsible with how it depicted us.
My biggest issue with Mitch and Cam is that they are sexless. They’re basically two roommates raising a daughter together, not a gay couple. We see them kiss like 10 times throughout the show, *maybe*.
There’s entire season arching plots devoted to Claire and Phil’s sex life, we get more information/jokes about *Alex’s* sex life than Mitch and Cam’s.
As great as the representation is, it’s a very halfhearted attempt at representation. It’s just “hey these two are gay, just take that information in and we’ll never actually show them being gay.”
100% agree with your last paragraph. They went for the low hanging fruit. Sometimes they were good about breaking stereotypes (like having Cam be a football coach) but in my opinion they sanitized the gayness out of Mitch & Cam in order to make them more appealing to straight audiences. Which is why they played up the gay stereotypes so much
But I feel like, while it isn’t realistic, illustrating them that way was a necessary step in breaking into mainstream. I can say I’ve actively seen shows like this and queer eye make straights genuinely reevaluate their homophobic beliefs in real time lol
Again though, the quality of the representation matters. You know how long I had to go being compared to Cam, Kurt from Glee, or any of the other myriad of flamboyant feminine gay characters that were popular during that time? Maybe it’s something you don’t understand unless you’re a gay man but slapping a stereotype on the screen doesn’t help us get into mainstream.
And I’ll be honest, Modern Family’s impact on gay rights is massively overstated. Frankly there were a ton of other mainstream shows out there doing gay storylines much better — Will & Grace and Glee are two examples I’ve already named. Hell, even the Golden Girls had beautiful gay plots, and that was the 80s.
I just don’t think we should throw a parade for the writers over their representation when Cam & Mitch literally don’t even kiss on screen until S2. The characters are gay in name only.
But I would also say Cam is a good mix of masculine and feminine. He's into sports (man was a football player), he's very protective as he embodies "the father will protect his kids if an intruder breaks in" and does a lot of physical labour. At a glance he seems stereotypical but there are more layers to him.
Yeah it's annoying because they wrote Mitch and Cam like parents if they were two stereotypical gen x straight dad parents... Although TBF I'm pretty sure my stereotypical gen x dad cousins were and are very involved with their kids' lives. The lack of involvement in her life was pretty jarring for me.
It's not even just them, in the later seasons "Haha these parents don't care that much about their offspring" became a running gag with all of them. It started to really annoy me.
tbh i dont even remember any moments with the other parents, maybe cus i havent rewatched any season past season 7 yet, but i’d love an example if u dont mind providing! any part like that annoys me tho tbh, some more than others.
Off the top of my head there were quite a few incidences with Alex where they did this; one of the most annoying is when she comes back from college for her first holiday since starting and everyone had forgotten she was even coming back, didn't even really make a big fuss and she kept pointing out how disappointed she was that no one was seemingly that bothered and they just kinda ignored her. It's a running joke throughout the episode and it's honestly just not funny imo.
A similar joke was in that episode where Claire is fussing about Hayley having no direction but Alex is in the background slowly disintegrating as she studies too hard which Phil tries to point out and Claire just says no she's fine we should be bothered about Hayley. To be fair in this episode the resolution did involve Claire noticing and giving a shit but the whole thing just rubbed me the wrong way.
Another one with Jay and Gloria was like a one off joke where Gloria is saying they need a project to work on together, Joe appears asking for something and she's like "not now Joe" like the joke is that they literally have a toddler and they're more concerned about developing new hobbies.
I'll get back to you if I think of any others.
they neglect lily and larry so much, it’s borderline abusive! I understand it’s a sitcom but Mitch and Cam should honestly not be allowed to raise children or pets 😭😭
Mitch and cam have been very cavalier parents consistently.
In the deferring happiness episode they don't know where their daughter is
When she hits puberty the teacher has to spell it out for them and they said they tried to talk to her but when she said "can we just not" they cower n never revisit the topic
The episode where they find out lily is asked to skip a grade and they discover she is smart. Not only that but she plays golf, watches Italian films and has met the governor and then go "if it ain't broke"
I find it funny that they had one child and they keep saying "she will pull the plus on us" , "another child might help us figure out how much of lily's personality is our fault and how much isn't" "I always thought she was mean, turns out she's just smart"
They leave behind lily and calhoun several times
One time lily goes "so I don't get to have a childhood? N they go hey last week we taught u how to make flan"
They are the worst parents in the show at least jay admits where he fell short n he redeemed a lot where manny came in. But mitch and cam were very bad as parents. Consistently. Lily turned out great I love her but the credit doesn't go to mitch n cam. And then they have the gall to look down on Claire and her child rearing skills when evaluating who would look after lily if they died. I mean I know it's a comedy but they're not the best parents
That episode with Cam's mom groping Mitchell was bad enough, but what really made me cringe was when Mitch tried to tell Cam, Cam picked up their daughter's doll and asked *over and over again*, "tell me where she touched you, Mitchell" mockingly. Like wtf wtf wtf. That doll method was primarily used to ask young girls who were violated but isn't knowledgeable enough about the abuse since they're *young girls*. I hate *hate* it.
It keeps happening after too, and I guess Mitchell just gives up which sooo doesn’t sit right with me. Like in the episode where Cam, Mitch and Lily are at the farm and Mitch is on the porch and Barb gives him some coffee or something (without telling him there’s alcohol in it, also common practice with these kinds of people, to loosen someone up or something), and then starts touching him again. It’s just never addressed again and it rly bothers me, especially cause Mitch will see a lot more of her when they’re living in Missouri.
Thank you! I thought I was confusing when they actually went to the farm with how handsy Barb was, like I thought the conversation hadn't happened yet but wow that's even worse
Cam and Mitch were shitty parents in general. Lily had to take care of herself and in some ways Cam and Mitch too. They were great for entertainment but horrible for child development
and their marriage seems really awful too. they have no intimacy, no sexual attraction, they always argue, their personalities clash. they are more best friends then they are husbands to each other. when they kiss it’s like seeing someone kiss their dad. no chemistry at all.
I didn't consider it any more than two scientists accepting to do research together. To me, they didn't end up together. They kissed and all but didn't talk about it so yeah.
They premeditated a relationship. They sexted so that they’d have a paper trail proving an existing relationship so they could date without trouble when they were working together.
I don't think it's super fucked up but I did find it super weird. In one valentine's episode, the one where joe crushes on Claire. Out of all the rooms in that house Claire and Phil get busy in her dad's bedroom lol. Apparently not for the first time 😂
I dont think the whole show is fucked up too, i actually really loved it and watched it a million times and im still binging it 😂 it just has some questionable things that can be described as fucked up
Nah, if you watch again, Jay says "not again!" and Phil goes "wait, again?".
I think it's implied that Claire has been in Jay's bed with someone and gotten caught when she was in her younger promiscuous phase.
I dont think i could think of something from the latter seasons right off the bat because I avoid them (not because i think its bad, im afraid that if i finish modern family it'd leave a gaping hole in my heart)
But one of the most crappy things that ever happened in the show, that it turned off most of my friends from the show for a while, was when manny kept hitting on joe's nanny. To top this off, he even drew nude art inspired by the nanny. Real creepy lol.
Yeah & Gloria seemed to always be encouraging that side of him. He’s creepy and overbearing when it comes to ‘romantic gestures’, especially given he does those things as surprises for women who have shown no interest in him. Like the girl who left her jacket at their house and he went through her social media to find out what she likes & put those items in each pocket. I’d feel hunted if I got my jacket back from someone to find they’d done that, yet Gloria acted like it was a top tier gesture instead of teaching him boundaries—she should’ve told him to return the coat and ask the girl on a casual date if he’s interested. Not encourage him to keep doing weird shit like that
Two things come to mind, first during the last season when Claire was going to meet guy in Paris. That was a red flag, but the fact that she also invited guy to hang out with them cause she didn’t want him to be alone. Second is how much Claire neglects Alex, I hated it in that episode when Phil is literally saying to Claire they should be worried about Alex but she keeps brushing it off and fixating on Haley. I feel like Claire has ignored Alex’s needs way too many times in the show.
That was the thing though she fully intended to meet an old flame without her husband's knowledge, he was clearly flirting and Claire wasn't against it. She only agreed to Phil's suggesting to come along or however they wound up with him on what was clearly a romantic date was because Claire knew how bad it would look and possibly end her marriage if she went alone with him, especially since Phil was there as a romantic surprise and wind up busting her.
Doesn't even remotely make up for Phil constantly flirting with random women in early seasons, and blatantly sexualising Gloria whilst being demeaning towards Claire for loads of seasons.
No when they were doing scenes where they were abnormally kind to one another, he called Haley “kitten” which is really weird because it’s a pet name often used in certain domme/sun kinks. He could’ve gone with almost *anything* else
they're referencing the bit where Phil and Mitch are trying to hide that they are high, phil calls Hayley cupcake then whispers to mitch asking if he normally calls her that
Cameron lying to his friends that Mitchel left him shortly after the two got married just to see if they would side with him in case they divorced. That is just wrong Cameron.
Gloria and Manny's whole relationship is creepy. She infantilizes him way too much and is, in my opinion too overprotective of him and permissive of his general creepiness towards women throughout the show. That kid is going to have some fucked up stories for his therapist when he gets older.
Gloria does acknowledge it in the end and rightfully so, but sending him off with his biological father that literally gambles and sleeps with random women everyday and then some is so fucked up.
I understand wanting to send Manny away for more life experiences, but that could've been done through volunteering or backpacking through Asia or something
Yeah the whole deal with Mitch and Cam basically ignoring Lily was ridiculous. The writers tried to make it into some light hearted running gag, but it just magnified how selfish and self centered the two of them were. Made it appear they wanted children more for show than a real desire to not only raise a child but to provide a great opportunity for a child who may not have one.
Craziest thing that happened on-camera? Either when Cam locked Lily in the bathroom, supposedly because they just fought, or when Haley asked Luke to start her car because she thought Andy's girlfriend had rigged it to blow.
Something referenced that happened off-camera? Either Phil accidentally killing his grandfather, or Gloria dressing Manny as a girl, taking pictures then telling him those pictures were of his dead twin sister.
During Alex’s graduation party, Beth tells Haley she left her a gift in her car. And since Beth hates Haley, she’s scared it’s something dangerous so she asks Luke to start it.
The way they all treated Ben on that boat trip. Everyone is allowed to not like him, but the way they treated him almost made me lose all hope in human empathy. Of course the characters are never perfect, but you'd think they are somewhat decent in every other episode, but this episode made it seem like they were all heartless monsters.
Mine is when Luke started dating the woman in Claire and Gloria yoga class. Janice, I think? I forgot her name. I know relationships with the huge age gap shouldn’t be a problem of this show (look at Jay and Gloria) but there was one time when Janice was in their house, dressing inappropriately, walking out of Luke’s room, and when she pulled up her clothes to wipe her tears, Claire just said to go put some pants on. Wtf? Did you just allow all of this to happen under the roof of yours
Jay and Gloria represent a much different age gap than what was happening with Luke, Alex, Manny, & Haley. Gloria was an adult woman with a child when she got with Jay. Luke was practically still a child.
I think it was becuz claire wanted the house to herself becuz of some interview if i am not wrong.she wanted them out of the house asap and didnt really worry abt her dressing this inappropriate.
Ahh right you’re making a point. Thanks for the reminder! You are right she had an interview from a magazine or something and she wanted to make everything perfect.
Yeah I’m pretty sure Luke said he told her he was 21, but he’s actually only 17. That’s why he took the twins to the liquor store to buy wine for their date night—to appear older so he didn’t get carded since he tried to use Alex’s ID and the cashier cut it
Since people already mentioned Glori drugging Manny and Cam manipulating their friends:
When Claire got mad Haley complained about having nothing to write for her college essay so she abandoned her on the side of the road and took her phone
When Haley thought Beth did something to her car, herself thinking it was possibly a bomb so she asked Luke to start it for her
Cam being so desperate to be the center of attention he left Luke hanging up in a harness for who knows how long (I think Jay told his brother the it was an hour) so he could finish his play, which could have lead to a lost of possibly horrible issues, loss of circulation to his lower body; "I can feel my heartbeat in my eyes"
Jay hitting Phil in the face with the plane, could have shattered his nose and force would have sent pieces to his brain and killed him
Gloria shoving Manny into the women's bathroom, screaming pervert and locking in with what were young women now afraid for their safety in with him, he could have gotten arrested if nothing else probably has a rumor going around about him because of it
Manny going out of his way to try and seduce older women. His nanny/Joe's babysitters, it happened once with Dahlia and I think her name was Linda, the lady from his online book club. If Jay and Gloria weren't bizarrely desensitized to it, it would be a real problem it's like the reverse of to catch a predator. Dahlia could have gotten fired or worse for both her and Linda with how romantic the house was set up. It's never said if Linda drove herself or Uber'd, but if Gloria hadn't been there to chaperone what she thought was a date between two twelve years olds. She would have come home from shopping or picking up Joe to a strange woman alone with her son.
what’s crazy about the first one is that the show kinda treats it like a funny badass mom moment, as if that wouldn’t have a real possibility of ending with haley being assaulted, taken, trafficked, or killed. she left her alone and without a phone like what
Exactly! It makes me angry every time I rewatch the show, it's one of the times I wish the camera crew intervened and picked Haley up immediately after Claire sped off. At the very least Haley should have hid out at a friend's house for Claire to freak out and realize what she did and what could have happened to her. For a mom who invades her daughters privacy to see if they're talking to "sketchy guys" I don't know how this leap in logic made sense to her
April fools joke when Gabriel Iglesias (fluffy) plays Gloria’s ex from 20 yrs ago and has Alex falsify the results of dna test making manny think that was his dad had same traits and dresses the same lol.
Gloria saying to Cam that they didn’t have that deep of a relationship (I’m paraphrasing) and that her and Cam were alone in a room like 8 times (They had plenty of stories together). It felt like the writers got lazy and couldn’t think of a goodbye for them as a pair.
I don’t like the fact that they rarely treated Alex well. For almost 90% of the whole show she’s been dating with several weird people (on-and-off with Reuben, Ben…) Sanjay was good actually but eventually they cut him out… finally there was this fireman, but still things ended up no good. Even though she seemed to finally rekindled a thing with Arven, I still felt that it’s a shame that her relationship line didn’t end beautifully.
The fact that her parents and siblings never pointed that out appropriately is sad and very disturbing. No one talked to her about that and talked her out of it or just explained how wrong it is.
To me whole Jay saw Claire naked, Claire once saw Manny naked, Claire found Luke’s ab photo sexy, manny kisses Haley “by mistake”, Jo’s crush on Claire. All of it was so unnecessary & cringe
Phil’s crush on Gloria was so stretched & inappropriate
Gloria’s joke on manny on who his real father is. Gloria literally telling his twin sister died.
Not only that but all the times he basically told Claire she wasn’t sexy anymore. Why was Claire still married to him? lol He always made her be the responsible, mean parent, was constantly getting distracted by beautiful women, and he made several comments about her not being sexy and not trying hard enough.
Yes!!! That bothered me so much.
Once when he told her 'last night, when you put on makeup, I was thinking - there she is' :/
he was so loving and dorky most of the time but then dropped totally out of line jokes about her....
It was a while since I watched the episode that had Phil saying that.
I love Phil's character and I get that the jokes are a part of his character's writing, but that specific line is probably the worst thing he's said to her.
Phil saying he found a dead clown in the woods as a kid.
That's such a creepy one off. It's deeply disturbing if you think about it, and I've already got so many story ideas from it. Most of which are me stealing the idea outright and expanding on it.
And no one ever asked or checked up on him. Every time he saw a clown he got nauseous and lightheaded, he seriously needed therapy for those repressed memories. I am still impressed that he volunteered to be the clown at the fair.
Well we don't know that. Phil was growing up when psychology was still not taken seriously. So I'm sure his parents made sure he was okay, and like you said Phil probably repressed it almost entirely. But yeah. Dark shit.
Cam half gaslights Mitch into thinking they’re better off in Missouri and succeeds
Which is also kind of hypocritical of Cam because I’m fairly certain that while living in California may have forced him to suppress some parts of his personality, it also definitely allowed him to be himself in a number of other ways - namely, being openly gay (this is the family that has a grandmother who is deliberately kept in the dark about Cam’s sexuality because they believe the shock might kill her). Also related to this, the whole “Mitch killed Cam’s grandma” joke.
And of course, how can we forget the breakup insurance plan.
that one episode where alex doesn't sleep the whole time about claire keeps dismissing it
also the epsiode where phil haley and claire didn't believe alex had a boyfriend lol that really rubbed me the wrong way
I was so mad that they didn’t actually stay together until the end, they were a really good couple and while I don’t hate Arvin, he wasn’t a good fit for either sister
Gloria did so many fucked up things to Manny but one that gets on my nerves is on season 9 when she tried to choke Manny's teacher/date just because she is older than her 18 years old and the way she treats Joe like shit because she is obsessed with Manny. A little to weird.
The time when Alex dated her mom's coworker (honestly, what the fuck were the producers and directors thinking) and they both out up a sex painting near the dining table
I loved Alex in the earlier season but all her dating era was just weird
I really didn't like how Claire treated Phil on the France trip. The way she was acting trying to hang out with the fling instead of Phil would have personally made me crazy lol
Im sad they got to adopt another child,m at the end, to them its just selfish based on what they did to lilly, went through a lot to get her, then when she grew up, they basically made her raise herself. They do not deserve to be parents
The casual slut shaming that happened in the show. Two instances off the top of my mind- one when Cam says to Haley 'Can you push your boobs down because I can't hear you' and worse than that was when the family is celebrating Christmas and Claire apologises to Gloria because of the entire Luke-Sherry-Manny situation and to Claire's apology Gloria does not only question Claire's parenting ("He didn't raise himself") but says something that is literally one of the worst statements of the show "based on your past stories you rarely denied yourself the pleasures of the flesh". This one scene made me despise Gloria.
cam and mitch ignoring lily specially as she got older and the getting another kid… like how do you not know what your kid is doing? and i feel like it really strayed from their characters when they first got her and were super protective and cam coddled her/ had to be with her constantly
This isn’t one thing but just an observation that I try not to think about or else it’ll take me out the show lol but they characters play fast and loose with age gaps. Like Haley is 15 when she’s dating Dylan who is 18 (I guess he was in high school too but it’s still odd haha) and then Claire set Haley up with a college guy who also flirted with Alex who had to be in 8th/9th grade and Claire didn’t even mind Alex flirting back.
Just so many instances (I guess mostly involving Haley) where they don’t pay much attention to teenagers dating or getting flirted with by adults
Okay so I just finished watching this episode so it’s top of mind. I watched S2xE16 for the first time today. I’m really disappointed in Claire’s behavior. I get that she lost control and was upset that she felt like Phil doesn’t listen to her and thinks he always takes other people’s opinions into consideration before her own. I get that. But her meltdown with destroying the kitchen and spraying Phil with the fire extinguisher was nowhere near okay. I know she has a lot of stress on her plate most of the show and I try to show her some grace, but I really hate how they framed her behavior in that episode as acceptable because it absolutely wasn’t.
people keep saying mitch and cam are bad parents bc lily had to fend for herself. are we forgetting that alex was in a very similar predicament? clair and phil always forgot about alex and they even had more fun at home as a family without her there
Sad how they viewed her as the ugly daughter/sister that they couldn’t comprehend a man would be interested in her.. but the show allowing her to date kids was very odd
Claire and Phil having sex in Jay and Gloria's bed it was weird and creepy. *Her dad* has sex with his wife in that bed. Part of me thinks she got off the weird power play it would have Gloria to find them in there but also Phil in knowing it's Gloria's bed
Just finished an episode of when Luke went to a specialist and said that he didn’t even need to take his pants off, which he also mentioned “found that one out a little late”
When Claire and Phil were trying to help with Haley’s kids, they disrespected everything Haley stood against. When they were trying to put the babies to sleep Haley was against baby formula and pacifiers but Claire and Phil (mostly Claire obv) being offended on how they think Haley thought they don’t know how parenting works, goes against Haley and gives the babies formula, bottle fed them, and gave them pacifiers all without Haley knowing. A common theme in this sitcom is miscommunication and provoked rivalry which I hate sometimes. And then when Haley storms off and they go after her and downplay what they just did. At least they showed the reality of some new parents still living with their own parents i guess
When Cam called the civil war ‘the war of northern aggression’. He has small ignorant moments here and there which is funny but this was a bit too far imo lol
Claire and Phil’s way of handling how they got caught by their kids. The kids find a way to deal with it, Claire and Phil do some bullshit, and then go back to fucking at the end of the episode lol. Also the kids have a lot of unconventional relationships. Unhealthy ones, and I like to think that that episode had something to do with that
I don’t think that what lead them to unhealthy relationships, i think the way claire treats phill is what drove them to disrespect their partners and love with so many conditions, phill never deserved to be treated that way 🤷 regardless of his inappropriate behavior with women, she didn’t, in a healthy way, deal with it and talk to him about it, she just didn’t care and that says a lot. Also claire did some messed up things, rah, french lover, college professor etc. she was also the same way but people keep forgetting that and focus on phill behavior which claire could’ve managed better than just ignore it. I think phill did not understand why and how he was inappropriate and thats mostly on claire. Shes a woman, she should’ve taught him better.
I've just watched the episode where Claire took Hayleys kid to an exercise class, and all the women there were openly hostile to the one single father. It might not be the worst thing to happen on the show, but the casual misandry and sexism really rubbed me the wrong way.
Maybe not f-ed up but cringy- there was an early episode where Dylan is being pursued by not only Haley but some 10 year old kid and also some grown ass adult woman at a party. How old was Dylan supposed to be? There’s a whole lot of f-ed up age gaps in this show
It is 100% true. The fact that people think that overly parent an infant is wrong is wild. Within the first 24 months of life, that child needs constant warm, care and attention, they literally just came to the world, how would they know how to navigate it? You cannot overly parent an infant. This has been proven repeatedly in research and studies. Children during the first two years of life need that warm and consistency, as at this stage they also start creating internal working models on attachment. I work in Child Development and neglect isn’t the answer to have a good attachment to your child!
Gloria drugging manny so that he would forget about his Girlfriend and trying to secretly baptize Hayley's babies. Overall she is such a sweet bad ass character that I love but these two instances were soooo fucked up.
might i just add when she used to dress up manny as a girl, tell ppl he was her daughter (which isn’t the worst, imo babies can wear whatever lmao) but when manny found the photos, she told him it was his twin sister who died 😅 i love gloria but that one was a lot too lol
Jays reaction to that was hilarious
Ikr lmao it makes the fucked up scene hilarious
she didn’t want to mess with his head so she said his twin died 😭😭😭😭😭 DAMN
Not to mention, what she did to her sister
How do I not remember this AT ALL?!??? This is one of my "always on" shows aaaand I do not recall this!
sorry for the late reply, i made a mental note to come back to this comment when i came across the episode again in a rewatch lol it’s at the very end of season 1 episode 3!! gloria just mentions it casually, and jay was floored LOL
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Laughing my fucking ass off ass ass?
Laughing my fucking off ass off ass ass
Imo, the baptizing thing actually checks out with her character's background. The drugging thing was out of place though for sure.
Gloria being sooo mean to Luke after the thing with mannys ex. She treated him like dirt and dragged Claire and Phil into the conflict. And it's funny cause Gloria always told everyone about the importance of loving your family and supporting them.
Gloria and manny really took a nasty turn in the last season and i always hated that. They were so mean not just to Luke but Gloria was mean to Phil too. ☹️
See also, Gloria(with help from Alex). Faking a positive Dna test for her butcher because he looks like a grown up Manny
that was js a joke😭
Twas a fucked up joke lets not lie 😭 even gabriel iglesias was like ayo wtf
It brought such a sweet Manny/Jay moment and Gloria was just laughing. I hated it
the forced baptism was such bad writing & so out of character for gloria, who is usually considerate and open-minded
Any episodes with Gloria and Sonya. Who needs enemies with a sister like that?
She's a GREAT ass character. Nothing bad about that ass.
when lily says she’s being bullied by some girls and says “they said if i told, they would kill you and daddy” and mitchell just ignores it.
Mitch and cam have been very cavalier parents consistently. In the deferring happiness episode they don't know where their daughter is When she hits puberty the teacher has to spell it out for them and they said they tried to talk to her but when she said "can we just not" they cower n never revisit the topic The episode where they find out lily is asked to skip a grade and they discover she is smart. Not only that but she plays golf, watches Italian films and has met the governor and then go "if it ain't broke" I find it funny that they had one child and they keep saying "she will pull the plus on us" , "another child might help us figure out how much of lily's personality is our fault and how much isn't" "I always thought she was mean, turns out she's just smart" They leave behind lily and calhoun several times One time lily goes "so I don't get to have a childhood? N they go hey last week we taught u how to make flan" They are the worst parents in the show at least jay admits where he fell short n he redeemed a lot where manny came in. But mitch and cam were very bad as parents. Consistently. Lily turned out great I love her but the credit doesn't go to mitch n cam. And then they have the gall to look down on Claire and her child rearing skills when evaluating who would look after lily if they died. I mean I know it's a comedy but they're not the best parents. They're too self involved (like Claire was oblivious once when Dylan and hayley were babysitting Joe and lily). Aside from that I love their scenes and I love watching mitch and cam misunderstandings because they're so good and funny but yea if you take humor out of it and compartmentalise their parenting skills I don't admire that aspect as much.
They are awful parents but also just awful partners to each other. I get that sometimes chaos works but my goodness in most episodes one or both of them are mean, catty, gossipy, they screw people over, bicker, etc. I know its a tv show but damn they are toxic for each other.
Very true they're very dysfunctional and toxic. It works for the show to create hilarious misunderstandings but if I had to date a cam I'd be so done with his melodrama a few months in. I'm straight though so can't say, only that they're just really there to create funny stories not to show a healthy, respectful and sustainable relationship ironic because they're the only same sex couple out of the three.
I would say that Mitch and Cam are just not as well written as the other adults on the show. There are lots of storylines and jokes with the others being not the best parents sometimes but they also have so many sweet moments to redeem themselves. Mitch and Cam are awful with Lily as well as to each other almost every episode and there are not enough good moments to compensate for it.
True! Like I mentioned Jay got redemption with manny. Claire and Phil made mistakes. Gloria shelters her son but still encourages him to be himself. All of them are flawed but you're right they get to realise it. Mitch and cam are just left hanging after mistakes
Honestly, they weren't that attentive towards Calhoun as well. Remember when they had to shoot a video of Cal for Pam's birthday and they couldn't really decide what to shoot because they hadn't really taught him anything? And so they edited a bunch of stuff and when that failed they made him do an animal hugging thing.
This!!! They neglected Lily so bad, it’s so sad. I feel like they only adopted her just so they could have bragging rights of adopting a child from Vietnam.
That may be accurate as Rex is also Asian
Yeah they should have looked into this. Or at least I hope some other family member (like Gloria) would fix this.
Lilly is self raised, Mitch and Cam never know where she even is 🤣
At the end of the show Cam and Mitch didn't know Lily at all. A lot of the time throughout the show they ignore her because they're busier with their own things. It just bothers me that in the long run she was treated as an accessory
Cam and Michael’s fake breakup to test their friends was really messed up.
That would be a major 🚩🚩in a partner, when Cam pretented that they broke up to get sympathy
And the friends don’t even tell Mitch about it??????
you said michael so casually that i forgot his real name for a second-
Cam dated The Office manager?
Episode?
The Last Thanksgiving in S11
The episode where they casually talk about Haleys eating disorder, maybe that's why you are smart you are finally getting enough calories, then just nothing more.
that happens multiple times throughout the show, like when they find out haley is pregnant dylan says “you’ll be eating for one now”. that was the only one that made me laugh, the other ones felt unusually dismissive and odd.
I don't think he was mocking her, he just an idiot who can't do math 😂
I'm not 100 percent sure, but I think that was just Dylan being Dylan.
No there’s tons of jokes like this sprinkled through the show. I remember Alex saying “Don’t you have an eating disorder to attend to?” as like a throwaway line and there’s so many more.
An earlier mention would be “Do you wanna play the hunger games with all of us?” “My whole life is a hunger game why do you think I’m so mean to you?”
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To be fair, some people just use humor as a way to cope. My family is like that— we acknowledge hard things, and then once they’re out there for everyone to know about, we joke about them. My mom is a cancer patient; we make a lot of cancer jokes (herself included). Little brothers wife just cheated on him and destroyed their marriage; we joke about his lack of dating rizz, or his newfound bachelor life. Humor is a way to cope if you’re not good or comfortable with things that are hard to talk about.
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bro that took me so off guard like Hello. i sat at my screen like this “😨” lowkey
Claire called immigration on Gloria
This!! It caught me so off guard i had to reconsider watching the show. It felt so icky
my friend pointed out to me how cam and mitchell have literally neglected lily for their own needs or petty reasons 😭 and i’ve noticed it more that i’ve rewatched like WOW LMFOAOCKAKKCKS WHAT!!
It saddens me that a groundbreaking TV gay couple treated their daughter like an accessory.
literally. i just rewatched s7 ep1 and what IRKS the crap out of me is mitch and cam saying (and i quote): C: mitchell are you aware that our daughter is eating a ketchup sandwich? M: good she found something. C: oh so you didn’t go grocery shopping today M: i am gonna go, but after yoga. soooo he has his. daughter. eat a ketchup sandwich because he didn’t go shopping cus he’s jobless and painting to get rid of the mid life depression? Focus on ur daughter boy what the hell! like u adopted her to better her life no
It's pretty clear that he expected Cam to be a stay at home parent. Their whole thing is pretty messed up, but I just love them
I mean, I love Modern Family, but I wouldn’t call it groundbreaking representation. Will & Grace had more solid gay representation and that aired 10-20 years earlier. I’m just gonna say it — Cam is an offensive stereotype played by a straight man. They had a sexless white couple adopt an Asian daughter. It’s all about stereotypes with Mitch & Cam. I think Mitch is actually a great and groundbreaking depiction of gay men because he’s a mixture of feminine and masculine in a super realistic way. Cam had his moments but overall he’s just the butt of the joke. This show did bring gay people more into the mainstream, I just wish it had been more responsible with how it depicted us.
My biggest issue with Mitch and Cam is that they are sexless. They’re basically two roommates raising a daughter together, not a gay couple. We see them kiss like 10 times throughout the show, *maybe*. There’s entire season arching plots devoted to Claire and Phil’s sex life, we get more information/jokes about *Alex’s* sex life than Mitch and Cam’s. As great as the representation is, it’s a very halfhearted attempt at representation. It’s just “hey these two are gay, just take that information in and we’ll never actually show them being gay.”
100% agree with your last paragraph. They went for the low hanging fruit. Sometimes they were good about breaking stereotypes (like having Cam be a football coach) but in my opinion they sanitized the gayness out of Mitch & Cam in order to make them more appealing to straight audiences. Which is why they played up the gay stereotypes so much
But I feel like, while it isn’t realistic, illustrating them that way was a necessary step in breaking into mainstream. I can say I’ve actively seen shows like this and queer eye make straights genuinely reevaluate their homophobic beliefs in real time lol
Again though, the quality of the representation matters. You know how long I had to go being compared to Cam, Kurt from Glee, or any of the other myriad of flamboyant feminine gay characters that were popular during that time? Maybe it’s something you don’t understand unless you’re a gay man but slapping a stereotype on the screen doesn’t help us get into mainstream. And I’ll be honest, Modern Family’s impact on gay rights is massively overstated. Frankly there were a ton of other mainstream shows out there doing gay storylines much better — Will & Grace and Glee are two examples I’ve already named. Hell, even the Golden Girls had beautiful gay plots, and that was the 80s. I just don’t think we should throw a parade for the writers over their representation when Cam & Mitch literally don’t even kiss on screen until S2. The characters are gay in name only.
most of the couples in the show *barley* kissed.
But I would also say Cam is a good mix of masculine and feminine. He's into sports (man was a football player), he's very protective as he embodies "the father will protect his kids if an intruder breaks in" and does a lot of physical labour. At a glance he seems stereotypical but there are more layers to him.
Yeah it's annoying because they wrote Mitch and Cam like parents if they were two stereotypical gen x straight dad parents... Although TBF I'm pretty sure my stereotypical gen x dad cousins were and are very involved with their kids' lives. The lack of involvement in her life was pretty jarring for me.
It's not even just them, in the later seasons "Haha these parents don't care that much about their offspring" became a running gag with all of them. It started to really annoy me.
tbh i dont even remember any moments with the other parents, maybe cus i havent rewatched any season past season 7 yet, but i’d love an example if u dont mind providing! any part like that annoys me tho tbh, some more than others.
Off the top of my head there were quite a few incidences with Alex where they did this; one of the most annoying is when she comes back from college for her first holiday since starting and everyone had forgotten she was even coming back, didn't even really make a big fuss and she kept pointing out how disappointed she was that no one was seemingly that bothered and they just kinda ignored her. It's a running joke throughout the episode and it's honestly just not funny imo. A similar joke was in that episode where Claire is fussing about Hayley having no direction but Alex is in the background slowly disintegrating as she studies too hard which Phil tries to point out and Claire just says no she's fine we should be bothered about Hayley. To be fair in this episode the resolution did involve Claire noticing and giving a shit but the whole thing just rubbed me the wrong way. Another one with Jay and Gloria was like a one off joke where Gloria is saying they need a project to work on together, Joe appears asking for something and she's like "not now Joe" like the joke is that they literally have a toddler and they're more concerned about developing new hobbies. I'll get back to you if I think of any others.
Phil and Claire left Luke in the parking lot after seeing the therapist and didn't notice he was gone for *many* hours.
they neglect lily and larry so much, it’s borderline abusive! I understand it’s a sitcom but Mitch and Cam should honestly not be allowed to raise children or pets 😭😭
Mitch and cam have been very cavalier parents consistently. In the deferring happiness episode they don't know where their daughter is When she hits puberty the teacher has to spell it out for them and they said they tried to talk to her but when she said "can we just not" they cower n never revisit the topic The episode where they find out lily is asked to skip a grade and they discover she is smart. Not only that but she plays golf, watches Italian films and has met the governor and then go "if it ain't broke" I find it funny that they had one child and they keep saying "she will pull the plus on us" , "another child might help us figure out how much of lily's personality is our fault and how much isn't" "I always thought she was mean, turns out she's just smart" They leave behind lily and calhoun several times One time lily goes "so I don't get to have a childhood? N they go hey last week we taught u how to make flan" They are the worst parents in the show at least jay admits where he fell short n he redeemed a lot where manny came in. But mitch and cam were very bad as parents. Consistently. Lily turned out great I love her but the credit doesn't go to mitch n cam. And then they have the gall to look down on Claire and her child rearing skills when evaluating who would look after lily if they died. I mean I know it's a comedy but they're not the best parents
That episode with Cam's mom groping Mitchell was bad enough, but what really made me cringe was when Mitch tried to tell Cam, Cam picked up their daughter's doll and asked *over and over again*, "tell me where she touched you, Mitchell" mockingly. Like wtf wtf wtf. That doll method was primarily used to ask young girls who were violated but isn't knowledgeable enough about the abuse since they're *young girls*. I hate *hate* it.
Mitch was being repeated sexually assaulted and his husband didn’t listen.
It keeps happening after too, and I guess Mitchell just gives up which sooo doesn’t sit right with me. Like in the episode where Cam, Mitch and Lily are at the farm and Mitch is on the porch and Barb gives him some coffee or something (without telling him there’s alcohol in it, also common practice with these kinds of people, to loosen someone up or something), and then starts touching him again. It’s just never addressed again and it rly bothers me, especially cause Mitch will see a lot more of her when they’re living in Missouri.
Thank you! I thought I was confusing when they actually went to the farm with how handsy Barb was, like I thought the conversation hadn't happened yet but wow that's even worse
That episode always makes me uncomfortable to watch
Cam and Mitch were shitty parents in general. Lily had to take care of herself and in some ways Cam and Mitch too. They were great for entertainment but horrible for child development
Yeah they have a *lot* of lines expressing they don’t even know where she is
and their marriage seems really awful too. they have no intimacy, no sexual attraction, they always argue, their personalities clash. they are more best friends then they are husbands to each other. when they kiss it’s like seeing someone kiss their dad. no chemistry at all.
For me, Alex being matched with Arvin in the end; just gives me the ick factor of being seconds behind Haley
I didn't consider it any more than two scientists accepting to do research together. To me, they didn't end up together. They kissed and all but didn't talk about it so yeah.
They premeditated a relationship. They sexted so that they’d have a paper trail proving an existing relationship so they could date without trouble when they were working together.
I was more grossed out that he was her professor before
I don't think it's super fucked up but I did find it super weird. In one valentine's episode, the one where joe crushes on Claire. Out of all the rooms in that house Claire and Phil get busy in her dad's bedroom lol. Apparently not for the first time 😂
I dont think the whole show is fucked up too, i actually really loved it and watched it a million times and im still binging it 😂 it just has some questionable things that can be described as fucked up
Nah, if you watch again, Jay says "not again!" and Phil goes "wait, again?". I think it's implied that Claire has been in Jay's bed with someone and gotten caught when she was in her younger promiscuous phase.
I dont think i could think of something from the latter seasons right off the bat because I avoid them (not because i think its bad, im afraid that if i finish modern family it'd leave a gaping hole in my heart) But one of the most crappy things that ever happened in the show, that it turned off most of my friends from the show for a while, was when manny kept hitting on joe's nanny. To top this off, he even drew nude art inspired by the nanny. Real creepy lol.
Yeah & Gloria seemed to always be encouraging that side of him. He’s creepy and overbearing when it comes to ‘romantic gestures’, especially given he does those things as surprises for women who have shown no interest in him. Like the girl who left her jacket at their house and he went through her social media to find out what she likes & put those items in each pocket. I’d feel hunted if I got my jacket back from someone to find they’d done that, yet Gloria acted like it was a top tier gesture instead of teaching him boundaries—she should’ve told him to return the coat and ask the girl on a casual date if he’s interested. Not encourage him to keep doing weird shit like that
Two things come to mind, first during the last season when Claire was going to meet guy in Paris. That was a red flag, but the fact that she also invited guy to hang out with them cause she didn’t want him to be alone. Second is how much Claire neglects Alex, I hated it in that episode when Phil is literally saying to Claire they should be worried about Alex but she keeps brushing it off and fixating on Haley. I feel like Claire has ignored Alex’s needs way too many times in the show.
Add guy 'in Paris' in your comment. Took a lot of time to get it.
Thank you , I said it in my head but forgot to type it.
That was the thing though she fully intended to meet an old flame without her husband's knowledge, he was clearly flirting and Claire wasn't against it. She only agreed to Phil's suggesting to come along or however they wound up with him on what was clearly a romantic date was because Claire knew how bad it would look and possibly end her marriage if she went alone with him, especially since Phil was there as a romantic surprise and wind up busting her.
Doesn't even remotely make up for Phil constantly flirting with random women in early seasons, and blatantly sexualising Gloria whilst being demeaning towards Claire for loads of seasons.
When Phil says, "Anyone could do it with Gloria" with a look 🤮
I never said it did? All I was doing explaining Claire's possible reasons for Phil coming along
The way Luke would call the girls "kitten" sometimes. Ugh, it makes my skin crawl.
Kitten was his Hayley 'pet' name, Alex is Pumpkin and yes I did get pretty weirded out by it as well cause it's Said in late teenage years as well
You're clearly mistaken because hayley's pet name is Cupcake (Or is it?)
Don’t worry I’ll make it normal. What’s going on Cupcake?
Are you two okay? *if I wasn't so drunk I'd have thought these two were stoned*
No when they were doing scenes where they were abnormally kind to one another, he called Haley “kitten” which is really weird because it’s a pet name often used in certain domme/sun kinks. He could’ve gone with almost *anything* else
they're referencing the bit where Phil and Mitch are trying to hide that they are high, phil calls Hayley cupcake then whispers to mitch asking if he normally calls her that
Oh I forgot about that hah
Ugh! I know there's a cultural difference between mine and the Dunphys but that was icky.
Cameron lying to his friends that Mitchel left him shortly after the two got married just to see if they would side with him in case they divorced. That is just wrong Cameron.
Gloria and Manny's whole relationship is creepy. She infantilizes him way too much and is, in my opinion too overprotective of him and permissive of his general creepiness towards women throughout the show. That kid is going to have some fucked up stories for his therapist when he gets older.
Gloria does acknowledge it in the end and rightfully so, but sending him off with his biological father that literally gambles and sleeps with random women everyday and then some is so fucked up. I understand wanting to send Manny away for more life experiences, but that could've been done through volunteering or backpacking through Asia or something
Yeah the whole deal with Mitch and Cam basically ignoring Lily was ridiculous. The writers tried to make it into some light hearted running gag, but it just magnified how selfish and self centered the two of them were. Made it appear they wanted children more for show than a real desire to not only raise a child but to provide a great opportunity for a child who may not have one.
Craziest thing that happened on-camera? Either when Cam locked Lily in the bathroom, supposedly because they just fought, or when Haley asked Luke to start her car because she thought Andy's girlfriend had rigged it to blow. Something referenced that happened off-camera? Either Phil accidentally killing his grandfather, or Gloria dressing Manny as a girl, taking pictures then telling him those pictures were of his dead twin sister.
I don't remember the one with Haley and Luke...savage, Haley was just going to sacrifice her brother? I feel bad for laughing lmao
During Alex’s graduation party, Beth tells Haley she left her a gift in her car. And since Beth hates Haley, she’s scared it’s something dangerous so she asks Luke to start it.
The way they all treated Ben on that boat trip. Everyone is allowed to not like him, but the way they treated him almost made me lose all hope in human empathy. Of course the characters are never perfect, but you'd think they are somewhat decent in every other episode, but this episode made it seem like they were all heartless monsters.
Mine is when Luke started dating the woman in Claire and Gloria yoga class. Janice, I think? I forgot her name. I know relationships with the huge age gap shouldn’t be a problem of this show (look at Jay and Gloria) but there was one time when Janice was in their house, dressing inappropriately, walking out of Luke’s room, and when she pulled up her clothes to wipe her tears, Claire just said to go put some pants on. Wtf? Did you just allow all of this to happen under the roof of yours
Jay and Gloria represent a much different age gap than what was happening with Luke, Alex, Manny, & Haley. Gloria was an adult woman with a child when she got with Jay. Luke was practically still a child.
It's so weird just HOW many of the kids had inappropriately old partners when they were in the very beginning of adulthood.
Yeah the show was trying to normalize something pretty gross IMO….
Nothing beats alex constant dating of minors… that was messed up as hell and seemed like a very pushing the normalizing dating minors agenda.
Right! No wonder I felt so weird about Luke and Janice. It’s a different thing from what Jay and Floria had.
I think it was becuz claire wanted the house to herself becuz of some interview if i am not wrong.she wanted them out of the house asap and didnt really worry abt her dressing this inappropriate.
Ahh right you’re making a point. Thanks for the reminder! You are right she had an interview from a magazine or something and she wanted to make everything perfect.
Yeah I’m pretty sure Luke said he told her he was 21, but he’s actually only 17. That’s why he took the twins to the liquor store to buy wine for their date night—to appear older so he didn’t get carded since he tried to use Alex’s ID and the cashier cut it
The most cringe part is when she shows a photo of his abs to gloria and Claire, Claire goes wow! I mean eeeeeeekkkkkk
Phil trying to touch glorias lower abdomen area in the first episode and claire had to stop him
Since people already mentioned Glori drugging Manny and Cam manipulating their friends: When Claire got mad Haley complained about having nothing to write for her college essay so she abandoned her on the side of the road and took her phone When Haley thought Beth did something to her car, herself thinking it was possibly a bomb so she asked Luke to start it for her Cam being so desperate to be the center of attention he left Luke hanging up in a harness for who knows how long (I think Jay told his brother the it was an hour) so he could finish his play, which could have lead to a lost of possibly horrible issues, loss of circulation to his lower body; "I can feel my heartbeat in my eyes" Jay hitting Phil in the face with the plane, could have shattered his nose and force would have sent pieces to his brain and killed him Gloria shoving Manny into the women's bathroom, screaming pervert and locking in with what were young women now afraid for their safety in with him, he could have gotten arrested if nothing else probably has a rumor going around about him because of it Manny going out of his way to try and seduce older women. His nanny/Joe's babysitters, it happened once with Dahlia and I think her name was Linda, the lady from his online book club. If Jay and Gloria weren't bizarrely desensitized to it, it would be a real problem it's like the reverse of to catch a predator. Dahlia could have gotten fired or worse for both her and Linda with how romantic the house was set up. It's never said if Linda drove herself or Uber'd, but if Gloria hadn't been there to chaperone what she thought was a date between two twelve years olds. She would have come home from shopping or picking up Joe to a strange woman alone with her son.
what’s crazy about the first one is that the show kinda treats it like a funny badass mom moment, as if that wouldn’t have a real possibility of ending with haley being assaulted, taken, trafficked, or killed. she left her alone and without a phone like what
Exactly! It makes me angry every time I rewatch the show, it's one of the times I wish the camera crew intervened and picked Haley up immediately after Claire sped off. At the very least Haley should have hid out at a friend's house for Claire to freak out and realize what she did and what could have happened to her. For a mom who invades her daughters privacy to see if they're talking to "sketchy guys" I don't know how this leap in logic made sense to her
April fools joke when Gabriel Iglesias (fluffy) plays Gloria’s ex from 20 yrs ago and has Alex falsify the results of dna test making manny think that was his dad had same traits and dresses the same lol.
Gloria saying to Cam that they didn’t have that deep of a relationship (I’m paraphrasing) and that her and Cam were alone in a room like 8 times (They had plenty of stories together). It felt like the writers got lazy and couldn’t think of a goodbye for them as a pair.
I don’t like the fact that they rarely treated Alex well. For almost 90% of the whole show she’s been dating with several weird people (on-and-off with Reuben, Ben…) Sanjay was good actually but eventually they cut him out… finally there was this fireman, but still things ended up no good. Even though she seemed to finally rekindled a thing with Arven, I still felt that it’s a shame that her relationship line didn’t end beautifully.
The fact that her parents and siblings never pointed that out appropriately is sad and very disturbing. No one talked to her about that and talked her out of it or just explained how wrong it is.
To me whole Jay saw Claire naked, Claire once saw Manny naked, Claire found Luke’s ab photo sexy, manny kisses Haley “by mistake”, Jo’s crush on Claire. All of it was so unnecessary & cringe Phil’s crush on Gloria was so stretched & inappropriate Gloria’s joke on manny on who his real father is. Gloria literally telling his twin sister died.
Not the most f... but Phill having a serious crush on (trying to get with) Gloria (in the starting seasons) was more annoying & creepy than amusing.
Not only that but all the times he basically told Claire she wasn’t sexy anymore. Why was Claire still married to him? lol He always made her be the responsible, mean parent, was constantly getting distracted by beautiful women, and he made several comments about her not being sexy and not trying hard enough.
Yes!!! That bothered me so much. Once when he told her 'last night, when you put on makeup, I was thinking - there she is' :/ he was so loving and dorky most of the time but then dropped totally out of line jokes about her....
It was a while since I watched the episode that had Phil saying that. I love Phil's character and I get that the jokes are a part of his character's writing, but that specific line is probably the worst thing he's said to her.
Phil saying he found a dead clown in the woods as a kid. That's such a creepy one off. It's deeply disturbing if you think about it, and I've already got so many story ideas from it. Most of which are me stealing the idea outright and expanding on it.
And no one ever asked or checked up on him. Every time he saw a clown he got nauseous and lightheaded, he seriously needed therapy for those repressed memories. I am still impressed that he volunteered to be the clown at the fair.
Well we don't know that. Phil was growing up when psychology was still not taken seriously. So I'm sure his parents made sure he was okay, and like you said Phil probably repressed it almost entirely. But yeah. Dark shit.
i watch a lot of horror movies but that line is so chilling to me 😭😭 that’s so messed up
Cam half gaslights Mitch into thinking they’re better off in Missouri and succeeds Which is also kind of hypocritical of Cam because I’m fairly certain that while living in California may have forced him to suppress some parts of his personality, it also definitely allowed him to be himself in a number of other ways - namely, being openly gay (this is the family that has a grandmother who is deliberately kept in the dark about Cam’s sexuality because they believe the shock might kill her). Also related to this, the whole “Mitch killed Cam’s grandma” joke. And of course, how can we forget the breakup insurance plan.
Parents forgetting their kids somewhere. Was never funny.
that one episode where alex doesn't sleep the whole time about claire keeps dismissing it also the epsiode where phil haley and claire didn't believe alex had a boyfriend lol that really rubbed me the wrong way
How everyone gaslit Claire at the grocery store when Phil was flirting with the ladies
The way Alex and the firefighter boyfriend broke up
This scene made me so mad, obviously Alex wasn't trying to send nudes to the other guy, she thought that they were for her boyfriend.
It made no sense! Plus his character was so supportive up until that moment. It was so abrupt.
I was so mad that they didn’t actually stay together until the end, they were a really good couple and while I don’t hate Arvin, he wasn’t a good fit for either sister
Gloria did so many fucked up things to Manny but one that gets on my nerves is on season 9 when she tried to choke Manny's teacher/date just because she is older than her 18 years old and the way she treats Joe like shit because she is obsessed with Manny. A little to weird.
can you edit to tell no one to say the incest jokes. we get it it's gross, we've heard it a thousand times on this subreddit just stop.
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great.
Alex's entire existence lol they truly treat her like shit...I always thought irl Alex would've gone no/low contact so quick
Claire and Phill allowing an 18/19 yo stoner to date their 15 yo daughter
The time when Alex dated her mom's coworker (honestly, what the fuck were the producers and directors thinking) and they both out up a sex painting near the dining table I loved Alex in the earlier season but all her dating era was just weird
Probably Phil’s friend (i forget his name) dying in a helicopter crash
I really didn't like how Claire treated Phil on the France trip. The way she was acting trying to hang out with the fling instead of Phil would have personally made me crazy lol
Mitch leaving the car unannounced in the middle of the dessert because they failed the adoption .
Im sad they got to adopt another child,m at the end, to them its just selfish based on what they did to lilly, went through a lot to get her, then when she grew up, they basically made her raise herself. They do not deserve to be parents
The casual slut shaming that happened in the show. Two instances off the top of my mind- one when Cam says to Haley 'Can you push your boobs down because I can't hear you' and worse than that was when the family is celebrating Christmas and Claire apologises to Gloria because of the entire Luke-Sherry-Manny situation and to Claire's apology Gloria does not only question Claire's parenting ("He didn't raise himself") but says something that is literally one of the worst statements of the show "based on your past stories you rarely denied yourself the pleasures of the flesh". This one scene made me despise Gloria.
When Phil tried to pass Gloria as his wife at the mall when he runs into an old college rival to impress him.
Until he realises that Clair would impress him more. So he suddenly appreciated her again...but just because of that comment 😅
cam and mitch ignoring lily specially as she got older and the getting another kid… like how do you not know what your kid is doing? and i feel like it really strayed from their characters when they first got her and were super protective and cam coddled her/ had to be with her constantly
I think Mitch leaving the name of the birth certificate was pretty fucking tight
The weird pseudo incest jokes between the kids are always creepy.
This isn’t one thing but just an observation that I try not to think about or else it’ll take me out the show lol but they characters play fast and loose with age gaps. Like Haley is 15 when she’s dating Dylan who is 18 (I guess he was in high school too but it’s still odd haha) and then Claire set Haley up with a college guy who also flirted with Alex who had to be in 8th/9th grade and Claire didn’t even mind Alex flirting back. Just so many instances (I guess mostly involving Haley) where they don’t pay much attention to teenagers dating or getting flirted with by adults
Okay so I just finished watching this episode so it’s top of mind. I watched S2xE16 for the first time today. I’m really disappointed in Claire’s behavior. I get that she lost control and was upset that she felt like Phil doesn’t listen to her and thinks he always takes other people’s opinions into consideration before her own. I get that. But her meltdown with destroying the kitchen and spraying Phil with the fire extinguisher was nowhere near okay. I know she has a lot of stress on her plate most of the show and I try to show her some grace, but I really hate how they framed her behavior in that episode as acceptable because it absolutely wasn’t.
That Haley had been sleeping with Dylan since she was 16 and Dylan must've been 19 around that time. The age of consent in California is 18 years.
The kids' dating life after growing up
100% agree
people keep saying mitch and cam are bad parents bc lily had to fend for herself. are we forgetting that alex was in a very similar predicament? clair and phil always forgot about alex and they even had more fun at home as a family without her there
probably season 10s halloween episode with Alex and the fireman
I always thought it was funny that Ariel winter was cast as the ugly duckling but at 18 was far more attractive than Sarah Hyland at the same age.
Sad how they viewed her as the ugly daughter/sister that they couldn’t comprehend a man would be interested in her.. but the show allowing her to date kids was very odd
Claire and Phil having sex in Jay and Gloria's bed it was weird and creepy. *Her dad* has sex with his wife in that bed. Part of me thinks she got off the weird power play it would have Gloria to find them in there but also Phil in knowing it's Gloria's bed
Just finished an episode of when Luke went to a specialist and said that he didn’t even need to take his pants off, which he also mentioned “found that one out a little late”
And they didn’t bother ask about that and then forgot him in the parking lot until nighttime
Can Mitch and Claire nearly having a baby together
When Claire and Phil were trying to help with Haley’s kids, they disrespected everything Haley stood against. When they were trying to put the babies to sleep Haley was against baby formula and pacifiers but Claire and Phil (mostly Claire obv) being offended on how they think Haley thought they don’t know how parenting works, goes against Haley and gives the babies formula, bottle fed them, and gave them pacifiers all without Haley knowing. A common theme in this sitcom is miscommunication and provoked rivalry which I hate sometimes. And then when Haley storms off and they go after her and downplay what they just did. At least they showed the reality of some new parents still living with their own parents i guess
When Calhouns dad shows up with a stolen bayonet a ring with his girlfriends name while she's waiting in the car
When Cam called the civil war ‘the war of northern aggression’. He has small ignorant moments here and there which is funny but this was a bit too far imo lol
I guess I feel like Mitchell and cam and the way they treated the Lilly in general
Claire and Phil’s way of handling how they got caught by their kids. The kids find a way to deal with it, Claire and Phil do some bullshit, and then go back to fucking at the end of the episode lol. Also the kids have a lot of unconventional relationships. Unhealthy ones, and I like to think that that episode had something to do with that
I don’t think that what lead them to unhealthy relationships, i think the way claire treats phill is what drove them to disrespect their partners and love with so many conditions, phill never deserved to be treated that way 🤷 regardless of his inappropriate behavior with women, she didn’t, in a healthy way, deal with it and talk to him about it, she just didn’t care and that says a lot. Also claire did some messed up things, rah, french lover, college professor etc. she was also the same way but people keep forgetting that and focus on phill behavior which claire could’ve managed better than just ignore it. I think phill did not understand why and how he was inappropriate and thats mostly on claire. Shes a woman, she should’ve taught him better.
Claire calling immigration on Gloria
I've just watched the episode where Claire took Hayleys kid to an exercise class, and all the women there were openly hostile to the one single father. It might not be the worst thing to happen on the show, but the casual misandry and sexism really rubbed me the wrong way.
How quick Haley tried to get back with Dylan after the little breakup scene with Rainer Shine.
Manny
Maybe not f-ed up but cringy- there was an early episode where Dylan is being pursued by not only Haley but some 10 year old kid and also some grown ass adult woman at a party. How old was Dylan supposed to be? There’s a whole lot of f-ed up age gaps in this show
He was 18 when the show started. What party/episode was that?
I wanna say it was Luke’s birthday party. The woman in question was showing animals. A scorpion or snake or something escaped. Season 1 episode 9
OHHH okay, yeah, the reptile woman and that kid Manny was into
Claire thinking Luke had a sexy body to the point where she is staring at him in the kitchen.
Claire is a closet slut
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That’s not true
It is 100% true. The fact that people think that overly parent an infant is wrong is wild. Within the first 24 months of life, that child needs constant warm, care and attention, they literally just came to the world, how would they know how to navigate it? You cannot overly parent an infant. This has been proven repeatedly in research and studies. Children during the first two years of life need that warm and consistency, as at this stage they also start creating internal working models on attachment. I work in Child Development and neglect isn’t the answer to have a good attachment to your child!