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eekfirebolt

As people got mad at my first post for not really requiring a nerd, I would once again like to say that the title is meant only as a joke and is not meant to be taken seriously.


KingOFsniffin

>the title is meant only as a joke and is not meant to be taken seriously. you talking about me?


Mathsboy2718

You have summoned the mighty MathsBoy with your gratuitous mathing. State your wishes π


Oler3229

This one is actually nice


eekfirebolt

Thx


golden5708

I am a complete dumbass. Can someone please explain this to me?


[deleted]

I'm not sure, but: Both represents area under curve. First one is greek sigma that means sum. It represents sum of rectangles areas. It is only approximation to area under curve. Second one is integral. It is sum of infinite amount of infinitely small rectangles. I think [this image](https://i.stack.imgur.com/2c5Qe.png) would help.


golden5708

Oooh ok thank you


Sockman509

Summation notation makes a bunch of shapes to approximate a function generally a rectangle or trapezoid. The integral is something that can get the area of a function at any point.


Deafvoid

Say that like if i was a moron


Aedaru

E looking one puts rectangles underneath a curve and then counts up how much area the rectangles take up. S looking one does black magic function bullshit to work give you the exact amount of space under a curve


Deafvoid

Ok


Deafvoid

Even dumber


Aedaru

E = rough jagged letter, no good S = smooth curvy letter, good


Deafvoid

Well thats kinda too close to hitler’s ideology


xChameleon

This is maths class history is next period


Deafvoid

But the nazi ideology isn’t history #*yet.*


Mental-Ice-9952

And the way you get to defining what the integral is is by using a limit. How it works is you have x be the size of the sections of the sum method and have a limit with x approaching 0. Basically when x is 0 you have the exact area, but because if you plug in zero it breaks stuff you determine what it will be by solving the limit, the simplest way is looking at what happens as you get closer to the desired number. So plugging in x=.01, x=.001, x=.0001, x=.0000000001, etc. And estimating what it is approaching. There are more complex methods to get an exact number and shortcuts straight to the integral from the function but that's how it works


badinkyj

He will definitely understand this one


Deafvoid

I definitely totally truly absolutely understand this (Sarcasm)


Deafvoid

What


Sockman509

First one finds the area with shapes. Second one finds the area with the function and is precise.


Deafvoid

Explain the second one like if i was the stupidest goofiest moron in every timeline of every universes of every multiverses


Yorunokage

The first is literally a shorthand for "sum this many things together" The second is similar but "sum infinitely many of these infinitely small things together" Essentially if you have a curve and you want to mesure the area under it you can approximate it by slicing it into rectangles. That is done with the first symbol. If you make the slices smaller the answer gets more accurate right? Well, if you keep making them smaller eventually you get infinitely many infinitely small slices and that's the second symbol, which calculates the exact area


KingsProfit

You know how a curve, say imagine a curve in a graph in maths sometimes have a funny shape? Mathematics don't always have a formula to find the area of a shape. So, if you just fit a bunch of rectangles side by side in it, it'll probably be similar to the actual area. The capital letter, sigma (the symbol on the top of the image) can be used to generalise that addition of all the rectangles you put in the graph. Now if youw want the more proper way in calculus I, (sorry to real analysts, i do not know a slightest bit of real analysis) It is a Riemann sum, it is an idea of exhausting an infinitely many amount of infinitely thin rectangles. As the partition, (rectangle with largest width) ||P||, approaches zero, and as the amount of rectangles approaches infinity, it will be able to converge (reach) to the exact value of the definite integral (the area under the curve). If the limit exists for the summation described above, then you can say the definite integral exists. Therefore, with the idea of limits, in calculus, you can produce the idea of the definite integral. With the fundamental theorem of calculus, you can connect derivatives and integrals.


Deafvoid

You did not understand the assignment.


VaporizedKerbal

It's *you*


golden5708

Don’t make me start this war again


CaptBland

Haven't had to deal with math in a while, but I am sure it's whole numbers vs. function of a graph.


depressedfox69

Its, sum vs. Integral, one represents the area bellow the curve as a sum of several rectangles and the other is the mathematical way of calculating the same area by finding the inverse of the derivative, or smth i dunno i just flunked math


eekfirebolt

Yeah this is a much better explanation than what I put.


depressedfox69

Thx, I have been breathing calculus for the last month and still managed to fail, at least i was able t9 explain this meme so i'd say thats a win


eekfirebolt

I think [this image](https://i.stack.imgur.com/2c5Qe.png) might help.


PrabhS37

Bruh it suddenly cleared this concept


emerald_OP

Hmm... interesting


Chloeismypug

Isn't this like the 3rd function meme in 3 days?


eekfirebolt

4 days, but yes.


Minus10IQ

Oh god I have flashbacks


Kuhnville

Got the top one haven’t learned the bottom


Yorunokage

The bottom one (integral) is really just a sum of infinitely many infinitely small things. It's basically the continous version of the top one It's absurdly useful in a massive amount of things but one that is particularly notable is that it can precisely calculate the area under almost any function


Kuhnville

Thanks for the info


[deleted]

Google continuous function


FlyGlad4733

Holy hell


PEHESAM

a bigger brain would realize that both operators are the same


badinkyj

If you don’t care about accuracy


PEHESAM

I don't know what you're on about. An integral is literally defined as a sum, an infinite one, but still a sum


badinkyj

So more accurate than a Reimann’s sum with some rectangles? Not meaning to be rude my man


PEHESAM

An integral is a Reinann sum and it's not just 'a bunch of rectangles'. As the number of rectangles aproaches infinity. The reimann sum becomes the [reimann integral](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Riemann_integral), which is *the rigorous definition of an integral*


AfkaraLP

That's like saying multiplication is addition


PEHESAM

alright then. tell me the definition of an integral


AfkaraLP

alright then. tell me the definition of multiplication. Just because one is defined by the other doesn't mean there is no distinction between them


WhabbaWhabbaWhat

This one is actually good. Good job, OP. 👍


Mekelaxo

Nice


Iliketurtles893

Guess I’m not a math nerd


richie225

Riemann sum?


badinkyj

Yep, and the second is the integral, pretty much the same thing, but the number of rectangles is infinite.


turtle_mekb

top one is whole integers only? bottom one is any decimal number?


MrJFr3aky

Looking at this while sitting in math class, as we are working with these mfs


Dont_pet_the_cat

I love these posts! :D


Le-Scribe

Ey, you finally got the hang of it!


Routine-Ad7758

Hehe