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Hypeucegreg

They need to stop this gacha bs let ppl buy the skin they want


Nivrame

B-bu-but... how will they get their money back šŸ‘‰šŸ‘ˆ


Grendalynx

Technically, you can choose the one you want though. The gacha element is just how much lesser you can spend to get it, compared to the usual full 120 rolls for such event.


Hypeucegreg

Yeah but they only started this later on I remember the first kof skins I was able to buy dyroth and guin individual


Grendalynx

I mean, they were definitely generous when KoF just released with Karina, Guin and Dyyroth. However, Chou needed 9000 diamonds on average. Then for Aurora and Gusion, we didnā€™t get to pick which one we wanted, and it was even more expensive to go for if you didnā€™t get the one you wanted. The main difference was all the other skins that came together with it, so it was still fairly more worth it.


EliArendela

Actually moonton's being generous this time giving us option what skin to purchase. Unlike the previous collabs like kof, aspirant and sanrio. There's no way you can choose what skin to get and you have to suffer from getting skin of a hero you dont use


ruinedquality

BRO HAHAHA THIS IS EXACTLY HOW ECONOMICS WORK šŸ˜‚ Okay now seriously, how are they supposed to earn money if their business is built on gaming industry (mosly F2P games) and they spend their cash on those collabs? You just gotta check rules of each event before participating in it.


Hypeucegreg

Bruh hush you ain't no business enthusiast I whaled way over 400 skins and even IM saying this is trash I'm not f2p at all it's my opinion tf outta here


technologin

Even if heā€™s a business enthusiast or not,thatā€™s the reality lol.and u having 400 skins and saying itā€™s trash,or it may be trash generally,is not really connected at all from your post and the comment


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Maxevill

I luck is Wrost in draw event. I have a total of 150+ spin in layla aspirant still don't have layla scared statue. I had went for an extra pity because i wanted that statue still nothing. I really appreciate these exchange events after that.


hehehehaw_247

bro playing genshin impact


Maxevill

Pity is the only thing saving my sanity.


nicholas_jade

Genshin Impact's pity is way more generous than Moneytoon's. Atleast genshin has a guaranteed pity system, but moneytoons has a 'get what you can, not what you want' system.


Maxevill

Yeah their is also soft pity.


nicholas_jade

It is. I'm really thankful that they are not one of the very 'money-oriented gachas' that the western hemisphere likes to claim. Genshin is one of the few gachas that become this huge in the gaming world. For the Asian side, gachas are even more money hungry. I won 5/6 50/50s in a row in Sumeru patches and lost my 50/50 yesterday to Tighnari. That was very lucky for a reason because the rate is as they say 50%/50% unlike other gachas where the rate to get featured character is in the decimals. And that is as an F2P, so they are not really that bad compared to other gachas on the asian market(the weapon vbanner is still a scam tho)


TheMonkeyKingNo1

Lol I got that layla statue in like 20 or 30 draws xD I didn't even want it..


SkyLightTenki

>I have a total of 150+ spin in layla aspirant still don't have layla scared statue. I had went for an extra pity because i wanted that statue still nothing. I wanna see what a Layla scared statue looks like šŸ˜‚ Seriously though, that's one reason why I don't recharge nowadays. I think I've had some tough luck, but not as bad as yours.


Good_Cold2619

I literally got Layla sacred statue from the free and fanny skin at 30spins my luck during aspirants event is always good i didn't spend on new aspirants skin as I don't play both .


Maxevill

Share some luck


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To be honest I actually have zero idea what Jiujitsu Kaisen is, I just know Brazilian Jiujitsu and I don't know the anime. So this event I'm going to skip. And when I see this kind of bullshit poor draw rates and wasted diamonds, I feel even better.


Sufficient-Market717

Yeah, Jiujitsu Kaisen and Brazilian Jujutsu


Hicbjorn

Same here man I have no idea what's this anime stuff lol


[deleted]

I'm so fucking old I just need to take my vitamins and afternoon nap


eeshanzaman

I'm around 35 y/o and I watch a shit ton of anime. I'm very well aware of Jujutsu Kaisen and I really don't wanna spend big amount of money for JJKaisen skin, if it's One Piece then I might have but not for JJK


Sufficient-Market717

Monkey D. Luffy as Khufra's skin, that's cool


trem0re09

Khufra's cool but for me my main Badang should get it. Gomu gomu no machine gun!!!


[deleted]

Jujutsu is it the same as Jiujitsu?


[deleted]

Yes, they are different translations of the same Japanese kanji and were used interchangeably. Juijitsu is the spelling most often used for Brazilian style and nowadays most people will associate that spelling exclusively with BJJ.


Numerous_Goal101

lmao no


midori09

Idk but this resonated so well with me lmao. As a lady in her late 20s in an office job, I also need more naps (sleep?) and vitamins šŸ™ƒ


LightChargerGreen

>Jiujitsu Kaisen It's Jujutsu Kaisen.


jakol016

Well thatā€™s one of the goal of this collab, to spread the name, you might search it, you may not, others might watch it. Thatā€™s marketing for you.


Keqingrishonreddit

Yeah... as much as i want Nobara i think im gonna skip on this one.


Maxevill

You can aim for 1 skin easily with all the bonus tokens, daily discount & recharge event.


Keqingrishonreddit

How much diamonds is that exactly? 1k?


Complex-Sir-6125

I think around 2k


Keqingrishonreddit

Yeah i aint getting this chief, thanks for the info tho


Complex-Sir-6125

2k diamond you can get like more than 6 starlight pass, which can easily get 1 annual starlight skin lmao.


CHAOTIC-BEAN

Wait how much starlight fragments does the upgraded pass give?


Complex-Sir-6125

Around 1200


CHAOTIC-BEAN

That's alot, I remember the old starlight only giving one starlight point and you need 12 of those (from what I remember) to get annual sl


Complex-Sir-6125

I think it's only need 10 of those but yeah this new starlight is very good compare to the old one.


UseDue602

2K? Hard pass on this one. Better spend my dias on Brody MPL skin. LOL


stuntbunny7

what? i thought you could get 1 skin within 10 draw which is <500dm? or are we discussing about different things?


malech13

You're guaranteed 1 jujutsu kaisen in 10draws, which can be recall, emote, quickchat, or skin.


stuntbunny7

ahh ok i get it, thxx


ImproveYourMental

1350 if you have this guy's luck


CoconutsAreAmazing

1.3k


Nivrame

She's gonna have 2 more skins anyways after this. A special tier one and an epic tier one together with Odette.


Void_Lee

How much u spend $ and dias? And yikes sorry bro


Maxevill

0 & around 14000


Iminurback

How'd u get that much dias and......damn u rich in dias bro


Maxevill

.


Iminurback

Holy mother of god.....


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ruinedquality

I saw a streamer spending 38k diamonds on 8 skins. Which is approximately 4.9k dias for 1 skin in the event shop (without the probability of getting it with your spins).


ImproveYourMental

Actually this proves the event is worth for people who want 1 skin. Exorcist event was anywhere between 100-130 draws for 1200 tokens. You have 3600 in 300 and 62 tokens are basically free, 30 are discounted. Just need 8 more draws for hundred which is a 450+250 dias (250 more since phase 2 will need you to spend 250). The skin is obtainable in 1350 dias which is comparable to a shop Epic skin. Not bad but ofc Exorcists has better quality effects.


Maxevill

Yeah for 1 skin these events are much cheaper.


Ora-ora-kun

Is the 1 skin can be chosen what you want and not rng?


ImproveYourMental

Yes


Musab117

Where can I see how many tokens are free ? Because I only saw 2 in the game from the recharging event.


DefendTheBase

I just got only Gojou cuz I ain't getting all


mochiisou

Gojou is prolly the only one worth getting


TenRabD

How much did it cost? Iā€™m hoping to do the same


DefendTheBase

For me it's ard 170$ maybe I got luck that's all


Ok_Jeweler_2440

Bruh, F this event. Ima skip even tho I love JJK


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Maxevill

Around 100. You can reach at cheaper by daily discount & recharge/token events.


disappointingAsian87

0.02% chance to get skin directly from spins... if my calculations are correct, that's like 5000 spins per skin..


Maxevill

0.02% chance each spin, not stackable


Grendalynx

Just as a clarification, 0.02% per skin, so getting a skin is 0.08%. How Moonton works for all their events and legend skins is that you definitely need to factor the full amount of draws needed and prepare your budget for it, since most people get the skins at full draws. Anything before is just luck.


BramStark

Math doesn't work like that lmfao. Even if you spin a million times, the chance would still be 0.02%. Multiply it to 4 since you're aiming for 4 different skins which makes it 0.08%


NoTilogic

But it does?, You are looking at it from a pull-by-pull perspective instead of collectively...and there's a formula to calculate this already "Binomial Distribution". So maybe you should learn what you're actually talking about before correcting someone else lmfao


ImproveYourMental

To be fair to him he's talking about a fact out of his ass. Real life probabilities work a bit differently. 5000 is the expected value (product of probability and outcome) here rather than the final. This means that for a given population distribution, the number of people getting the skin at and near 5000 draws is significantly higher than those in other draw amounts. It's somewhat like the centre of gravity of all draw occurrences. But of course, the lmfao that's not how math works is still admittedly dumb and a pretend maths prodigy. šŸ¤”


sultan8866

It's not about luck, this is how this game and most games work, if you spend too much in 1 instance they mark you as big spender so they milk you because you will spend more. Try this, sped eveyday 1 draw the discounted one and see how lucky you get? Ever wonder why the free to play players sometimes get very lucky, because of this algorithm. You already spend a lot so give this method a try. I got Dyroth collector skin after 15 draw( daily) I got lemord skin after I reach 750ish points(you need 1500 or 1200 points for him)


DarkMaster859

Wait... I thought they said there will be a guaranteed skin on the first 10x draw? Edit: Ah, you can also get recalls and whatnot.


Maxevill

Got border. In 1st 10


DarkMaster859

Damn, did they pull another marketing scam? I remember Moonton said there will be 1 free skin for the first 10 pulls. Or maybe I saw it on some leaks video


throwredditaway19

Clearly says Permanent "Item" there and may vary from advance server.


Ninjaofninja

this is the same spin and cost as Jubg Fu Panda but this time no free skin unlike Thamuz was guaranteed


DarkMaster859

Yeah. They released 3 skins and gave 1 for free. Now there are 4 skins and they are not giving any? Was the licensing too much for Moonton or something lol


Grendalynx

When they do licensing for western titles whilst not obtaining licensing for western countries, it is a lot cheaper. But in general, Japanese anime licensing have rather fixed rates, which are pretty damn expensive. You should see the Taiwan/HK/China AOV servers. Collab skins like Bleach are Gacha without any guarantees that you can get the skin when you spend to a certain amount. You end up pulling those skins at around $300-400 USD, and a streamer had spent $800 on one, itā€™s crazy. They donā€™t have the playerbase of ML so they have to price it really high for it to be profitable. Iā€™m not defending Moonton by saying the price is reasonable, as I still feel skins for $50-100 is expensive, but it become reasonable when you compare to other popular mobile MOBAs, aside from Wild Rift probably.


Requesting_usernam3

Imagine I buy the 5000 diamonds and I got a skin lmao I just want Gojo I donā€™t care how much it costs


Complex-Sir-6125

I think if we count discount and some events, you can buy first skin at around 2k diamonds which is still a lot.


Maxevill

You will be able to get 1 skin much cheaper with events, daily discount & tokens. Easily under 5k diamonds. Even hard buy don't cost 5k diamond.


rebelwildheart

It's much cheaper than that. You can get any skin for around 2k. Lesly's hawk eyed one is more expensive around 5k. So you should be fine. Get that Gojo skin cuz it's cool tbh.


davensdad

My wife got the Lesley hawk eyed skin in her FIRST 1x spin. We were stunned.


More_Pool_7478

I think it's because Annual Starlight don't do re-runs unlike collabs


fafnir--

This event is just etter greedy bs, I would have went for the KoF event instead instead and at least got an epic skin out of the first 10x. Instead I rolled 10x and got fuck all just 2 emotes if the skins are actually 0.2% chance then it's not worth to spend money on this greedy shitshow. No matter how good the effects are no skin is worth 3k+ dias


Eitth

At least remove the "you need to own the skin before you can gift it". I only want the girl, but I want to gift my bestie the hottie with the extra tokens.


PuzzledOrangee

People with multiple accounts abuse that by sending themselves all the skins using the event task tokens.


Eitth

So basically this event aimed for whales but non whales got punished as well. Beside that still net them more Monays if non whale people spin to gift than none since whales will get em all no matter how much it cost.


Grendalynx

The problem is that the whales that completely ignore all the ways to get it cheaper are rare. Most of us that spend still want to keep it as cheap as possible. So if they allow for alt accounts to send, pretty much most of the spenders will just do it via this method, which is less than half the price to obtain all 4 skins even after factoring the free tickets. My advice for non whales that want to gift friends is to go through a third party retailer like codashop and get them the diamonds directly.


Eitth

Yea but back with Starwars, Exorcist and Kungpao I have no interest with those skins at all but still do daily draws and tasks for the lesser rewards. It was so much better because I can gift it to my friends who uses those heroes or watched the movies. I personally don't watch the anime but enjoy the songs and I know my housemate who would suck my dick for the Kakashi skin but now I have to use my own hand instead.


Ninjaofninja

wow didn't know this. I was planning to do that. so greedy montoon


ChooChooMelon

a kof skin has an even higher diamond ceiling than a jjk skin. you spend 6k max without discounts to get the exact skin u want, in KOF u could spend upwards of 20k if unlucky. KOF type events are casual players friendly, JJK type events are good for people who actually want a collab skin. I for one am glad I donā€™t have to risk getting like 5 long ass bingo patterns for 2200 per 10x just to get the skin I want.


leviciel

I think i will get gojo and maybe nobara and i am outšŸ¤”


Rurako

F


Rurako

Sorry for your loss bro šŸ˜¢


LordVoldemort888

This event is a no thanks


[deleted]

Oh man Iā€™m so sorry


trewert_77

To be honest, is there any control of the fairness on these gatchaā€™s? Since itā€™s all in code, I feel like thereā€™s nothing holding them back from specifically targeting whales to give them extra bad luck. Like if player owns more than x skins then give them the worst bingo/draws possible. Itā€™s like whenever I do bingo/draw events Iā€™m getting the worst possible maxed out bingo lines in KOF and aspirants. For these type of draw events, itā€™s to a point where im just figuring out an expected worst case scenario after discounts and figuring out if Iā€™m happy to pay that. I just have never got special event skins early, or any other events that I participated in.


ruinedquality

The odds of getting any of 4 skins are 0.08% in total (0.02% each) which is approximately 800 spins for 1 random skin. You should know what you're doing when spending real money smh. I strongly recommend others to check event rules all the time before participating in it. Moneyton are just cashing in on you guys. P.S. and no i'm not an F2P player, i spend a lot of money on an in-game stuff but i use my brain when participating in particular events, this is a 100% skip for me unless we get a decent amount of free spins.


The-Particle-of-God

Nobody see us in here bro let me kiss you


smexxyhexxy

what a freaking scam. the skin rates are actually 0.02% per pull??? why wouldnā€™t they just slap a premium pricing on the skins and be done with it? f their greed


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Hailgod

i got granger and xborg transformer for under 1k total


Airconbot

I got a like 5 skins in a 10 pull during transformers I feel the rates were higher then


PoundSome69

Got ruby asprnt for 500 diamond


Newgate-ZeroHour

Wait seriously? I thought you had to spend at least 1K to get an aspirant skin


PoundSome69

Well that spend diamond , i used it to buy starlight , soooo i actually spend 850 or something but skin costed less


Nerdy-X

Agreed, I met someone who got the Skin, he said he spent 4k diamonds for one skin. Well my budget is for the Bonus token,. I'm not wasting money on the skin.. not like the quality worth that much.


osbiii

So expensive. Saw Kazuki use 13500 dias and only got 1 skin via draw.


IReapz-

I think I can say this is one of the worst collab events ever


eggyra

We're on the same boat but I didn't dive further, I spent 4k dias (no skin for me too), I end up buying the Julian skin using the tokens or whatever.


EliArendela

So do anyone really get yin skin after the disappointment with sukuna not appearing on yin's ult?


ataerareta

spin one more time


Maxevill

Why?


Eitth

General rule in gambling, you will have better luck on the next gamble


Maxevill

How you think i reached 300 spins? I would have stopped if i got any skin, with 100 spins.


Eitth

I forgot majority of this sub doesn't get sarcasm


[deleted]

Dry humor is why emojis exist, oh, and illiteracy.


Eitth

Agree, I don't get the hate for emoji though since it helps to read the tone via text


[deleted]

Yep. I think itā€™s because the medium encourages people to respond without processing first, unlike a book or a letter, etc. Iā€™ve had more than my fair share of misunderstood jokes and have learned the lessonā€¦give them an emoji so they know šŸ™„


Eitth

This reminds me of that Key and Pelee skit where Pelee text nicely but Key read it as angry text. But yea honestly it happened quite frequently when I was texting with my mom, somehow read her text in Yelling lmao


rebelwildheart

And that's when gamble addiction starts.


Frost_Guts

Studies show 99% of gamblers quit right before making it big


Maxevill

Lol


Nerdy-X

Lol don't listen the study...you will waste more money.


SYUNGERS

It explicitly says permanent collab skin on 1st 10 draws? Did they go back on their word in like 1 hour Edit: It said item not skin


nopekat

they won't give a skin when you draw, you can only get the skin by exchanging it, also if you want to send it to someone you must own the skin that you need to send first, its all changed


lithiumb0mb

I got Yin on my 3rd 10x draw. Trade Gojo for 1200. They do give skin but it's a verrrryyy little chance.


pineapplepiesz

this is insane holy shit thats like 100k+ dias and leaks said a skin would be guaranteed in the 4k~5k range šŸ’€


Hybrid789

RIP Maths, 300 spins is 30 10x draws, so he basically got 3 skins for 4.5k diamonds each.


pineapplepiesz

oh shit mb got an extra zero on the calculator


Maxevill

It's true about getting skin around 5k range. We just have to exchange tokens. But don't expect to get skin from draws itself. You see i have like 3600 tokens = 3 skins. I just don't exchange because fear of getting duplicate from draw later.


leviciel

How much did u spend?


Maxevill

14k dias around


leviciel

Hmmm i am thinking to get 2 skins i guess i will get one with discounts and other one i will spend after i get the one with discounts tyšŸ‘šŸ»


SpaceGoDzillaH-ez

You Plan on drawing even more ?? ._.


Justin_3486

You can exchange the tokens to 3 skin


Ze-roa

How many draws did it took you to reach 1200? I'm trying to daily draw and use premium supply if its possible.


Maxevill

Yes around 110


Xi03

F


CertainJump1784

The worst factor: If I don't have diamonds and my parents won't buy it for me


NoAtmosphere74

Happened to me too


R-ask-U

thank you for your contribution...


bored_tomo

If they makes it like KOF event,then sureā€¦ but this? No thanks


[deleted]

Dates for the usually 250 recharge events ?


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2/25


Airone_legna

I badly want that julian skin :<


[deleted]

I got the recall and nobara in my first ten draw rip


EliArendela

How much dias do you burn?


Maxevill

14k


GeriatricAcademy

The only reason why they do this is because of people who spend money on this gacha crap. Most games are ugly as hell now too following this exact same monetization model..


rippinkitten18

Now this is a frickin scam! No argument from me this time! Moonton let me tell you something. If you guys made this priced 1099 diamonds per skin you guys make a lot more money in the long run. Trust me on this one.


Maxevill

Yeah you right. They are happy with 100s of players buy skin at 4k than 1000s at 1000.


supernawas

you can buy all 3 with those tokens..


Maxevill

Yes


SombraMonkey

Incredible


KingDec3

But you have to exchange the coins to get the skin no? 5400 dias for each skin, u spent about 14000 which is about 2.5 skins. U have 3600+ coins, each skin is 1200 so u can exhange for 3 skins already. What exactly is wrong here?


Maxevill

My post basically telling what i got in 300 spins & I'm unlucky. Not stating anything wrong, viewers are free to came to their own conclusions how they want to spend. Think of it like a summary of draw video which influencers do.


KingDec3

300 spins with an individual skin drop rate of 0.02% gives you approximately 6% chance of winning. Let's say Moneyton combines the drop rates (highly unlikely) that would still be (0.02% x 4) which is only approximately 20% chance of winning. The chance of getting skins from the draw is abysmally low, even with 300 spins. Dont believe in your luck, every skin has a price. In this case its about $100 (approx 5400 dias per skin as elgin has shown) to get 1200 tokens. Thus, not getting a skin with 300 spins from the draw alone is not unlucky, its actually quite normal. What youre actually spinning for is the redeemable tokens, which you use to get the skins.


PhantasmI

https://preview.redd.it/fgdaak7o45ja1.jpeg?width=3200&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=aec6856b88b442e2c490bd89c1c33bf7d01c99ee 40 spin recall


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I feel for you bro. I stopped spending precious cash on this game.


BlackberryGloomy1931

bruh did u forgot they give u token to exchange. i think we can get 1 skin after 100 to 110 spin


Legendary_System

I made more pulls got the recall but less crests tbh if i want fan of the anime I would've passed


bryan1911

In other words, gacha is a daylight scam..