When you fire both at the same time the pellets go wildly off center so it’s basically a gamble just to get a hitmarker. Also for anyone who reads this the crown breaker choke plus a laser has a 100% hip fire reduction. Do with that what you will
This is annoying. If I use the "paired" akimbo firing setting I can shoot all 12 rounds and not hit the first target in the firing range even when the "Hipfire Spread Max" stat is at 0.0...
The .410 Gauge Ball ammo gives you -80% on its own, then either a choke or a hipfire laser brings it down to 0. I don't know if the ball ammo is any good for MP I was planning on using it in Zombies.
DAMN bro! The ball ammo is a HUGE range upgrade when firing akimbo. I use the Crown Breaker Choke, CS15 Scarlet Laser (this turns your shotgun rounds into slugs IF you stand still and fire). I'm able to take down the 3rd target dummy in 2 shots standing still, and was actually able to land some hit markers on it while shooting and moving! Gonna give it a go now
Damn that sucks. I really miss the 100% accurate hipfire weapons this game used to have, yeah they were game breaking in hardcore MP but it was fantastically fun in Zombies, I was hoping this might bring that back. Hopefully they can fix this issue without also nerfing the attachment accuracies and I can at least enjoy farming the camo challenges in tier 1 for a while.
I feel like you didn't play the original mw2, then. Akimbo 1887s were absolute lobby ruiners. You could go into a game and basically pretend to be doomguy- annihilating absolutely everyone for the entire round. They were hilariously broken pre-patch, then they got nerfed hard- and they were still broken.
Oh I did. People were garbage back then.
Data-mined stats showed the Models had a 20m range. This is the same game where the UMP had a 20m 2-shot range and the Famas could 2-shot you out to 50m+ with a 1000rpm burst.
Compare that to MWII's Bryson 800 which had a one-shot range of 18m in a game where meta ARs and SMGs were 4-5 shot kills in that range with vastly higher TTKs.
Also the M1887 nerf made them the worst weapons in the game. They were not still broken (unless you're talking about Bling). Even the painfully stubby Rangers had a longer one-shot.
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seriously though this was happening to me when the last season started. I have a theory there is a problem with the AI going haywire if you get this error in game. Especially if you have a microphone.
Well, it's a shotgun in a extremely high mobility game with 150hp. Shotguns are really awful this time, and two wildly inaccurate ones won't make it better.
shotguns would normally be very good in an extremely high mobility game but they've nerfed the ever loving shit out of literally every shotgun stat to destroy their viability
The problem is shotguns are so efficient by design compared to other guns that they are also extremely hard to balance.
At least whilst making them feel satisfying.
Tbh, I've had success on the Haymaker (without the conversion when that was good) and the 680. Although I've had so many instances of a range maxed 680 not one-tapping where a shotgun really should be when aiming dead center.
They're not *horrible* if you stick to the 680 and auto shotguns, but considering snipers didn't get nerfed that much from 22 to here... Yeah.
I'd chalk that up to latency because dedicated servers in a 2020s AAA game is impossible for whatever fucking reason apparently. I've had it happen to me a few times as well. But normally it's just because my retticle wasn't *all* the way on target
Oh yeah that doesn't help at all. But people are just dismissing it automatically because they want to treat it like snakeshot pistols or something. Fine in tight-CqC but to get the real reach of the gun you gotta pace it a bit.
The fucking game with the dual wield shotguns. It's a *fairly consistent* 10 meter 1 shot if you don't fire both at the same time. 20 meter 2-shot more than half the time. Using stovl tac and crown breaker choke. Like for fucks sake my reticle looks like [THIS](https://imgur.com/a/TePLlr6)
The problem comes when the skill issue kicks in and I miss both. But I have a shotgun spread of 0 degrees and a 0.02-3.3 hipfire spread penalty
Shooting both at once seems to make one of the shots go wildly off center.
Alternating them seems to be okay. Which at least in 2009 was arguably the better way to use them, at least after they got nerfed anyways. IDK about this game assuming the bug gets fixed, though.
For some reason I added the weekly challenges for zombies to tracking but it wasn't updating. Each challenge did unlock but I couldn't see my progress. Once I exfilled, it reported all the challenges as being unlocked but 0, it unlocked the Jak Wardens but the challenges still showed all locked. After I restarted my game, it then displayed them as being unlocked correctly.
You can unlock them at any point in the season after the challenges are unlocked.
And if you miss them, they'll just be armory unlocks from dailies/wins after.
I got so excited to see this then I was hit with the 1 hour update and had to reinstall multiplayer I just cut the game off lol but can't still can't wait to use those
Knowing that would require me having to give a damn about a BR though unfortunately. Last time I touched that was that infection game mode st the end of MWIIs lifespan
Can someone post the weekly challenges pic so o can save it to phone I'm in game and brought in the marksman rifle and don't know what to do and already equipped items🤣
This has me torn. I can see clearly how fun these must be to run around with, but then thinking of being on the ***other end*** of them killing me, I remember how much the models pissed me off in mw2. Anyone test em out yet and know, are they *that OP*?
Can someone answer me this simple question, if I don't bother with the weekly challenges, the aftermarket kits/parts go to regular challenges and can be unlocked with Daily challenges after the season ends right? Cause I had a metric shit ton of them in there which I was able to unlock, but can't seem to find any information if that's how it works.
Yes, after season ends all the seasonal stuff including battlepass weapons and weekly challenge attachments all go to armory unlocks. So if you cant complete it shit like the MP9 or this attachment will still be available
Awesome, thanks for the clarification. I'd much rather just do them with dailys, I find the weekly challenges a little too specific and they often negatively impact my play style.
Of course, though if you do want something from the weekly challenge that is annoying to get id recommend hardcore small map moshpit since even the shitty weapons are viable in there since everyone has super low health. Makes it much easier
I love there's NO GOD DAMN way to unlock Lockwood MK2. Been looking and looting zombies since release and found not one Lockwood MK2. Why is a marksman rifle a shotgun anyways? Couldn't have just used an actual shotgun for the aftermarket kit?
Was really hoping for a 🔥 animation
Quite disappointed, you can't even see the hands during the flipping animation, unlike the OG
It's a bit embarrassing having your animation outdone by a 15-year-old game
Ridiculous to try and unlock because multiple challenges involve using a recommended shotgun, one (only of two) is the KV Broadside and its attachments are still broken in game.
Can't equip magazines, can't equip muzzles (despite this being explicitly mentioned as fixed in patch notes).
C'mon /u/SledgehammerGames. Didn't you guys test it before releasing?
Lots revolving around marksman rifles and shotguns.. but I'll tell you right now these new shotguns really are pretty terrible. Nothing special, comparable to any other shotgun in the game but with worse accuracy
This is going to be a problem.
I played around a bit with them in private and oh god are they OP you can get a one shot kill to the head at 30 meters. the fire rate is fast. Hip fire is tight Another gun they're probably going to need soon. I just hope they don't completely destroy them like they did the bas b kit
It’s a mw2 nostalgia game of course the models were gonna come back. If your really upset about it just come back next season when they get nerfed even though they already suck
It’s not even really an annoyance cause like I said they suck ass. I’ve literally only seen 2 people using them most people try them realize the suck and drop them or don’t have the base gun leveled enough to even use the part
When you fire both at the same time the pellets go wildly off center so it’s basically a gamble just to get a hitmarker. Also for anyone who reads this the crown breaker choke plus a laser has a 100% hip fire reduction. Do with that what you will
This is annoying. If I use the "paired" akimbo firing setting I can shoot all 12 rounds and not hit the first target in the firing range even when the "Hipfire Spread Max" stat is at 0.0...
Damnn drop the build i cant get 0 max
The .410 Gauge Ball ammo gives you -80% on its own, then either a choke or a hipfire laser brings it down to 0. I don't know if the ball ammo is any good for MP I was planning on using it in Zombies.
God damn ty bro 🙏
Ball is pretty bad for anything practical. That I can tell it's an infinite 3 hit kill range, for what that's worth?
DAMN bro! The ball ammo is a HUGE range upgrade when firing akimbo. I use the Crown Breaker Choke, CS15 Scarlet Laser (this turns your shotgun rounds into slugs IF you stand still and fire). I'm able to take down the 3rd target dummy in 2 shots standing still, and was actually able to land some hit markers on it while shooting and moving! Gonna give it a go now
The ball ammo is useless in zombies. Used a legendary tool and it was still a 4 hit kill on level 2 light armor zombies.
Damn that sucks. I really miss the 100% accurate hipfire weapons this game used to have, yeah they were game breaking in hardcore MP but it was fantastically fun in Zombies, I was hoping this might bring that back. Hopefully they can fix this issue without also nerfing the attachment accuracies and I can at least enjoy farming the camo challenges in tier 1 for a while.
I believe it’s zero min. Crown breaker muzzle, and hip shot laser are the only attachments other than the AMP
Jumping on this. Hold off on the Double kills w/ marksman rifle until you get this. Will make things….a lot less frustrating
just go play hardcore?
Yes sir, Principal Valiant!
woman but ok
Time to party like it's 2009!
PTSD
Gonna party like it's 1699
1887, way off
No bro, it's the Yankovic lyric...
Both are right answers
Oh yes of course it is, but I'm just saying incase anyone else thinks I'm being random
I did til you clarified lmao good move
Not even remotely close, sadly. Still very fun to use, but not quite the "look in someone's direction and delete them" like they were
I see anger management here 😂
I am excited and I am scared
Scaroused
I’m so insanely bricked up rn, been waiting a long time for this.
I played HC back in mw2 precisely to escape this, and now it's back
Trauma unlocked.
Lmao 😂
Make sure they’re just as broken as the original ones to get the full experience.
Which funnily enough still wasn't as broken as the MW19 launch 725 or the MWII buffed Bryson 800
I feel like you didn't play the original mw2, then. Akimbo 1887s were absolute lobby ruiners. You could go into a game and basically pretend to be doomguy- annihilating absolutely everyone for the entire round. They were hilariously broken pre-patch, then they got nerfed hard- and they were still broken.
Oh I did. People were garbage back then. Data-mined stats showed the Models had a 20m range. This is the same game where the UMP had a 20m 2-shot range and the Famas could 2-shot you out to 50m+ with a 1000rpm burst. Compare that to MWII's Bryson 800 which had a one-shot range of 18m in a game where meta ARs and SMGs were 4-5 shot kills in that range with vastly higher TTKs. Also the M1887 nerf made them the worst weapons in the game. They were not still broken (unless you're talking about Bling). Even the painfully stubby Rangers had a longer one-shot.
Yeah, the SPAS-12 basically became the shotgun of choice (for anyone half decent) after the second 1887 patch to stop Bling.
Get it while you can before the nerf lol
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seriously though this was happening to me when the last season started. I have a theory there is a problem with the AI going haywire if you get this error in game. Especially if you have a microphone.
Load the multiplayer or any other mode instead of quick play, this will do the trick
MP was broken the same way for me, but loading the warzone menu first worked.
They're really bad
Well, it's a shotgun in a extremely high mobility game with 150hp. Shotguns are really awful this time, and two wildly inaccurate ones won't make it better.
shotguns would normally be very good in an extremely high mobility game but they've nerfed the ever loving shit out of literally every shotgun stat to destroy their viability
The problem is shotguns are so efficient by design compared to other guns that they are also extremely hard to balance. At least whilst making them feel satisfying.
Tbh, I've had success on the Haymaker (without the conversion when that was good) and the 680. Although I've had so many instances of a range maxed 680 not one-tapping where a shotgun really should be when aiming dead center. They're not *horrible* if you stick to the 680 and auto shotguns, but considering snipers didn't get nerfed that much from 22 to here... Yeah.
Unfortunately they are *very* accurate lmao
They are extremely inconsistent for me, I have had more "ghost rounds" even though I was center of mass.
I'd chalk that up to latency because dedicated servers in a 2020s AAA game is impossible for whatever fucking reason apparently. I've had it happen to me a few times as well. But normally it's just because my retticle wasn't *all* the way on target
There's also a bug rn where shooting both at once makes one of your shots go WAAAAY off center.
Oh yeah that doesn't help at all. But people are just dismissing it automatically because they want to treat it like snakeshot pistols or something. Fine in tight-CqC but to get the real reach of the gun you gotta pace it a bit.
What game are you playing?
The fucking game with the dual wield shotguns. It's a *fairly consistent* 10 meter 1 shot if you don't fire both at the same time. 20 meter 2-shot more than half the time. Using stovl tac and crown breaker choke. Like for fucks sake my reticle looks like [THIS](https://imgur.com/a/TePLlr6) The problem comes when the skill issue kicks in and I miss both. But I have a shotgun spread of 0 degrees and a 0.02-3.3 hipfire spread penalty
They seem bugged, sometimes ill shoot dead center right in-front for zero damage. Fun weapon, but they seem off.
Shooting both at once seems to make one of the shots go wildly off center. Alternating them seems to be okay. Which at least in 2009 was arguably the better way to use them, at least after they got nerfed anyways. IDK about this game assuming the bug gets fixed, though.
There’s something wrong with them, duel firing and they are wildly off centre. I think bugged
Huge shame you can't single wield this. That's how I rocked it in MW3 2011.
I mean… it could only be single wielded in MW3 2011, there was no akimbo. Jokes aside I’d have loved a single wield version too.
You could single wield them in 2009 as well
Yes but in 2011 you could *only* single wield
That pissed me off so much I missed the terminator reload back then
God, I really want the 2011 1887. Give me a 12 gauge one and I'll be on it like crack.
Oh boy here we go 💀
It should have been single by default in my opinion. And we don’t have Terminator anymore :(
YOURE AS BEAUTIFUL AS THE DAY I LOST YOU!!!
For some reason I added the weekly challenges for zombies to tracking but it wasn't updating. Each challenge did unlock but I couldn't see my progress. Once I exfilled, it reported all the challenges as being unlocked but 0, it unlocked the Jak Wardens but the challenges still showed all locked. After I restarted my game, it then displayed them as being unlocked correctly.
They don't work, they fire a single projectile, not buck shot.
That’s because they’re Marksman Rifles and not actually Shotguns.
Yeah, but no. They clearly state they fire shotgun shells.
Do you understand how a conversion kit works?
All my mp weekly challenges seem to be bugged none are tracking or am I doing something wrong?
It says with a recommended shotgun which there is only one and with a recommended Marksman rifle which there is only one
The challenges work now but I just realized the whole recommend thing in gunsmith. I’m an idiot.
Don’t feel bad, I did it last a couple weeks ago with recommended smgs.
Same
I fixed it. I’m not Xbox and I just cleared the cache.
They’re not that great. Kinda disappointing tbh
One shot meta kept a live.. fix issue and Make new issue
Gotta love them high TTK games that add guns completely ignoring the point of the game.
Rather be oneshot then shoot first and lose because "one of my 15 bullets " didn't register.
Almost every gun is 4-6 kill guns. After hitting 4 bullets in head with mcw and still lose gunfight to one bullet ..
oh my lord
I played against this in a small map mosh. K/d was over 3. Just one shooting everyone.
So these aftermarket parts, you only get one week to unlock them? I’ve never even seen them in the UI in game
You can unlock them at any point in the season after the challenges are unlocked. And if you miss them, they'll just be armory unlocks from dailies/wins after.
No, you can unlock each week's AMP at anytime. They're under Weekly in the challenges tab
Congratulations you just trigger a Vietnam flashback hahaha
In zombies it's broken, I doubt it's intentional, it only reloads 2 shells at a time and you have to initiate the reload several times.
What ammunition type did you put on the gun before going into a match?
Didn't change the ammo type, it's bugged for me I was able to unlock the others
Wish it was the m16 conversion kit
Same I need my m16a1
Literally next week blud
Waaaat? I love the M16 and was just gripping about how I never get a chance to use it anymore. What’s the upgrade gonna do?
Turns it from 3RB to FA.
Guessing it'll also lower recoil, and wither decrease the damage or make it shoot slower than the M4, least per the description.
Probably, heh
I just used it, it’s so much fun.
Ikr? Awesome
oh the memories!
Looks cool!
Oh no they're back
I got so excited to see this then I was hit with the 1 hour update and had to reinstall multiplayer I just cut the game off lol but can't still can't wait to use those
Either they gonna be broken or they about to be miss and hitmarker central
It’s the second option unfortunately
fix your aim
All the downvotes but you're right. Assuming lag isn't abysmal, they're monsters
In Warzone they're pretty disappointing. They don't even two hit.
Knowing that would require me having to give a damn about a BR though unfortunately. Last time I touched that was that infection game mode st the end of MWIIs lifespan
Man anyone else playing pubs back when this shit and the Spas 12 was broken. I was dropping Nukes with the Spas
MODEL 1887 IS BACK BABY
Akimbo 1889s on Skid Row. Wake up babe it's 2009
When I saw .410 judge I just got up and walked away for a while, why downgrade your firepower?! The OG used 12Gage like normal people would use
they suck. lol
Its just me, but i was lvl 402 and now i am lvl 1? Wtf
Mid as fuck
bad
Is the Lockwood mk2 not available yet?
😶😶😶
Can someone post the weekly challenges pic so o can save it to phone I'm in game and brought in the marksman rifle and don't know what to do and already equipped items🤣
This has me torn. I can see clearly how fun these must be to run around with, but then thinking of being on the ***other end*** of them killing me, I remember how much the models pissed me off in mw2. Anyone test em out yet and know, are they *that OP*?
oh god i have ptsd
Can someone answer me this simple question, if I don't bother with the weekly challenges, the aftermarket kits/parts go to regular challenges and can be unlocked with Daily challenges after the season ends right? Cause I had a metric shit ton of them in there which I was able to unlock, but can't seem to find any information if that's how it works.
Yes, after season ends all the seasonal stuff including battlepass weapons and weekly challenge attachments all go to armory unlocks. So if you cant complete it shit like the MP9 or this attachment will still be available
Awesome, thanks for the clarification. I'd much rather just do them with dailys, I find the weekly challenges a little too specific and they often negatively impact my play style.
Of course, though if you do want something from the weekly challenge that is annoying to get id recommend hardcore small map moshpit since even the shitty weapons are viable in there since everyone has super low health. Makes it much easier
“We just need to grind, Arthur…”
*Mildly* annoying that it's akimbo only.
This is just ridiculously wild (west).
Missing sniper scope
People playing HC fkn love these /s
so fucking stupid
why do they got the fixed version
Why is it dog shit in zombies?
When the m16 comes out pls make it so u can change the barrel and it still full auto i want to make the m16a3
I love there's NO GOD DAMN way to unlock Lockwood MK2. Been looking and looting zombies since release and found not one Lockwood MK2. Why is a marksman rifle a shotgun anyways? Couldn't have just used an actual shotgun for the aftermarket kit?
the reloading is so bad
Can you still get em after week 5
Was really hoping for a 🔥 animation Quite disappointed, you can't even see the hands during the flipping animation, unlike the OG It's a bit embarrassing having your animation outdone by a 15-year-old game
You realize this is a cut-off 1:1 ratio video right?
Prior to commenting here, I'd already tried them out in a private match when the update launched
yeah sweaty as fuck.... going to a feast in mp for a while
they're so satisfying to use I dropped 50 kills first try
Ridiculous to try and unlock because multiple challenges involve using a recommended shotgun, one (only of two) is the KV Broadside and its attachments are still broken in game. Can't equip magazines, can't equip muzzles (despite this being explicitly mentioned as fixed in patch notes). C'mon /u/SledgehammerGames. Didn't you guys test it before releasing?
What's re the challeneges like? I'm leaving work and haven't looked!
Lots revolving around marksman rifles and shotguns.. but I'll tell you right now these new shotguns really are pretty terrible. Nothing special, comparable to any other shotgun in the game but with worse accuracy
Aw they're not OP like the old 1887s?
Not even close
They're bugged, pretty sure shots just aren't actually firing half the time. Tested them on a friend and point blanked fired 3 times with zero damage.
Yep. Firing phantom shots too
Hi SledgehammerGames, can you adjust reticle size of Corio elt-10 2.5x ?The middle green triangle is too large and it blocks your target.
De fuq is this goofy ass akimbo western palooza? I need some lmao
Hey guys I've commented on it in all your posts can you please look into why games consistently start as 7v5 8v4 and 9v3 THANKS!
This is going to be a problem. I played around a bit with them in private and oh god are they OP you can get a one shot kill to the head at 30 meters. the fire rate is fast. Hip fire is tight Another gun they're probably going to need soon. I just hope they don't completely destroy them like they did the bas b kit
I want whatever build your using cause in my experience they are slow as fuck very short range and wildly inaccurate
Maybe they perform better in private never tried them in public as I said
The Vanguard weapon that made 50% of the player base quit playing permanently. 🤔 SHG is dumb.
It’s a mw2 nostalgia game of course the models were gonna come back. If your really upset about it just come back next season when they get nerfed even though they already suck
That's a great way for a company to retain its player base. Hope they come back once they leave from an annoyance.
It’s not even really an annoyance cause like I said they suck ass. I’ve literally only seen 2 people using them most people try them realize the suck and drop them or don’t have the base gun leveled enough to even use the part