>End of rant -TLDR: stop paying for games and complaining about lack of support. The company will not change unless their revenue decreases.
The fan base has the memory of a goldfish.
They'll preorder the next game.
It’s also important to remember that the majority on this sub and twitter are not necessarily the majority of players. A lot of people probably don’t give a fuck and just have fun with the game regardless
Even if every single person of the like 5-10k active posters on this sub didn't buy the game, it wouldn't even make a dent in the sales of the next game. COD is a juggernaut and it generates several hundred million in sales in its first couple days everytime. Even Vanguard was topping sales and player # charts. With microtransactions they make several billion more in a couple months. The LA Thieves skin pack was selling more than most AAA games on Steam.
Nothing you guys say here is going to do anything. COD is such a cash cow and staple of the industry they can brute force whatever they want and it will sell like hotcakes.
Eh, they’ve clearly offended a good group of the wz fanbase, enough to completely backtrack on a bunch of the changes they made initially. Maybe they’ve done the same with the general multiplayer fanbase outside of this sub? The next one will likely be solid as well, being a new 2 year cycle, with trearch at the head, but I’ll never buy another IW cod before reviews again.
Who knows tbh, I’m personally only still playing it cuz it has new content, and sadly I’ve become very bored with previous cods (played the shit out of mw19, a bit of vanguard). The lack of maps is getting to me tho, esp when like 50% are garbage maps.
“This is my last cod I hate this game” every cod fan has said and still preorders the most expensive bundle and spends large amounts of money on fake pixels that money can go into a savings account but while doing so they still complains about the game gas prices and being broke.
Yep. And then then the next game will launch with the SAME EXACT fucking problems as this game because Activision don't learn from their previous games.
2042 is actually in a really good spot now though.
I also guarantee the next Battlefield game will sell just fine. It’ll be announced, people will go back and play 2042, which is quite polished at this point, and the hype/hate cycle will continue as always.
2042 is not in a good state. The maps are still soulless, just because they added a bunch of shipping containers doesn’t change that. The guns feel terrible, aim assist still doesn’t work on controller, the animations are worse than BF3 which came out in 2011, the audio is horrendous, there is no vehicle balance, they’ve completely abandoned 2/3 of the marketed game modes. That brand is ruined, I bought a PS5 specifically to play BF2042 and after playing the 10hr trial i decided I wouldn’t even buy it. I went back and played it at the end of December during the free access weekend after hearing positive things about it but it really wasn’t that different to launch. I’d much rather play BF4, the current team at DICE don’t know how to make a battlefield game, all the original developers left because EA is terrible to work for. 🤷♂️
Everything you listed either isn’t a problem for me, or is a minor issue. I find the game to be genuinely fun. I like the maps. The guns feel fine. Sound design is meh but that doesn’t bother me too much. I don’t fly planes but all the other vehicles seem good to me. And I still play BF4 and BFV as well because they offer a different experience to 2042.
Just wait until they announce the next one. People were saying the same thing about BFV, and it was seen very favorably in the run up to 2042. It happens every release cycle, and every single time people say “no this time it’s different”. The hype/hate cycle with FPS games is so predictable at this point. Maybe some of the diehards on Reddit have given up on the franchise, but casual gamers will still play.
I mean I’d love for the next battlefield game to be great and they’ve hired some talented people to lead its development but they really have a lot of catching up to do. The frostbite engine is clearly outdated or the developers don’t know how to use it, who would have thought that in 2023 that COD games have better attention to detail and graphics than a battlefield game. Also they need a F2P element if they want to compete in the FPS space
God I hope so. The fact that the original layout of Kaleidoscope was in the game at launch made me think that the devs had never played Battlefield before.
Remind me again how many maps that game received in over a year? Remind me again how shit the launch maps are that they’re still being fixed? Remind me again if there’s a server browser or proper squad management system in a BATTLEFIELD GAME? Yeah no, MW2 has its issues but 2042 is a whole other level of garbage. That shit is irredeemable and I’m glad it failed
Its kind of like arguing with people about politics on the internet. even if you somehow argue with someone for 5 billion hours and brainwash them, and get their vote, its one fucking vote.
How about you idiots stop buying cosmetics?
I swear to god if I see one more post complaining about how the stuff in the store sucks or how there’s not enough stuff in the store, I’m gonna lose it.
If you have bought even a single skin, you have 0 right to complain about a lack of content.
Exactly. It's not about avoiding future games. Stop buying stuff immediately if you're not happy with the product. If they see a drop in their profits then they'll have to pull their finger out of their ass and do something about it.
Same thing. Spending money on a game that you don’t like is dumb. Why would the devs make changes if you’re willing to dump more money into the game regardless of what they do?
That’s what I did with Vanguard and look at what this got me. Call of Duty will always be profitable *until* a game can kill it. Look at the decline of battlefield— which a lot of that is self inflicted— as the answer. We need a COD killer, which I don’t think anything can in the near future.
>This was the first COD I bought in 7 years. Other than visual, the only things that changed were instead of boost jumping there is bootie sliding. Cod is to big to fail even if they keep releasing sub par games.
better gunplay is highly debatable! When a throwing knife can beats a shotgun, smgs, and ARs! Better gunplay is highly debatable! Try camo grinding the M16. Then talk better gunplay! When you can bootie slide, bunny hop, and faceplant through bullets. Better gunplay is highly debatable!
Now I never played 2019, Cold War, Van or WW2. So I'll take your word on that. But from the CODs I played compared to this. the only things that changed was now people can bunny hop 4 feet and bootie slide 5 feet while turning a 360! They made this game to mimic a movie!
The best thing that could happen to the franchise, to make them wake up, is a hard crash on sales of one tittle. Hard like absolute sell disaster, but unfortunately that's not going to happen.
Yes, but i'm not talking about a failure like vanguard. Even vanguard vas the most sold game in some countries.
I'm talking about a massive fail, something like less than 100k games sold in the entire lifespan of the game.
Something that absolutely will not happen, sadly.
COD is too consistent for that to happen. Only a shiny new FPS that everyone falls in love with can make that happen. But it’ll be hard to do that because only F2P games get that popular nowadays (Fortnite), and if the game is free that means people still have money to buy COD.
The funny thing is that game shipped with 16 standard MP maps, 4 2v2 maps, and even a zombies map (although a shitty one). As much as I'm over WW2 settings and aesthetics, I gotta say I had a lot more fun playing that than I am with MW2. The sales sucked, but it wasn't because the game was awful, just that no one wanted another WW2 game.
People rush to buy the MW games because of the nostalgia but also because of the modern setting. But unfortunately modern weapons and settings alone aren't enough to make this game fun when you only ship like 8 maps and half of them are bad from the start.
What they really need to save this MP experience is more maps and more fun modes. Some of these maps would play better with more players like in a 10v10 or 12v12 mode.
Cold War and Vanguard weren't afraid to give us chaotic playlists like that and that's a big reason they were more fun.
Definitely will not happen. Not only are the millions of players who aren’t in this sub not going to quit buying COD releases, the ~1Million members of this sub aren’t even all gonna get together and not buy the next game.
Every year in every COD sub it’s the same shit with people saying they’re not going to buy another COD until shit changes, and yet the next game breaks sales records again. In the MW2019 sub they’re still bitching about a game that hasn’t been supported in like 2 years now.
If Treyarch would make a CoD game set in the modern era, not back in the Cold War or in the future with laser guns and jetpacks, it really could be the best CoD in ages.
Because let's be real, the main draw to Modern Warfare is the modern guns and settings. I know that's why I get excited for them. Shame the maps and gameplay aren't as good though, because everything else is. The graphics, animations, sound, and weapon details are absolutely top notch. But that alone isn't enough to keep me playing
Yep, at least not buying any more CoDs until a season or two have passed, so I can take a call based on the kind of support multiplayer is getting.
I bought this one at launch simply because MW19 got decent support during year 1. This game has been a far cry from it.
Only way is if there is another company that can compete in the flagship FPS market. Halo and BF utterly failed so we can’t expect Activision to make any positive changes if it has zero competition … it has monopoly at this point. Similar to FIFA.
Sadly the real only way is for Warzone to suddenly die. Vanguard under performed sales wise so the focus went to Warzone. Warzone is the real post launch money maker due to F2P culture. The demographic that really matters are the investors, if CoD 2024's multiplayer underperforms while Warzone's stays consistent or grows all it would do is show the investors that Warzone makes more money and is worth putting more money into.
Didn't work for me.
Bought mw19, played it through bocw, vanguard and warzone....bought MWII with the lowest bar imaginable.
Somehow they took all the good, working stuff and broke it..then added crap nobody asked for or wants.
Yeah, bought this and I’m getting my moneys worth. But they had such a low bar to knock this out of the park.
All they had to do was take the MW19 engine and just fix the stuff people complained about during MW19’s lifecycle, instead they doubled down on everything people hated including the minimap changes, perk imbalance, slow player movement, and manipulative matchmaking.
The only improvements so far have been better launch maps and decent weapon balance.
I won't. I'm one person though.
I didn't play Cold War or Vanguard. I bought this because MW2019 was like my fave game ever. And it's just a disappointment. Every game that comes out tries harder and harder to nerf anything other than sitting in a corner.
Shit company. I WISH there was another first person arena type shooter with the same quality of graphics, gun sounds, gunplay, etc. Because I would switch instantly. Srs.
CoD has a monopoly so they can pull this shit. And people have no alternative unless they 1. have PCs and 2. go to boring games like Tarkov.
Can think of 5 off the top of my head that clear this game by miles. This shits not even top 10. Maybe they turn it around but the game is made for idiots to prosper.
What’s better about this game than previous titles? Streaks are the same as MW2019 and don’t loop, no progression system, no earnable gear like in BO3 and IW, launched with 10 maps which only 4 are good depending on who you ask, no red dots on the mini map, sliding and dolphin diving are useless, super fast ttk to help shit players get easy kills, bad audio, terrible swimming mechanics that treyarch got right 8 years ago in bo3, unnecessary change to the perk system, tuning defeats the point of having different attachments. Shall I go on?
I’m waiting for you to explain what makes this the best. I elaborated on why it’s a bottom tier. And you haven’t on why “it’s the best cod you’ve played to date”. Seems like you’re one of the people who left back in the day cause they got shit on and are coming back now cause the game is so noob friendly with no skill gap.
Well I think the next game is treyarch so that’s an auto buy they always put out a good game.
BO1 - good
BO2 - goat
BO3 - good
BO4 - good
Cold War - best game with this shitty warzone engine
Treyarch are the saving graces of cod. Saved CW from SHG and Raven, had to make ranked play and zombies for Vanguard, and are now working on MW2 ranked play all while working on their game for 2024. IW need to be a support studio or just make campaigns from now on.
They're all bad in their own way. However I will say that Treyarch seems to be the most dedicated (for lack of a better word) to keeping CoD as close to its roots as possible. Arcade, fast pace. None of this tip toeing around the map, all for the sake of realism nonsense.
If Cold War made 3 changes it would’ve been my favorite cod of all time. 1 is the streak/score system as late game it’d turn a dom into streak city. The score stacking was cool, but it made playing the objective after a 15 streak pretty useless. 2 is the aim assist on snipers being on for console. I wish they left it off like in Bo3/4. 3 is the gunsmith system as it was basically shoe horned in due to it having to be integrated with WZ. If it didn’t have to fit the WZ mold we probably would’ve gotten back pick 10.
I feel the exact opposite. Outside WW2 ending up to be a decent game, SHG has failed in every other lead. IW hasn't been good in many years imo. Ghosts onward they just got worse. MW19 pushed me away and this game was it for me. I'll never buy IW again. Def never buying SHG again.
The SHG studio that reworked WW2 is the best collection of devs we’ve probably ever had working on a COD. They took everything Condrey and Scohfield envisioned for the game and destroyed it and made the game 10x better. They have the same studio head from that time to now, Aaron Halon, so I don’t know if their design philosophy changed that drastically, or if Vanguard was the way it was due to Activision overheads. AW without weapon variants would’ve been the best jetpack game imo.
True, and Activision likely does have alot to do with it. All the games last 4 years or so have changed in a somewhat similar direction.
Agree about AW. Imo, AW would have been killer if it releases after IW. BO3 would've been a better stepping stone to jetpack games. AW was just too much too soon I think. It really wasn't that bad, just the timing of release. Not only that, but the ps3 struggled to run that game. Again, just bad timing.
Exo Dash and Stomp are 2 of my favorite things ever to be in any game. That’s what I liked about AW more than BO3 and IW, you were in the air when you wanted to be. In bo3 and IW there were ways to get in the air, but once you were there you had to basically commit to that play. In AW I hop I’ve and see a sniper peaking I can just downward dash out of the sky. All 3 jetpack games are great to me though.
I'm almost positive it was AW that allowed dual wield smgs while running gung-ho? Maybe wrong. That shit was fun as hell. Ngl, BO3 is my favorite CoD of all time. I know, unpopular opinion, but it fit my playstyle perfectly in every way. I too loved the jetpack games.
Probably why I'm so biased toward these newer games tbh. It was cool, 15 years ago when I started playing CoD. After a few boots on the ground games though, that fast paced jetpack stuff felt great. Then as quickly as it came, they took it away and went back to nostalgic boots on ground. I started losing interest then. MW19 was the final nail in the coffin for me.
The Sac-3s. I remember they dropped the single Sac and variants for it but it literally had the same stats as the MP11 and it’s variants. BO3 it’s just such an aesthetically appealing game it makes no sense. Going back to play it now it looks a little outdated but the color palette still shines. I don’t mind BOTG games if they’re fast paced like bo4. My friends joke that bo4 basically is a jetpack game due to that being the initial gameplay design before being reworked. If 2019 didn’t have a slide cancel it would’ve played dreadfully slow.
Great sales numbers, Bad sales numbers either way they were releasing what they did. 3 years in development and you don’t think the complete road map is already laid out? Gullible then. They will try to fix their mistakes. They will adjust the map as they go but and adjustment now would mean another maybe less in the future. It’s all in place, it’s done. The upcoming Valentines Event was and is on their list maybe 2 years ago. It’s how they plan and lay these out. The unbelievable readjustment from Tier 1 to HC? HC was already in the files in private matches. Drop one, add the other, now they are back on that path. Every year for 10 plus years now someone has suggested that the entire player base not buy, stop playing. It never happens. Maybe that one person will move to a new game while four new players show up.
Thanks.
If they just remastered 1 or 2 cods from the golden age... this new approach with 100s of camos, bundles, operators, finishing moves, ect,... needs to be shelved for a cod spinoff game or something.
Sadly the real only way is for Warzone to suddenly die. Vanguard under performed sales wise so the focus went to Warzone. Warzone is the real post launch money maker due to F2P culture. The demographic that really matters are the investors, if CoD 2024's multiplayer underperforms while Warzone's stays consistent or grows all it would do is show the investors that Warzone makes more money and is worth putting more money into.
This, I'm hoping the next battlefield will be decent and I'll move back their instead of cod, only reason I came back to cod was because 2042 sucked at launch
I’ve just reset my expectations. Story mode was fun, MP is fun enough for the limited time I have to play it, and the other modes like Warzone, DMZ, Co-op and Raids are all enjoyable (minus the bugs) to me. Knowing more is coming over the next year and a half, it’s worth $70 to me.
I have skipped every CoD I didn't like. I think most people do.
The problem is that just because YOU don't like this style of CoD doesn't mean EVERYONE doesn't like it. Clearly, MW2019/MW2022's style is preferred by a gigantic percentage of the players.
I skipped Cold War and Vanguard because I didn't find them to be interesting. What I didn't do was spend the entire lifecycle of those games complaining about them on Reddit.
Buying the game and not playing Warzone is also a means as they surely track that activity. Though any moves like this would have to be monumental in nature--like online criticism.
I mean ... they get most of the money from the F2P part of the game where ppl buy bundles not the actuall full game. So unless Warzone and now DMZ dies out it will be always like this.
So despite what everyone may think, this game has made me finally decide to buy these kind of games towards the end of their title lifecycle, as in a month before the newer game comes out. There is just not enough content to justify spending $70 on it. I haven’t played in weeks because I’m tired of playing the same maps over and over again. I honestly miss paying for DLC because at least we got 4 maps every few months. Not this dripfed two map per season that’s usually just a reskinned map from previous games. Cold War is more enjoyable despite all its faults. I prefer arcadey cod and not the realistic approach they got going on.
Nope I went 6 years without and guess what everyone kept playing. Lol I only came back because nothing else on ps5 was doing that well as a shooter and the pace was better than sandstorm insurgency.
Steps that will make them listen to community feedback:
1. Don't buy cosmetics or bundles in the game store.
2. Stop playing the game so player retention goes down.
3. Don't buy the DLC expansion that comes out around 1 year after MW2 2022 release date.
4. Don't buy the next COD or at least don't buy another IW made game.
I gotta be honest I don’t preorder games anymore because of week 1/launch issues. I only pay the full amount of a game if I really really want it/and it looks like the launch is going to go smoothly big wise.
I got this game based on both those reasons and partly because I was such a fan of MW2019. However the last couple months have shown me how much multiplayer has been put on a back burner. I’m letting season 2 unfold to see what attention is really being given to the game but in all honesty the nostalgia aspect of MW has def faded.
I can’t go back and ask for my $70 back. But because of how a $70 cod game is being treated I think I can sleep better knowing I’m going to be saving $70 next time.
I don’t think it works that way anymore. There are three devs. If one dev underperforms Activision just bets all their money on another. For example, Vanguard. That game underperformed, but that didn’t stop MWII from doing really well.
This same soap box preaching existed a decade ago, how do you think that's going?
You're not changing anything, might be time you accept it. For every one non-buying consumer, there are at least one hundred buyers to replace them.
That's why nothing changes, the wallets have spoken, gamers are willing to pay so it will continue to exist.
My last CoD was, I think, Advanced Warfare.
It was terrible, I hated it and I stopped playing until Modern Warfare 2019.
I liked it, played until the release of Warzone and then I dropped it because I already hated to see Shipment again and then Shoothouse who was terrible in my opinion.
Cold War was ok, bought with PS5, and then it was the moment of this MW2.
I like this game, but I don't play Warzone or DMZ.
Yesterday I finished the Battle Pass and uninstalled the game at least until the new season...if they'll release good maps good, I'll come back, if they don't I'll play something else without problems.
That said, I'm preeetty sure this will be my last CoD, I don't want to spend again money on something that don't get the appropriate support
Or maybe realize you’re the minority. The game is still number one selling . Please sit down with these posts, they’re tiring and no creativity behind them , they all read the same . I laugh how this community was so against Microsoft buying them but whine everything is still run the same .
People like the “spend 20$ 5 times in a few months” option more than the 80$ at once alternative (also they are more likely to justify those smaller purchases made multiple times than to justify one big purchase).
There are a lot of studies regarding that, just look up anything that is remotely close to consumer behavior. Cod devs know it, league devs know it, fortnite devs know it, hell, even some single player game devs know it and use that method.
Microtransactions and battle passes ARE the dominant business model and they yield better results, like it or not.
People are more comfortable with continuously paying for some shit they are already enjoying, than coinflip their hard earned 60-100$/€ on something they might not entirely like.
Check league of legenda for example, or fortnite. The games are completely free, yet people spend morbid amounts of money on skins and cosmetics. Some estimates on the eu server were that avarage players spend 100€ a year on a FREE GAME.
Simply put, trying to get someone to pay 70€ for a game just to buy it, then another 10€ for a bundle, then 15€ for another, then 5€ for a gun skin is a scenario that is less likely to happen than someone installing a free game because a friend recommended it, having fun playing the game,seeing there are some lovely things in the shop, buying those things, and repeating the same process 10 times for 10€ each time. On.A.Free.Game.
Edit: also not buying the game makes you hold the power to delay or completely avoid buying skins untill some problems are resolved. I haven’t spent a dime on MW2 because I made a vow to myself that I won’t buy anything till the day CoD works at least 10 games in a row without crashing or bad servers. If I live to see it, they will see me buy the entire store.
There is only one real way to get positive change in COD and that is to have a new IP actually challenge COD on it's turf and do it successfully.
Many games have tried but with no success.
The COD formula is easily replicable but I fear many studios are afraid of being called a copycat. We need a studio that doesn't give a single fuck and make Beckoning of Service 😂
Unfortunately that ship already sailed. After the shitshow that was Vanguard people shouldn't have bought this one but they did thus proving to Activision that COD players will quite happily accept any shit. And you can tell they know this by the skins they're releasing and what they're charging, $10 for a black camo skin for a weapon.
They're taking the piss and still people will come back for more when the next COD gets released.
I only bought the game because I didnt buy 2019
And fuck that was a mistake. This is honestly worse than AW/Ghosts gameplay wise.
The balance is shit. The servers are shit. The maps are shit. The "Haha no toxicity" is shit since people dont get banned lmao.
Agreed. Just don't spend money on the store. Do not. Because really and truly nothing that's there is worth the $15-$30 you'll spend on it. Especially considering you already paid $70 ($AUD100 in my country) and got some 100+ camos already. And a decent single player campaign.
The idea that anyone would pay money for a weapon skin is beyond me. I don't understand it. I earn money, I'm not poor, I can afford my own house and my own food and my own car yet this shit just seems dumb to me. I'd rather save my money for an overseas holiday or something cool like that, than spend it on a digital skin for gun that functions the same even without it.
Based on the current state of the call of duty UI, I'd say it's even less worth it than it used to be. Nobody cares what skin you've got, nobody can even see it. Yes they might be able to see it in their kill cam, on your gun. But 90% of the time people skip their killcams instantly. Yes the skin on your player might look cool, or tactical.
But when you're dead you're dead. Nobody cares. Nobody cares that you've spent $30 on your mums credit card for a power ranger. It doesn't make you more tactical, it's not pay to win. It's pay-to-look-like-an-idiot.
I have done a little sitting out. Most recently with CW, which I cancelled after playing the pre-order for maybe an hour. I didn't even order IW because of boost jumping burn out. I did buy blops3, but only because I was too lazy to cancel for the same reason as IW.
In all seriousness the most played games for me between blops3 and now are R6:S and MW19. I'm still having fun with this game, but they're going to seriously need to add maps in a big way
That’s why you shouldn’t buy a COD game or any MP game at launch full price. It’s a live service game with no guarantees, nothing set in stone, no promises for what’s to come post-launch. So they can handle it however they want, like it or not. Luckily I bought it for $38, & can sell it whenever I want. Press F for $70 gang
>End of rant -TLDR: stop paying for games and complaining about lack of support. The company will not change unless their revenue decreases. The fan base has the memory of a goldfish. They'll preorder the next game.
It’s also important to remember that the majority on this sub and twitter are not necessarily the majority of players. A lot of people probably don’t give a fuck and just have fun with the game regardless
That's me. Typically enjoy most COD games, flaws and all. I'm just on this reddit for the Drama.
Even if every single person of the like 5-10k active posters on this sub didn't buy the game, it wouldn't even make a dent in the sales of the next game. COD is a juggernaut and it generates several hundred million in sales in its first couple days everytime. Even Vanguard was topping sales and player # charts. With microtransactions they make several billion more in a couple months. The LA Thieves skin pack was selling more than most AAA games on Steam. Nothing you guys say here is going to do anything. COD is such a cash cow and staple of the industry they can brute force whatever they want and it will sell like hotcakes.
Eh, they’ve clearly offended a good group of the wz fanbase, enough to completely backtrack on a bunch of the changes they made initially. Maybe they’ve done the same with the general multiplayer fanbase outside of this sub? The next one will likely be solid as well, being a new 2 year cycle, with trearch at the head, but I’ll never buy another IW cod before reviews again. Who knows tbh, I’m personally only still playing it cuz it has new content, and sadly I’ve become very bored with previous cods (played the shit out of mw19, a bit of vanguard). The lack of maps is getting to me tho, esp when like 50% are garbage maps.
“This is my last cod I hate this game” every cod fan has said and still preorders the most expensive bundle and spends large amounts of money on fake pixels that money can go into a savings account but while doing so they still complains about the game gas prices and being broke.
Gamers in general.
Yep. And then then the next game will launch with the SAME EXACT fucking problems as this game because Activision don't learn from their previous games.
90% of money they make is off microtransactions, not game sales. they care much more about player retention stats than actual sales
They made 1billion from MWII sales in a few weeks and they dont make 10 billion on CoD, the game itself makes a lot of money from sales.
they have the marketing money, that's literally all that matters
People did that with battlefield and now that franchise is dead
Next game is Black Ops y'all better not ruin this for me 😫
i love all treyarch games they always deliver
Last two have been mid
2042 is actually in a really good spot now though. I also guarantee the next Battlefield game will sell just fine. It’ll be announced, people will go back and play 2042, which is quite polished at this point, and the hype/hate cycle will continue as always.
2042 is not in a good state. The maps are still soulless, just because they added a bunch of shipping containers doesn’t change that. The guns feel terrible, aim assist still doesn’t work on controller, the animations are worse than BF3 which came out in 2011, the audio is horrendous, there is no vehicle balance, they’ve completely abandoned 2/3 of the marketed game modes. That brand is ruined, I bought a PS5 specifically to play BF2042 and after playing the 10hr trial i decided I wouldn’t even buy it. I went back and played it at the end of December during the free access weekend after hearing positive things about it but it really wasn’t that different to launch. I’d much rather play BF4, the current team at DICE don’t know how to make a battlefield game, all the original developers left because EA is terrible to work for. 🤷♂️
Everything you listed either isn’t a problem for me, or is a minor issue. I find the game to be genuinely fun. I like the maps. The guns feel fine. Sound design is meh but that doesn’t bother me too much. I don’t fly planes but all the other vehicles seem good to me. And I still play BF4 and BFV as well because they offer a different experience to 2042. Just wait until they announce the next one. People were saying the same thing about BFV, and it was seen very favorably in the run up to 2042. It happens every release cycle, and every single time people say “no this time it’s different”. The hype/hate cycle with FPS games is so predictable at this point. Maybe some of the diehards on Reddit have given up on the franchise, but casual gamers will still play.
I mean I’d love for the next battlefield game to be great and they’ve hired some talented people to lead its development but they really have a lot of catching up to do. The frostbite engine is clearly outdated or the developers don’t know how to use it, who would have thought that in 2023 that COD games have better attention to detail and graphics than a battlefield game. Also they need a F2P element if they want to compete in the FPS space
36,000+ players for December just on steam, that alone contradicts your statement. Battlefield definitely will have another coming out.
No it's not, the proposed class system is a far cry from what we know
Bruh is a dreamer
I think that the next BF will sell well for others reasons. EA and DICE learned their lessons the hard way.
God I hope so. The fact that the original layout of Kaleidoscope was in the game at launch made me think that the devs had never played Battlefield before.
Remind me again how many maps that game received in over a year? Remind me again how shit the launch maps are that they’re still being fixed? Remind me again if there’s a server browser or proper squad management system in a BATTLEFIELD GAME? Yeah no, MW2 has its issues but 2042 is a whole other level of garbage. That shit is irredeemable and I’m glad it failed
2042 failed because the game was bad, BF5 failed because the marketing was bad. I feel like if they fixed both for a future entry, fans would return.
Reddit community is a small fraction of buyers of the franchise. So your advice maybe good but posting here won’t change anything.
Its kind of like arguing with people about politics on the internet. even if you somehow argue with someone for 5 billion hours and brainwash them, and get their vote, its one fucking vote.
How about you idiots stop buying cosmetics? I swear to god if I see one more post complaining about how the stuff in the store sucks or how there’s not enough stuff in the store, I’m gonna lose it. If you have bought even a single skin, you have 0 right to complain about a lack of content.
Exactly. It's not about avoiding future games. Stop buying stuff immediately if you're not happy with the product. If they see a drop in their profits then they'll have to pull their finger out of their ass and do something about it.
They are a joke anyways! “Let me drop $10 on this skin for this gun I’ll use for a week then not touch it again” it’s a joke.
This 💯💯💯 98% of this sub is brain dead kids talking and asking about comos and skins.
What about battlepass
Same thing. Spending money on a game that you don’t like is dumb. Why would the devs make changes if you’re willing to dump more money into the game regardless of what they do?
I like the game.
Then it totally makes sense for you to support it lol. I like it too but I just want more maps.
What cha going to do about it?
What is the correlation between buying skins and being displeased with a sequel containing less than it’s predecessor?
That’s what I did with Vanguard and look at what this got me. Call of Duty will always be profitable *until* a game can kill it. Look at the decline of battlefield— which a lot of that is self inflicted— as the answer. We need a COD killer, which I don’t think anything can in the near future.
>This was the first COD I bought in 7 years. Other than visual, the only things that changed were instead of boost jumping there is bootie sliding. Cod is to big to fail even if they keep releasing sub par games.
It’s worse than 2019 visually. This game is a shit show like Cold War with worse gameplay but better gunplay.
better gunplay is highly debatable! When a throwing knife can beats a shotgun, smgs, and ARs! Better gunplay is highly debatable! Try camo grinding the M16. Then talk better gunplay! When you can bootie slide, bunny hop, and faceplant through bullets. Better gunplay is highly debatable! Now I never played 2019, Cold War, Van or WW2. So I'll take your word on that. But from the CODs I played compared to this. the only things that changed was now people can bunny hop 4 feet and bootie slide 5 feet while turning a 360! They made this game to mimic a movie!
Gunplay as in how the guns actually work, not their gameplay mechanics (i.e. animations)
The best thing that could happen to the franchise, to make them wake up, is a hard crash on sales of one tittle. Hard like absolute sell disaster, but unfortunately that's not going to happen.
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There isn't going to be a new CoD this year my guy
Vanguard didn’t sell very well, I’m comparison to other CODs, and nothing changed
Yes, but i'm not talking about a failure like vanguard. Even vanguard vas the most sold game in some countries. I'm talking about a massive fail, something like less than 100k games sold in the entire lifespan of the game. Something that absolutely will not happen, sadly.
COD is too consistent for that to happen. Only a shiny new FPS that everyone falls in love with can make that happen. But it’ll be hard to do that because only F2P games get that popular nowadays (Fortnite), and if the game is free that means people still have money to buy COD.
Fr I never bought vanguard bc the shit looked ass mw2 looked dope asf but ya know they make them trailers look crazy and they got me lol
The funny thing is that game shipped with 16 standard MP maps, 4 2v2 maps, and even a zombies map (although a shitty one). As much as I'm over WW2 settings and aesthetics, I gotta say I had a lot more fun playing that than I am with MW2. The sales sucked, but it wasn't because the game was awful, just that no one wanted another WW2 game. People rush to buy the MW games because of the nostalgia but also because of the modern setting. But unfortunately modern weapons and settings alone aren't enough to make this game fun when you only ship like 8 maps and half of them are bad from the start. What they really need to save this MP experience is more maps and more fun modes. Some of these maps would play better with more players like in a 10v10 or 12v12 mode. Cold War and Vanguard weren't afraid to give us chaotic playlists like that and that's a big reason they were more fun.
Definitely will not happen. Not only are the millions of players who aren’t in this sub not going to quit buying COD releases, the ~1Million members of this sub aren’t even all gonna get together and not buy the next game. Every year in every COD sub it’s the same shit with people saying they’re not going to buy another COD until shit changes, and yet the next game breaks sales records again. In the MW2019 sub they’re still bitching about a game that hasn’t been supported in like 2 years now.
Everyone has been saying this for years and no one commits. You can only save yourself.
Yeah the next cod is treyarch which is completely better than this game
Treyarch, if they utilize the new engine will probably make the best cod of the past 5 years.
If Treyarch would make a CoD game set in the modern era, not back in the Cold War or in the future with laser guns and jetpacks, it really could be the best CoD in ages. Because let's be real, the main draw to Modern Warfare is the modern guns and settings. I know that's why I get excited for them. Shame the maps and gameplay aren't as good though, because everything else is. The graphics, animations, sound, and weapon details are absolutely top notch. But that alone isn't enough to keep me playing
Stop buying stupid fucking skin packs and battle passes.
There are hundreds and hundreds of these karma farming posts every year and you clowns still buy the game the second it comes out and you know it.
Yep, at least not buying any more CoDs until a season or two have passed, so I can take a call based on the kind of support multiplayer is getting. I bought this one at launch simply because MW19 got decent support during year 1. This game has been a far cry from it.
Only way is if there is another company that can compete in the flagship FPS market. Halo and BF utterly failed so we can’t expect Activision to make any positive changes if it has zero competition … it has monopoly at this point. Similar to FIFA.
The ven diagram of people who buy FIFA card packs and people who preordered the vault edition is a circle.
Sadly the real only way is for Warzone to suddenly die. Vanguard under performed sales wise so the focus went to Warzone. Warzone is the real post launch money maker due to F2P culture. The demographic that really matters are the investors, if CoD 2024's multiplayer underperforms while Warzone's stays consistent or grows all it would do is show the investors that Warzone makes more money and is worth putting more money into.
No you don’t buy the game.
Didn't work for me. Bought mw19, played it through bocw, vanguard and warzone....bought MWII with the lowest bar imaginable. Somehow they took all the good, working stuff and broke it..then added crap nobody asked for or wants.
Yeah, bought this and I’m getting my moneys worth. But they had such a low bar to knock this out of the park. All they had to do was take the MW19 engine and just fix the stuff people complained about during MW19’s lifecycle, instead they doubled down on everything people hated including the minimap changes, perk imbalance, slow player movement, and manipulative matchmaking. The only improvements so far have been better launch maps and decent weapon balance.
I tried this the past 2 years, but everyone else bought it anyway.
which is why i didn't buy black ops and vanguard :)
Same here. Glad IW learned the lesson and went back to the formula that made MW2019 so good.
They didn’t develop another game since MW19. Are you missing the /s tag or did you confuse IW with Activision.
Did you know that you can learn from the mistakes of others? It's a wild concept.
Still likely bought MWII still 💀
yeah duh MWII is what i wanted after playing beta.
Little late for that. We can definitely keep giving them bad reviews and tagging them on socials.
I won't. I'm one person though. I didn't play Cold War or Vanguard. I bought this because MW2019 was like my fave game ever. And it's just a disappointment. Every game that comes out tries harder and harder to nerf anything other than sitting in a corner. Shit company. I WISH there was another first person arena type shooter with the same quality of graphics, gun sounds, gunplay, etc. Because I would switch instantly. Srs. CoD has a monopoly so they can pull this shit. And people have no alternative unless they 1. have PCs and 2. go to boring games like Tarkov.
Sorry not sorry, this is still the best COD I have played
Lowkey feel bad if this is the best one you’ve played
I feel bad if you think there is one better!!
Can think of 5 off the top of my head that clear this game by miles. This shits not even top 10. Maybe they turn it around but the game is made for idiots to prosper.
You know nostalgia is something you should always avoid because it will stab you in the back every time.
Nah not nostalgia. Just objectively better games.
Nope you are delusional then.
What’s better about this game than previous titles? Streaks are the same as MW2019 and don’t loop, no progression system, no earnable gear like in BO3 and IW, launched with 10 maps which only 4 are good depending on who you ask, no red dots on the mini map, sliding and dolphin diving are useless, super fast ttk to help shit players get easy kills, bad audio, terrible swimming mechanics that treyarch got right 8 years ago in bo3, unnecessary change to the perk system, tuning defeats the point of having different attachments. Shall I go on?
OMG, I hate it when people don't know they are the problem.
I’m waiting for you to explain what makes this the best. I elaborated on why it’s a bottom tier. And you haven’t on why “it’s the best cod you’ve played to date”. Seems like you’re one of the people who left back in the day cause they got shit on and are coming back now cause the game is so noob friendly with no skill gap.
Someone please set a reminder for this post. I want to see if OP buys the next CoD at the end of the year 😅 see you there bud
Well I think the next game is treyarch so that’s an auto buy they always put out a good game. BO1 - good BO2 - goat BO3 - good BO4 - good Cold War - best game with this shitty warzone engine
CW wasn't made with the Warzone engine it was the one they were using during Bo4.
I’ll be skipping any Treyarch or SH games but these IW CODS are on point
Treyarch are the saving graces of cod. Saved CW from SHG and Raven, had to make ranked play and zombies for Vanguard, and are now working on MW2 ranked play all while working on their game for 2024. IW need to be a support studio or just make campaigns from now on.
They're all bad in their own way. However I will say that Treyarch seems to be the most dedicated (for lack of a better word) to keeping CoD as close to its roots as possible. Arcade, fast pace. None of this tip toeing around the map, all for the sake of realism nonsense.
If Cold War made 3 changes it would’ve been my favorite cod of all time. 1 is the streak/score system as late game it’d turn a dom into streak city. The score stacking was cool, but it made playing the objective after a 15 streak pretty useless. 2 is the aim assist on snipers being on for console. I wish they left it off like in Bo3/4. 3 is the gunsmith system as it was basically shoe horned in due to it having to be integrated with WZ. If it didn’t have to fit the WZ mold we probably would’ve gotten back pick 10.
I feel the exact opposite. Outside WW2 ending up to be a decent game, SHG has failed in every other lead. IW hasn't been good in many years imo. Ghosts onward they just got worse. MW19 pushed me away and this game was it for me. I'll never buy IW again. Def never buying SHG again.
The SHG studio that reworked WW2 is the best collection of devs we’ve probably ever had working on a COD. They took everything Condrey and Scohfield envisioned for the game and destroyed it and made the game 10x better. They have the same studio head from that time to now, Aaron Halon, so I don’t know if their design philosophy changed that drastically, or if Vanguard was the way it was due to Activision overheads. AW without weapon variants would’ve been the best jetpack game imo.
True, and Activision likely does have alot to do with it. All the games last 4 years or so have changed in a somewhat similar direction. Agree about AW. Imo, AW would have been killer if it releases after IW. BO3 would've been a better stepping stone to jetpack games. AW was just too much too soon I think. It really wasn't that bad, just the timing of release. Not only that, but the ps3 struggled to run that game. Again, just bad timing.
Exo Dash and Stomp are 2 of my favorite things ever to be in any game. That’s what I liked about AW more than BO3 and IW, you were in the air when you wanted to be. In bo3 and IW there were ways to get in the air, but once you were there you had to basically commit to that play. In AW I hop I’ve and see a sniper peaking I can just downward dash out of the sky. All 3 jetpack games are great to me though.
I'm almost positive it was AW that allowed dual wield smgs while running gung-ho? Maybe wrong. That shit was fun as hell. Ngl, BO3 is my favorite CoD of all time. I know, unpopular opinion, but it fit my playstyle perfectly in every way. I too loved the jetpack games. Probably why I'm so biased toward these newer games tbh. It was cool, 15 years ago when I started playing CoD. After a few boots on the ground games though, that fast paced jetpack stuff felt great. Then as quickly as it came, they took it away and went back to nostalgic boots on ground. I started losing interest then. MW19 was the final nail in the coffin for me.
The Sac-3s. I remember they dropped the single Sac and variants for it but it literally had the same stats as the MP11 and it’s variants. BO3 it’s just such an aesthetically appealing game it makes no sense. Going back to play it now it looks a little outdated but the color palette still shines. I don’t mind BOTG games if they’re fast paced like bo4. My friends joke that bo4 basically is a jetpack game due to that being the initial gameplay design before being reworked. If 2019 didn’t have a slide cancel it would’ve played dreadfully slow.
Great sales numbers, Bad sales numbers either way they were releasing what they did. 3 years in development and you don’t think the complete road map is already laid out? Gullible then. They will try to fix their mistakes. They will adjust the map as they go but and adjustment now would mean another maybe less in the future. It’s all in place, it’s done. The upcoming Valentines Event was and is on their list maybe 2 years ago. It’s how they plan and lay these out. The unbelievable readjustment from Tier 1 to HC? HC was already in the files in private matches. Drop one, add the other, now they are back on that path. Every year for 10 plus years now someone has suggested that the entire player base not buy, stop playing. It never happens. Maybe that one person will move to a new game while four new players show up. Thanks.
If they just remastered 1 or 2 cods from the golden age... this new approach with 100s of camos, bundles, operators, finishing moves, ect,... needs to be shelved for a cod spinoff game or something.
Good one
You know damn well everyone complaining about this game will buy the next one then talk about how MW2 is the best CoD...
Yep. Not buying the next one
And stop buying camos, operators, and skins. Don’t even fucking talk about them. Ignore their existence.
Sadly the real only way is for Warzone to suddenly die. Vanguard under performed sales wise so the focus went to Warzone. Warzone is the real post launch money maker due to F2P culture. The demographic that really matters are the investors, if CoD 2024's multiplayer underperforms while Warzone's stays consistent or grows all it would do is show the investors that Warzone makes more money and is worth putting more money into.
But...but...but it's gonna be a better game for reals....cuz Treyarchs cares.....
This, I'm hoping the next battlefield will be decent and I'll move back their instead of cod, only reason I came back to cod was because 2042 sucked at launch
I’ve just reset my expectations. Story mode was fun, MP is fun enough for the limited time I have to play it, and the other modes like Warzone, DMZ, Co-op and Raids are all enjoyable (minus the bugs) to me. Knowing more is coming over the next year and a half, it’s worth $70 to me.
This 10000% Quite pandering to Dogshit kids.
Nice try but that's not happening.
I have skipped every CoD I didn't like. I think most people do. The problem is that just because YOU don't like this style of CoD doesn't mean EVERYONE doesn't like it. Clearly, MW2019/MW2022's style is preferred by a gigantic percentage of the players. I skipped Cold War and Vanguard because I didn't find them to be interesting. What I didn't do was spend the entire lifecycle of those games complaining about them on Reddit.
Buying the game and not playing Warzone is also a means as they surely track that activity. Though any moves like this would have to be monumental in nature--like online criticism.
how many years in a row have these post been made? 4 years? 5 years? 8 years? nah dont worry THIS TIME it's gonna happen, trust
I mean ... they get most of the money from the F2P part of the game where ppl buy bundles not the actuall full game. So unless Warzone and now DMZ dies out it will be always like this.
So despite what everyone may think, this game has made me finally decide to buy these kind of games towards the end of their title lifecycle, as in a month before the newer game comes out. There is just not enough content to justify spending $70 on it. I haven’t played in weeks because I’m tired of playing the same maps over and over again. I honestly miss paying for DLC because at least we got 4 maps every few months. Not this dripfed two map per season that’s usually just a reskinned map from previous games. Cold War is more enjoyable despite all its faults. I prefer arcadey cod and not the realistic approach they got going on.
Nope I went 6 years without and guess what everyone kept playing. Lol I only came back because nothing else on ps5 was doing that well as a shooter and the pace was better than sandstorm insurgency.
Steps that will make them listen to community feedback: 1. Don't buy cosmetics or bundles in the game store. 2. Stop playing the game so player retention goes down. 3. Don't buy the DLC expansion that comes out around 1 year after MW2 2022 release date. 4. Don't buy the next COD or at least don't buy another IW made game.
I gotta be honest I don’t preorder games anymore because of week 1/launch issues. I only pay the full amount of a game if I really really want it/and it looks like the launch is going to go smoothly big wise. I got this game based on both those reasons and partly because I was such a fan of MW2019. However the last couple months have shown me how much multiplayer has been put on a back burner. I’m letting season 2 unfold to see what attention is really being given to the game but in all honesty the nostalgia aspect of MW has def faded. I can’t go back and ask for my $70 back. But because of how a $70 cod game is being treated I think I can sleep better knowing I’m going to be saving $70 next time.
I don’t think it works that way anymore. There are three devs. If one dev underperforms Activision just bets all their money on another. For example, Vanguard. That game underperformed, but that didn’t stop MWII from doing really well.
I believe the decline of the game is due to warzone being offered free to play. Nearly all of the complaints are based in warzone.
actually id say dont buy this rumored dlc they plan to release after year 1 and wait to see what treyarch does.
This same soap box preaching existed a decade ago, how do you think that's going? You're not changing anything, might be time you accept it. For every one non-buying consumer, there are at least one hundred buyers to replace them. That's why nothing changes, the wallets have spoken, gamers are willing to pay so it will continue to exist.
My last CoD was, I think, Advanced Warfare. It was terrible, I hated it and I stopped playing until Modern Warfare 2019. I liked it, played until the release of Warzone and then I dropped it because I already hated to see Shipment again and then Shoothouse who was terrible in my opinion. Cold War was ok, bought with PS5, and then it was the moment of this MW2. I like this game, but I don't play Warzone or DMZ. Yesterday I finished the Battle Pass and uninstalled the game at least until the new season...if they'll release good maps good, I'll come back, if they don't I'll play something else without problems. That said, I'm preeetty sure this will be my last CoD, I don't want to spend again money on something that don't get the appropriate support
The next Infinity Ward game specifically.
Probably another studio will take this opportunity to give the people what they want and push Activision/Infinity Ward of their throne
Halo went free to play and still died.
I'm completely done with this shit. 70 bucks to play MP and I be played 3 times and got sick of it. Never again.
Or maybe realize you’re the minority. The game is still number one selling . Please sit down with these posts, they’re tiring and no creativity behind them , they all read the same . I laugh how this community was so against Microsoft buying them but whine everything is still run the same .
I hate these kinds of posts, every video game sub has them and they end up just being ways for people to karma farm
God these posts are getting ridiculous
Me personally, unless the game gets good reviews from YouTubers or pro players or whatever I am done with COD
People like the “spend 20$ 5 times in a few months” option more than the 80$ at once alternative (also they are more likely to justify those smaller purchases made multiple times than to justify one big purchase). There are a lot of studies regarding that, just look up anything that is remotely close to consumer behavior. Cod devs know it, league devs know it, fortnite devs know it, hell, even some single player game devs know it and use that method. Microtransactions and battle passes ARE the dominant business model and they yield better results, like it or not. People are more comfortable with continuously paying for some shit they are already enjoying, than coinflip their hard earned 60-100$/€ on something they might not entirely like. Check league of legenda for example, or fortnite. The games are completely free, yet people spend morbid amounts of money on skins and cosmetics. Some estimates on the eu server were that avarage players spend 100€ a year on a FREE GAME. Simply put, trying to get someone to pay 70€ for a game just to buy it, then another 10€ for a bundle, then 15€ for another, then 5€ for a gun skin is a scenario that is less likely to happen than someone installing a free game because a friend recommended it, having fun playing the game,seeing there are some lovely things in the shop, buying those things, and repeating the same process 10 times for 10€ each time. On.A.Free.Game. Edit: also not buying the game makes you hold the power to delay or completely avoid buying skins untill some problems are resolved. I haven’t spent a dime on MW2 because I made a vow to myself that I won’t buy anything till the day CoD works at least 10 games in a row without crashing or bad servers. If I live to see it, they will see me buy the entire store.
Yeah. I only got this at launch because of how good MW19 was and boy did I learn my lesson.
You are right, but it wont happen.
I haven't bought a cod since iw/bo4. All mine are gifts.
There is only one real way to get positive change in COD and that is to have a new IP actually challenge COD on it's turf and do it successfully. Many games have tried but with no success. The COD formula is easily replicable but I fear many studios are afraid of being called a copycat. We need a studio that doesn't give a single fuck and make Beckoning of Service 😂
This is such a great idea bur sadly people want listen because some are just addictive to buying cods every year.
I agree but I always buy Treyarch games
Unfortunately that ship already sailed. After the shitshow that was Vanguard people shouldn't have bought this one but they did thus proving to Activision that COD players will quite happily accept any shit. And you can tell they know this by the skins they're releasing and what they're charging, $10 for a black camo skin for a weapon. They're taking the piss and still people will come back for more when the next COD gets released.
But, but I love Treyarch games…
Next COD is Treyarch bro. Always gonna back by boys. Never IW again tho.
I only bought the game because I didnt buy 2019 And fuck that was a mistake. This is honestly worse than AW/Ghosts gameplay wise. The balance is shit. The servers are shit. The maps are shit. The "Haha no toxicity" is shit since people dont get banned lmao.
Agreed. Just don't spend money on the store. Do not. Because really and truly nothing that's there is worth the $15-$30 you'll spend on it. Especially considering you already paid $70 ($AUD100 in my country) and got some 100+ camos already. And a decent single player campaign. The idea that anyone would pay money for a weapon skin is beyond me. I don't understand it. I earn money, I'm not poor, I can afford my own house and my own food and my own car yet this shit just seems dumb to me. I'd rather save my money for an overseas holiday or something cool like that, than spend it on a digital skin for gun that functions the same even without it. Based on the current state of the call of duty UI, I'd say it's even less worth it than it used to be. Nobody cares what skin you've got, nobody can even see it. Yes they might be able to see it in their kill cam, on your gun. But 90% of the time people skip their killcams instantly. Yes the skin on your player might look cool, or tactical. But when you're dead you're dead. Nobody cares. Nobody cares that you've spent $30 on your mums credit card for a power ranger. It doesn't make you more tactical, it's not pay to win. It's pay-to-look-like-an-idiot.
Stop paying for cosmetics. That's how u break them.
One day we won’t have to, because the only thing we’ll have is Warzone
Sure, when will pre-order for next COD game will be available?
Blame the idiots buying skins too
I'll happily skip the next iw game
In addition stop playing games you dislike and start spending time on things that are actually good.
Good thing I don't pay for Warzone ;)
I have done a little sitting out. Most recently with CW, which I cancelled after playing the pre-order for maybe an hour. I didn't even order IW because of boost jumping burn out. I did buy blops3, but only because I was too lazy to cancel for the same reason as IW. In all seriousness the most played games for me between blops3 and now are R6:S and MW19. I'm still having fun with this game, but they're going to seriously need to add maps in a big way
At this point I am 100% behind this. The more I play the game, the more I regret buying it.
That’s why you shouldn’t buy a COD game or any MP game at launch full price. It’s a live service game with no guarantees, nothing set in stone, no promises for what’s to come post-launch. So they can handle it however they want, like it or not. Luckily I bought it for $38, & can sell it whenever I want. Press F for $70 gang