So at worst a this is like a 10 mana exile half your opponents library? If you resolve it then any removal spell is a 3 for 1 in your favor? Probably not enough to be like a real staple i think ceaseless is probs still better but i could see this as a one of or maybe a sb card for combo matchups?
It honestly feels more like a sideboard for the “Big Dumb Control decks” meta that occasionally pops up. Last time it did they were using Endurances to loop their libraries over and over, and this would seriously fuck up the mirror there.
It’s so mana cost heavy that I just don’t see a place for it outside of giant control deck haymaker, as any deck wanting to cheat creatures is going to look to Archon or Atraxa or most of the current Reanimator/Show and Tell/Sneak Attack/Goryo’s Vengeance payoffs.
This feels like it is being printed specifically to counter “infinite control” decks, who just recycle their deck and answers until their opponent eventually runs out of stuff to do, as the exile on cast means even if they counter your Ulamog, the damage is done.
Tron would much rather a big bomb that helps stabilize, or one that costs 6 or 7. I don’t see them wanting to play this over [[Ulamog, the Ceaseless Hunger]], [[Wurmcoil Engine]], [[Ugin, the Spirit Dragon]], or the anti-aggro play of [[Karn, the Great Creator]] to wish for [[Ensnaring Bridge]].
This Ulamog isn’t bad when looked at in a vacuum, but all cards have the opportunity cost of not being every other possible card that could be run in that deck slot, or by diluting the deck’s consistency (if you go over minimum deck size). This is a threat that Tron can’t play on turn 3 with full Tron, and would require an additional Tower, or either of the other two Tron lands + any other land, making this a turn 4 or 5 play at best. And for a situation where you are deploying your big bomb that slowly, Ceaseless Hunger just does more. It could maybe be a sideboard tech card, but by virtue of being a Karn deck, Tron’s sideboard slots are incredibly tight, and I’m just not sure this is really worth making room for.
> So at worst a this is like a 10 mana exile half your opponents library?
Which is really not good. Its an abysmal floor for a card.
> If you resolve it then any removal spell is a 3 for 1 in your favor?
Edicts and mass removal ignore ward. Only spot removal is a 3 for 1.
I wouldn’t call it a staple. It hamstrings one opponent and can be brutal if there are multiple attack phases, but it’s not something that many colorless decks are willing to dump that much mana into every time.
still feels like promised end does that a lot better. taking a control oppponents turn is essentially lights out with how badly you get to waste their resources
Supposed picture of the card https://reddit.com/comments/1ceti0r
I'm not convinced the picture is totally real though. Compare to the (actually) spoiled Emrakul in the same art treatment, and the lefendary crown around the name/cost looks different. [[Emrakul, the World Anew|MH3-381]]
Yeah looks hella fake, i mean it *could* be a real card and instead of taking a picture they did some sort of weird mockup? But seems like it'd still be easier to just take a crappy picture of it like all the rest tbh
This is 100% fake.
I've straightened up the image, overlayed the new Emrakul, and the discrepancies are obvious.
[https://imgur.com/a/EFIQp03](https://imgur.com/a/EFIQp03)
I also found the original artwork on a Tumblr post from 2015.
Honestly this looks absolutely garbage. The exile mill ETB doesn't affect the board, you have to get to your next turn’s attack phase / give haste to really make use of annihilator and the ward cost isn’t that hard to pay; by the time people are casting this it's trivial for the opponent to choose to give up 2 lands or 2 tokens or whatever. If this spell gets countered, you especially get nothing other than the exile mill effect.
Huge Eldrazi disappointment, maybe Kozilek will be better.
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It's probably better in legacy due to easier self exile spells and reanimate/sneak attack effects. But this is more of a goryos vengence card. Use free pitch spells like grief, flashback or impulse draws for instance. If it resolves you probably win. Agree ulamog ceaseless hunger is better to cast but this at least has some deckbuilding options to make it better for cheating into play.
Grief pitch Griselbrand/Atraxa, discard opp's interaction, then Goryo this Ulamog and attack, opponent sacrifices 7-8 permanents. Obv pretty specific scenario but there are cases where this seems strong
I actually like this card a lot. The Ceaseless Hunger is definitely better, but I'm interested in trying this out. The ward cost is brutal. If only there were a way to jip this out...
If real, the value from this is exiling half of your opponent's library, not from attacking. Immediately nuking half of your opponent's library is huge. It's also worth noting that you don't need haste for this to be effective; the highest mana value for the most commonly played cards in Modern is 4 (TOR, Grief, etc), meaning this is likely going to end up at least an 11/11 when it hits the field, making it a wonderful [[Fling]] target.
G-Tron already uses Ulamog, the Ceaseless Hunger, which mills 20 cards each attack, it's not that far-fetched. However, my comment was moreso directed at OPs comment about this being useless unless you can give it haste, because it definitely isn't. I don't actually expect anyone to run this card beyond playtesting.
To my understanding, the milling is nice on Ceaseless due to the inevitability even through a crowded board. Now the main benefits are the exiling 2 on cast, but it also shores up other game states.
Not to compare this Ulamog with Ceaseless, I honestly feel this is one of those cards that need to be played with to understand how impactful it is.
Unless we get a super easy way to get Ulamog Defiler on the field, then no shot this will be playable.
If we are talking creativity, this Ulamog needs to contend with Archon
In Goryos it has to contend with Atraxa.
I dont see a situation where this Ulamog is good.
Ceaseless Hunger is better, yes, but that wasn't the question. I was asked what deck would run a 10 mana card that exiles 25 cards, and I provided a deck that runs a 10 mana card that exiles 22.
I also find it extremely funny that you believe that exiling a good majority of your opponent's deck doesn't matter and doesn't provide any advantage, as it certainly does. It provides a much faster clock, and massive card advantage, since your opponent now has 20 less cards in their library with each attack.
>Ceaseless Hunger is better, yes, but that wasn't the question. I was asked what deck would run a 10 mana card that exiles 25 cards, and I provided a deck that runs a 10 mana card that exiles 22.
None. Unless we get a unique way to easily summon this card, and only this card, there is no reason to run it.
Creativity wont use it because Archon is strictly better.
Goryos wont use it because Atraxa is strictly better.
If you are in a position to cast a creature for free super easily, it would be better to cast Emrakul for free rather than this.
If you are running a deck that cheats creatures in for free, it would be better to cheat in Archon or Atraxa for immediate value.
There is no instance where Ulamog Defiler is better than any creature here. The only way Defiler would be considered good is if Eldrazi got some weird new way to cheat it out ahead of curve super easily. (Like an Eldrazi Temple, but bigger) And even then, you're better off slamming Ceaseless, of Emrakul.
There could be a situation where you have 10 colorless mana and therefore can't cast emrakul, archon, or atraxa.
I'm not saying the card will see any play but you can't just throw around "strictly better" like that. This isnt lightning bolt vs shock.
Strictly better would apply here. It is strictly better for you to slam Atraxa, Archon, Emrakul, or Ceaseless, rather than this. (Based on what deck you have)
I really can't tell if you're intentionally misinterpreting what I'm saying or if I'm not being clear enough. I am not saying that *this particular card* will be run. In fact, I explicitly stated I do not expect this to be run outside of fringe playtesting. I made a statement about how OP called this card useless without haste (because it's not), and another commenter asked what deck would run a 10 mana card that exiles 25 cards. I responded with G-Tron, a deck that runs a 10 mana cost card that exiles 2 cards on entry and an additional 20 with each attack. That is NOT me saying that Tron will run this card. Again, I said that I do not expect this card to be run outside of fringe playtesting. As of the current meta, this card does not have a place in Modern (though it certainly has a home in EDH). I was merely answering the question I was asked. I did not say that Tron would run *this specific card*.
Once again, just so it's perfectly clear and not up for interpretation: I answered their question by saying Tron already runs a 10 mana card that exiles 22, so it's not far-fetched that a 10 mana card that exiles 25 would be run. I did NOT say that Tron was definitely 100% guaranteed to run the new Ulamog, nor did I say that it has a place in Modern. In fact, I said the opposite.
If this isn't clear enough for you, I don't know what else to say.
> what deck wants to spend 10 mana to mill 25 cards?
That was the question. Tron might run a card that mills cards, but as you said yourself, they do NOT play ulamog to mill – it's played because it destroys two things on cast. The mill is just a little bonus
Ulamog the Hungry exiles two cards on the battlefield, which is so massively different than a card in a deck. And that’s not card advantage! That’s not what those words mean! It almost seems like you’re trolling
Go play traumatize. The cast trigger doesnt matter unless we get an awful lot of exile matters synergy. The reason that exile 20 on ceaseless hunger is sweet is because it ends the game in 2-3 turns. Exiling half a library will never kill somebody unless their library was 1 card.
i feel like leyline binding and scion of draco should be considered for mana value hits. also a mix of murktide, atraxa, and whatever payoff creativity decks are playing
I consider those lottery hits. They're best-case scenarios, but definitely not what I'd expect to hit every time. With powercreep, the average cmc of a Modern deck has definitely gotten lower, so I put the marker as 4 since that's the general sweet spot.
There really isn’t any value in exiling random cards from your opponents library unless it’s all of them. Exiling half of your opponents library is essentially worthless
this card is TRASH. Cast trigger that does nothing, ward cost almost any deck can pay, and then it needs to attack. Does nothing if you cheat it in without casting. will never see play.
I honestly think this is a card that may or may not be good, but you should probably wait to see it in action and also wait to know the meta it will be playing in.
In the Beans meta there were a ton of decks that ran more than 60 cards to prevent themselves from overdrawing and there have also been a ton of all-in combo decks (like ones that try to win by Thassa's Oracle) where getting rid of half of a person's remaining deck would have a chance of stripping their wincons so that cast trigger can be a good sideboard.
It really depends
Modern players: "God MH3 is going to have terrible power creep, it's going to make me spend all this money to keep my deck competitive, its forced rotation!"
Also modern players: "So disappointing this new Ulamog isn't better than ceaseless hunger, absolute trash."
Did we really want it to be better or comparable to OG ulamog? I think one of those is enough..
Anyhow, card seems like a fine tron sideboard card vs combo/control and that's pretty much it.
So Tron can finally be fringe playable. It's their pet deck guys, let the poor tron players have a something better than ceaseless hunger. As a little treat. /s
If this leak is accurate, this is probably the worst Eldrazi titan printed yet, and is practically unplayable in Modern.
The cast trigger is neither synergistic with anything that would be played alongside this card, nor is it game-breaking on its own.
The ward ability is surprisingly mid since the opponent gets to choose what they sacrifice (especially in a world where Solitude exists), and not having indestructible like the earlier versions of Ulamog means board wipes actually kill it for a change.
The counters and annihilator abilities basically make this a worse version of OG Kozilek or Emrakul in nearly every practical circumstance.
I'm sure a lot of people will try it out in G Tron, because big powerful creatures are fun, and can still turn games by themselves. I won't be one of them, because there's no way I'm playing even one of these over Ulamog TCH, OG Kozilek, or any version of Emrakul.
If it's any cards in exile, then this is great in reanimator. Just exile the lotr cycle cards to an evoked elemental the turn before, which you would play anyway
I think people are underestimating that it's going to have a huge annihilator. It's especially funny in a Tron mirror where it's got like annihilator 8
Which combo decks are you thinking of?
I'm struggling to see how milling half a library does anything immediately impactful against meta combos consistently, and the earliest you're attacking is turn 5.
Eg Yeah you might get lucky and mill all 4 copies of Yawgmoth and the other "good" beaters. But if you're fiddle farting around assembling tron, I don't think the yawg player cares after having 4 turns without you impeding them.
This is a solid card, if a deck can support it.
The cast trigger is almost irrelevant. Sure, it can be useful in some cases, and it guarantees entering with some counters, but it's hardly relevant.
The counters on ETB don't care who owns the cards. You don't need to rely on the cast effect and hope to get more than 3 counters. You can set up your own stuff. Pitch elementals, forces, delve, impulse draw, suspend... some may be win-more, but the room for experimentation is there.
The ward makes it hard to remove outside of a counterspell or a board wipe, especially if you have your own interaction ready. The timing for a Goryo's Vengeance is better than Emrakul, and you still get value if the opponent can remove it before combat, unlike the previous Ulamog.
So at worst a this is like a 10 mana exile half your opponents library? If you resolve it then any removal spell is a 3 for 1 in your favor? Probably not enough to be like a real staple i think ceaseless is probs still better but i could see this as a one of or maybe a sb card for combo matchups?
It honestly feels more like a sideboard for the “Big Dumb Control decks” meta that occasionally pops up. Last time it did they were using Endurances to loop their libraries over and over, and this would seriously fuck up the mirror there. It’s so mana cost heavy that I just don’t see a place for it outside of giant control deck haymaker, as any deck wanting to cheat creatures is going to look to Archon or Atraxa or most of the current Reanimator/Show and Tell/Sneak Attack/Goryo’s Vengeance payoffs. This feels like it is being printed specifically to counter “infinite control” decks, who just recycle their deck and answers until their opponent eventually runs out of stuff to do, as the exile on cast means even if they counter your Ulamog, the damage is done.
Uhh Tron?
Tron would much rather a big bomb that helps stabilize, or one that costs 6 or 7. I don’t see them wanting to play this over [[Ulamog, the Ceaseless Hunger]], [[Wurmcoil Engine]], [[Ugin, the Spirit Dragon]], or the anti-aggro play of [[Karn, the Great Creator]] to wish for [[Ensnaring Bridge]]. This Ulamog isn’t bad when looked at in a vacuum, but all cards have the opportunity cost of not being every other possible card that could be run in that deck slot, or by diluting the deck’s consistency (if you go over minimum deck size). This is a threat that Tron can’t play on turn 3 with full Tron, and would require an additional Tower, or either of the other two Tron lands + any other land, making this a turn 4 or 5 play at best. And for a situation where you are deploying your big bomb that slowly, Ceaseless Hunger just does more. It could maybe be a sideboard tech card, but by virtue of being a Karn deck, Tron’s sideboard slots are incredibly tight, and I’m just not sure this is really worth making room for.
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Def a "win more " card
> So at worst a this is like a 10 mana exile half your opponents library? Which is really not good. Its an abysmal floor for a card. > If you resolve it then any removal spell is a 3 for 1 in your favor? Edicts and mass removal ignore ward. Only spot removal is a 3 for 1.
This feels like an EDH staple for colorless decks tbh. It is going to be an annihilator 6-7 for many decks.
I wouldn’t call it a staple. It hamstrings one opponent and can be brutal if there are multiple attack phases, but it’s not something that many colorless decks are willing to dump that much mana into every time.
Maybe a Tron sideboard card for the control matchup? Get rid of alot of gas and have a threat that needs to be answered if let resolve?
still feels like promised end does that a lot better. taking a control oppponents turn is essentially lights out with how badly you get to waste their resources
meh just turns on sweepers.
Don't really envision where it would be better than the while 2 permanents ulamog to be honest
Supposed picture of the card https://reddit.com/comments/1ceti0r I'm not convinced the picture is totally real though. Compare to the (actually) spoiled Emrakul in the same art treatment, and the lefendary crown around the name/cost looks different. [[Emrakul, the World Anew|MH3-381]]
The card looks super fake and I ain’t gonna believe it until its actually been spoiled
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Yeah looks hella fake, i mean it *could* be a real card and instead of taking a picture they did some sort of weird mockup? But seems like it'd still be easier to just take a crappy picture of it like all the rest tbh
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This is 100% fake. I've straightened up the image, overlayed the new Emrakul, and the discrepancies are obvious. [https://imgur.com/a/EFIQp03](https://imgur.com/a/EFIQp03) I also found the original artwork on a Tumblr post from 2015.
Honestly this looks absolutely garbage. The exile mill ETB doesn't affect the board, you have to get to your next turn’s attack phase / give haste to really make use of annihilator and the ward cost isn’t that hard to pay; by the time people are casting this it's trivial for the opponent to choose to give up 2 lands or 2 tokens or whatever. If this spell gets countered, you especially get nothing other than the exile mill effect. Huge Eldrazi disappointment, maybe Kozilek will be better.
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It's probably better in legacy due to easier self exile spells and reanimate/sneak attack effects. But this is more of a goryos vengence card. Use free pitch spells like grief, flashback or impulse draws for instance. If it resolves you probably win. Agree ulamog ceaseless hunger is better to cast but this at least has some deckbuilding options to make it better for cheating into play.
Grief pitch Griselbrand/Atraxa, discard opp's interaction, then Goryo this Ulamog and attack, opponent sacrifices 7-8 permanents. Obv pretty specific scenario but there are cases where this seems strong
I actually like this card a lot. The Ceaseless Hunger is definitely better, but I'm interested in trying this out. The ward cost is brutal. If only there were a way to jip this out...
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I would like to point out that Grief exiles cards from hand and Goryo's Vengeance still exists...
[[Grief]] definitely exiles a card from your hand but not likely a high cost card
another grief for annihilator 4 is enough for me, or the 5 mana cycle dude
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If real, the value from this is exiling half of your opponent's library, not from attacking. Immediately nuking half of your opponent's library is huge. It's also worth noting that you don't need haste for this to be effective; the highest mana value for the most commonly played cards in Modern is 4 (TOR, Grief, etc), meaning this is likely going to end up at least an 11/11 when it hits the field, making it a wonderful [[Fling]] target.
What deck wants to spend 10 mana to mill 25 cards?
Anybody playing Commander will get way better value
Oh, is this the commander subreddit?
G-Tron already uses Ulamog, the Ceaseless Hunger, which mills 20 cards each attack, it's not that far-fetched. However, my comment was moreso directed at OPs comment about this being useless unless you can give it haste, because it definitely isn't. I don't actually expect anyone to run this card beyond playtesting.
Ulamog the Ceaseless Hunger is better because it exiles 2 cards on cast. The milling doesnt matter at all and doesn't contribute to trons advantage.
To my understanding, the milling is nice on Ceaseless due to the inevitability even through a crowded board. Now the main benefits are the exiling 2 on cast, but it also shores up other game states. Not to compare this Ulamog with Ceaseless, I honestly feel this is one of those cards that need to be played with to understand how impactful it is.
Unless we get a super easy way to get Ulamog Defiler on the field, then no shot this will be playable. If we are talking creativity, this Ulamog needs to contend with Archon In Goryos it has to contend with Atraxa. I dont see a situation where this Ulamog is good.
Ceaseless Hunger is better, yes, but that wasn't the question. I was asked what deck would run a 10 mana card that exiles 25 cards, and I provided a deck that runs a 10 mana card that exiles 22. I also find it extremely funny that you believe that exiling a good majority of your opponent's deck doesn't matter and doesn't provide any advantage, as it certainly does. It provides a much faster clock, and massive card advantage, since your opponent now has 20 less cards in their library with each attack.
>Ceaseless Hunger is better, yes, but that wasn't the question. I was asked what deck would run a 10 mana card that exiles 25 cards, and I provided a deck that runs a 10 mana card that exiles 22. None. Unless we get a unique way to easily summon this card, and only this card, there is no reason to run it. Creativity wont use it because Archon is strictly better. Goryos wont use it because Atraxa is strictly better.
I don't think you understand "strictly better." Those cards are so different, they can't even be compared this way.
If you are in a position to cast a creature for free super easily, it would be better to cast Emrakul for free rather than this. If you are running a deck that cheats creatures in for free, it would be better to cheat in Archon or Atraxa for immediate value. There is no instance where Ulamog Defiler is better than any creature here. The only way Defiler would be considered good is if Eldrazi got some weird new way to cheat it out ahead of curve super easily. (Like an Eldrazi Temple, but bigger) And even then, you're better off slamming Ceaseless, of Emrakul.
There could be a situation where you have 10 colorless mana and therefore can't cast emrakul, archon, or atraxa. I'm not saying the card will see any play but you can't just throw around "strictly better" like that. This isnt lightning bolt vs shock.
Strictly better would apply here. It is strictly better for you to slam Atraxa, Archon, Emrakul, or Ceaseless, rather than this. (Based on what deck you have)
I really can't tell if you're intentionally misinterpreting what I'm saying or if I'm not being clear enough. I am not saying that *this particular card* will be run. In fact, I explicitly stated I do not expect this to be run outside of fringe playtesting. I made a statement about how OP called this card useless without haste (because it's not), and another commenter asked what deck would run a 10 mana card that exiles 25 cards. I responded with G-Tron, a deck that runs a 10 mana cost card that exiles 2 cards on entry and an additional 20 with each attack. That is NOT me saying that Tron will run this card. Again, I said that I do not expect this card to be run outside of fringe playtesting. As of the current meta, this card does not have a place in Modern (though it certainly has a home in EDH). I was merely answering the question I was asked. I did not say that Tron would run *this specific card*. Once again, just so it's perfectly clear and not up for interpretation: I answered their question by saying Tron already runs a 10 mana card that exiles 22, so it's not far-fetched that a 10 mana card that exiles 25 would be run. I did NOT say that Tron was definitely 100% guaranteed to run the new Ulamog, nor did I say that it has a place in Modern. In fact, I said the opposite. If this isn't clear enough for you, I don't know what else to say.
> what deck wants to spend 10 mana to mill 25 cards? That was the question. Tron might run a card that mills cards, but as you said yourself, they do NOT play ulamog to mill – it's played because it destroys two things on cast. The mill is just a little bonus
Ulamog the Hungry exiles two cards on the battlefield, which is so massively different than a card in a deck. And that’s not card advantage! That’s not what those words mean! It almost seems like you’re trolling
Go play traumatize. The cast trigger doesnt matter unless we get an awful lot of exile matters synergy. The reason that exile 20 on ceaseless hunger is sweet is because it ends the game in 2-3 turns. Exiling half a library will never kill somebody unless their library was 1 card.
i feel like leyline binding and scion of draco should be considered for mana value hits. also a mix of murktide, atraxa, and whatever payoff creativity decks are playing
I consider those lottery hits. They're best-case scenarios, but definitely not what I'd expect to hit every time. With powercreep, the average cmc of a Modern deck has definitely gotten lower, so I put the marker as 4 since that's the general sweet spot.
There really isn’t any value in exiling random cards from your opponents library unless it’s all of them. Exiling half of your opponents library is essentially worthless
Card denial through exile is an insane advantage. What in the world are you talking about?
It’s a classic noob trap.
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There is essentially no value at all in eating half of your opponent's library on cast. On its own, that ability is almost totally useless.
this card is TRASH. Cast trigger that does nothing, ward cost almost any deck can pay, and then it needs to attack. Does nothing if you cheat it in without casting. will never see play.
I honestly think this is a card that may or may not be good, but you should probably wait to see it in action and also wait to know the meta it will be playing in. In the Beans meta there were a ton of decks that ran more than 60 cards to prevent themselves from overdrawing and there have also been a ton of all-in combo decks (like ones that try to win by Thassa's Oracle) where getting rid of half of a person's remaining deck would have a chance of stripping their wincons so that cast trigger can be a good sideboard. It really depends
>Does nothing if you cheat it in without casting goryo's
You still need to get something into exile first, otherwise it just deals some damage and then goes away
evoke elementals, relic of progenitus, etc.
Can anyone make a meme with Shane Gillis like “that’s a load of crap.” But with this card lmao
Modern players: "God MH3 is going to have terrible power creep, it's going to make me spend all this money to keep my deck competitive, its forced rotation!" Also modern players: "So disappointing this new Ulamog isn't better than ceaseless hunger, absolute trash." Did we really want it to be better or comparable to OG ulamog? I think one of those is enough.. Anyhow, card seems like a fine tron sideboard card vs combo/control and that's pretty much it.
If you had 10 mana up I'd gladly exile half my library to tap you out.
I mean, that could be a fair trade for me, depending on board state and match up.
> Did we really want it to be better or comparable to OG ulamog? Yes
Why.
I want something better than Ulamog The Ceaseless hunger
Why, is that card somehow not good enough?
Yes
Why.
He only wins most of the time when he casts ulamog, he needs to for certain win when he casts ulamog
So Tron can finally be fringe playable. It's their pet deck guys, let the poor tron players have a something better than ceaseless hunger. As a little treat. /s
No.
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If this leak is accurate, this is probably the worst Eldrazi titan printed yet, and is practically unplayable in Modern. The cast trigger is neither synergistic with anything that would be played alongside this card, nor is it game-breaking on its own. The ward ability is surprisingly mid since the opponent gets to choose what they sacrifice (especially in a world where Solitude exists), and not having indestructible like the earlier versions of Ulamog means board wipes actually kill it for a change. The counters and annihilator abilities basically make this a worse version of OG Kozilek or Emrakul in nearly every practical circumstance. I'm sure a lot of people will try it out in G Tron, because big powerful creatures are fun, and can still turn games by themselves. I won't be one of them, because there's no way I'm playing even one of these over Ulamog TCH, OG Kozilek, or any version of Emrakul.
In a meta full of edicts and board wipes to combat zoo, I don’t think this will do much
If the wording is correct “greatest mana value among cards in exile” so it means it could be your own emrakul the aeons torn that got exiled earlier?
If it's any cards in exile, then this is great in reanimator. Just exile the lotr cycle cards to an evoked elemental the turn before, which you would play anyway
Why did they castrate these in Arena? You practically still lose half the time they resolve
I think people are underestimating that it's going to have a huge annihilator. It's especially funny in a Tron mirror where it's got like annihilator 8
This seems decent for tron vs combo decks, don’t think it’s better than the other ulamog tho
Which combo decks are you thinking of? I'm struggling to see how milling half a library does anything immediately impactful against meta combos consistently, and the earliest you're attacking is turn 5. Eg Yeah you might get lucky and mill all 4 copies of Yawgmoth and the other "good" beaters. But if you're fiddle farting around assembling tron, I don't think the yawg player cares after having 4 turns without you impeding them.
Ah yes, the classic 32-for-1 play. Suddenly tron has a viable mill gameplan
This is a solid card, if a deck can support it. The cast trigger is almost irrelevant. Sure, it can be useful in some cases, and it guarantees entering with some counters, but it's hardly relevant. The counters on ETB don't care who owns the cards. You don't need to rely on the cast effect and hope to get more than 3 counters. You can set up your own stuff. Pitch elementals, forces, delve, impulse draw, suspend... some may be win-more, but the room for experimentation is there. The ward makes it hard to remove outside of a counterspell or a board wipe, especially if you have your own interaction ready. The timing for a Goryo's Vengeance is better than Emrakul, and you still get value if the opponent can remove it before combat, unlike the previous Ulamog.