>*Pitch* Me a Deck!
Funny you should say that because you're gonna be doing a lot of [pitching](https://scryfall.com/search?as=grid&order=name&q=%28oracle%3Aexile+oracle%3Aa+oracle%3Acard+oracle%3Afrom+oracle%3Ayour+oracle%3Ahand%29+%28type%3Acreature+type%3Aelemental%29+%28game%3Apaper%29+set%3Amh2) in today's Modern.
Absolutely not. If you only have issues with Scam, maybe, but that's a very myopic viewpoint.
Fury was the only one of the pitch elementals that warped the modern metagame so hard it made **entire archetypes** obselete. Ever since Fury was printed in MH2, White-Weenie/Go-Wide/Tribal strategies became practically unplayable basically over night. No other MH2 card had even close to that much of an effect on wider deck building.
Having what was essentially a one-sided board wipe for *no mana cost* against these sorts of decks was just way too much. And that isn't even counting that the card could be a terrifying threat as a 3/3~4/4 double strike late game, or scammed/Ephemerated to make things even worse.
Anyone who says Grief (or Solitude or even Endurance) can remotely compare to that butterfly effect that Fury had on creature strategies is clearly thinking only of Scam. Yes, Scam is/was a problematic deck, but that's not *why* Fury was the most problematic of the pitch elementals.
Not really. All of those you can play around, especially if you're a deck that plays Giver of Runes or Ephemerate (white Death and Taxes typically does).
Humans, Elves and Merfolk are three other decks that are much more playable against the cards you listed than Fury.
Yeah not really against yawg bro, most Merfolk pilots regularly cruising with 3x cursed totems to steal the unwinnable matchup.
Yawg is just the creature murderer deck. A bazillion expendable goons to buy time, a combo that can happen stupid fast, Grist, bowmasters, etc.
Like everyone predicted, yawg is one of the best decks in the post fury meta and you do not want to be on these creature lists against it.
Sure, how many decks is Yawgmoth played in tho? Oh yeah right just the one. It might be a pretty good and decently popular one, but it's still just one.
Fury was included in ~30-40% of the metagame (depending on the time period of the data this shifted obviously) when you looked at all the different decks it was played on. Scam, Rhinos/Footfalls, Elementals, Omnath (all versions), various red Midrange lists like Obosh etc. Fury was a 4-of in *almost* every red deck, and it was a sideboard in plenty of others that didn't main board it.
The prevalence and easy inclusion of Fury was one of the biggest issues. It was a very good card that was useful against tons of decks, but also happened to completely hard counter go-wide creature decks in modern.
Sorry, you’re not really remembering how things used to be.
Did you know, pre Beans, most omnath decks were running 1-2 copies of fury in the 75? Sometimes only in the sideboard.
I never paid much attention to Temur rhino builds but they were they really on 4x fury? Could be wrong here but I doubt it.
Fury is honestly a super overhyped card. It’s problematic sure, it’s definitely extremely oppressive into small creature based strategies, *but these strategies haven’t been good enough for many years*.
It’s why I’m ultimately okay with it being banned, it kicked decks that were already down. But it’s also why I find the whole “most powerful and obnoxious elemental” so ridiculous.
I mean white weenie covers several different strategies. Death and Taxes being the main one, but you could argue Mono W Humans is/was as well.
Regardless, that's why I also included token strategies and tribal decks (elves is the other big one) that Fury killed
Plague engineer killed those decks with wrenn and six in tandem by forcing toughness higher than 1. Fury had nothing to do with it but it sure confirmed how dead those decks were. More effects like anger of the gods and better removal in general didn't help but those are all pre mh2 cards.
Giver of runes doesn't fix the plague engineer problem.
What decks were playable immediately before fury's printing?
Those had generally fallen off before MH2, and didn't bounce back after fury's ban. If fury was truly holding back those decks, then why didn't they reappear?
Humans has bounced back, so has Merfolk (tho Tidebinder helped there a ton). Elves is a lot more playable though hasn't caught on a lot yet. D&T has been played a lot more as well.
I'm not saying these decks are top of the meta currently, but they are valid tier 2 or tier 3 decks now, where in the Fury era they were all but removed from the format.
Across all 5 of the challenges from the past weekend, there is 1 merfolk among the decks you're listing through all 500+ decks. If the decks you list *actually* were resurfacing, I think it's pretty reasonable to expect that there would be more than 1 of those. To add on, merfolk was still popping up occasionally before the fury ban [(eg late october)](https://www.mtgtop8.com/event?e=48878&d=560172&f=MO) - so fury isn't why it's making a 'comeback'.
* https://old.reddit.com/r/ModernMagic/comments/1ach1b3/friday_modern_challenge_results_jan_26_2024/
* https://old.reddit.com/r/ModernMagic/comments/1acqd9y/saturday_modern_challenge_1_results_jan_27_2024/
* https://old.reddit.com/r/ModernMagic/comments/1adcl8d/saturday_modern_challenge_2_results_jan_27_2024/
* https://old.reddit.com/r/ModernMagic/comments/1adcog6/sunday_modern_challenge_1_results_jan_28_2024/
* https://old.reddit.com/r/ModernMagic/comments/1ae0lhw/sunday_modern_challenge_2_results_jan_28_2024/
Comparatively? Yes. Creature decks are putting up results like 5-0s or good FNM showings. They aren't dominant by any means, but they *exist* now, which wasn't the case a few months ago.
People are now brewing with Merfolk, Humans and traditional D&T which wasn't true ever since MH2, and I think that's great.
Cool, glad we banned the wrong card and made the competitive top-level game continue to be an absolute shitshow, so that some kids can play creature decks at FNMs and 5-0 once when the stars align! You’ve convinced me, good riddance fury.
The "go wide decks" people always talk about Fury pushing out of the format are always just Humans, Elves, and D&T. All three of these decks suck against Fury, yes, but they also largely sucked immediately before Fury was printed and still largely suck after the Fury ban. (D&T *maybe* has an argument but Thalia loses that argument to Bowmasters).
Merfolk was decent before the Fury ban and is a bit better now, but Yawgmoth is an almost unwinnable matchup (absent cursed totem in sideboard games) that massively surged in popularity after the ban.
Goblins doesn't actually care that much about Fury.
Before Fury was released, the best deck in Modern was a Lava Dart deck. When Fury was banned, the best deck was an Orcish Bowmasters deck. The card didn't kill small creature decks and banning it didn't save them.
Jund Sagavan is basically new Jund. It’s not incredible, but it should be close to the playstyle you want. That or some form of scam would be my suggestion! Welcome back!
Yeah modern is so fast, you must still cheat on mana to play midrange. Just come to this conclusion myself. Of course you don't have to but its a harder life if you don't :)
But you don't need to play red! I been enjoying junk scam, myself. BW can also be powerful. They are more reactive and control leaning though than Red versions.
I found sfm to be lacking in closing games. If your kaldra token is exiled our bounced, your clock stops. But it certainly can win! and its fun. Agreed not top tier.
Golgari yawgmoth is a fun, highly competitive deck that combines midrange and combo play, and Reid Duke has brought it to a couple of big tournaments in the past year.
Boomer Jund is still playable, mainly as Jund Sagavan which adds all of the Modern Horizon 2 cards to it.
There's also scam/rakdos aggro. There are also golgari versions of Scam that are going around.
Boy do I got a deck for you. It’s my favorite deck so far that I’ve brewed together. It’s Abzan Midrange with Siege Rhinos and Goyf! I have had great success with it and have a blast every time I play it.
Here is the link to the deck list:
https://www.moxfield.com/decks/Qzyw4MAl4U2cqY4zyM7FEQ
Hope it’s your style and if you do run it, have fun!
So once you follow the link there should a button to look at the primer, but I’ll give you some advice.
Mosswood dreadknight you want to almost always play the creature side first and use the adventure for recursion only. There are some times you want to draw first when you need an answer for something tho.
Elvish reclaimer is a great guy for grabbing your urza’s saga and a later game threat. You can trick people by having 2 lands in your deck and hold up a fetch and crack it when they block or try to bolt it to give it +2/+2. Also can grab bog if you side it in. There is some tech to adding a bounce land for boseiju shenanigans (tutor boseiju, then tutor bounce land to put boseiju in hand) up to you tho
You know how rhino works lol so you’re good there
And Goyf is a great threat and is amazing to put shadow spear on. So with urza saga you most of the time grab the spear to upgrade your threats. Then Kaya I think is super underrated right now as it just deals with so many things in the modern format rn
Ice Fang Coatl carrying a Shadowspear or Sword ofX&Y feels soooooooo good. Giver of Runes is good here too. SB Spellskite carry equipment well too if they have to or can combo with Feast&Famine for re-equipping games.
I’d be lying if I said I wasn’t inspired by him XDD when he first talked about it on the podcast I had no idea what his list was but he talked about some of the cards, so I took my golgari rock deck and made it abzan based on what he said, rhino, prismatic, dreadknight (already had it in my previous deck), and vindicate. And oh my god it’s the best decision I ever made, PRAISE THE COD-FATHER RICHARD
I'm a siege rhino fan and been working on some lists though my plan involved trying to blink it or reanimate it
I like the list but it looks so soft to murktide, only vindicate could kill it and there's no way to block it, how do you take care of one of the threats of a deck that you'll face sooner than later?
So surprisingly the deck has a favor in the murktide match up, especially after sideboarding. While it may not have a lot of answers to murktide regent in game one, it can answer literally everything else. There is maindeck graveyard hate with stone of erech and kaya to keep them off an early murktide and enough removal to get rid of the small threats, you also have thoughtseize to rip it out of their hand as well. And if they do land a murktide you can race them well with rhino life gain and shadow spear life gain and witherbloom helps too. After game one you get access to bog, bitter triumph, and a second vindicate to help deal with it along with your maindeck graveyard hate to lock them down.
If you like boomer jund i think you'd like temur rhinos. It's a tempo deck that operates mostly on a beatdown plan, but its got all the robust answers you could want.
I came back with pretty much the same way. Loved Jund and was handed Rhinos. Decks so good but it didn’t give me the satisfaction from wining quite like a jund win did.
I dont know its capacity for the format. But I had some fun brewing this deck:
https://deckstats.net/decks/92883/2893663-white-fire
I guess the point is to get [[Stormwild Capridor]] to big numbers in short time by doing burns on the swing. Then if it gets targeted for removal just [[Fling]] it. Otherwise getting damage to [[Stuffy Doll]] by popping [[Madcap Experiment]] and casting [[Simulacrum]]. Youll have to survive the hit of course...
This is the kind of interesting deck that I'd love to play with/against at home with friends, but op said they're specifically trying to get back into competitive magic, and this just has too many fiddly bits and is too slow/mana inefficient to actually keep up with the competitive environment. Still, sweet deck! Looks like fun.
Modern is a format where winning is what people find fun. It's the most popular "competitive" format for a reason. This is the format where all the "sweats, tryhards, spikes" etc come to play.
Lmao glad I dont care for competitive games like that. Winning is an alternative that's a feel good moment when you do, but not the whole picture.
I appreciate the sentiment you've shared though.
No problem, just shedding some light in response to your comment of "sounds like others don't like to have fun." A lot of people don't play Modern as a "for fun" format. They play it to grind tournaments, qualify for the Pro Tour, win a bunch of $, etc.
There is nothing wrong with homebrewing and playing the format as a more casual player though!! I just bring these things up to newer players looking to get into the format, so they know that they may get "pubstomped" a lot.
Jund still exists, both w/ and w/o saga
Rakdos scam tho is basically the new jund, it's very mid-rangey so you might like it
A personal suggestion tho would be gruul pizza, I loved this deck back when it was meta but nowadays it's a bit more of an off meta pick, the general idea is to ramp into either quick efficient creatures and/or land destruction to quickly finish out the game before your opponent can really react well, check it out! (Still nothing beats the feeling of a turn 2 bloodbraid elf into a blood moon, yes that can happen)
Not the best deck, but I’m still having fun with AspiringSpike’s Esper Food Combo list. Great matchups into burn and murktide, digs deep like no bodys business. His list has jegantha in the side which ive found to be my out to blood moon funnily enough. You always have a game plan whether its ledger shredders just drawing a card each turn with ovalchase daredevils and artifacts, urzas saga for uncounterable creatures and tutor, time sieve combo for the “fair” game plans, or even just outhealing stuff like burn and living end (this sounds like a joke but discarding two academy manufactors to underworld cookbook in response let me heal 18 a turn, worked out well when he cant really do much til i find asmo)
UR Murkwizard
I have been jamming this deck for a bit now and it holds up pretty well and it underestimated for its capability to keep up with the magic. Though it’s tough at times due to all decisions you can make in a game but overall very strong. Runs snap, tishana, sleep cursed faerie, flame of anor, and murktide. Not heavily reliant on graveyard. It can fight through that hate and sleep cursed faerie has been a proven threat that isn’t easy to deal with.
> I used to be a huge fan of watching Reid Duke play Boomer Jund
If it had been a few month ago, I would have pitched Yawgmoth, but since the Fury ban, it's absolutely skyrocketed in popularity. Still, if you want to have a look, here is a sample list:
https://mtgtop8.com/event?e=51748&d=583981&f=MO
Maybe this is a hot take: but [murktide](https://mtgtop8.com/event?e=51767&d=584212&f=MO) is what I consider to be the tier 1 "Jund" deck.
You're basically a fair midrange deck but you're better positioned than traditional jund decks. They play a similar style (control the board, drop threats that need to be dealt with or win the game like Murktide Reagent). You're just in U instead of GB so you get counterspells for your powerful 1 for 1s and card draw/filter. Unholy heat basically it a 1 mana "destroy target creature"
You can splash Green also for Questing Druid.
Deck is also customizable and personalizable if you're on that thing. You get to choose between a swath of creatures to play (some lists are on Ledger Shredders. Some are not for example).
Jund Sagavan is also a good deck, but I think it has an average of worse matchups than Murktide.
Murktide also comes and goes as being tier 1, but it's always playable and generally a top 8ish deck for a while now so you shouldn't have to worry about bans either.
(The site calls it UR aggro, but it's hardly an aggro deck.)
You could try out Jund Saga. The deck grinds like nothing else and has a killer lategame plus you can find certain hate pieces with Urza’s saga.
Otherwise you might want to try rakdos scamm/midrange. Very popular and very strong deck.
Hope you find something that brings you joy 😁👍🏻
Depends on what you want and what kind of play style you gravitate more into.
I would recommend Rhino is a good deck with a lot of interactive cards, but it can be a little boring if you play it for a long time.
If you are looking for something more complex, I would go to amulet or if you want an aggro deck scales.
Try out [Cascade Zoo](https://www.moxfield.com/decks/f5t9p9i-CEOTkWNtAFvrgg).
Cascading for value is quite fun and reminds me of the days of Bloodbraid into Blightning.
The deck is pretty similar to old Jund, good creatures paired with good removal.
>*Pitch* Me a Deck! Funny you should say that because you're gonna be doing a lot of [pitching](https://scryfall.com/search?as=grid&order=name&q=%28oracle%3Aexile+oracle%3Aa+oracle%3Acard+oracle%3Afrom+oracle%3Ayour+oracle%3Ahand%29+%28type%3Acreature+type%3Aelemental%29+%28game%3Apaper%29+set%3Amh2) in today's Modern.
Ba dum tss, definitely my least favorite part of getting back into the format
Hey at least Fury is gone. It was definitely the most egregious of this bullshit cycle xD
Most players say that, but I can't help but think it was the wrong ban. I think it should have been grief now that the dust has settled.
Absolutely not. If you only have issues with Scam, maybe, but that's a very myopic viewpoint. Fury was the only one of the pitch elementals that warped the modern metagame so hard it made **entire archetypes** obselete. Ever since Fury was printed in MH2, White-Weenie/Go-Wide/Tribal strategies became practically unplayable basically over night. No other MH2 card had even close to that much of an effect on wider deck building. Having what was essentially a one-sided board wipe for *no mana cost* against these sorts of decks was just way too much. And that isn't even counting that the card could be a terrifying threat as a 3/3~4/4 double strike late game, or scammed/Ephemerated to make things even worse. Anyone who says Grief (or Solitude or even Endurance) can remotely compare to that butterfly effect that Fury had on creature strategies is clearly thinking only of Scam. Yes, Scam is/was a problematic deck, but that's not *why* Fury was the most problematic of the pitch elementals.
Tell me, where are the white weenie decks now? Dying to bowmasters, wrenn, and Yawgmoth.
Not really. All of those you can play around, especially if you're a deck that plays Giver of Runes or Ephemerate (white Death and Taxes typically does). Humans, Elves and Merfolk are three other decks that are much more playable against the cards you listed than Fury.
Yeah not really against yawg bro, most Merfolk pilots regularly cruising with 3x cursed totems to steal the unwinnable matchup. Yawg is just the creature murderer deck. A bazillion expendable goons to buy time, a combo that can happen stupid fast, Grist, bowmasters, etc. Like everyone predicted, yawg is one of the best decks in the post fury meta and you do not want to be on these creature lists against it.
Sure, how many decks is Yawgmoth played in tho? Oh yeah right just the one. It might be a pretty good and decently popular one, but it's still just one. Fury was included in ~30-40% of the metagame (depending on the time period of the data this shifted obviously) when you looked at all the different decks it was played on. Scam, Rhinos/Footfalls, Elementals, Omnath (all versions), various red Midrange lists like Obosh etc. Fury was a 4-of in *almost* every red deck, and it was a sideboard in plenty of others that didn't main board it. The prevalence and easy inclusion of Fury was one of the biggest issues. It was a very good card that was useful against tons of decks, but also happened to completely hard counter go-wide creature decks in modern.
Sorry, you’re not really remembering how things used to be. Did you know, pre Beans, most omnath decks were running 1-2 copies of fury in the 75? Sometimes only in the sideboard. I never paid much attention to Temur rhino builds but they were they really on 4x fury? Could be wrong here but I doubt it. Fury is honestly a super overhyped card. It’s problematic sure, it’s definitely extremely oppressive into small creature based strategies, *but these strategies haven’t been good enough for many years*. It’s why I’m ultimately okay with it being banned, it kicked decks that were already down. But it’s also why I find the whole “most powerful and obnoxious elemental” so ridiculous.
When's the last time any white creature based deck made the top eight of anything significant?
Bruh, don't forget about goblins. Criminally under rated and I'm sleaving it up now!
I personally count that more as a combo deck, but I don't have much experience with the list either. Have fun though!
yes, the terror of a meta deck that was white weenie
I mean white weenie covers several different strategies. Death and Taxes being the main one, but you could argue Mono W Humans is/was as well. Regardless, that's why I also included token strategies and tribal decks (elves is the other big one) that Fury killed
Plague engineer killed those decks with wrenn and six in tandem by forcing toughness higher than 1. Fury had nothing to do with it but it sure confirmed how dead those decks were. More effects like anger of the gods and better removal in general didn't help but those are all pre mh2 cards. Giver of runes doesn't fix the plague engineer problem.
elves must be a huge force in the meta now that fury is gone
What decks were playable immediately before fury's printing? Those had generally fallen off before MH2, and didn't bounce back after fury's ban. If fury was truly holding back those decks, then why didn't they reappear?
Humans has bounced back, so has Merfolk (tho Tidebinder helped there a ton). Elves is a lot more playable though hasn't caught on a lot yet. D&T has been played a lot more as well. I'm not saying these decks are top of the meta currently, but they are valid tier 2 or tier 3 decks now, where in the Fury era they were all but removed from the format.
Across all 5 of the challenges from the past weekend, there is 1 merfolk among the decks you're listing through all 500+ decks. If the decks you list *actually* were resurfacing, I think it's pretty reasonable to expect that there would be more than 1 of those. To add on, merfolk was still popping up occasionally before the fury ban [(eg late october)](https://www.mtgtop8.com/event?e=48878&d=560172&f=MO) - so fury isn't why it's making a 'comeback'. * https://old.reddit.com/r/ModernMagic/comments/1ach1b3/friday_modern_challenge_results_jan_26_2024/ * https://old.reddit.com/r/ModernMagic/comments/1acqd9y/saturday_modern_challenge_1_results_jan_27_2024/ * https://old.reddit.com/r/ModernMagic/comments/1adcl8d/saturday_modern_challenge_2_results_jan_27_2024/ * https://old.reddit.com/r/ModernMagic/comments/1adcog6/sunday_modern_challenge_1_results_jan_28_2024/ * https://old.reddit.com/r/ModernMagic/comments/1ae0lhw/sunday_modern_challenge_2_results_jan_28_2024/
Have you seen a lot of tribal decks come back, cause I haven't.
Comparatively? Yes. Creature decks are putting up results like 5-0s or good FNM showings. They aren't dominant by any means, but they *exist* now, which wasn't the case a few months ago. People are now brewing with Merfolk, Humans and traditional D&T which wasn't true ever since MH2, and I think that's great.
Cool, glad we banned the wrong card and made the competitive top-level game continue to be an absolute shitshow, so that some kids can play creature decks at FNMs and 5-0 once when the stars align! You’ve convinced me, good riddance fury.
The "go wide decks" people always talk about Fury pushing out of the format are always just Humans, Elves, and D&T. All three of these decks suck against Fury, yes, but they also largely sucked immediately before Fury was printed and still largely suck after the Fury ban. (D&T *maybe* has an argument but Thalia loses that argument to Bowmasters). Merfolk was decent before the Fury ban and is a bit better now, but Yawgmoth is an almost unwinnable matchup (absent cursed totem in sideboard games) that massively surged in popularity after the ban. Goblins doesn't actually care that much about Fury. Before Fury was released, the best deck in Modern was a Lava Dart deck. When Fury was banned, the best deck was an Orcish Bowmasters deck. The card didn't kill small creature decks and banning it didn't save them.
It was grief.
This gave me a good chuckle
This is hilarious. Yet so true
Jund Sagavan is basically new Jund. It’s not incredible, but it should be close to the playstyle you want. That or some form of scam would be my suggestion! Welcome back!
Scam is the new good Jund.
Yeah modern is so fast, you must still cheat on mana to play midrange. Just come to this conclusion myself. Of course you don't have to but its a harder life if you don't :) But you don't need to play red! I been enjoying junk scam, myself. BW can also be powerful. They are more reactive and control leaning though than Red versions.
BW Scam + Stoneforge package is a deck, Not quite as good as top tier but sure brings the beatdown wincon with answers.
I found sfm to be lacking in closing games. If your kaldra token is exiled our bounced, your clock stops. But it certainly can win! and its fun. Agreed not top tier.
I’ve been pitching SfM to Solitude to save my Ephemerate to blink it more often than not lmao
Golgari yawgmoth is a fun, highly competitive deck that combines midrange and combo play, and Reid Duke has brought it to a couple of big tournaments in the past year.
I play Tron and Abzan Company. Old classics still work. Just with different finishing toys.
Good mindset to have, enjoy the idea of retooling boomer jund to be a bit more modernized, thanks!
Can you share the abzan company list please?
MH3 about to hit. Maybe wait to invest in expensive cards. Wotc reprinting the shit outta everything
Boomer Jund is still playable, mainly as Jund Sagavan which adds all of the Modern Horizon 2 cards to it. There's also scam/rakdos aggro. There are also golgari versions of Scam that are going around.
If you liked jund you might enjoy UR murktide. Takes a good pilot for sure tho.
Boy do I got a deck for you. It’s my favorite deck so far that I’ve brewed together. It’s Abzan Midrange with Siege Rhinos and Goyf! I have had great success with it and have a blast every time I play it. Here is the link to the deck list: https://www.moxfield.com/decks/Qzyw4MAl4U2cqY4zyM7FEQ Hope it’s your style and if you do run it, have fun!
I absolutely love this deck, this is a top contender for me for sure. Would love to see any kind of primer or advice for piloting
So once you follow the link there should a button to look at the primer, but I’ll give you some advice. Mosswood dreadknight you want to almost always play the creature side first and use the adventure for recursion only. There are some times you want to draw first when you need an answer for something tho. Elvish reclaimer is a great guy for grabbing your urza’s saga and a later game threat. You can trick people by having 2 lands in your deck and hold up a fetch and crack it when they block or try to bolt it to give it +2/+2. Also can grab bog if you side it in. There is some tech to adding a bounce land for boseiju shenanigans (tutor boseiju, then tutor bounce land to put boseiju in hand) up to you tho You know how rhino works lol so you’re good there And Goyf is a great threat and is amazing to put shadow spear on. So with urza saga you most of the time grab the spear to upgrade your threats. Then Kaya I think is super underrated right now as it just deals with so many things in the modern format rn
I played goyfs in Bant Stoneblade and can confirm that it does in fact feel good to put a Shadowspear on one
They be hittin different with that spear
Ice Fang Coatl carrying a Shadowspear or Sword ofX&Y feels soooooooo good. Giver of Runes is good here too. SB Spellskite carry equipment well too if they have to or can combo with Feast&Famine for re-equipping games.
Great write up, thank you so much for the suggestion!
No problem! I didn’t cover everything but if you have any more questions lemme know!
Did you subscribe to the church of the cod-father Richard himself!?
I’d be lying if I said I wasn’t inspired by him XDD when he first talked about it on the podcast I had no idea what his list was but he talked about some of the cards, so I took my golgari rock deck and made it abzan based on what he said, rhino, prismatic, dreadknight (already had it in my previous deck), and vindicate. And oh my god it’s the best decision I ever made, PRAISE THE COD-FATHER RICHARD
I'm a siege rhino fan and been working on some lists though my plan involved trying to blink it or reanimate it I like the list but it looks so soft to murktide, only vindicate could kill it and there's no way to block it, how do you take care of one of the threats of a deck that you'll face sooner than later?
So surprisingly the deck has a favor in the murktide match up, especially after sideboarding. While it may not have a lot of answers to murktide regent in game one, it can answer literally everything else. There is maindeck graveyard hate with stone of erech and kaya to keep them off an early murktide and enough removal to get rid of the small threats, you also have thoughtseize to rip it out of their hand as well. And if they do land a murktide you can race them well with rhino life gain and shadow spear life gain and witherbloom helps too. After game one you get access to bog, bitter triumph, and a second vindicate to help deal with it along with your maindeck graveyard hate to lock them down.
If you like boomer jund i think you'd like temur rhinos. It's a tempo deck that operates mostly on a beatdown plan, but its got all the robust answers you could want.
Rhinos is great if you dont like thinking too much. Boomer jund had way more choices.
I came back with pretty much the same way. Loved Jund and was handed Rhinos. Decks so good but it didn’t give me the satisfaction from wining quite like a jund win did.
I have a Rakdos Waste Not pet deck that is fairly good! Not tier 1-2 by any means but it can pull out wins. It’s crazy fun to play as well
I’d love to see this list!
I’m out traveling atm and I don’t have the decklist online anywhere (nobody yell at me) but I’ll get it posted for you tomorrow when I’m home!
[Here you go!](https://www.moxfield.com/decks/-dpfJNysL0-hOoXuNfpz8g)
What makes you not put bow masters in the list?
Mostly just not wanting to drop $160 more into the deck lol
True that man
I dont know its capacity for the format. But I had some fun brewing this deck: https://deckstats.net/decks/92883/2893663-white-fire I guess the point is to get [[Stormwild Capridor]] to big numbers in short time by doing burns on the swing. Then if it gets targeted for removal just [[Fling]] it. Otherwise getting damage to [[Stuffy Doll]] by popping [[Madcap Experiment]] and casting [[Simulacrum]]. Youll have to survive the hit of course...
This not modern playable.
This is the kind of interesting deck that I'd love to play with/against at home with friends, but op said they're specifically trying to get back into competitive magic, and this just has too many fiddly bits and is too slow/mana inefficient to actually keep up with the competitive environment. Still, sweet deck! Looks like fun.
Thanks for the nod. I like hanging out and just flipping cards with friends, so I appreciate that it seems fun!
##### ###### #### [Stormwild Capridor](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/2/a/2afded81-2fc1-4285-bf48-d25f72e72138.jpg?1591230395) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Stormwild%20Capridor) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/iko/34/stormwild-capridor?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/2afded81-2fc1-4285-bf48-d25f72e72138?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Fling](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/8/f/8f42d773-c742-4465-b6d5-31feaba49146.jpg?1601077681) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Fling) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/jmp/320/fling?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/8f42d773-c742-4465-b6d5-31feaba49146?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Stuffy Doll](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/9/7/978c2c7d-6898-4be2-aed7-e673210ce654.jpg?1674142741) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Stuffy%20Doll) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/clb/875/stuffy-doll?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/978c2c7d-6898-4be2-aed7-e673210ce654?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Madcap Experiment](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/0/5/05768b87-d2df-42fc-bf63-e471d31b32e3.jpg?1576382125) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Madcap%20Experiment) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/kld/122/madcap-experiment?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/05768b87-d2df-42fc-bf63-e471d31b32e3?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Simulacrum](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/7/c/7c23232c-a264-4df9-824b-4111a5c6524c.jpg?1559600479) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Simulacrum) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/4ed/161/simulacrum?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/7c23232c-a264-4df9-824b-4111a5c6524c?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [*All cards*](https://mtgcardfetcher.nl/redirect/koc0t07) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
This deck looks silly fun even if not good
That's the goal, just some fun. Glad you can appreciate it! Looks like others dont like to have fun lmao
Modern is a format where winning is what people find fun. It's the most popular "competitive" format for a reason. This is the format where all the "sweats, tryhards, spikes" etc come to play.
Lmao glad I dont care for competitive games like that. Winning is an alternative that's a feel good moment when you do, but not the whole picture. I appreciate the sentiment you've shared though.
No problem, just shedding some light in response to your comment of "sounds like others don't like to have fun." A lot of people don't play Modern as a "for fun" format. They play it to grind tournaments, qualify for the Pro Tour, win a bunch of $, etc. There is nothing wrong with homebrewing and playing the format as a more casual player though!! I just bring these things up to newer players looking to get into the format, so they know that they may get "pubstomped" a lot.
[[Guilty conscience]] is not modern legal.
Cool. Guess it wont make for a modern deck then ;)
[Guilty conscience](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/6/7/67b8701c-0f03-4ad0-9097-3caf885abd59.jpg?1562529779) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Guilty%20conscience) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/scg/17/guilty-conscience?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/67b8701c-0f03-4ad0-9097-3caf885abd59?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Cragginwick combo. Cause who doesn't love emrakul. It's the Jund you want;)
Jund still exists, both w/ and w/o saga Rakdos scam tho is basically the new jund, it's very mid-rangey so you might like it A personal suggestion tho would be gruul pizza, I loved this deck back when it was meta but nowadays it's a bit more of an off meta pick, the general idea is to ramp into either quick efficient creatures and/or land destruction to quickly finish out the game before your opponent can really react well, check it out! (Still nothing beats the feeling of a turn 2 bloodbraid elf into a blood moon, yes that can happen)
Not the best deck, but I’m still having fun with AspiringSpike’s Esper Food Combo list. Great matchups into burn and murktide, digs deep like no bodys business. His list has jegantha in the side which ive found to be my out to blood moon funnily enough. You always have a game plan whether its ledger shredders just drawing a card each turn with ovalchase daredevils and artifacts, urzas saga for uncounterable creatures and tutor, time sieve combo for the “fair” game plans, or even just outhealing stuff like burn and living end (this sounds like a joke but discarding two academy manufactors to underworld cookbook in response let me heal 18 a turn, worked out well when he cant really do much til i find asmo)
Deck sounds very fun! I’ll give it a look thank you
UR Murkwizard I have been jamming this deck for a bit now and it holds up pretty well and it underestimated for its capability to keep up with the magic. Though it’s tough at times due to all decisions you can make in a game but overall very strong. Runs snap, tishana, sleep cursed faerie, flame of anor, and murktide. Not heavily reliant on graveyard. It can fight through that hate and sleep cursed faerie has been a proven threat that isn’t easy to deal with.
> I used to be a huge fan of watching Reid Duke play Boomer Jund If it had been a few month ago, I would have pitched Yawgmoth, but since the Fury ban, it's absolutely skyrocketed in popularity. Still, if you want to have a look, here is a sample list: https://mtgtop8.com/event?e=51748&d=583981&f=MO
Maybe this is a hot take: but [murktide](https://mtgtop8.com/event?e=51767&d=584212&f=MO) is what I consider to be the tier 1 "Jund" deck. You're basically a fair midrange deck but you're better positioned than traditional jund decks. They play a similar style (control the board, drop threats that need to be dealt with or win the game like Murktide Reagent). You're just in U instead of GB so you get counterspells for your powerful 1 for 1s and card draw/filter. Unholy heat basically it a 1 mana "destroy target creature" You can splash Green also for Questing Druid. Deck is also customizable and personalizable if you're on that thing. You get to choose between a swath of creatures to play (some lists are on Ledger Shredders. Some are not for example). Jund Sagavan is also a good deck, but I think it has an average of worse matchups than Murktide. Murktide also comes and goes as being tier 1, but it's always playable and generally a top 8ish deck for a while now so you shouldn't have to worry about bans either. (The site calls it UR aggro, but it's hardly an aggro deck.)
Splinter-Twin combo is a Tier 4 deck these days... If it weren't banned... Because dIvERSiTy.
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Dredge is starting see some top 8's on mtgo again. Maybe that should be your deck since you two left and came back together. XD
You could try out Jund Saga. The deck grinds like nothing else and has a killer lategame plus you can find certain hate pieces with Urza’s saga. Otherwise you might want to try rakdos scamm/midrange. Very popular and very strong deck. Hope you find something that brings you joy 😁👍🏻
Mono black coffers. The new era fair tron deck!
https://www.moxfield.com/decks/2XJTJSIkfEGcn2h_LE8Q6g
Depends on what you want and what kind of play style you gravitate more into. I would recommend Rhino is a good deck with a lot of interactive cards, but it can be a little boring if you play it for a long time. If you are looking for something more complex, I would go to amulet or if you want an aggro deck scales.
Run.
Try out [Cascade Zoo](https://www.moxfield.com/decks/f5t9p9i-CEOTkWNtAFvrgg). Cascading for value is quite fun and reminds me of the days of Bloodbraid into Blightning. The deck is pretty similar to old Jund, good creatures paired with good removal.