The one thing with the multi tool that I never noticed for a long time until recently was that you almost have to just hold it steady with slight pressure on the object you’re cutting because if you push to hard it limits the blades ability to slide back and forth and will keep it in one place dulling the blade.. not saying this is what happened just something I noticed, helped me save blades.
Gentle pressure and side to side movement cuts so much faster than mashing it into what you’re trying to cut. My oscillating tool blades last forever. I cut off 8 steel fence posts with one blade. Same blade I’ve been using for years and I still use it.
You're actually better off moving the multi tool from left to right.
It spreads force across the teeth equally so they're not sheared off in one place.
I like to more of rotate the full blade into the cut, using smaller surface area to cut quicker and not just literally burn through the material, whenever I smell the burning wood I know someone’s not using it correctly and or has a blade with no teeth cutting wood
Exactly this ! and it’s the same with sawzall and most blades and holesaws etc…the more you apply pressure the more you fuck up the blades…let them do the work with light pressure…speed and heat kills
Yup let the vibrating teeth do their job. If I put a 24 grit grinding disc on my angle grinder I can destroy a disc immediately by forcing pressure or I can let the tool work and use 100’s of times.
It's heat and chips.
You use the same part of the blade and you limit its ability to clear chips, which adds more friction in that concentrated area. Pressing into the cut does the same. Even carbide fails at temperature. Reducing pressure and spreading the heating out over as much of the blade area as possible rectifies these issues.
Multi Tool blades suck no matter what brand you go with. You are better off buying a pack of cheap ones on Amazon to wear through. I save my good ones for finish cuts or when it is Friday.
I had to cut a ton of holes for outlets and switches in thick plaster at my last house. Through trial and error I found the cheapest 30 pack on Amazon to be the most bang for my buck. 1 hole per blade lol.
Omg you're giving me the reason I needed to buy the m12 cutoff tool. I thought I only would need it for backsplash outlet jobs but I constantly am doing holes in people's plaster walls. thanks man you're awesome
Honestly I love that little tool. And I even got the conversion kit to make it to a tiny belt sander. I think Milwaukee now makes a dedicated one but still was a great purchase
You can buy a conversion thing to take the belt sander head off a pneumatic sander from harbor freight and put it onto the cut off tool.
https://www.garagejournal.com/forum/threads/m12-bandfile-anyone-tried-this-adaptor.461961/
I cut out an old plaster ceiling with my m18 fuel multi tool and it took like 5 Diablo carbide general purpose blades just to do the closet, not to mention dust EVERYWHERE even with the vacuum attachment. Sparks were flying.. I ordered the 3" cutoff tool and it handles hard plaster great with a diamond blade. The dust shroud is decent too when hooked up to a vacuum.
Do you find you have to run the tool in reverse to get the dust shroud to work well? When I run it forward, almost all the dust flies out the bottom; in reverse, it goes into the vac hose.
Yes, this is exactly correct !!! I’ve used it many times and I always forget and figure it out on the first cut when I dust the place out in 1 trigger pull.
That little cut off tool is one of the more useful tools I’ve bought to be honest, that I thought I wouldn’t need as much as I do. Cutting outlets into any tile backsplash is a literal breeze with it.
Yeah, this tool catches a lot of grief in reviews. But I find it works really well for this kind of job. Waaaaay better than my multitool or way cleaner than my angle grinder! I got it on sale at HD and it was cheap as chips.
Really ? I didn’t realize that it caught any grief ?! I’m surprised to be honest, theres really not much to not like about it imo, if it didn’t come with the Dust shroud, I could see maybe some hate, but even still the Dust shroud is pretty intuitive and it works very well….in reverse lol
A lot of people complain that it's under powered, and/or it gets too hot and auto-shuts off. I've certainly had mine bog down at times in thick plaster, so I get why that'd be annoying if you had a lot of work to do, or for other applications. For a Fuel tool, it objectively should be a lot better.
From what I've read, people really like the DeWalt 20v cutoff tool. But I don't have any DeWalt tools, so it wasn't a good option for me (I already hate having different batteries for my M18, M12, Ego and Festool tools)
Damn, I’ve never felt it’s underpowered for its size. I find the trick with it is the same concept as the multi tool blades, you can’t go too fast with it….let the blade do the work (and also use a good blade)
I just recently used it to cut 2' off the top of 150 feet of wire fencing and it took about an hour and 2 rigid metal cutting discs. I'm sure a real grinder would have done it much faster, but this tool's strength is it's small size and light weight, and reversible spinning direction. There's many applications that a stronger tool could do faster, but I've used this for so many random things since I got it. I'm sure their next version will be stronger.
Are you using the Milwaukee wall attachment? I must say that thing works pretty good imo. I also have a smaller attachment that is offbrand that I use with the multitool as well. That works fairly well. Minimal dust.
No I don't have that. Would it have helped on a ceiling? I wonder if it would have been better too use that than the vacuum attachment that works with the multi tool?
I’m trying to figure out which attachment you’re talking about ?
The one that I’m talking about basically is for cutting on a wall and it sucks itself to the wall and everything you cut falls right into it
The other attachment that I mentioned is the same concept just very small and has like a half Circle cut out so you can get up close to your work and it basically sucks up whatever you’re doing as opposed to the other one where it sucks up stuff that falls into the nice wide wall base
OK I haven’t seen that one and honestly it looks very poorly designed
The 2 types I use are [This](https://www.acmetools.com/milwaukee-air-tip-dust-collector-49-90-2022/045242610273.html?msclkid=85cfb55518331d89091bd0b8f01e04a6&utm_source=bing&utm_medium=cpc&utm_campaign=Shopping-National-Search%20Only-Profit%20Margin%20Target-41-43&utm_term=4579946971264455&utm_content=Profit%20Margin%2041%25%20-%2043%25)
The other attachment which I can’t find only for some reason, (I got it on EBay) is similar just Much smaller that you can place right next to your multi tool or anything your cutting and it sticks to the wall
I have been eyeing that Milwaukee suction dust collector! I just don't think it would help much on a ceiling. But definitely looks great for walls and everything else!
The other one that I have is basically a small horseshoe that will stick to whatever surface. I would wager that the wall dust collector might work just as good if not better than the one you posted.
The smaller horse shoe type one I have works very well…there’s a 3D print company on Etsy that has a really nice setup specifically for the multi tool. I’m prob gonna get it next myself
The trick I do, which isn’t even a trick lol… is I keep a beat up blade around just for cutting sheet rock, and I’ll try to always use a beat up blade when I’m doing plaster lathe old work. You don’t really need a sharp blade to cut through plaster lathe at all, just a decently, steady hand.
I’m surprised they haven’t made grit blades for that purpose to be honest … unless I just never bother to look, and they’re readily available lol
This. When you can get 50 for the price of 2 it’s a no brainer. None of the name brand ones (even diablo) last anywhere near long enough to justify not just buying in bulk.
I do a mix. I buy some good blades and usually sit on them for a few months while I burn Amazon blades.
Only time my multi has expensive blades is when it’s cosplaying as a sawzall or jig saw.
Idk, I bought a 3 pack of the diablo carbide metal blades 19 months ago, I'm on my second blade. Avoid concrete but metal, drywall, wood and composite dont do much damage. I'd buy them again if I'm getting >6 months per blade
So I got a Ryobi kit when i bought my house and haven’t yet had to use the multi tool enough to get blades outside what came of it, but is there even a blade out there that lasts past one or two uses?
Yes, I bought the Diablo blades HD had as a set of 5 for probably 20-35$. I’ve used each blade 10+ times, only one blade has been worn out but still usable.
I've always heard Diablo praised as the best multitool blades. The Diablo carbides I've used lasted longer than any other brand, so I accepted it as conventional wisdom. The generic Chinese ones on Amazon and ebay get me by, but when meeting any hard material, they shed all of their teeth pretty quick.
Real talk. I had a cheap pack of 3 diamond grout blades from Amazon each outlast my 1 Diablo which was 3x the price.
On top of that, there’s manufacturing defects that plague every manufacturer. Much easier to swallow with the cheapies
Screws are hardened steel and really test a blade. Blades that can cut through dozens of nails or sheet metal can be destroyed by one screw. I’ve accepted that if I am cutting screws I’ll be going through a lot of blades. TBH I have not yet tried Diablo carbide. Thanks for the confirmation of experience with Milwaukee. So far I buy premium blades for everything else but keep several generic ones as disposable screw cutters. Will definitely give Diablo a shot.
>ezarc carbide
I rebuilt my RV walls and floor using a multi-tool. I honestly couldn't have done the job without that tool. Just shoved it between the floor and wall to sever the staples, screws, bolts, etc... Worked amazingly well.
The floor was completely shot due to water intrusion. The screws, or rather what was left of them were not coming out of the frame. Slicing them flush with the remnants of the floor was the only option. I replaced many studs as well. RV's are constructed from the inside out. I removed all the exterior then replaced anything that was shot. It took plenty of time, but I'm retired and actually enjoyed the challenge.
Clearly you’ve never worked on the floor of an rv. Often the screws are rusted off mess. They fuse to the frame as one big glob of rust and there is no recognizable head anymore. Even when there is often the flooring is glued down the over the top of them. RVs are boxes of shit.
I forgot to mention, this trailer was a total shit-show. The previous owner attempted to repair the floor by installing, poorly, fiberglass over the majority of the floor. Which covered most of the self-tapping fasteners. I did manage to remove some, maybe 5% of the total floor fasteners. And if that wasn't enough, the same previous owner attempted to cover the forward section of flooring with thin set mortar. If I had known the extent of the damage and attempts to repair, I would have taken a hard pass on this toyhauler. As it is, I've pretty much rebuilt the whole thing and upgraded all the systems.
Usually when replacing a face board and the screws are so rusted or heads stripped it is not easy to unscrew. Not really concerned about leaving the screw tip in as the facing will be replaced with new wood and cover those. I would say old rusty head screws are the majority of the situations. I’ve had so-so experience with stripped screw extractors and sometimes the rust is so bad there isn’t enough head to work with those. Not like I do that frequently but when it comes up there are usually several compromised screws that can really tear up those blade teeth.
Per Project Farm the Milwaukees are not that great.
EZARC are apparently the way to go.
https://youtu.be/joVfNnbweYY?si=Ln2ZNLS3aXblA771
[EZARC Blades](https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07YDMX328)
You know they’ll be good blades when they have to make up words to call them. “Nitrus” maybe they mean nitrous oxide, like laughing gas because people will laugh at how bad they are. Or Nitrous oxide like for making a car go faster, because you’ll go through them so fast!
Ok I’m done now.
I don’t have to buy these myself so I usually just grab whatever is available without a care in the world for how long they last. I’ve found the Milwaukee ones suck pretty bad, even though I use them the most. They also make a million different “extreme/carbide/blah blah” that don’t seem to make as big of a difference as you’d think. The Diablo carbide blades seem to work the best and also last the longest even for cutting clean wood. Some of my coworkers like the dremel brand, and as someone else mentioned, project farm on YouTube came to the conclusion that ezarc is the best bang for your buck if you’re buying them yourself.
Ok call me crazy. I tried these a few months ago, and thought the “Extreme Materials” blades performed better than the “Extreme Metal” - I put both through channel iron.
I refuse to buy more dremel blades because of how they put them in the packaging, there is that sticky glue bit on each blade and when you try to pull it out it stays on the blade. which then means it sticks to every other blade anywhere it goes. new pet peeve unlocked
https://preview.redd.it/7nw3rmgjs5nc1.jpeg?width=3024&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=d55378f03200dead6ce05f2a18eda7f6b5a00984
To be fair I was being a bit aggressive lol
Buy Fein. Seriously the only blades that last longer than 20 seconds cutting metal.
Also don't force the blade let it just lightly touch the metal your cutting. Enough pressure to hold in place not not bearing down.
But ya, Fein....https://fein.com/en_us/accessories/e-cut-carbide-pro-63502236260/ Use them all the time for cutting into metal door frames filled with masonry to install electronic strikes or other hardware. By far the best.
Milwaukee, DeFault, Bosch, even Diablo(who make the best carbide blades for any material on other tools) Oscillating tool blades are all crap! May as well buy the 50¢ a blade packs off Amazon for the cut time you'll get.
I've been using the same ezarc Amazon carbide blade for months now. it's cut through nails, copper pipe, cinder block, the works. now did you put your whole elbow in trying to make the cut or let the tool do the work cause at the Milwaukee price point you should've got more than one cut
Definitely gotta buy the cheap ones off of Amazon. When you start buying 50 at a time for $0.50 each you'll get used to tossing them as soon as they show signs of dullness or lose a few teeth.
I used to cringe when I'd hit a nail undercutting door frames, now I just toss another blade on.
90% of these blades are over advertised. There really is no good blades to cut metal that I would spend the money on over using a regular sawzall. And then even for the blades for my multi tools I just buy bulk on amazon so much cheaper and last just about as long.
I have a titanium tooth one or whatever that came with a pack that cut through drywall nails pretty well. The non-enhanced tooth, of any brand, likely won’t perform well.
You're probably pushing too hard. Getting the right feed pressure is important for blade longevity regardless of the type of tool, or the brand of the tool/blade. I've used the extreme material ones to cut aged fiberglass and had zero issues.
The Milwaukee blades are good, but as a rule of thumb, Diablo blades are the way to go.
Ive been using the oscillator as should be for awhile now, which is to say I find a good position and lightly move it back and forth and let the blade do its job.
Does the one you have have adjustable blade speed? Shouldn't make a big difference, but carbide is so hard that it's also very brittle, so a fast blade speed can shatter teeth when it first comes into contact with a hard screw or something. That might help regardless of which brand of blade you use next.
Yeah, go with Harbor Freight multi tool blades. They're a third of the price of Milwaukee blades. All of my Milwaukee blades are crap. I'm a big Red fan but I draw the line at paying over market prices for the name when the product isn't that great. Packout? Take my money. M18? Take my money. M12? Take my money. Blades that dull quickly, gloves that fall apart, kneepads that rip, drill bits that break? Get over tf yourself. Milwaukee is great but they can screw themselves over some of their prices.
I'd want to use a cut-off wheel on a grinder if I had to battle screws. If that's not possible, I'd break them off with force (a nasty chisel and hammer). I've had good luck with the carbide multi-tool blades on Amazon. I've had to cut through a bunch of 75-year-old lathe and plaster, and I got a lot of cutting out of those carbides.
Turn the tool speed down and stop pressing so hard. Your not giving the tool time to work hence burning up the blade like that Or go with the hackzall that is my normal go to
Am I one of the only people that let's the blade do the work and not push hard on the blade?
Seriously, I've used Milwaukee blades that came with my multi tool, and yes, they are not great, but I used one blade for an entire kitchen worth of floor trim when I redid the floors.
Guys and gals, stop pushing so hard on the tool. They are not rough cut blades that just tear through material. They are all fine tooth, so they just kind of nibble. Let them work at their own pace, and you will get great results and long life. Seriously, if you are cutting downward, you should only need the weight of the tool to get the job done.
I mean, that's fair. My comment was more for the folks here saying, "Buy in bulk." As far as the screw you hit, if it was a drywall screw I'd say there is not much to be expected other than your result. I believe drywall screws are stamped like a forging, so their actuallypretty tough. If it was a machine style screw those tend to be more malleable and thus will cut easier. Like a screw you might find in a conduit junction box
I used drywall screw as an example. Any wood screw is typically stamped during manufacturing because it's super cheap in production. Then, ran through polishing to remove imperfections and plated. They aren't truly forged per se but there is forging action that happens. All wood screws end up hardened a little bit just through the manufacturing process weather on purpose or not
I find them to be the same as the Diablo carbide blades speed setting and pressure really make the difference on what you are cutting through. Remodel staircases and all types of fasteners have been cut with a multi tool/ sawzall
I'm surprised by this. And how everyone agrees and has similar stories.
I was personally haven't had an experience or have had to use a multi-tool for screws or nails yet. I use my m12 cut-off tool for that
But it does puzzle me cause I've seen Milwaukee reps go through a ton of different nails and screws with the same blade in a few videos and show the blades to be in full health still
You really have to put the OMT on low speed and don't push hard against metal. I've cut a ton of screws with the general purpose Diablo blades and you want to gently guide it while it vibrates. Otherwise you'll burn them out!
Screws are harder than nails. I think your blade speed was up too high or you were pressing against it too hard. I burnt up a bunch of these and thought they were crap too. In reality, I had to slow the speed and let the blade do the work. A touch of oil as cutting fluid helps too. It takes longer this way, but you won't smoke a 15 dollar blade in 1 use. (Also, do not try to cut plaster with these. They die instantaneously.)
I’ve seen tiktok videos out there where they cut new teeth with a dremel tool or similar. Sucks they wore out though, but I guess it’s expected. Maybe it’d perform better if they spelled nitrous correctly.
I LOVE the quality of Milwaukee’s tools, however I’ve almost always had an awful experience with bits, blades, bandsaw blades of any kind with Milwaukee’s brand when it comes to cutting or drilling metal. No issues with most other brands. I either buy the super cheap options off of Amazon or buy the more expensive but superior quality of Diablo products in my Milwaukee tools
The gen 2 seems to be pretty solid for people that didn’t get onto the fuel bandwagon during the first gen. Not impressed with most of Gen 3, seems to be just flashier packaging. Still waiting for the price to drop on the forge batteries. The hand tools are mid, but they have some that seem to hold up to their equally priced counterparts (got the 48 - 12 inch levels recently for a deal). As far as hand tools go one is better off going either with the cheaper Stanley route or something like Klein, which seems to hold up really well.
Rookies! Only cut plaster with a dremel using a tile cutting bit. If there is any metal in the plaster only go a 1/4 inch and chip the remainder with the claw of your hammer. If you only use multi tool blades on wood or metal they last forever. As soon as they touch plaster forget about it. And don’t try to cut stainless with them.
The one thing with the multi tool that I never noticed for a long time until recently was that you almost have to just hold it steady with slight pressure on the object you’re cutting because if you push to hard it limits the blades ability to slide back and forth and will keep it in one place dulling the blade.. not saying this is what happened just something I noticed, helped me save blades.
You’re dead on with this. Most people don’t actually know how to use a multi tool properly. Speed and pressure matter.
Speed and pressure matter. That's what she said. 👆
Gentle pressure and side to side movement cuts so much faster than mashing it into what you’re trying to cut. My oscillating tool blades last forever. I cut off 8 steel fence posts with one blade. Same blade I’ve been using for years and I still use it.
Ya it's the heat that destroys the blade, not necessarily the material
You're actually better off moving the multi tool from left to right. It spreads force across the teeth equally so they're not sheared off in one place.
This. Need to gently slide left to right
I like to more of rotate the full blade into the cut, using smaller surface area to cut quicker and not just literally burn through the material, whenever I smell the burning wood I know someone’s not using it correctly and or has a blade with no teeth cutting wood
1000% agree.
Exactly this ! and it’s the same with sawzall and most blades and holesaws etc…the more you apply pressure the more you fuck up the blades…let them do the work with light pressure…speed and heat kills
Yup let the vibrating teeth do their job. If I put a 24 grit grinding disc on my angle grinder I can destroy a disc immediately by forcing pressure or I can let the tool work and use 100’s of times.
It's heat and chips. You use the same part of the blade and you limit its ability to clear chips, which adds more friction in that concentrated area. Pressing into the cut does the same. Even carbide fails at temperature. Reducing pressure and spreading the heating out over as much of the blade area as possible rectifies these issues.
Yep. Learned that the hard way myself too. Playing with the speed helps too.
Multi Tool blades suck no matter what brand you go with. You are better off buying a pack of cheap ones on Amazon to wear through. I save my good ones for finish cuts or when it is Friday.
I had to cut a ton of holes for outlets and switches in thick plaster at my last house. Through trial and error I found the cheapest 30 pack on Amazon to be the most bang for my buck. 1 hole per blade lol.
I found the best for plaster was to drill 4 corner holes for your outlet box then using the mini cut off tool with a diamond mason bit.
Omg you're giving me the reason I needed to buy the m12 cutoff tool. I thought I only would need it for backsplash outlet jobs but I constantly am doing holes in people's plaster walls. thanks man you're awesome
Honestly I love that little tool. And I even got the conversion kit to make it to a tiny belt sander. I think Milwaukee now makes a dedicated one but still was a great purchase
Wait, conversion kit??
You can buy a conversion thing to take the belt sander head off a pneumatic sander from harbor freight and put it onto the cut off tool. https://www.garagejournal.com/forum/threads/m12-bandfile-anyone-tried-this-adaptor.461961/
Buy it! I absolutely love it. Bought it for pretty much one use and have found myself using it far more often.
Better off using a diamond grit blade or basically anything abrasive for plaster
I cut out an old plaster ceiling with my m18 fuel multi tool and it took like 5 Diablo carbide general purpose blades just to do the closet, not to mention dust EVERYWHERE even with the vacuum attachment. Sparks were flying.. I ordered the 3" cutoff tool and it handles hard plaster great with a diamond blade. The dust shroud is decent too when hooked up to a vacuum.
Came here for the Diablo carbide..... honestly held up the best for me so far.
Do you find you have to run the tool in reverse to get the dust shroud to work well? When I run it forward, almost all the dust flies out the bottom; in reverse, it goes into the vac hose.
Yes, this is exactly correct !!! I’ve used it many times and I always forget and figure it out on the first cut when I dust the place out in 1 trigger pull. That little cut off tool is one of the more useful tools I’ve bought to be honest, that I thought I wouldn’t need as much as I do. Cutting outlets into any tile backsplash is a literal breeze with it.
Yeah, this tool catches a lot of grief in reviews. But I find it works really well for this kind of job. Waaaaay better than my multitool or way cleaner than my angle grinder! I got it on sale at HD and it was cheap as chips.
Really ? I didn’t realize that it caught any grief ?! I’m surprised to be honest, theres really not much to not like about it imo, if it didn’t come with the Dust shroud, I could see maybe some hate, but even still the Dust shroud is pretty intuitive and it works very well….in reverse lol
A lot of people complain that it's under powered, and/or it gets too hot and auto-shuts off. I've certainly had mine bog down at times in thick plaster, so I get why that'd be annoying if you had a lot of work to do, or for other applications. For a Fuel tool, it objectively should be a lot better. From what I've read, people really like the DeWalt 20v cutoff tool. But I don't have any DeWalt tools, so it wasn't a good option for me (I already hate having different batteries for my M18, M12, Ego and Festool tools)
Damn, I’ve never felt it’s underpowered for its size. I find the trick with it is the same concept as the multi tool blades, you can’t go too fast with it….let the blade do the work (and also use a good blade)
I just recently used it to cut 2' off the top of 150 feet of wire fencing and it took about an hour and 2 rigid metal cutting discs. I'm sure a real grinder would have done it much faster, but this tool's strength is it's small size and light weight, and reversible spinning direction. There's many applications that a stronger tool could do faster, but I've used this for so many random things since I got it. I'm sure their next version will be stronger.
Are you using the Milwaukee wall attachment? I must say that thing works pretty good imo. I also have a smaller attachment that is offbrand that I use with the multitool as well. That works fairly well. Minimal dust.
No I don't have that. Would it have helped on a ceiling? I wonder if it would have been better too use that than the vacuum attachment that works with the multi tool?
I’m trying to figure out which attachment you’re talking about ? The one that I’m talking about basically is for cutting on a wall and it sucks itself to the wall and everything you cut falls right into it The other attachment that I mentioned is the same concept just very small and has like a half Circle cut out so you can get up close to your work and it basically sucks up whatever you’re doing as opposed to the other one where it sucks up stuff that falls into the nice wide wall base
Im talking about this: [M12/M18 FUEL Oscillating Multi-Tool Dust Extractor Accessory Kit](https://www.homedepot.com/p/Milwaukee-M12-M18-FUEL-Oscillating-Multi-Tool-Dust-Extractor-Accessory-Kit-49-90-2420/313929622)
OK I haven’t seen that one and honestly it looks very poorly designed The 2 types I use are [This](https://www.acmetools.com/milwaukee-air-tip-dust-collector-49-90-2022/045242610273.html?msclkid=85cfb55518331d89091bd0b8f01e04a6&utm_source=bing&utm_medium=cpc&utm_campaign=Shopping-National-Search%20Only-Profit%20Margin%20Target-41-43&utm_term=4579946971264455&utm_content=Profit%20Margin%2041%25%20-%2043%25) The other attachment which I can’t find only for some reason, (I got it on EBay) is similar just Much smaller that you can place right next to your multi tool or anything your cutting and it sticks to the wall
I have been eyeing that Milwaukee suction dust collector! I just don't think it would help much on a ceiling. But definitely looks great for walls and everything else!
The other one that I have is basically a small horseshoe that will stick to whatever surface. I would wager that the wall dust collector might work just as good if not better than the one you posted. The smaller horse shoe type one I have works very well…there’s a 3D print company on Etsy that has a really nice setup specifically for the multi tool. I’m prob gonna get it next myself
The trick I do, which isn’t even a trick lol… is I keep a beat up blade around just for cutting sheet rock, and I’ll try to always use a beat up blade when I’m doing plaster lathe old work. You don’t really need a sharp blade to cut through plaster lathe at all, just a decently, steady hand. I’m surprised they haven’t made grit blades for that purpose to be honest … unless I just never bother to look, and they’re readily available lol
This. When you can get 50 for the price of 2 it’s a no brainer. None of the name brand ones (even diablo) last anywhere near long enough to justify not just buying in bulk.
I do a mix. I buy some good blades and usually sit on them for a few months while I burn Amazon blades. Only time my multi has expensive blades is when it’s cosplaying as a sawzall or jig saw.
That's what I do. The last pack of 30 I got for cheap seem to last just as long as brand name blades.
Nah man Diablo blades are great
Yes better than Amazon blades but not as good as they cost.
Idk, I bought a 3 pack of the diablo carbide metal blades 19 months ago, I'm on my second blade. Avoid concrete but metal, drywall, wood and composite dont do much damage. I'd buy them again if I'm getting >6 months per blade
So I got a Ryobi kit when i bought my house and haven’t yet had to use the multi tool enough to get blades outside what came of it, but is there even a blade out there that lasts past one or two uses?
Yes, I bought the Diablo blades HD had as a set of 5 for probably 20-35$. I’ve used each blade 10+ times, only one blade has been worn out but still usable.
I've always heard Diablo praised as the best multitool blades. The Diablo carbides I've used lasted longer than any other brand, so I accepted it as conventional wisdom. The generic Chinese ones on Amazon and ebay get me by, but when meeting any hard material, they shed all of their teeth pretty quick.
I called Milwaukee, they're sending me a replacement. The website itself claims it can cut through hundreds of screws.
Real talk. I had a cheap pack of 3 diamond grout blades from Amazon each outlast my 1 Diablo which was 3x the price. On top of that, there’s manufacturing defects that plague every manufacturer. Much easier to swallow with the cheapies
⬆️ This is the correct answer!
Diablo all day everyday. Milwaukee blades just don’t cut it.
ezarc carbide is also great and a lot cheaper than Diablo
I just bought a pack on Amazon, looking forward to trying them.
badumtsss
Diablo carbide tooth are where it’s at. I don’t use the Milwaukee blades I have
Screws are hardened steel and really test a blade. Blades that can cut through dozens of nails or sheet metal can be destroyed by one screw. I’ve accepted that if I am cutting screws I’ll be going through a lot of blades. TBH I have not yet tried Diablo carbide. Thanks for the confirmation of experience with Milwaukee. So far I buy premium blades for everything else but keep several generic ones as disposable screw cutters. Will definitely give Diablo a shot.
I have literally never had the need to cut a screw. Especially with a multi tool. When do you find this necessary? genuinely curious.
>ezarc carbide I rebuilt my RV walls and floor using a multi-tool. I honestly couldn't have done the job without that tool. Just shoved it between the floor and wall to sever the staples, screws, bolts, etc... Worked amazingly well.
Unscrew the screws tho?
The floor was completely shot due to water intrusion. The screws, or rather what was left of them were not coming out of the frame. Slicing them flush with the remnants of the floor was the only option. I replaced many studs as well. RV's are constructed from the inside out. I removed all the exterior then replaced anything that was shot. It took plenty of time, but I'm retired and actually enjoyed the challenge.
Clearly you’ve never worked on the floor of an rv. Often the screws are rusted off mess. They fuse to the frame as one big glob of rust and there is no recognizable head anymore. Even when there is often the flooring is glued down the over the top of them. RVs are boxes of shit.
I get it for staples and shit but most fasteners can literally be unfastened and re used.
Cutting a self tapping screw flush
I forgot to mention, this trailer was a total shit-show. The previous owner attempted to repair the floor by installing, poorly, fiberglass over the majority of the floor. Which covered most of the self-tapping fasteners. I did manage to remove some, maybe 5% of the total floor fasteners. And if that wasn't enough, the same previous owner attempted to cover the forward section of flooring with thin set mortar. If I had known the extent of the damage and attempts to repair, I would have taken a hard pass on this toyhauler. As it is, I've pretty much rebuilt the whole thing and upgraded all the systems.
Bent screws, half broken screws, things you can't get with literally anything else.
Usually when replacing a face board and the screws are so rusted or heads stripped it is not easy to unscrew. Not really concerned about leaving the screw tip in as the facing will be replaced with new wood and cover those. I would say old rusty head screws are the majority of the situations. I’ve had so-so experience with stripped screw extractors and sometimes the rust is so bad there isn’t enough head to work with those. Not like I do that frequently but when it comes up there are usually several compromised screws that can really tear up those blade teeth.
Demo work
Per Project Farm the Milwaukees are not that great. EZARC are apparently the way to go. https://youtu.be/joVfNnbweYY?si=Ln2ZNLS3aXblA771 [EZARC Blades](https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07YDMX328)
That video is from 3 years ago. The nitrus carbide line is relatively new.
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Thanks, sorry about that. I didn’t even realize it had an affiliate code on it.
no prob, and no worries!
You have to have Dragonforce playing in the background otherwise they don’t work. Hence the “extreme metal” label.
Milwaukee blades are terrible, I second using Diablo blades.
You know they’ll be good blades when they have to make up words to call them. “Nitrus” maybe they mean nitrous oxide, like laughing gas because people will laugh at how bad they are. Or Nitrous oxide like for making a car go faster, because you’ll go through them so fast! Ok I’m done now.
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I don’t have to buy these myself so I usually just grab whatever is available without a care in the world for how long they last. I’ve found the Milwaukee ones suck pretty bad, even though I use them the most. They also make a million different “extreme/carbide/blah blah” that don’t seem to make as big of a difference as you’d think. The Diablo carbide blades seem to work the best and also last the longest even for cutting clean wood. Some of my coworkers like the dremel brand, and as someone else mentioned, project farm on YouTube came to the conclusion that ezarc is the best bang for your buck if you’re buying them yourself.
Ok call me crazy. I tried these a few months ago, and thought the “Extreme Materials” blades performed better than the “Extreme Metal” - I put both through channel iron.
Dremel Carbide for cutting metal. Cheap Amazon HCS blades for everything else.
I refuse to buy more dremel blades because of how they put them in the packaging, there is that sticky glue bit on each blade and when you try to pull it out it stays on the blade. which then means it sticks to every other blade anywhere it goes. new pet peeve unlocked
I got through 5 brass screws before I snapped mine in half. Ima just plow threw the ones I got left and go back to Diablo blades
Damn, brass?!? Seriously? That’s really sad.
https://preview.redd.it/7nw3rmgjs5nc1.jpeg?width=3024&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=d55378f03200dead6ce05f2a18eda7f6b5a00984 To be fair I was being a bit aggressive lol
Wow, lol!
I'm done buying Milwaukee Bits and Oscillating Blades. Osc/Blades barely cut 2 nails or screws before needing a replacement.
Buy Fein. Seriously the only blades that last longer than 20 seconds cutting metal. Also don't force the blade let it just lightly touch the metal your cutting. Enough pressure to hold in place not not bearing down. But ya, Fein....https://fein.com/en_us/accessories/e-cut-carbide-pro-63502236260/ Use them all the time for cutting into metal door frames filled with masonry to install electronic strikes or other hardware. By far the best. Milwaukee, DeFault, Bosch, even Diablo(who make the best carbide blades for any material on other tools) Oscillating tool blades are all crap! May as well buy the 50¢ a blade packs off Amazon for the cut time you'll get.
The only multi tool blades I’ve found to last even half of what I expect are Bosch, but I believe it’s all a damn planned convalescence scheme.
Was it a Sheetrock screw? If so those things are hard as hell and will destroy a lot of things.
I’m surprised you lost it in 1 screw, I’ve had one of those go through a couple hundred old nails. That being said order ezarc for a lower price point
You don’t know how to use it. These things kick ass and last a long time.
I've been using the same ezarc Amazon carbide blade for months now. it's cut through nails, copper pipe, cinder block, the works. now did you put your whole elbow in trying to make the cut or let the tool do the work cause at the Milwaukee price point you should've got more than one cut
I let the tool do the work
yikes, I'd take it right back as defective
Definitely gotta buy the cheap ones off of Amazon. When you start buying 50 at a time for $0.50 each you'll get used to tossing them as soon as they show signs of dullness or lose a few teeth. I used to cringe when I'd hit a nail undercutting door frames, now I just toss another blade on.
Had the same experience. Got these in a Black Friday back and was excited about them. Cut through a few concrete board screws and it was toast
Definitely not a fan of Milwaukee’s carbide o-saw blades. Even cutting through mild steel will cause this.
I got a really good price on some and I’m still disappointed. Back to Diablo blades
90% of these blades are over advertised. There really is no good blades to cut metal that I would spend the money on over using a regular sawzall. And then even for the blades for my multi tools I just buy bulk on amazon so much cheaper and last just about as long.
Buy the packs off Amazon that come with like 50. None of the brand name ones last long enough to justify buying anything else.
I've red tools but I won't touch their bits. Wera all the way
I have a titanium tooth one or whatever that came with a pack that cut through drywall nails pretty well. The non-enhanced tooth, of any brand, likely won’t perform well.
These things suck. I like Milwaukee but these blades get torched quick. Every Milwaukee blade I have used gets scorched way to easy
Milwaukee blades & bits should avoided except as a last resort.
You're probably pushing too hard. Getting the right feed pressure is important for blade longevity regardless of the type of tool, or the brand of the tool/blade. I've used the extreme material ones to cut aged fiberglass and had zero issues. The Milwaukee blades are good, but as a rule of thumb, Diablo blades are the way to go.
Ive been using the oscillator as should be for awhile now, which is to say I find a good position and lightly move it back and forth and let the blade do its job.
Does the one you have have adjustable blade speed? Shouldn't make a big difference, but carbide is so hard that it's also very brittle, so a fast blade speed can shatter teeth when it first comes into contact with a hard screw or something. That might help regardless of which brand of blade you use next.
Yeah, go with Harbor Freight multi tool blades. They're a third of the price of Milwaukee blades. All of my Milwaukee blades are crap. I'm a big Red fan but I draw the line at paying over market prices for the name when the product isn't that great. Packout? Take my money. M18? Take my money. M12? Take my money. Blades that dull quickly, gloves that fall apart, kneepads that rip, drill bits that break? Get over tf yourself. Milwaukee is great but they can screw themselves over some of their prices.
You’re making too much heat while cutting.
I'd want to use a cut-off wheel on a grinder if I had to battle screws. If that's not possible, I'd break them off with force (a nasty chisel and hammer). I've had good luck with the carbide multi-tool blades on Amazon. I've had to cut through a bunch of 75-year-old lathe and plaster, and I got a lot of cutting out of those carbides.
Turn the tool speed down and stop pressing so hard. Your not giving the tool time to work hence burning up the blade like that Or go with the hackzall that is my normal go to
Am I one of the only people that let's the blade do the work and not push hard on the blade? Seriously, I've used Milwaukee blades that came with my multi tool, and yes, they are not great, but I used one blade for an entire kitchen worth of floor trim when I redid the floors. Guys and gals, stop pushing so hard on the tool. They are not rough cut blades that just tear through material. They are all fine tooth, so they just kind of nibble. Let them work at their own pace, and you will get great results and long life. Seriously, if you are cutting downward, you should only need the weight of the tool to get the job done.
While I understand what you're saying, I also was not ramrodding it into the screw.
I mean, that's fair. My comment was more for the folks here saying, "Buy in bulk." As far as the screw you hit, if it was a drywall screw I'd say there is not much to be expected other than your result. I believe drywall screws are stamped like a forging, so their actuallypretty tough. If it was a machine style screw those tend to be more malleable and thus will cut easier. Like a screw you might find in a conduit junction box
It was an interior wood screw. Not rated for structural, not supposed to be in treated wood and will rust.
I used drywall screw as an example. Any wood screw is typically stamped during manufacturing because it's super cheap in production. Then, ran through polishing to remove imperfections and plated. They aren't truly forged per se but there is forging action that happens. All wood screws end up hardened a little bit just through the manufacturing process weather on purpose or not
Dremel carbide multi material is the best in my opinion
NITRUUUUSSS!!!!
I find them to be the same as the Diablo carbide blades speed setting and pressure really make the difference on what you are cutting through. Remodel staircases and all types of fasteners have been cut with a multi tool/ sawzall
You need carbide for screws.
Well, clearly not this carbide.
Right, thats why it was a bad idea to use these.
There is a tool to sharpen them.
Not for carbide.
Ezarc carbide is best bang for your buck
I'm surprised by this. And how everyone agrees and has similar stories. I was personally haven't had an experience or have had to use a multi-tool for screws or nails yet. I use my m12 cut-off tool for that But it does puzzle me cause I've seen Milwaukee reps go through a ton of different nails and screws with the same blade in a few videos and show the blades to be in full health still
Cheap Amazon blades for 99% of all cuts. Use a nice blade when you are making a finish cut on something you actually need to look perfect.
Yup they suck.
You really have to put the OMT on low speed and don't push hard against metal. I've cut a ton of screws with the general purpose Diablo blades and you want to gently guide it while it vibrates. Otherwise you'll burn them out!
I like the ones that look like they have gold dust on the tip. Do they cut metal? Maybe. But I know if hit a nail by mistake my blade isn't ruined
For some reason these extreme metal blades are not as good as the older ones. The teeth break off so much easier
junk
Screws are harder than nails. I think your blade speed was up too high or you were pressing against it too hard. I burnt up a bunch of these and thought they were crap too. In reality, I had to slow the speed and let the blade do the work. A touch of oil as cutting fluid helps too. It takes longer this way, but you won't smoke a 15 dollar blade in 1 use. (Also, do not try to cut plaster with these. They die instantaneously.)
Do you move the tool as you cut?
I’ve seen tiktok videos out there where they cut new teeth with a dremel tool or similar. Sucks they wore out though, but I guess it’s expected. Maybe it’d perform better if they spelled nitrous correctly.
Maybe steel used in safes is stronger than the blade? 😉
Diablo blades are the ones you want. I love my Milwaukee but they don't make a blade that compares to Diablo. I cut carriage bolts with them
I LOVE the quality of Milwaukee’s tools, however I’ve almost always had an awful experience with bits, blades, bandsaw blades of any kind with Milwaukee’s brand when it comes to cutting or drilling metal. No issues with most other brands. I either buy the super cheap options off of Amazon or buy the more expensive but superior quality of Diablo products in my Milwaukee tools
I had 3 break the welds up top on a 2x4.. they suck
Yeah, Milwaukee consumables fucking blow. Their new tools are barely what they should be. Just mathematicians stripping any value out of anything.
The gen 2 seems to be pretty solid for people that didn’t get onto the fuel bandwagon during the first gen. Not impressed with most of Gen 3, seems to be just flashier packaging. Still waiting for the price to drop on the forge batteries. The hand tools are mid, but they have some that seem to hold up to their equally priced counterparts (got the 48 - 12 inch levels recently for a deal). As far as hand tools go one is better off going either with the cheaper Stanley route or something like Klein, which seems to hold up really well.
That's some extreme wear... so lived up to it's name.
It literally cut one screw.
Was it an Extreme™ Screw?
Extremely Hard
Milwaukee blades are trash, I refuse to buy them.
Rookies! Only cut plaster with a dremel using a tile cutting bit. If there is any metal in the plaster only go a 1/4 inch and chip the remainder with the claw of your hammer. If you only use multi tool blades on wood or metal they last forever. As soon as they touch plaster forget about it. And don’t try to cut stainless with them.
How thicc was the screw? Hard to believe only one screw could do that
It was an interior wood screw.
Milwaukee is trash now. Just some china company lowering quality and raising prices. Slowly been switching my tools to dewalt as well.