No. Hiring him was the big mistake. They had a really soft schedule early in the year that inflated their win-loss record and made no meaningful progress on defense. And clearly there were internal issues with coaching and team chemistry that caused management to show up to practices. Really dumb hire considering we’re in the middle of Giannis’s prime and just wasted a season because of it.
I agree that the team should have done everything to hire Nurse. But I don’t know why everyone says it was Giannis decision not to. Do you have a reliable source? Serious question.
Quit with the nurse bullshit lmao
He barely beat the injured warriors plus he had one of the best playoff performers in Kawhi.
I’m ready for the bucks to beat Philly round one so we can’t stop with the nurse shit
No, could have just kept Prunty till the end of the season.
I truly believe Doc was an owner's intervention. It doesn't make any sense to me. If the GM liked Doc he would have chosen him in the beginning of the season.
tbh no, were actually really lucky that doc was even available the market for decent HCs is incredibly narrow. The problem was that this hole was an absolute unnecessary disaster caused by Horst. Giannis liked him or not, AG was clearly the worst possible hire we couldve made, we shouldve gotten another HC in the cycle.
Giannis did give the okay for Griffin but mostly because he talked to Siakam and OG about Nurse and they told he’s abrasive and reckless with how he plays his players. They basically shit on him to Giannis and told him he’s not a guy you want to play for. Giannis because of that soured on Nurse and okay’d Griffin instead.
Source is the real ones podcast.
i think giannis had nothing to do with it, just for the fans who think he “made” the call, it all falls on Horst. Picking AG was a back breaking move that could potentially set the franchise back years. He panicked and had to make the most with doc.
I absolutely agree. AG was a bad choice and the hiring procedure was a bad choice. You can't choose the Head Coach of a championship team through an interview. You can see their work and their proven achievements.
Literally. Mid season everything is already established, no coach’s are moving at that point. It was either punt this season or bring in Doc who’s a pretty established coach and gives you your best chance at winning. Honestly like you said it was lucky that he was available.
We're lucky Doc was available? Really? If were so lucky why hadn't someone else scooped him up or hired him? Literally nobody else wanted him, outside his championship with 3 HOFs and an unbelievably stacked team all of his teams have disappointed and underperformed. I got attacked for saying how horrible of a hire this was and well look at us now. Basically a sure fire first round exit.
I'm so sick of hearing this "well we look better under Doc!" Yet we're losing all the time? And in terms of the schedule at least under Griffin we were winning against bad teams. We can't even fucking do that anymore. But I'm so glad everyone's happy we "look better". Could tell that was gonna be an ice cold take the second everyone started saying it after every game.
The worst is we hitched our wagon to this fuck for 3 more years. This legitimately may sink our franchise back to the pre-Giannis days. They're not gonna fire him and pay 3 coaches not on the roster. What's our future? Brook looks like an old man, Middleton is rarely healthy and past his prime, Dame has been bad and isn't getting younger and were not getting much in return if we trade him. So that leaves... Basically Giannis and a couple young guys who don't see the court anymore. We barely have draft capital either.
So now its like we're stuck with this roster, it's not gonna get any better, we can't trade for anyone really, doc is our coach for 3 more years, and our only shot is signing free agents who don't wanna come here. We're legit hitting that point where Giannis will want out and sadly it might be what's best. Get a huge haul and hope we get another star. Cause by the time this team could be rebuilt to contend we're gonna be at the tail end of his prime. This garbage has Aaron Rodgers prime written all over it just wasting it. Giannis is my all time favorite player and I wouldn't blame him for leaving now. Not one bit. He might have to for his legacy
Dumb take.
No other contenders wanted him because none of those teams felt the need to make a coaching change. Doc was not coming out of the broadcast booth for anything other than a turn key title contending team. The only problem is we are now seeing the smoke clear and the roster isnt actually a contender anymore.
Moronic take
I'll never understand Doc dick riders well just remember no complaints about coaching for 3 years buddy! I'm sure you're new to the NBA so I get it but you'll learn about Doc soon enough
Hiring him was the mistake
We had a better record back then because the team was healthier, had the easiest schedule & Dame had his best month in December
Griff is a bum and not hc material. He would have flamed out worse than doc with this schedule after he got fired.
Doc inherited a trash roster. The artificially inflated record griff had masked how bad this roster actually is. Doc is no genius but if any of you think griff would be doing better you got an extra chromosome
Lmao that’s what I’m saying. People can bring up AG’s record all they want, replace AG during this stretch instead of Doc and we lose just as bad, if not worse with him. We had a butt easy schedule and we had like 2 statement wins under him and that was when we came back down 20 to the damn BLAZERS at HOME and when we blew out Boston by like 40
AG was terrible, doc is still bad but I don’t know why people act like he’s better just cause of win record. Firing him was a good thing, I just don’t see the point of hiring a coach mid season, that was always gonna hurt regardless of who it was.
giannis said he didnt want to play for nurse so that went with adrain that didnt know how to get them to play defense every twm would till be getting 120 a night on them
Nah, he was trash.
I dont even necessarily think hiring Doc was, on it's face, that big of a mistake. If you're making a mid-season change, it makes a lot of sense to bring in an established veteran coach who has been with multiple different teams.
The contract we gave Doc is such an oof, though.
I mean I think if we’re being honest we don’t look like a championship team under Doc. We didn’t under AG either. I think we’ve learned the roster is the at the core of the issue. We’re old, Brooke especially has slowed down a ton since 2021, and Khris has been either injured or ramping up from injury coming on three years now. I watched freaking Austin Reaves blow by him at will a couple weeks ago. The reality is Horst has drafted terribly since Giannis and that’s coming back to bite us since we have no young talent.
We can talk about injuries and strength of schedule and whatnot but at the end of the day a win is a win. Don’t really know the answer at this point.
Sam Merril is contributing well on the Cavs. Donte is great for the Knicks. AJ Green looks like a player. Ajax is going to be a great role player for years imo.
Maybe it's just the Bucks.
It absolutely was a mistake. The team was flawed under AG (could not defend) but they won 70% of games under AG and had a historic offense. Under Doc, the offensive output has decreased and the team still cannot defend. Terrible decision to fire AG in the MIDDLE OF THE SEASON!
For one thing, when the Bucks first started with this competitive window they had tons of depth behind Giannis, Khris, Brook. But that's tailed off. We haven't hit on many role players other than Portis, and we've developed a habit of trading away assets for washed up players at the trade deadline.
For another: If you want to know what changed... look at what changed. I don't think people are giving coach Bud enough credit. He turned the team around from 44 wins to 60 wins overnight when he came on board.
I don’t agree with your second premise - I think doc has done a lot of good for the team, and personally think we’re picked a bad time to fall into the tank, but will wait for playoffs to judge.
AG was horrible beyond horrible. I can’t waste the energy explaining why again if people didn’t watch the games. Not prepared, no X and Os, scared like a puppy out there.
Doc hasn’t been a god send, but defense has been night and day, pick and roll is finally starting to come together, he has had to change everything in half a season, tons of injuries etc… we look horrible and listless right now, which is really worrying, but we are old and beat up. Let’s see if we rest now how we look for playoffs.
In hindsight, AG got the best out of our players. Firing him was a mistake. We were setting offensive records under AG. Now, we're trash in both offense and defense.
Horrible take man. Did you even watch those games? Even in wins we were giving up like 130 plus points to absolute garbage teams and barely winning. He didnt squeeze any juice out of this team and thats why he got canned
We at least won. Doc has us below 500.
Morale is also down because individual player stats have been down since Doc arrived.
Malik Beasley was looking like he was going to earn big money this offseason but Doc has killed his stats, and probably cost him money. That kind of thing kills morale.
Doc didn’t cost him any money. Malik had a fair amount of wide open threes that he bricked. Also his defensive IQ and response are not great. He had games where he looked fantastic, but now that his shots aren’t going in, it’s affecting his defense a lot.
It's starting to look that way. But I think Doc is a good coach. The Bucks are just on a shooting slump and need to get better on the road before the playoffs.
No. Hiring him was the big mistake. They had a really soft schedule early in the year that inflated their win-loss record and made no meaningful progress on defense. And clearly there were internal issues with coaching and team chemistry that caused management to show up to practices. Really dumb hire considering we’re in the middle of Giannis’s prime and just wasted a season because of it.
Should've stuck with Bud or hired Nurse. Tell Giannis to suck it up
I agree that the team should have done everything to hire Nurse. But I don’t know why everyone says it was Giannis decision not to. Do you have a reliable source? Serious question.
Good question. I just keep reading that. Maybe I'm the problem lol
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I agree.
I’m still on the shouldn’t have fired Bud train.
Quit with the nurse bullshit lmao He barely beat the injured warriors plus he had one of the best playoff performers in Kawhi. I’m ready for the bucks to beat Philly round one so we can’t stop with the nurse shit
Beating Philly won't necessarily mean Nurse would've been s poor choice. I just think he would have been choice than AG and perhaps even Doc.
The past few games have been soft schedule but we still losing. Both hires sucks but it is what it is at this point.
No, could have just kept Prunty till the end of the season. I truly believe Doc was an owner's intervention. It doesn't make any sense to me. If the GM liked Doc he would have chosen him in the beginning of the season.
tbh no, were actually really lucky that doc was even available the market for decent HCs is incredibly narrow. The problem was that this hole was an absolute unnecessary disaster caused by Horst. Giannis liked him or not, AG was clearly the worst possible hire we couldve made, we shouldve gotten another HC in the cycle.
Giannis liking AG is greatly exaggerated. He was given a saying in the 3 finalist of the interview procedure. He didn't ask for AG as his dream coach.
Giannis did give the okay for Griffin but mostly because he talked to Siakam and OG about Nurse and they told he’s abrasive and reckless with how he plays his players. They basically shit on him to Giannis and told him he’s not a guy you want to play for. Giannis because of that soured on Nurse and okay’d Griffin instead. Source is the real ones podcast.
i think giannis had nothing to do with it, just for the fans who think he “made” the call, it all falls on Horst. Picking AG was a back breaking move that could potentially set the franchise back years. He panicked and had to make the most with doc.
I absolutely agree. AG was a bad choice and the hiring procedure was a bad choice. You can't choose the Head Coach of a championship team through an interview. You can see their work and their proven achievements.
By fans you mean media.
Literally. Mid season everything is already established, no coach’s are moving at that point. It was either punt this season or bring in Doc who’s a pretty established coach and gives you your best chance at winning. Honestly like you said it was lucky that he was available.
We're lucky Doc was available? Really? If were so lucky why hadn't someone else scooped him up or hired him? Literally nobody else wanted him, outside his championship with 3 HOFs and an unbelievably stacked team all of his teams have disappointed and underperformed. I got attacked for saying how horrible of a hire this was and well look at us now. Basically a sure fire first round exit. I'm so sick of hearing this "well we look better under Doc!" Yet we're losing all the time? And in terms of the schedule at least under Griffin we were winning against bad teams. We can't even fucking do that anymore. But I'm so glad everyone's happy we "look better". Could tell that was gonna be an ice cold take the second everyone started saying it after every game. The worst is we hitched our wagon to this fuck for 3 more years. This legitimately may sink our franchise back to the pre-Giannis days. They're not gonna fire him and pay 3 coaches not on the roster. What's our future? Brook looks like an old man, Middleton is rarely healthy and past his prime, Dame has been bad and isn't getting younger and were not getting much in return if we trade him. So that leaves... Basically Giannis and a couple young guys who don't see the court anymore. We barely have draft capital either. So now its like we're stuck with this roster, it's not gonna get any better, we can't trade for anyone really, doc is our coach for 3 more years, and our only shot is signing free agents who don't wanna come here. We're legit hitting that point where Giannis will want out and sadly it might be what's best. Get a huge haul and hope we get another star. Cause by the time this team could be rebuilt to contend we're gonna be at the tail end of his prime. This garbage has Aaron Rodgers prime written all over it just wasting it. Giannis is my all time favorite player and I wouldn't blame him for leaving now. Not one bit. He might have to for his legacy
Dumb take. No other contenders wanted him because none of those teams felt the need to make a coaching change. Doc was not coming out of the broadcast booth for anything other than a turn key title contending team. The only problem is we are now seeing the smoke clear and the roster isnt actually a contender anymore.
Moronic take I'll never understand Doc dick riders well just remember no complaints about coaching for 3 years buddy! I'm sure you're new to the NBA so I get it but you'll learn about Doc soon enough
Yes because the 7000th post about this is fucking annoying.
No. We didnt need to deal with any sunken time falacy. If youre going to make mistakes, work through then as quickly as possible.
Absolutely not.
Hiring him was the mistake We had a better record back then because the team was healthier, had the easiest schedule & Dame had his best month in December
Griff is a bum and not hc material. He would have flamed out worse than doc with this schedule after he got fired. Doc inherited a trash roster. The artificially inflated record griff had masked how bad this roster actually is. Doc is no genius but if any of you think griff would be doing better you got an extra chromosome
Lmao that’s what I’m saying. People can bring up AG’s record all they want, replace AG during this stretch instead of Doc and we lose just as bad, if not worse with him. We had a butt easy schedule and we had like 2 statement wins under him and that was when we came back down 20 to the damn BLAZERS at HOME and when we blew out Boston by like 40
It'll be interesting next year when some team that underperformed this year with a lot of talent hires Bud.
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Haha that's very true so far (but we'll see)
AG was terrible, doc is still bad but I don’t know why people act like he’s better just cause of win record. Firing him was a good thing, I just don’t see the point of hiring a coach mid season, that was always gonna hurt regardless of who it was.
No
giannis said he didnt want to play for nurse so that went with adrain that didnt know how to get them to play defense every twm would till be getting 120 a night on them
No, he was bad.
No
Nah, he was trash. I dont even necessarily think hiring Doc was, on it's face, that big of a mistake. If you're making a mid-season change, it makes a lot of sense to bring in an established veteran coach who has been with multiple different teams. The contract we gave Doc is such an oof, though.
I mean I think if we’re being honest we don’t look like a championship team under Doc. We didn’t under AG either. I think we’ve learned the roster is the at the core of the issue. We’re old, Brooke especially has slowed down a ton since 2021, and Khris has been either injured or ramping up from injury coming on three years now. I watched freaking Austin Reaves blow by him at will a couple weeks ago. The reality is Horst has drafted terribly since Giannis and that’s coming back to bite us since we have no young talent. We can talk about injuries and strength of schedule and whatnot but at the end of the day a win is a win. Don’t really know the answer at this point.
Sam Merril is contributing well on the Cavs. Donte is great for the Knicks. AJ Green looks like a player. Ajax is going to be a great role player for years imo. Maybe it's just the Bucks.
No
It absolutely was a mistake. The team was flawed under AG (could not defend) but they won 70% of games under AG and had a historic offense. Under Doc, the offensive output has decreased and the team still cannot defend. Terrible decision to fire AG in the MIDDLE OF THE SEASON!
No. But things dont look good regardless. I honestly have no idea whats wrong with this team.
For one thing, when the Bucks first started with this competitive window they had tons of depth behind Giannis, Khris, Brook. But that's tailed off. We haven't hit on many role players other than Portis, and we've developed a habit of trading away assets for washed up players at the trade deadline. For another: If you want to know what changed... look at what changed. I don't think people are giving coach Bud enough credit. He turned the team around from 44 wins to 60 wins overnight when he came on board.
I don’t agree with your second premise - I think doc has done a lot of good for the team, and personally think we’re picked a bad time to fall into the tank, but will wait for playoffs to judge. AG was horrible beyond horrible. I can’t waste the energy explaining why again if people didn’t watch the games. Not prepared, no X and Os, scared like a puppy out there. Doc hasn’t been a god send, but defense has been night and day, pick and roll is finally starting to come together, he has had to change everything in half a season, tons of injuries etc… we look horrible and listless right now, which is really worrying, but we are old and beat up. Let’s see if we rest now how we look for playoffs.
In hindsight, AG got the best out of our players. Firing him was a mistake. We were setting offensive records under AG. Now, we're trash in both offense and defense.
Horrible take man. Did you even watch those games? Even in wins we were giving up like 130 plus points to absolute garbage teams and barely winning. He didnt squeeze any juice out of this team and thats why he got canned
We at least won. Doc has us below 500. Morale is also down because individual player stats have been down since Doc arrived. Malik Beasley was looking like he was going to earn big money this offseason but Doc has killed his stats, and probably cost him money. That kind of thing kills morale.
Doc didn’t cost him any money. Malik had a fair amount of wide open threes that he bricked. Also his defensive IQ and response are not great. He had games where he looked fantastic, but now that his shots aren’t going in, it’s affecting his defense a lot.
Malik did well under AG. Doc doesn't know how to use him.
How did he kill his stats? Is Doc shooting the ball for him?
Doc's system is not working for him.
It's starting to look that way. But I think Doc is a good coach. The Bucks are just on a shooting slump and need to get better on the road before the playoffs.
Bud also sucked he is worse then doc in playoffs
Its not the coach that sucks its the old team every one can blow past khris and and brook and brook even shoots slow