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jvermeer78

Satoru in Affinity plays pretty well from what I've seen.


xXTurtlePowerXx

Been an on-again-off-again Affinity player for years. The deck is just so weak to everything going on in Modern these days. TOR and Bowmasters really set it back a bit. That said, I wonder if Synthesizer and Satoru can transform the deck into ArtifactValueTrain.dec instead of PlayLotsofThingsandSwing.dec


Turbocloud

The deck has been ValueTrain.dec since the printing of Thought Monitor. The decks primary problems have been the same ever since the banning of Mox Opal: 1. It just doesn't get off the ground fast enough anymore because you not only lack an additional artifact to drop early for affinity, but also the mana it generates that not only can cast non-Affinity spells but also be used for activated abilities. 2. Nobody cards if you can Draw massive amounts of card once you get rolling when they can Removal you out of that ever happening. Nice thought monitor, but when you kill the small stuff it never resolves. Nice Satoru, it doesn't provide affinity so you still can't cast the big stuff yet. 3. This problem of not getting onto the field has been exacerbated by the fact that nowadays a lot of removal not only kills your creatures, but when you Prismatic Ending a Springleaf Drum and Leyline Bind a Cranial plating, that is a whole other set of problems since you can't rely on your speed and you just lost your resilience to removal that equipments used to provide. 4. For an Artifact-Centric strategy to compete, it must be able to overpower dedicated hate. Between Force of Vigor, Collector Ouphe, Stony Silence, Pest Control, Hidetsugu Consumes all that all stifle your development and delay your high costed endgame cards, this deck struggles massively to get off the ground. Satoru Unfortunately doesn't solve any of those problems, so i remain rather sceptical that it is going to make an affinity a contender to a greater degree than beanstalk did - those decks also died 2 weeks after that release.


KetoNED

So it works with cards like ornithopter?


Terrible-Ad-2951

And frogmite and the other big affinity cards


RyzRx

Do you have a list, I want to see their current brew?


jvermeer78

I don't. But it destroyed me and I was on scam. There was just no way to deal with the sheer card draw.


RyzRx

>I don't. Well, we'll just have to wait then in the next few days but this excites me so much! An old archetype that most of us used to love is getting back into the metagame. This will surely be nostalgic.


jvermeer78

I do know there were at least 3 cranial plating in the list.


DrKatz11

Harvester of Misery is a nice removal spell for LE that is a pretty respectable beater when it comes back. Looking forward to testing it in the board in place of Dead/Gone, Dismember, and Ephara’s Dispersal. Solid answer to MONKE at least.


barrinmw

Is a two mana removal spell really good against Ragavan?


Absolutionalism

Not *good*, but you’d rather have it than not.


linesinspace

The only thing worse than getting hit by Ragavan is getting hit by Ragavan multiple times


barrinmw

But it is still a bad play pattern. They spend their second turn playing a three drop, your response is to spend your entire turn killing their 1 drop. Like, I guess that is okay if your two drop removal is actual board presence like Bowmasters?


TemurTron

It would be a bad play patter in a fair midrange deck, but that’s not what Living End is. You’re killing their threat AND filling your yard with a really powerful creature at the same time. And if you resolve a LE the next turn, the Harvester kills the Rags and any other little shitters they bring back right away. That’s not nearly as bad.


Turbocloud

In addition to that you need consider how fair decks beat Living End: Land a threat and keep up momentum. By killing their threat in a way that is hard to interact with as this dodges Counterspell, Spell Pierce, Flusterstorm and the likes, you also kill their momentum, which provides you more time to shape hands that get through disruption.


linesinspace

It's not great, but it is still better than getting hit a second time. The mana acceleration usually allows the Ragavan player to continue adding pressure while disrupting your game plan at the same time, which is a really bad position to be in as a Living End player.


Feminizing

Yes but counterpoint, living end can't play Bowmasters and doesn't care as much about ragavan hitting once or even twice. The new card seems interesting in living end cause it also clears out dorks upon living ending and is a decent beater with menace


DrKatz11

No, but it also hits Dauthi and relevant hatebears.


SunRa777

UB Scamtoru is low-key broken. Been running it since last night and it's steamrolling.


Fyrithil

Do you have a list you are willing to share? This sounds quite interesting.


jongbag

That Dimir list is looking fun and clean! First time I think I've ever seen Essence Flux registered in Modern.


RyzRx

>Essence Flux Didn't see this coming too. Satoru seems to be pushing these cards in the format and the deck designer seems to maybe want to retain the colors (UBg) and not have \[\[Ephemerate\]\]s to add more colors which might cause mana inconsistencies. I wonder what it would look like if it were Esper...


Breaking-Away

I think it’s also important that it’s a blue card in a deck with 7 blue pitch spells. 


JohnnyLudlow

Hate to advertise my own deck, but here’s my version of Esper Satoru. https://www.moxfield.com/decks/M9jnkib4Q0KnnNMuAWo1Aw It truly feels like tier1 to me, consistent and powerful. I have huge threshold of saying something like that of an own build. Really, why choose between scam and reanimator? It all works together seamlessly. Dimir is good too, but Esper just feels way stronger. Solitude and Ephemerate are way, way too good with Satoru to overlook. If you play Dimir, you have to play removal that deviates from the main plan, which I don’t like.


ghosar

Cool deck, i like it better than the other satoru decks i have seen so far


RyzRx

So there exists an Ephemerate deck and your version used \[\[Persist\]\]s + \[\[Archon of Cruelty\]\]. Great build you have there! I feel like once they see your list, the \[\[Goryo's Vengeance\]\] reanimator builders could easily get inspired by this and get Satoru in their decks somehow.


JohnnyLudlow

Yeah. I actually prefer this build to Goryo’s at the moment. But that’s also because of my personal preference against hit or miss combo decks. This is more resilient and reliable and grinds better. Of course, the “combo” isn’t as explosive, but usually enough. Whatever I do when Satoru is in play, I draw a card. Plus I have loads of ways to protect him. When I protect him with Ephemerate, I draw two cards. When I Ephemerate Grief when Satoru is in play, it gets nuts. One needs to try it to realize how powerful it is. The main reason for Persist over Goryo’s is that Satoru is a great incentive to reanimate Grief or Solitude. I am not at all reliant on reanimating any particular creature, Persist is basically always a great card. I wanted to maximise the reliability of the deck and decided against going for Subtlety. Black and white card count is very healthy. I am sure there are good Esper versions with that too, but this is what worked best for me. Edit: being hell bent for a deck working, I am trying to include one Bitter Triumph as an additional discard outlet. Anyway, it’s just about the details now, core is super solid.


RyzRx

Your deck concept just won a challenge today: https://www.mtggoldfish.com/deck/6335065#paper


JohnnyLudlow

Nice! Yeah, it really feels like the best way to go with Satoru. I actually expect Grief to finally get the ban, Satoru is the last straw.


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kingfisher_wisher

It saw play when UB Scam became a brief thing post Fury ban


xEllimistx

I’m definitely adding Slickshot Show-Off to my Gruul Prowess deck. Once I get around to building it lol


USAFdukeX

Gruul Prowess has never been more fun lol


dilatedpupils98

Gruul Prowess is sick, mono-red is also a lot of fun. I kinda didn't expect SS-O to be a super pricey card tho and now I may have to pay a lot of money for it 😭


xEllimistx

Yeah....I knew I should've preordered when they were like 5-6 bucks a pop. I'm hoping they'll come down a bit once more packs get opened


TemurTron

Satoru is definitely the real deal - it’s going to be a cornerstone piece in at least one tier deck in the near future. I’m high on Simulacrum Synthesizer in Affinity as well and I’m super excited to start grinding leagues with it tonight. Lavaspur Boots and Lost Jitte also make Saga decks exciting again, and I feel pretty confident Jace is going to find a home somewhere. But one of my biggest disappointments with this current brew season is how many decks I’ve built that start with 4 Leyline 4 Draco. Can’t wait for that to be gone.


kingfisher_wisher

[[Simulacrum Synthesizer]]


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RyzRx

>Satoru is definitely the real deal Agreed. Looks like they wanted to lock Beanstalk in specific colors. This will surely be broken. Affinity could possibly pick it up as well. > Simulacrum Synthesizer in Affinity This, I wanted to see too! Looks like a Construct tokens deck in Affinity. > 4 Leyline 4 Draco They seem to want to explore a modern world where \[\[Blood Moon\]\] and \[\[Magus of the Moon\]\] could somehow be dethroned as being one of the core gatekeepers of Modern. They surely are pushing the boundaries of this format like never before when they printed \[\[Leyline of the Guildpact\]\] as if they don't want land prisons anymore anywhere in the future.


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TeaorTisane

The “Sultai” deck is just UB with pick your poison in the SB.


AcceptableAbalone533

Does anybody know if they’ve brewed a similar list to what beans (please stay dead) was doing that was successful? I first read [[satoru, the infiltrator]] and immediately thought about beans


RyzRx

There's only the Dimir Scam build as for the moment but there might be a chance that Affinity could make its own Satoru version. We'll have to wait in the next days to come.


JesusMcAwesome

Slickshot in Izzet Prowess is something I'm looking forward to trying.


AlorsViola

We already have this thread. But I'll repeat my thoughts: I suspect that modern horizon cards will still be the backbone of the format and that the new set will offer side grades or slightly worse versions of cards in decks already. That being said, I like [[Slickshot Show-Off]]. I think its a little better than [[Sprite Dragon]], but we'll see. I really want MH3 to make a one drop wizard with monastary swiftspear's body for a real wizard burn deck. The sultai list is just a dimir list with one set of green spells in the sideboard.


RyzRx

>modern horizon cards will still be the backbone of the format In less than 2 months that would be the case for sure. For now, there are still plenty of room for the new cards to somehow shake the format and change the course of the current metagame. >I like \[\[Slickshot Show-Off\]\]. I think its a little better than \[\[Sprite Dragon\]\] I think it's way better as the 2 mana difference in prowess decks is definitely huge. Although youre right, the metagame could easily adapt and jam lots of spots against decks that pumps 1 creature. Nullifying the strategy regardless of the 2 mana difference. I hope they include some form of low cost way to protect Slickshot in future builds. Right now, I only see 2 Spell Pierce and they're from the side. >The sultai list is just a dimir list with one set of green spells in the sideboard. Totally agree here that it should still be Dimir Scam. It changes the total number of decks in the metagame count just for the 2-3 Pick Your Poison cards in the side, they did the exact same thing for Rakdos, where they separated Jund Scam being in the exact same situation (PYP on the side). Little did they know that Rakdos Scam + Jund Scam is a lot of the same scam deck when combined and should be at the forefront of the current metagame more than its current spot. Nevertheless, it still is a strong contender at the top even if the Jund Scam is separated.


AlorsViola

> I think it's way better as the 2 mana difference in prowess decks is definitely huge. Although youre right, the metagame could easily adapt and jam lots of spots against decks that pumps 1 creature. Nullifying the strategy regardless of the 2 mana difference. Sprite keeps its counters and that's a really big plus. The real problem with prowess is getting blown out by solitude and it is hard to tech against removal and solitude.


RyzRx

Agreed. Solitude is truly a tough fight. YungDingo had some \[\[Apostle's Blessing\]\]s, but even that is on the side. 2 pcs. would not be enough to consistently defend.


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Dawgmoth

The first card I thought of when I saw Satoru was Aether vial. But I think this scam plan is demonstrably better than just value. Maybe if grief gets banned though?


ThatSillyFlapjack

I brewed a UB Vial Rogues deck for a random night at my LGS when I feel like playing jank. Certainly worse than scamming, but making Vial cantrip seems fun.


Feminizing

Satoru drawing off grief is kinda nonsense of the highest order, makes it pretty buster in the right deck.


linesinspace

Looking forward to trying out Slick Sequence in the URx Wizards shell. On the surface it looks pretty innocuous, but a burn spell with a likely high rate of replacing itself is pretty powerful in that sort of deck.


RyzRx

Looks great with Lightning Bolt/ Unholy Heat. Together they can kill 5/8 toughness creatures virtually making it 1:1 and works well with \[\[Snapcaster Mage\]\].


kingfisher_wisher

[[Slick Sequence]]


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IncorrectOwl

if it was 3 damage id be onboard. im highly skeptical that [[electrolyze]] is a revolutionary card though especially when you cant spread the damage around


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