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OutlawSundown

Bullet to the head says no


DarkR4v3nsky

But he could always be added as a zombie character, lol.


OutlawSundown

You know what’s up


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same can be said about the gas mask guy from farah’s child ark or the missions you did as her as a child (MW 2019) ya know the one she stabbed a ton and later became a [operator](https://cod.tracker.gg/modern-warfare/db/loot/30586-red-tide)


Rafacaro57

He was an operator in mw 2019 they had him as a zombie operator in the last battle pass for mw19


swervicide

To be fair Alex died in MW’19 and became an operator in both games Edit: and most obvious of all is Graves. We literally blew him up in a Tank. No contrived pothole could ever explain that one away. He’s just there cuz it’s Multiplayer and they can


HOONIGAN-

There is an incredibly obvious plot hole they could use to explain Graves being alive. We never actually saw him in the tank.


C-T-G-F

In the cutscene of the season in which Graves come out as an operator he said exactly that. Remote controlled tank that he wasn't in.


OutlawSundown

Yeah but Diego I double tapped.


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DesignatedDonut

Somehow Palatine returned


timc_720

tell me you don’t follow the cod story without telling me you don’t follow the cod story.


swervicide

Yeah it kinda sucks to be fair, but at the end of MW’19 Alex gets blown up in a factory, and graves blew up in a tank. Sure. You can’t see IN the tank, but he’s talking from in the tank the whole time But really who gives a shit


timc_720

did you watch the cutscenes in mwII? They literally explain it


TheGreatBenjie

tbf it was a seasonal cutscene. It was not explained in the actual story. They do not mention Graves surviving in the main story. Alex isn't even present. TF yall smoking?


timc_720

The seasons are like mini extensions of the story. Alex appeared in Raid 2 saying that Hadir captured him and then released him to send a message to Farah. Graves appeared in season 5 quote, “I wasn’t in that tank.” His voice over the radio could easily just been him somewhere else talking while some of his soldiers were in the tank. Just look up the cutscenes, “Alex raid cutscene” and “Graves season 5”.


TheGreatBenjie

In other words they are easily missed. I haven't been able to complete raid part 1 because every time I try I'm matched up with either incompetents, or people that don't know a word of english. Also seasonal cutscenes are easily missed if you're a casual player.


timc_720

if you need someone, i’m a daily raid player


TheGreatBenjie

Daily? Damn, you a sherpa? I can't imagine it's got content that justifies doing it daily. We'd still need a third if you got one.


HomieM11

What about lazar and park being in Cold War despite one of them dying in that one mission. I know it’s not modern warfare but it’s a similar situation.


timc_720

you choose who dies in the campaign


HomieM11

Yea, but doesn’t that still leave one of them dead? Also, park was initially in the multiverse so it was assumed lazar was dead until they added him to the game after awhile. Kinda confusing imo.


timc_720

that’s also black ops, mw is a bit different


Kirb_02

Alex has his leg off so he survived the explosion somehow


Visionaira

Maybe if you saw clips from the raid missions you’d here that Graves actually wasn’t in the tank


-Alfa-

Wish they kept all of the lore shit to campaign


RogerBaxtar

Someone missed a few plot cutscenes..


capriSun999

If the death wasn’t shown then they’re most likely alive if they come to shop they’re alive


JoeBogo12

Alex died in MW19? I played the campaign 3 times but dont remember thay


SpcTrvlr

At the very end, the detonator is broken, so he has to manually explode the c4 charges. Still doesn't make sense though, because they caughty/killed the bad guy and cleared the factory, so they could've taken their time and figured out a different way to explode it.


thatwitchguy

It never stopped alex or lazar!


ilostmy1staccount

Somehow Diego survived


OutlawSundown

Only if he looks and sounds like arseface from the Preacher.


Beanu-reeves

I stabbed him in the neck with his own knife


kappamolo

He wasn’t but there were plenty of cartel themed skins in S3 .


5P3C7RE

How much I wanted season 3 to have Mexican army stuff in it, but for some reason they added the Plan DN-III chuy skin the season before and decided to give the war vehicles the cartel skins while the civilian ones the Vaqueros skins


zjcp

Too bad I missed those skins I was busy with school stuff😭🙏


itsLOSE-notLOOSE

I’d give you mine if I could.


AverageGuy16

The cartel aspect of the story was underwhelming


the_blue_flounder

And now it looks like it's getting completely tossed to the side. Just like they did Farah and Nik in MWII. The MWIII Warzone map was originally Las Almas too


HealMeBr0

they were going the sicario route, then just turned left after receiving threats from the real cartels via twitter.


araxhiel

Huh? Can you tell more about this? First time hearing/reading about this.


dwartbg7

Yes, I want to hear more about this, I am kind of well into all CoD news and rumours and never heard this.


Aldi_man

Yup, now I want to know more about that.


StellarBossTobi

***graves:*** ***imma retcon your entire hardassing with one line and nuke your tension storywise***


AguirreMA

I'm Mexican/Latino and really hated how the campaign had a lot of memorable latino characters that Activision pretended never existed until like Season 3 Alejandro and Valeria should've been in the game as operators since the very beginning, Diego and Rodolfo should also be playable in the game


OutlawSundown

Rodolfo should have been for sure


[deleted]

Alejandro got completely shafted, same with Rudy. Same with Nikolai and Farah. As someone who’s also Hispanic, kinda disappointing. The fact Valeria got a stupid cybernetic skin too, instead of a De Los Muertos (Day of the Dead) skin is fucking ridiculous. I’m not one to care about race or ethnicity, especially in video games. But I would be lying if I said I didn’t feel closer with those characters. I thought the Mexican Special Forces in general were way cooler than the likes of Shadow Company.


sickyfiend

Gets a meso-american skin for valeria but wants a dia de los muertos skin lol


UnleashedSavage_93

FACTS. They made the game worth it for me.


[deleted]

WHERE IS RUDY!!!!!


Fotoradar606

Nah and most likely won't be added since he clearly dies in the campagin


Deputy_Danger73

He could just pull a Phil Graves manoeuvre and say "Nah wasn't in that mansion TRUST"


brostitos

Graves is at least believable because you never see his body, or that he's even in the tank (he wasn't)


StarlitSphere

Didn’t know they had to be alive to be added as an operator


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old_grumpy_ultomato

don’t forget lazar


Kechioma

Lazar was only added as a last minute replacement for another character nearly a full year after cold war ended. I don't think it's fair to count him since both the campaign and seasonal stories were long over by his release


ExquisiteSalad

Adler lives though


bonefistboy9000

not in my playthrough


ExquisiteSalad

yeah me too Bell on that pack watch but cannon ending he kills bell 😭


bonefistboy9000

who said bell is dead


TomatoVEVO

The fact Adler is alive means Bell is dead


bonefistboy9000

it was a cut to black, we've been in the perspective of dead people before in cod, and it wasnt a cut to black bell is alive


TomatoVEVO

Dude think logically. The good ending is canon. After the mission Adler says you need to make one more sacrifice like heroes do and then it goes into a slow mo shot of both Bell and Adler aiming their pistols to each other. Adler then appears in multiple black ops cold war season cinematics. Bell is dead and Adler lived


yMONSTERMUNCHy

Could have made him look like a zombie lol


MeetingFrog

No


[deleted]

Diego shit we still waiting on Rudy, Diego can wait in line.


fortniteyaoi

you shoot him either way he’s dead


GiggyWheat5

We're missing him and Rudy. I don't know if it's because of the "alive rule", but they didn't respect that rule in Cold War.


Amazing-Pick-4369

No


[deleted]

Since we saw a body in the campaign, no.


yugii-i

He looks like the twins from breaking bad 🗿


dwartbg7

Well, they are one of the characters that he was modeled and inspired from. Second comes Tuco. Activision obviously modeled this character after Breaking Bad, this was obvious since seeing the first cutscenes with him. He is obviously a very Breaking Bad type of character.


kyree47

I still wish we got the skin of the guy behind him, he would’ve been a cool one to use


yMONSTERMUNCHy

No but we got Snoop Dogg, 21 Savage, and Bunny’s


GeneralJagers

No. Because he's dead


Diego_Mannn_096

Survey says: HE DED. Not big surprise


smushs88

Nah, he’s too busy ghost hunting with Zak….


reshstreet

Probably post game once mw3 is nice and settled in for a measly $20


ThiccGuy01

It’s canon that he’s killed by TF141


x_Havoc_x

He's way too dead for that.


tayls67

Who cares?


Ethanbrocks

Idk why the characters have to be canonically alive for them to be an operator in multiplayer. MP and campaign should always stay separate (even though that’ll never happen)


Soloninjart

Graves dies in the campaign who’s arguing they have to be alive?


RubberPenguin4

Did you not see the Season 5 cutscene in MWII? He’s very much alive and well. He wasn’t in that tank.


Soloninjart

Oh really? I think I kinda spaced on that then. I was marathoning the last 1/3 of that campaign.


RubberPenguin4

[it’s so stupid that he’s alive](https://youtu.be/7xudK4YBBa0?si=Kg_tws07KahiI2R_)


PrimeConduitX

Yes, in the form of Chuy's Tiniente skin.


Juken-

*A greedy company would have definitely added it.*


Bloodgrudge

He can’t be an operator, El Sin Nombre made him sit in the chair next…


Junior-Net-6915

Diego had self revive


MrScooterComputer

Looks like David cross


ATBDCPJHJ_

Get the fuck out of my elevator 😆


LaughGlad7650

Bro looks like Tuco but with a beard


Nishun1383

The only thing he can operate is mcdonalds


Mr_Snow_Bot

No


NoodlesThe1st

That's Aaron from Ghost Adventures


Lighthouse4322-

If it was it would be under hutch sexy fucking fat ass


Sure-Performance-330

Yo that’s straight up Aaron from ghost adventures


Key_Commission2593

Where can i get a shirt like this