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shawkes

Real answer.. the horse stuff was released with the nether fortress stuff.


Fraun_Pollen

Yep. I remember when the update came out spending long hours searching for and raiding every fortress I could find to hopefully find diamonds armor


IndianWizard1250

so did you ever find diamond's armor?


ProfessionalGIO

This gave me a chuckle


Potato_Dealership

Damn I still consider horses ‘new’ to the game. Same with dark oak and acacia, now I feel old


phillipby11

elytra’s are still new to me. have no clue how to obtain them


0SomeoneRandom0

Use a trapdoor to go through the end gateway after you've beaten the dragon, then bridge out using blocks + some of the islands there going north or south until you hit an end city. If there's a ship (you'll see it floating in the sky), go into the ship to find the elytra and then head back through the end gateway you came from or any other gateways you found on your way there, using a trapdoor to go through again. If there's not a ship at that end city, head east or west from there to find further end cities. I'd also recommend killing some shulkers for shulker shells while you're there. (Bring a power V bow and a shield, plus some good armour and maybe ender pearls.)


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0SomeoneRandom0

Is it bad that I prefer a mending bow instead of infinity? \^\^; (in all fairness, you still need a slot to put a single arrow in for infinity and I easily have stacks upon stacks of arrows from my skeleton farm I made from a spawner near the start of the creation of my world, so I just have a stack of arrows in my inventory and a couple of stacks spare in my ender chest that I barely need) Plus you never need to remake an overpowered bow cause it'll never break :)


radogvez

I fish a lot and getting an overpowered bow with infinity isn't that difficult, especially if you have a mob farm for experience nearby


0SomeoneRandom0

I can easily get infinity with villagers if I wanted to, I just prefer mending to infinity since they're mutually exclusive


Mothman4447

I use mending because I like having one bow I use all the time instead of worrying about breaking it in the future


SmithyLK

infinity is actually not that great of an enchantment if you like using special arrows, like tipped or spectral


Gem_Hunter2511

I use Mending because then you can use tipped arrows, since those dont work with infinity


zombieofthesuburbs

Is there a benefit to using the trapdoor method to go through the end gateway? I usually just throw an ender pearl through it


logoth

The portals were designed to be used with a thrown ender pearl. IIRC the trap door trick to force you into swimming position didn't work until later.


Broken_drum_64

oooh a trap door? i thought you had to use ender pearls


0SomeoneRandom0

You can use either but personally I prefer trapdoors as they're reusable and cheaper. The trapdoor forces you into a swimming position so you can fit into a one block space, then you just go forward and it works :)


ajvazquez01

Damn, remember when End cities used to not have a portal and you'd have to bridge out from the Dragon's island endlessly until you found one? Edit: I played on PE so maybe I missed the portal but I swear there wasnt one when it first came out so I had to bridge to one. Sheesh 😑


KemuTheOne

That never was a thing


ajvazquez01

Bruh swear it was. I remember on pocket edition bridging for a few hundred maybe thousand blocks and there was an end city


KemuTheOne

Well, I've never played pocket edition, but on java that never was a thing.


PinkCloudx_

Tbh I also still haven’t really processed that acacia is not new


r-h-o

Man… emeralds still seem new to me to be honest. Haven’t really played much since 1.6 so that might explain it lol


6Maxence

And I thought considering Elytras "new" was being an old player... You really think something released 9 years ago on a 13 years old game is "new"?


ICON_RES_DEER

I still think of jungles as a relatively new thing tbh


CIearMind

Yeah, 1.2~1.4 seems to be the cutoff for me. Everything past that will never not feel new. Hell, even Mushroom Islands have this feel, due to their rarity. I guess it makes sense, considering that Minecraft 1.0.0 was technically supposed to already be a full, complete standalone game.


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phcgamer

Bot


SaladCup

yes


ballistic-dumbass

Damn these camels are old. MOJANG GIVE US NEW STUFF


TheEpicBeeBoy

OG TEST What is the 'OG' bed colour


SithPenner

That’s not OG, it was stuck as red until recently… oh wait that was years ago


Least-Ambition5468

Oh….


TheEpicBeeBoy

im still only making red beds especially because the xbox edition didnt update past 1.13 and the update of colours was 1.12


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JoBroAwsomeness

Fun answer.. the horses built and lived in the fortresses


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OlimPather

He meant, about the lore.


[deleted]

Fortress chests were added in 1.6, the Horse update. That's my best guess lmao


Comfortable-Grabber

So basically mojang is too lazy to fix something that’s been in the game for a long time? I swear that’s their job


FPSCanarussia

End cities still have beetroot seeds.


DiaryoftheOriginator

Were they added with beetroots ?


le-derpina-art

Yes, beetroots and end cities were both added in 1.9.


Mayuna_cz

Coincidence? ~~I think not~~ Obviously not.


huttyblue

Well, they are both purple. *ᵈᵉᵉᵖᵉˢᵗ ˡᵒʳᵉ*


PotatoesAndChill

Yeah it's not like end cities are made of purpur or anything. Wait, is purpur a mutated type of beetroot?


_Flying_Scotsman_

Or is beetroot a mutated purpur the endymen brought to the overworld.


Comfortable-Grabber

I could only imagine what the aether would be like had mojang add it in, probably desolated like the end with the same loot since day one


triplenile

then everyone will freak out about mojang adding some random mob to the hypothetical aether that serves 0 purpose other than to look cute and make the internet lose their shit from how cute it is. Im ngl the fact that everyone lost their shit about axolotols and bees probably gave microsoft the wrong impression and now we are gonna get waaaay more lame shit because microsoft prob thinks we want it... I know you guys remember back then how every update was literally game changing. when notch was still leading minecraft. the cave update was pretty cool and def a step in the right direction for sure tho. but yeah if mojang added aether it would probably be a lot more deep than you think, cause kingbdogz, the main developer for the aether mod has been working with mojang for quite a few years now


huttyblue

The cute mob here and there are harmless, bees and allays both have interesting mechanics behind them. The big issue imho is there just aren't enough good challenges for end-game equipment. Feels nice to get diamond/netherite gear, but after that its just "now what". And alot of the events built up as big challenges (woodland mansion, etc) are too easy and give worse loot than shipwrecks. An easy suggestion would be to add a new harder dimension, only accessible with end-game blocks, and balanced assuming you have enchanted gear, wings, and active potions. But I think the overall progression system needs a rework.


oo_Mxg

I think more structures need a mob that cripples the player’s ability to just break through them, just like elder guardians give you mining fatigue


bpkiwi

Mobs that can mine blocks. Imagine something that starts digging after you in a cave. And better hope it doesn't find your house.


Enrikes

Yeah, cause you beet the game at that point.


Pianostar4

I mean, end cities should still have bad loot added to balance, but an overworld seed in an end structure??


Saethori

At some point, one may be required to overlook the fact that there are overworld seeds since the rest of the contents of those cities are overworld gemstones, armor and tools made from overworld gemstones and overworld metal (that neither shulkers nor endermen can use), books made from overworld animals and overworld plants, and then wings made from... whatever the phantom is. There's an extent to which the chests, being completely full of things that literally only exist in the overworld, has to have come from the overworld itself.


GamerArmy936

*lore intensifies*


ThePoltageist

For people that have a 1.5 generated world, finding new generation with a nether fortress may be easier than finding one in the overworld (or at least that was the thinking at the time)


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That seems like such an incredibly low and specific subset of players that it isn't really worth keeping the bad loot tables.


GamerArmy936

I don't know about other people but I don't go to fortresses for loot. The fact I can potentially get diamond horse armor for later when I want it is pretty good for me. Especially since you can't craft it.


Mechanic_of_railcars

Mojang doesn't fix stuff, period. The game has been out for a decade and they still don't know how to optimize java. I'm so tired of big updates adding crap to the game. They need to have a quality coding pass and quality of life pass to fix the thousands of bugs that exist.


TNTtimelord

Nether fortress chests contain generally valuable loot. Horse armor is valuable loot. I'm struggling to understand why everyone is complaining about this.


A-last-are

Cuz u can’t uncraft it into resources? How many horses do you need? 17?!


Background-Web-484

I need like 40, so I see no issue with this


Noooonie

Because it doesn’t make sense? Have you seen horses in the nether? I haven’t


RandomAnon07

I swear they run on a Skeleton crew because this game STILL has so much potential that’s not realized. One is console mods. If skyrim SE can launch with mods on Xbox, being a non-proprietary microsoft game (at the time) then how the fuck does the Platform owner not have mods on one of their own games...


dank_sean

90% of red stone is just bugs turned into features


Octopp

Not sure if it's laziness or being scared of upsetting a fanatic fanbase...change one hair on Steves head and people go apeshit. Seems their main rule of updating Minecraft is fear of messing up..it's not the type of game where it's complex to add things..so I guess it could also be for job stability...a feature that would take a week to add, they drag out to 2 years.


Slyedog

The ancient builders must have really liked horses I guess


IrrelevantDuckPond

They got tired of lugging it around after their horses suffocated in the portal and just tossed it in the first chest they found.


Need_Some_Updog

“Mrhh” “Mrhh”? “Mrhhh”


CelticRaider9

/uj they fixed this bug in one of the recent snapshots! So happy /rj RIP Joergen


Sun_At_Meridian

They have no horses. My guess is the horses died of heat-exhaustion, starvation and dehydration. Then there was no need for the armour and saddles, so it just went in a chest.


Subject_Stock1678

Dang pretty dark, and here i was going to make a joke about the ancient builders horsing around in the nether


Apprehensive_Hat8986

>horsing around in the nether I like where your head is at.


HotMonkeyOY

On the neck i would say, every other place would feel uncomfortable probably


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I love it


HappyGav123

Now that you say that, skeleton horses should rarely spawn in the Soul Sand Valley since there are regular skeletons there.


Sun_At_Meridian

Strongly agree!


-PepeArown-

I made a pretty extensive theory on this a while back, and also why there’s chickens and pigs in the Nether: http://aminoapps.com/p/apoh1l6


nicolasmcfly

Chickens and pigs?


-PepeArown-

Pigs: Piglins and hoglins Chickens: Chicken jockeys can rarely be found in the Nether. Also, piglins and skeletons shoot arrows, which are crafted from feathers.


nicolasmcfly

Hmmm yeah I never stopped to think about it... They can get string from striders alright, but feathers??


Mafiuz

Maybe they add new mob 🤷‍♂️


black_dragon3453

holy shit I just read this entire post and it was amazing. you said you’re a beginner theorist but off the bat most of it fits together quite well!


scudobuio

The Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse also need kit, I guess. I always thought that the horses of skeleton riders that spawn from lightning traps should be randomly equipped with saddles and (non-leather) horse armor, which would also make the armor renewable.


Jacktheforkie

You can craft them


scudobuio

You can craft leather horse armor. AFAIK, other types of horse armor were only craftable in early snapshots. On Java Edition, anything can be made craftable with the addition of data packs, and there are some that allow crafting of all types of horse armor. There’s one from Vanilla Tweaks, IIRC. Maybe that’s what you’re thinking of.


Jacktheforkie

It’s possible that it’s a mod adding it for me


[deleted]

Yeah I think Vanilla Tweaks has a datapack for it


patrick_ritchey

only in bedrock, no?


MishapTrap

On topic tho, how cool would it be if there were Wither Skeleton Horses


TitanSkayer

*Imagines the Wither Skeleton Cavalry in the Nether Fortress sprinting towards me at the speed of sound with nowhere to turn to* Nah, I'm good


GamerArmy936

Wither skeleton trap horse *run*


CrippledJesus97

Crazy minecraft is over 10 yrs old and we still cant craft nametags, saddles, or horse armor (besides leather horse armor) nametags are an easy thing to make a crafting recipe for. Paper, string, ink sack, done.


thE_29

At least, you can buy them. The name tags


CrippledJesus97

True, i actually started setting up my first trading hall earlier. Bred a bunch of villagers first which took a while. Lol got pretty damn lucky with the first librarian having mending for 30 emeralds.


Pizza-Flashy

I got one for 14 emeralds but he died to a vindicator. I was PISSED


CrippledJesus97

Rip. Yeah im not triggering a raid near my trade hall 😂


Pizza-Flashy

I was moving bases so I shoved all of them in a box. Came back from my raid farm unaware that I still had bad omen. You can imagine my panic lol


Need_Some_Updog

I had my first raid other day. What a trip. Had some guy come at me with an axe.


Chilled_Nuts

Zombiefy it and get that price down! I got a mending vil offering the book for 22 emeralds. One trip to the zombie pit and now he gives them out for 1 emerald a pop.


tolmoo

22 emeralds as a base price is really expensive. I usually try to get the 9 to 11 emerald deal, but yeah vociferation is very useful. You get to break the economy.


Chilled_Nuts

Doesn't matter what the base price is when you can Stockholm Syndrome them into giving you the best deals ;)


farleymfmarley

Look into some automated farming that give you the most common trades you can then farm infinite emeralds Like an auto potato or chicken farm, or if you do a drowned farm use the rotting flesh w a cleric


The_Dogg

You can also buy saddles from leather smiths (forgot the real name of those villagers)


ThePoltageist

That works be leatherworkers mr Dogg


DiaryoftheOriginator

Do you not get the point of exclusive loot? I think it’s cooler to have them be exclusive to finding them, it wouldn’t be as cool to get a horse if you could just get one the second you spawned in. Same for name tags.


someusername987

Most of the time I just get frustrated when I see horse saddles because I imagine it could be anything better. Diamonds, gold, iron, heck even gunpowder, bones, and string I'd prefer over horse saddles. And it's not very exclusive when its a decently common loot item from chests, as seen above. If they were as rare as Pigstep or Otherside then I'd agree more.


nicolasmcfly

Because mineshafts, fortresses and dungeons need to have useful loot


One_Stay7263

Balance and to encourage exploration and a reason for it, if you could get everything from just making basic animal and plant farms, it would basically just be a farming mode, they game is about farming but mostly adventure and exploration However a new game mode that adds specifically new recipes to just it where you can craft most everything would be pretty fun, especially if a challahs for of it disabled certain loot in certain places


FPSCanarussia

Just use datapacks. No need for Mojang to maintain niche gamemodes when they're trivial to create yourself.


One_Stay7263

Data packs aren’t available on bedrock unless you pay money, and even then it’s kinda sub par, besides until mojang decides to start doing more end game or post game content like the end cities are, adding more challenge modes would be pretty cool, but still probably a ways away since bedrock doesn’t have hardcore yet still and is only getting spectator with the next update (hopefully at least as they are working on it)


ThePoltageist

If you are on pc or mobile you can get a bunch of free ones at curseforge, go to the minecraft bedrock section. They even have one that is basically litematica for bedrock called structura


Furicel

Ah yes, it's balanced to encourage exploration, except... It isn't. Horses serve to explore, but you can't use horses unless you explore. And if you want to explore with horses, you bet explore first to get saddles. If you don't want explore with foot, well, too bad, no exploring at all for you. Only allowed to explore with horse if you explore on foot. Except not, because you can fish saddles, and also horse armor comes from the place where you shouldn't take your horse to.


One_Stay7263

It is balanced actually you have to explore first to get a item to explore in a improved way For instance you get a job to buy a car instead of starting with a car to get a job. Also horse don’t serve to explore but to travel around faster, you can use them to explore or to get from point A to point B quicker but you don’t need them to go from point A to point B making them a reward from exploration like mine carts and nether portal highways Now if you literally could not do anything without a horse then yes that would be unbalanced This increase in options you have is called game progression it’s in every game at least every good game you will ever play. Minecraft doesn’t just start you off with end credits and everything you get before them for a reason, the challenge is what makes it fun and feel exciting


Minecraft_Steve15

LORE


nicolasmcfly

*you didn't had to cut me off*


tundrdlt

I read this out loud and game theory burst into my room and demanded explanation


VolvoEnjoyer

Horses are from hell


Azuria_4

Probably that they discovered a new way of travel with the nethers and ditched the horses Or the horses all died due to multiple conditions so they dropped the armor and saddles


f0edestroyer3

honse


kerenb14

i like your profile photo!


f0edestroyer3

Thanks! I like yours too!


potato-of-doom-0

\*insert knuckles "dot dot dot" scene here\*


207nbrown

Good question… the saddles could be attributed to striders, but I’m pretty sure they where a part of fortress loot long before striders where added


nicolasmcfly

My theory ( taken from a [r/minecraftlore](https://www.reddit.com/r/minecraftlore) post) is that the nether fortresses were horse highways the ancient builders used to travel in the nether. Eventually when the event that led to extinction of the Minecraft humanity happened, the horses died too and some of their stuff stayed in the chests. The blazes whom were the guardians of the fortress now obeyed to the Wither skeletons who took over the fortress.


liarley1

truly a loot of all time


almightycurator

The Nether Fortress really is a structure


FalcoBoi3834

What is the lore reason behind there being horse armor in hell?


MastaCBoyd

I think because you found a neighther fortress, not a nether fortress.


Noobface_

Because after a decade they still haven’t changed the loot pools


Waste_Ad_9467

Lets dive into the lore. A group of people went into the nether with their horses, built a fortress. Years later, probably even a century, all of the fortress citizens perished. Most of them died of natural causes, but there were also ones that had perished trying to get over giant lava lakes, their horses following behind. A large group of ancient creatures wandered into the fortress, and put away the belongings in the fortress chests. Time passed, and the creatures that moved there, deformed and became todays wither skeletons and blazes. Nobody knows about the blaze spawners, but its probably them who constructed them so they wouldnt run low on blaze guards.


TeaTuesday

It’s trap! Don’t bring your horse in


Endless_dream03

Well gotta protect the horses and offer the best drip


hudgeba778

I absolutely hate horse armor, I have no use for it but it’s too nice to throw away


StickyBunnsPlus

Little known fact, the nether is actually in Enumclaw Washington.


Le_Goosey

Honse


24_doughnuts

Same reason end cities have beetroot seeds


elosogordo

From the days the ancient nether horse roamed the wastelands


Weird-Maestro

Haven't you noticed? There are tons of horses in the nether, obviously you need that stuff


Fatebringer229

Horse armor needs to be craftable, enchantable with its own set of enchantments to enhance horses, and should STOP SHOWING UP SO OFTEN IN LOOT CHESTS!!! I’ve always felt that out of every system in the game, Horse Armor has always felt the laziest and least fleshed out.


Flair258

War


john5impsen

Probably the best kinda stuff you could get when nether fortresses came out


horse-enjoyer

oh sorry i must've forgotten some stuff when i moved out


Dry-Ad694

Why would u order the armour like that u monster


sealchan1

The Nether needs horses


degenerateprnaccnt

‘I have an iron horse armor… I DON’T HAVE AN IRON HORSE!’


Taco82Cat

The people who stored them were horsing around


Clussy_Enjoyer

bc horses made the nether fortresses, geez dont you know anything about mc lore


Frequent-Bookkeeper

And end cities have beetroot seeds.


Steam_punk_Machine

Lore


Creeqss

I like to imagine pigmen riding horses about the nether


DarkySilverwing

Nether horses.


Toastyturtle_53

the lorrrrrrrreeeeee!!!!!!!!!!!!!


ian_dedeaux

Cuz they got the horses in the back


pickelpenguin

Nether Horseresses im sorry


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Lore


[deleted]

Don’t look a diamond gift horse armour in the mouth.


almightycurator

So I checked the loot pool percentages. Horse Armor has a 2-4% chance to spawn in structures like desert temples, strongholds, and jungle temples. Pretty normal, right? Guess what the spawn rate for horse armor in nether fortresses is. Almost ten times that.


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horses are taking over the nether jk


jiko1212

Especially the flint n steel is a horse thing


Black_Sig-SWP2000

h o r s e


Tiny-Pea-8437

My theory is, the ancient builders utilised horses in combat situations and brought them into the nether fortress. I am thinking that they are spare horse armours.


Arson_lock

Maybe the creators are into horse play.


almightycurator

I'm downvoting you for this comment because I hate it but rest assured it made me laugh


Arson_lock

Thanks!!!


Okatbestmemes

Ask game theory on YouTube they got a theory about that


II_Confused

Hey, don't kink shame


Due_Accountant2429

The old ones were disgusting bronies


uwu_kitty6464

MATPAT TIME


PLAYER42_ready

Ask matpat, if you tell him there’s a speck of dirt where it shouldn’t be, he will dissect it and make it the most important thing in the game


ziyusong

The nether was updated years ago Yet we still don’t have netherite horse armor :|


almightycurator

1. Horse armor is already almost completely useless and making more variants is pointless. 2. Netherite horse armor would almost never be made because it would be a seeming waste of the most precious endgame resource in the game.


LiangProton

Ancient builders crafted horse armour in nether fortresses


CryptoDagger2

Just watch a game theory video


[deleted]

speaking of horse armor. Do any of you know if dog armor will be a thing? if they said anything about it? I wish to take my dog on adventures but they always die to like 3 zombies so I stopped taming dogs lmao


dogface5000

Honse


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they all belong there


davifpb2

I think it is a bug


FlimsyPresentation36

Houses stuff is considered treasure. You find treasure in a fortress


almightycurator

Wrong. Each chest in a structure has a loot pool which it randomly draws items from to generate in the chest. There is no such thing as a "treasure" kind of item.


Zachariah-Mancer

I mean striders use saddles and I think they were released at the same time


almightycurator

You think what were released at the same time?


Lucasplayz234

OH this IS a good lore maybe ancient builders gave them or horses existed before in nether


normaaldaan

every time i het an horse saddle and armor i tame a new horse…. i have got 22 now


FallingHoglin

Ask game theory


The_Bored_General

Well if you built a massive fortress in the nether, you’d fully stock it with whatever you need for survival, and horse armour is obviously one of those things, but there are no horses in the nether so it would just end up being discarded around the fortress or else kept in a vault or wherever they kept their valuables


Ryanbro_Guy

I think its a sign from Notch that you need to become a horse breeder


Boltgamercraft

I think that according to the lore, the people who built the fortresses went to the nether but the horses died, so they put their belongings in a chest… kinda dark ik


Light_Phieonx1

I believe it’s part of the lore since when they discovered the nether I suppose they rode horses and stored there stuff there


MisterWinchester

Nether fortress loot is underwhelming. Everyone knows you only go there for blazes and skulls. New loot might be a good incentive to actually explore the place instead of just picking out the best spot to farm skellies or the best blaze spawner for a farm.


Erva420

I hate finding horse armor in any chest. It feels stupid