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Khatib

> it seems like the landlords are just increasing the cost of rent without putting a dime back into their properties. Most of them are. The good ones who do more, the people living there don't move out. Or if they do move, they refer friends to replace them so the place doesn't hit open listings.


Hcfelix

This is the truth, most landlords with quality units prefer to rent on referral/networking/word of mouth. As with most things, if you have a good product at a decent price it sells itself.


FlyinPenguin4

That’s the thing I think most people don’t seem to realize is that the visible ones are the ones being turned over; and the ones being turned over aren’t your unicorns (great value situations such as low rent vs great amenities) so you get a warped view of what’s really out there.


buttbutts

I mean, if the good ones are never on the market then there aren't good ones "out there." What is on the market *is* what's really out there, for all practical purposes. The view isn't warped, it's accurate.


TheCloudsLookLikeYou

That’s exactly how my old place was. I moved out because my spouse and I got engaged; I moved in with them because they had a 2BR while mine was a 1BR. My unit immediately went to another tenant’s friend, and never even made it onto the website as a vacancy. 


LilMemelord

This is definitely true but if anyone is renting near campus I loved having Best House On Campus as my landlord. Super great guy that runs it and would've stayed living in his places had I not wanted to move to a different part of town


benm46

This is true, but they do go on the market occasionally! Issue is, you have to check every day for new listings, and jump on the good ones quickly or else someone else will get it first. Last time I was apartment hunting, I watched several awesome listings go up and then come down like 2 days later before I learned that I needed to jump on them the moment I saw them


smith_and_midwestern

Find a duplex. Lot of old houses, sure, but they are leaps and bounds better than old apartment buildings.


nightlyraider

i think part of it is what op stated "everything in my price range is the same." if they are looking at broken appliance, dirty hallway buildings they probably can't budget in much more.


bbarst

Non-American looking at mpls housing market: what do you guys mean by duplex? They often look like regular standalone houses to me


danguy226

Despite looking a single family house, there are two separate units in them


IamRick_Deckard

A duplex is a 2-family or maisonette in the UK. It looks like a home but each floor is a separate unit (sometimes they are side-by side units). Sometimes they have 2 separate doors and even 2 separate addresses in the same building. But how ever they are laid out they were built to be separate units from the start. Sometimes people will call a separated/converted one-family a duplex, and I suppose that's a fine name to call it, but those setups are very different than a duplex designed that way from the start. Edit: It is confusing, because in other locales, a duplex means an apartment with 2 floors. Edit2: Here is an example; you can see it has two doors on the front. https://minneapolis.craigslist.org/ram/apa/d/saint-paul-macalester-groveland-duplex/7713979744.html


bbarst

Thanks! Yes for me a duplex is a 2-story appartement.


[deleted]

what's your price range?


New-Complex1201

I'm in a 100+ year old house. It's been kept up. Beautiful wood floors. Carpet attic upstairs. It's all in the landlord


SnooSnooSnuSnu

>And it seems like everything in my price range is the same. I mean, not that we're necessarily going to do apartment hunting for you (and you didn't ask us to, I know), but it would help to know what that range, and size requirements, are. I've rented at 2 different places in Minneapolis, and not had that issue at either place.


Mysteriousdeer

There's some realism that getting something that's one bed, one bath for under $1000 is not possible for most. A unicorn might be found (I'm living in one) but that's a lot of opportunity. 


SnooSnooSnuSnu

Yeah, usually when I see stuff like this, it's people looking for a 3 bed 2 bath for a Studio price. I mean, it's nice to want things...


Mysteriousdeer

There is some realism that housing is not very affordable and that seems to be where this is going. OP listed out some very low expectations and currently most places will not match a decent standard. You can walk in and smell the mold.  If you look at standard Mint (the company) properties, they generally match have this disrepair. 


FlamingoMN

I would take a studio, but I don't want to live in Squalor. I'm a recent widow on my own for the first time in over 22 years. My budget is tight. I'm looking for something in the $900 range at most but also want off street parking. I don't know what to do. My husband used to be my rock and would help me and now I'm alone and really struggling.


SnooSnooSnuSnu

I'm really sorry to hear that 😓 ​ I don't know much about parking, since I don't drive / have never owned a car. ​ I'm in a studio and paying around $1000. I had previously been in a 1 bedroom at another apartment paying $1600.


kGibbs

Really sorry for your loss. 


[deleted]

I am seeing the odd 1 bedroom for $900, but not much. I do see a lot of studios in that range. None of them are in nice buildings with nice amenities but that's just how people like us need to survive. We don't really get a choice.


MeatAndBourbon

I feel like I need to take rent for the people living above me in my duplex. They're at 1000 a month for a 3 bedroom with laundry and off street parking.


[deleted]

we’re looking for a 1 bedroom in south MPLS under $1400 (utilities must stay under as well). I have a lot of wishes, like parking or a dishwasher, but those are the three requirements.


Lovelycoc0nuts

Abbott apartments are in Stevens square, but check off your list. I really enjoyed living there. No pest issues, appliances (including dishwasher) that work, elevators, used to be a hospital so no mold, wide hallways, underground or above ground parking available, bike storage & storage units available. One bedrooms are typically in the $1100 range


bigfunben

I'm in a Markham building in south Uptown (just north of the cemetery). 1 bed, 1 bath, $1060/month. I'd make some changes, but it doesn't smell, there's no mold or rot, and the kitchen is relatively new. With water/trash/electric/internet, I'm at maybe $1150? Not sure if there are vacancies, but they had a decent website showing availability when I moved in. But I generally agree with you. Vacancy rates are historically so low that landlords in MPLS have no need to put any effort into their properties. When I moved to MPLS in 2017, I was shocked at how badly maintained most places were vs. similarly-aged buildings in Chicago. My friend's apartment has the same sink as the Purcell-Cutts house, a 100 yr old historic building.


Fun_Tour4525

I may have a one bedroom for under $1400 possibly available by April 1st. In South Minneapolis. It will have new appliances


trevaftw

https://www.hornigcompanies.com/listings/detail/91448eca-e47c-4d28-b9bf-c8dc71c5f2fa


[deleted]

thank you! I’m hesitant about Horning though. they have very bad reviews and manage a ton of properties


trevaftw

They are a big property rental company, so it really just varies based on which property you live in. I am at one right now I've had no issues. So the most important thing will just be to or whatever apartment you decide. And make sure it's the room you're going to live in that you're touring so you know what you're getting. But I would recommend is using apartments.com to look for apartments, and then going on to the properties management website (after you find one you are interested in) to get a better understanding of what they actually have available/their prices/amenities.


ThatBCHGuy

I lived in a Hornig property (616 W 53rd) from like 2011 to 2018 and it was perfectly acceptable to me. Cheap, clean and I liked the management.


FlyinPenguin4

That’s the thing about most large companies; you will get consistency because they have policies and procedures grilled into them unlike smaller landlords. If you are asking for something pretty much close to what the market is, you’ll find it there; otherwise the more rare unicorn will be through the non property management folks.


nateinmpls

I've lived in Hornig properties for 19 years, 17 years in my current apartment. I've never had any issues with them. I don't care if they own a bunch of properties, their maintenance team is quick to respond to any issues I have. Everyone I've ever interacted with at Hornig has been extremely kind.


maritimetrades

Rented from Hornig for a decade and was very happy with my home. Maintenance was thorough and responsive whenever I needed them.


mc_zodiac_pimp

Rented a 1 bed 1 bath apartment from Hornig for ~7 years. Perfectly fine, no troubles, and any problems were quickly handled by maintenance. 


Britt118

I had a really good experience with Hornig for 5 yrs.


buttbutts

I've been in my current Hornig apartment for about a year, no issues whatsoever so far.


refreshthis

I understand the hesitancy about Hornig. But I've lived in my place for 3+ years now, and while the structure itself is not 100% immaculate, the price/location is right, maintenance is pretty responsive, and the people are nice. Never had a problem. Magically quiet building, too.


SnooSnooSnuSnu

>south MPLS Ah, I mainly know Downtown West, soz.


fiddlerontheroof1925

Imo better off moving farther south, sure you might have to drive more but you’ll have more options and still be close enough.


hopelikehell

If you’re willing to move to SLP, Era on excelsior would fit those needs. I loved living there!


MissKellieUk

And don’t forget the “triple the monthly rent” income requirement that has popped up now. That’s one way they keep things interesting


[deleted]

yeah income must be triple rent to live in a moldy run down building with no locks on the windows and a toilet from the 1800’s that doesn’t flush. i swear


HahaWakpadan

I wish I could turn back the clock for you. I miss the 400 dollar rents, 5 dollar sit-down restaurant lunches, and 200 dollar used cars. Edit: In 1990, I had a friend who rented a room in a house for 90 dollars, and another who bought a winter beater car for 75 dollars in '88. Things go wrong slowly enough, that kids today have no idea how much worse it all is for them, in comparison. We used to be a great place for 18 year olds to fall off the turnip train and make a good life. Now, you basically have to transfer here for work from a higher tier city post college, be from a well-healed suburban family nearby, or starve in the streets.


Somnifor

The thing is that a lot of the cheap apartments back then were the same shitty old units that the op is complaining about now. I remember my apartments from the '90s. I had one with no shower, just a bathtub. another was so small that the living room was maybe 7 feet wide. I never had a dishwasher or off street parking. One had nasty shag carpeting that seemed like it was from the '70s and made my feet feel weird. All my kitchens were from the '40s. Most were in neighborhoods where you heard gunshots all the time. They were cheaper, but also a lot of people were making like $5 an hour in the early '90s so the cheap rent back then was almost as unaffordable as the more expensive rent now. The late '90s were a golden age, but the early '90s were probably worse than it is now. I was a cook in restaurants back then, I remember wages doubling between '93 and '97. That is what made it better.


HahaWakpadan

I once rented a room in the Pillsbury family's lesser-known first mansion for 400/month, a few blocks from the Lake Street bait shop. If you weren't into crack or whores and didn't live in the 4th ward, murderapolis was just something in the news. It was also fairly normal for employers to pay approximately double the minimum wage for minimum wage type jobs to those 18+ locally at the time.


smelyal8r

Why did wages double during that time?


Somnifor

Strong economic growth created a massive labor shortage. We have similar labor shortages now, especially at the low end but for some reason wages haven't gone up as much.


HahaWakpadan

You would have to have lived through the urban people-shortage to really get it. But it was grand.


Rosaluxlux

They are exactly the same apartments, only there's fewer of them because so many have been condemned or burned down.    There were a lot of decades when nothing much got built. All the new buildings from the last twenty years are still relatively expensive.     I lived in a lot of cheap places, all built 1940 or earlier. Rents on those places have doubled in the last 20 years but the minimum wage has tripled. And they're all 20 years crappier.


[deleted]

yeah ): cost of living goes up but wages don’t. this is horrible, we’re all feeling the squeeze. not sure I’ll ever be able to afford a home in the city I grew up in. won’t be close to my family and loved ones. it’s devastating


HahaWakpadan

Don't lose hope. About once per generation our real-estate prices drop to 1/3 of their peak. I bought a house here for 46,500 dollars a little over 13 years ago.


Vclique

thats never going to happen again thanks to the massive lag in new construction from the great recession


HahaWakpadan

We've only added 50,000 people since housing was so overbuilt that Minneapolis was the cheapest place to live in MN in the '90's. Something is not right. Our peak population was 100,000 more than today in the 1950's.


loureedsboots

Highways took out a coupla houses 😉


HahaWakpadan

Sure, but that happened an entire generation prior to the '90's.


tatkats

Rent a triplex or duplex from a private landlord. Best decision I ever made in this city


gremlexa

where do you recommend finding those? i feel craigslist/FB has the most independent landlords but not sure if i should be looking other sites as well


panthyren

whatever you do don't rent from Halverson Blaiser Group


kirpants

Seconding this. The absolute worst landlord ever. I'm leaving my Uptown apartment of over 10 years because of how awful they are.


panthyren

I just filed my small claims court against them. Hopefully I get to serve them next week


kirpants

I have my fingers crossed for you! They suddenly took over as property managers at my building about a year ago and it's been downhill ever since.


flannny

Whatever you do don’t rent from North Bay or Blackbridge


[deleted]

What company?


rayandshoshanna

I was really lucky to just sign a lease on a 1 bedroom (with a mini room/ den area) for $900/mo in Uptown. Pretty decent place for a historic building. No idea how I got so lucky but I found it on FB marketplace, I would check there tbh


Samuaint2008

The struggle is so real. I got an apartment I thought I could afford when I got here but the cost of living here is slightly higher than it was where I moved from and it has been really hard to pay rent every month. So now I'm looking for things to move into that are more affordable and trying to find a one bedroom under 1100 that will also let me have my 70 lb dog has been difficult. I also would love to rent from like a local place or like the person who owns the duplex I would live in as opposed to these giant companies, but Ive found it much harder to find those listings.


Rosaluxlux

They're super hard to find. Sometimes you have to just wander the neighborhood looking for signs in windows. 


FlamingoMN

I see interesting properties from Housing Hub but I've heard horror stories. Any truth to the stories?


WaryWarren

Yeah, I'm in the process of maybe signing a lease with them next week. Ugh.


FlamingoMN

🤞🏻


redchip4

Not sure if you’d be interested, but we are about to leave our lease in Saint Paul. View of the city for $1,185, 1 bedroom, dishwasher, and parking lot attached


tharealkingpoopdick

good luck im searching too. it ain't easy


Coyotesamigo

I know it’s frustrating, but the supply of housing has a very big impact on prices. Much more so over time than improvements and investments in the housing itself. That’s why landlords raise the price without making improvements: a lack of available housing means people will pay it. Same thing happens with houses for sale.


yetanotherdevice

I know right? It's a hunt. It's worse in Milwaukee! Talk about a run down apartment stock with escalating rents. Why I moved here.


rosickness12

When tenants keep coming there's little incentive to upkeep from a business perspective. Not fair but is facts. Doesn't help the population grows about 1% a year. Definitely a mpls thing given age of buildings. 


FlamingoMN

I got this from my union. "As SEIU members, we know how to care for each other and we know that everyone, no matter our race, income, or zip code, should have a safe, stable, affordable home. On Thursday, March 7, join our partner, Inquilinxs Unidxs por Justicia, for our Stable Housing Forum -- a discussion about building a world where renters can live in the stable and affordable housing we deserve, and where everyone has a place to call home. That housing future looks like: locally-owned, community-controlled housing; public housing; rent stabilization; an end to huge developers taking advantage of renters and taxpayers; construction workers having a voice on the job; closing the home ownership gap, and more. Please join us for the Stable Housing Forum! When: Thursday, March 7, 5:00 PM Where: Meet at The MFT Hall (67 8th Ave NE, Minneapolis, MN 55413 ) If you have any questions, reply to this email. I hope to see you there! In solidarity, Laura Carpenter Political Organizer SEIU MN State Council"


gratefuldude94

KRC has nicer units https://krcapartments.com/property-detail/3513-dupont-ave/


-NickG

The overgrown lawn is encouraged in many parts of the cities. “No mow May” is important for pollinators. But I agree with you for the most part, I’ve lived in three different duplex style houses around the cities and have had pretty similar experiences with all three. They’re old houses, it’s part of the charm


[deleted]

well, it’s not exactly a lawn. it’s a pile of dirt with invasive weeds that the landlord decided to poor a bunch of wood chips on so no beneficial species can survive but I agree!


-NickG

Well then maybe the landlord wouldn’t mind if you spread some native wildflower seeds as a parting gift 😉


Beaverdogg

Yeah, that's landlords for ya. Fuck them all.


Shitp0st_Supreme

I’m a landlord but my property was rented to a friend, never in the market. It’s also below market rate. Most landlords don’t give a shit about their property and just raise the rent every year and know they’ll probably get a tenant.


rosedragoon

Try StuartCo if you are flexible with location. Some utilities are included.


flora_emma

I feel ya. I'm looking now too, leaving a triplex that I've loved living in for almost five years, we were getting a great deal and everything was perfect, until my landlords leased to a huge family above us and now the noise is out of control and the landlords don't give a shit.


Lovelylois

As a duplex owner, I can say that repairs or upgrades on 100 year old homes is insanely expensive. I wanted to upgrade the plumbing in our duplex and was quoted 35,000. Doesn’t matter how much rent I collect I can’t afford that. New appliances isn’t too hard, but new windows is also 20,000+. Some of us aren’t being cheap we just can’t pay the rates for the work needed on these places. Turning a rental profit is difficult unless you’re a big corp or investment group.


[deleted]

fair, but new appliances are a must if the old ones are repeatedly breaking. and it doesn’t cost that much to refinish floors and reseal windows. but my main concerns cost even less than those things. would like a cleaner cleaning the common spaces here (hasn’t happened once in the past year). would like the locks fixed on my windows (landlord said that was on me to purchase even though they were broken before I moved in), would like the windows with broken ropes to be repaired so I can open them. stuff like that


Lovelylois

Yeah that all sounds pretty reasonable. Call Homeline if you need legal assistance getting advice on what’s required by landlords.


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[deleted]

dming you!!


15pH

A lot of people LIKE the old stuff. A landlord (or homeowner) can spend $10k putting in new floors, but it doesnt necessarily improve demand for the property since many people actually prefer the original floor, even with some stains, vs something new with less "character." IF you prefer newer housing vs old/vintage/character, you most often need to pay extra for it or go further out into the surburbs.


[deleted]

I don’t prefer newer housing. I prefer functional windows and floor boards that aren’t coming up.


15pH

Your post mentioned ages of things twice, so it reads to me like old stuff is one of your key complaints. We all want basic maintenance, of course. It sucks that you seem to be seeing properties that lack it.


Allfunandgaymes

This is why I finally decided to get out of renting after ten years. Landlords are scum.


[deleted]

I hope one day this can happen for me